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12:55 AM
@GrahamChiu It was done by Philippe Le Goff, but I can't find it anymore on his blog. You could try asking on the french Rebol forum.
 
1:34 AM
Does this chat parser object to ; at the end of a link; ?
@RebolBot show links like reb4.me
 
make error! [
code: 513
type: 'Access
id: 'Protocol
arg1: "Server error: HTTP/1.1 500 Internal Server Error"
arg2: none
arg3: none
near: none
where: none
]
 
@RebolBot show links like reb4.me
 
@rebolbot show links like reb4.me
 
1:45 AM
@RebolBot show links like reb4.me/cc
 
@RebolBot show links like reb4.me/cc
 
2:21 AM
@rebolbot help
 
I respond to these commands:
do expression "evaluates Rebol expression in a sandboxed interpreter (/x)"
help "this help (/? and /h)"
keys "returns known keys (/k)"
save my details url! "saves your details with url"
show links [ like url ] "shows saved links"
show me your youtube videos "shows saved youtube videos"
who is user "returns user details and page"
whom do you know "returns a list of all known users"
? key [ for user | @user ] "Returns link and description"
version "version of bot (/v)"
 
ok, I think I have fixed those anomalies now
off to chop wood
 
 
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3:41 AM
@RebolBot bot-source
 
@Adrian Sorry, don't understand what you said to me
 
@RebolBot /k
 
@Adrian I know the following keys: About Aggregator AltJSON AltXML BadMoney bot-source chatmod CodeBlocks Colouriser crockford Devcon droid FAQ HaikuOS help introduction PowerMezz R2/Forward Red Red-lang Saphir Snowball tutorial xmlflawed
 
@rebolbot ? bot-source
 
3:52 AM
@Adrian I changed it so that it interprets everything as dialect, and keywords are prefaced now by ? in the dialect
 
4:23 AM
Perhaps what I should do is if it fails to parse then see if a keyword exists
@RebolBot about for Adrian
 
@GrahamChiu About Rebol (and Red) @Adrian
 
Should start to break down the parse rules instead of having one humongous parse rule
 
 
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5:40 AM
KK has written a great Rebol blog post based on my idea of going through that "8 regular expressions you should know" page
 
6:00 AM
@HostileFork url ?
 
@GrahamChiu He says it is not ready yet, but I'm sure he'll share more publicly soon. :-)
 
is it an expansion of the blog he wrote before?
which I think I read
 
@GrahamChiu Perhaps... I don't recall.
 
Have you been getting a life? Haven't see you around for a couple of days
 
@GrahamChiu Sort of. Doing a little bit of interim mending of fences with a girl who has now pledged to learn Rebol. So we should have a new member of the room shortly.
 
6:06 AM
Where have all the old new ones gone?
 
@GrahamChiu The younger ones aren't going to have Friday and Saturday nights free
 
@HostileFork That's going beyond the call of duty!
 
@GrahamChiu Yeah, well, I work hard to promote the room. Oh, you meant her. :-)
 
@HostileFork yep
 
KK.
6:21 AM
@GrahamChiu yes, the post I am writing is an expansion of the one you previously saw. Not sure of its greatness, fork is too good to say anything bad.
@GrahamChiu can you share your webpage? synapsedirect.com gives a 410 error.
 
well, we just have a bbs on it ... synapse-ehr.com/community
 
6:40 AM
@KK. Used to use synapsedirect.com but gave that up ...
 
@RebolBot save revolution? "Is Rebol actually a Revolution?" hostilefork.com/2008/09/08/is-rebol-actually-a-revolution
 
@HostileFork added key: revolution?
 
uh oh
@rebolbot revolution?
 
room topic changed to Rebol (and Red): Is Rebol actually a Revolution? rebolsource.net/go/chat-faq [dialect] [interpreter] [json] [lisp] [rebol] [rebol3]
 
6:42 AM
some of my bot code removes trailing ?s
 
Nice to shake up the room tagline now and again. Might appeal to different audiences.
 
@KK. >> tuple brianH.brianD.brianWho ; More brians than you'll need :-)
 
@KK. Heya KK! So one thing about the article, which I kind of want to understand better, is why you have been so interested in testing (what amounts to) UNSET! values... it's good to know how, but I don't know if it lines up with the rest of what you're writing about. Also when you say that tuple Brian... line, you are missing the question mark on tuple? so you may not be getting the error you think you are...
 
we think it's a typo
 
6:45 AM
But more generally, look at this...
@RebolBot do foo: func [] [return #[unset!]] foo
 
; Brought to you by: tryrebol.esperconsultancy.nl
; rebol.com/r3/docs/errors/script-no-value.html
>> foo: func  return  foo
*** ERROR
** Script error: foo has no value
** Where:
** Near: try to-block load join %/users/try-REBOL/data/ system/script...
 
@RebolBot /x foo: func [] [return #[unset!]] foo
 
; Brought to you by: tryrebol.esperconsultancy.nl
>> foo: func [] [return #[unset!]] foo
 
KK.
@HostileFork @GrahamChiu corrected the tuple -/? thing. Btw, I hope fork and @BrianH don't mind it.
 
@HostileFork change .. there's now a 'do keyword
 
6:49 AM
@KK. I think it's fun to have in-jokes, it makes a community more interesting.
 
@RebolBot do print system/version
 
KK.
@HostileFork ok. good for me then :-)
 
@GrahamChiu Still big on my feature request list is to figure out how to say "RebolBot delete last evaluation"
@KK. BrianH and I have a sense of humor.
It runs in the family. :-P
 
@HostileFork Must be Chinese then .. where family names come first
 
"What do Ted Turner, and Tina Turner, have in common?" "Give up?" "That's right...they both have the same last name."
 
6:51 AM
And the same initials as chris' webservice /tt
 
"What do Oprah Winfrey, Michael Jackson, and George Clooney have in common?" "Give up?" "That's right... they're all famous celebrities!"
 
So, you could reply to a bot message and send a delete command
I'd have to trace it to see what the browser does ...
since there's no published API
@HostileFork wrong tense!
 
@GrahamChiu Michael Jackson is still alive. But of course you know not to use wireshark for that sort of thing, use the in-browser debugging tools of Chrome for request/response monitoring or Firebug or whatever...
 
chrome?
 
@GrahamChiu Yeah, little drop down menu on the far right of the toolbar has [Tools->Developer Tools] It's awesome.
 
7:05 AM
I stopped Chrome over a year ago. It doesn't handle memory very well in my experience and after a while my windows clipboard would stop working in Rebol!
 
Basically like Firebug.
Well, try it again, it's nice.
Then again, my computer is so fast I don't think much about it. I throw down 64 bit linux VMs with memory snapshots and bring them back up in moments. You'd be surprised what RAID0 6G SSDs can do on modern hardware.
 
Found the call anyway
POST /messages/8034726/delete HTTP/1.1
 
@GrahamChiu Replying does seem like the best. You reply and say delete. It's up to you to delete the delete request.
 
I can look at the parent_id and then delete
 
Chrome is part of my people's alien invasion plan. So don't declare it the enemy. Highly semiotic.
 
7:13 AM
well .. I put up with chrome for a few years but it's gone now
 
Even Scott McCloud got involved with it, of "Understanding Comics" fame, if you will recall.
@GrahamChiu Well, different strokes for different folks, but still, it's the browser I use and I get frustrated with all the others. Until we have a Rebol browser it's what I'm sticking with.
Google already knows everything about me, so I better trust them (mostly).
 
I don't do much web development so rarely need to use things like firebug
 
One of the hardest core AI researching guys I know, who wore a USB key around his neck of his important files, shocked me when I asked him about his opinion on privacy with Google... and he said... "Don't care."
I was like "What? You... of all people... with the USB key around your neck, I'd think you would care!"
He said: "I don't search for anything on Google that I care if people I knew I was searching for it. Therefore, if they use the information to advertise to me better, it connects the consumer to the appropriate market."
In any case, I find Chrome to be far and away the best browser of the moment. This situation may change.
Because it's constantly changing, but I sort of have a visceral reaction to the logo and such, it's like being able to read writing on the wall. If you look at the chromium logo, it's like they made a fractal of the inner blue core, which nests into the greater logo system:
If we discern design through any meaningful semiotic means, I would say that I side with Chrome.
Firefox just looks random. Like you are setting the earth on fire. With a fox. I dunno, it's like calling Tuna "Chicken of the Sea". Or canned bananas "Turkey of the Jungle". Or aspirin "Chicken of the Medicine Cabinet".
 
Actually looking at the chrome logo .. it could do for red
 
And I would be remiss to not mention the ever-present annoying purple target logo in the meaningless Rebol R, and Taylor Swift's "Red". Available only at Target.
They're actually making Radio Free Albemuth, which is interesting, it's kind of an indie low budget affair. Wonder if it will be any good?
So many PKD adaptations suck. Matt Damon got on Obama's case for his political progress, and so Obama had a zinger: "Recently Matt Damon has criticized my performance. Well, I just saw the Adjustment Bureau. Right back at ya, buddy." :-P
I like the tower of hanoi. With the red squareish prisms. Doc seems to like it too. I said I'd pitch in $400 for someone with talent to make it look better... if anyone has a better idea, start sketching it up.
I really, really don't think anyone's going to beat my Rebol logo idea. Sometimes you look at something and go "that's it".
The Red one, well, I feel good about it, not quite as certain, but fairly certain.
Why squares not circular ones? Usually tower of hanoi puzzles are circular, in part because you don't have jagged orientations. But that's what I like about this variant, it suggests precision, you can't just slap it on any-old-way. You have to align things.
It's less of a cliche, I guess.
 
7:33 AM
@RebolBot /v
 
@Adrian 0.0.11
 
@RebolBot version
 
@GrahamChiu 0.0.11
 
8:03 AM
@RebolBot version
 
@GrahamChiu 0.0.11
 
8:15 AM
@RebolBot version
@RebolBot delete
 
@GrahamChiu Awwwwesome!
 
well, that worked .. rebolbot deleted its last message :)
anyone can delete rebolbot's messages
needs a little testing of course ..
 
GitHub's still on 0.0.7
 
@GrahamChiu Only person who posted the eval request, IMO. Does RebolBot know who room owners are, though?
 
@HostileFork why? rebolbot can just eval again
 
8:20 AM
Any room owner should be able to say "rebolbot delete" for anything.
 
@HostileFork that is what it is like now
No restriction on who can issue the delete request
 
@GrahamChiu But if not room owner, you can only issue delete requests for something you asked for.
 
Except it's not just room owners since rebolbot doesn't know who they are
 
@GrahamChiu Well RebolBot can scrape the room info for that on a schedule, or just be told in a hardcoded list.
 
@HostileFork that would involve too much tracking
 
8:22 AM
I don't mind hardcoding.
 
I'll see how it goes ... as it is
 
Hrrrm. Well, I think RebolBot should know who's who
That's how it is on ye olde IRC
 
@Adrian yeah .. lot's of ugly debugging code inside still
 
And go by user ID, not name, this place allows multiple people to have the same name. :-/
 
@HostileFork What??
 
8:25 AM
@GrahamChiu Joe Blow can log on, and make an ID that says "Graham Chiu" or "HostileFork". It's a rendering of an underlying ID #, only the ID # is unique.
 
gawd ..
 
@GrahamChiu So don't track by string, track by ID.
 
so what if there are two rebolbots in the room?
@rebolbot do you know if a message is intended for you?
 
@GrahamChiu you has no value. Ouch.
 
@RebolBot delete
@RebolBot who the dickens is hostilefork?
 
8:29 AM
@GrahamChiu I know this about hostilefork
 
I can't see how one knows if a message is intended for you except by username
 
@RebolBot who blah blah 1020 x 0304 GrahamChiu?
 
@HostileFork sorry "who" is not in my current repertoire. Try /h for help
 
looking at the JSON anyway
anyway this comes from not knowing how the api works :(
@HostileFork how hard do you think it would be to do a GUI in QT with R3 ?
 
@RebolBot save fiendish! "Your knowledge of scientific biological transmogrifications is only outmatched by your zest for Rebol Treachery!" youtube.com/watch?v=BuFL8Le1Pqk
@GrahamChiu Well, hostkit kind of sucks right now. I mean, it never got the design review it needed.
 
8:35 AM
@HostileFork added key: fiendish!
 
@RebolBot show me your youtube videos
 
hmm
@RebolBot show me all links
 
You censoring me? :-) Black Dynamite was quite well received by critics... I'll have you know.
 
8:37 AM
@RebolBot keys
 
@GrahamChiu I know the following keys: About Aggregator AltJSON AltXML BadMoney bot-source chatmod CodeBlocks Colouriser crockford Devcon droid FAQ fiendish! HaikuOS help introduction PowerMezz R2/Forward Red Red-lang revolution? Saphir Snowball tutorial xmlflawed
 
hey
 
Just wondering why it's not showing
 
I should be you @HostileFork
hmm
 
@RebolBot fiendish!
 
8:38 AM
My nefariousness has been thwarted.
 
@Adrian Can't change your handle?
 
BTW, if you change your name to, say, RebolBot as a prank, SO will only let you change it back after a month. Beware of being trapped as a bot until the next full moon....
 
Well, I did it on the SO profile, but it looks like it doesn't want to propagate here.
 
@RebolBot show me links like youtube.com
 
well that's seriously screwed
 
changed back - don't want to mess things up
 
this script is getting unmaintainable!
 
heh - maybe the bot's getting really AI and is starting to mess around with your head
 
becoming non-deterministic
 
8:47 AM
Trully intelligent
hello @user2098587! Are you related to @user2098589?
You have similarly kaleidoscopic avatars. Haven't seen many of those.
Seriously, though - if you've come to stay, we have just the fork for you.
@HostileFork, customer!
 
@user2098587 As I so oft remind people, the 20 points to chat limit is not our policy, it's a StackOverflow policy. You have to ask some questions, or answer some questions, to talk to us. see our FAQ Sorry about that. It's the rules, and they aren't really budging.
 
 
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10:22 AM
Looks like SO throttles the rate at which messages can be posted
@RebolBot show me all your youtube videos
 
So, I've added a 2 second wait between posts
@RebolBot show me all links
 
As I understand it, throttling is relaxed as the users rep count increased. That's an thematic extension to the 0rep=nochat rule......Maybe RebolBot needs to go out there and start answering questions to ramp up its profile :)
 
@Sunanda Perhaps then you could ask some simple questions for the simple minded bot?
 
 
2 hours later…
12:00 PM
@GrahamChiu :) I think the SO ethic is to ask questions for info rather than to help the rise of the machines.
 
 
2 hours later…
KK.
1:55 PM
How do I know how many 'elements' are in a tuple?
For example, how to find out that t3 has 3 and t4 has 4 elements ?
>> t3: 1.4.1
== 1.4.1
>> t4: 1.2.3.4
== 1.2.3.4
 
length? 1.4.1
 
KK.
@pekr Thanks!
Just popping here is so easier than googling etc., though its not the best habit :-)
 
you can also use accessor functions:
>> t3: 1.4.1
== 1.4.1
>> first t3
== 1
>> t3/1
== 1
 
KK.
@pekr what is your full name? And if I have to have a single url for you, what should it be?
 
petr krenzelok. What URL do you have in mind?
 
KK.
2:02 PM
I mean, personal website. If you have any, like hostilefork.com for fork
 
I don't have any yet. Facebook page, and my second company one xidys.com, or my project, 2zone.cz
 
KK.
Ok. I am going with 2zone.ca because of the dog.
 
:-)
 
KK.
@TomBon Hello.
So, you cannot chat as of now. You will able to chat if you ask or answer a few questions on stackoverflow.
Btw, rebol is a great, open source language.
For a brief introduction, see recoding.blogspot.in/2013/02/…
 
ah, thanks for the mention, and thanks for the possitive blog about REBOL :-)
 
KK.
2:08 PM
@pekr No, thanks for being here :-)
@TomBon When you are able to chat, people in this room will take the initiative and talk to you themselves. Its Sunday morning in North America, so I suppose people like @HostileFork are not up yet :-)
@TomBon its written by our very own @somekittens
Gotta leave :-) Bye.
 
 
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3:13 PM
I'm in California (earliest time zone in the continental US) and I've been up since 6am. ;-)
Working on Rebol projects, of course.
 
California is earliest TZ in US?
 
3:30 PM
Along with Oregon, Washington, Nevada and Arizona. :-) Of course, Alaska and Hawaii are earlier, but they are not connected to the rest of the country.
 
3:55 PM
Welcome @user2098587, sorry about the StackOverflow Chat requirement of having 20 rep before being allowed to talk. See our FAQ for ways of how to obtain those points. We'll be happy to help with most kinds of questions & answers on SO.
Hello to you too, @mmcghan. I guess this room already got pitched to you by @HostileFork, so I'll spare you our usual welcome ritual :) For all things Rebol, just fire away!
 
Mornin' @earl!
 
@earl Hi Earl, just lurking while I read through some tutorials, trying to figure out where to start.
 
@Respectech Hey Bo!
 
KK.
@Respectech @earl @mmcghan hello
@Respectech How can california be the earliest time zone? Shouldn't it be the Atlantic Coast area?
Not american, and no idea about time zones, btw :-)
 
@KK. Hi KK, I've heard good things about your subtitling work on the talk. Technically, Hawaii is the earliest U.S. time zone. California is two hours later than Hawaii.
 
KK.
4:10 PM
@mmcghan Thanks. Rebol people are too good. They make your small contributions seem like a big deal. I think I was thinking it wrong, latest instead of earliest etc.
@Respectech @mmcghan Thankfully we have a single time zone in India. No confusions :-)
 
4:40 PM
posted on March 03, 2013 by Ladislav

[Comment] Clipboard needs some fixes that have been submitted as a pull request but not yet processed by Carl.

 
5:31 PM
0
A: How well does Rebol scale in an FCGI setup?

moliadIts hard to answer any performance issues when we have no idea what script you are trying to run. :-) some of the questions which follow, might seem dumb, but I really don't know much about the context in which you are trying out Rebol CGI. 4-5 request/second is not normal for a CGI app runni...

 
 
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6:53 PM
Everyone lurking this morning?
@RebolBot hello
 
@GrahamChiu hello to you too
 
posted on March 03, 2013 by maxim

[Comment] YAY! let's make a fire and dance around it ... this is a joyous event... the death of abysmal R2 'FUNCTION . Though even in R2, I haven't used FUNC for about 2 years. I've been using a modified version of FUNCT and it makes ALL code much better. I know I'm not in the mainstream, but I'd go even further and say that FUNC should be local by default (in fact, FUNC is the one we shoul

 
@GrahamChiu I've been sick all morning, only now feeling better... and back to work.
 
@Feeds wow I didn't realize my comment on CC would end up here a few minutes later!
 
Welcome to @mmcghan , thanks for joining. :-)
 
7:03 PM
@HostileFork I suspect you twisted her arm to join here :)
 
you see Fork, I agree often with you... I have been building "large" apps with R2 for a decade, and I think this is why we share a few common ideas to how it should evolve... so I really think we need to see you at the ReCon in Mtl :-)
 
@GrahamChiu Me? Twist arms? No, I'm not really a high-pressure sort of guy...
 
@moliad Where's the web page for this?
@HostileFork Hmm.. but you said your blood pressure was high ...
 
@moliad Rebol does have to have a bit of polishing to really take off and appeal to the kind of people who evaluate the use of languages when they're setting out to build large systems, but it has been undersold in the just general swiss army knife category...it's time to kill awk, sed, perl, curl, and everything else in that category.
 
@HostileFork time to ... but difficult
 
7:09 PM
@GrahamChiu Less difficult if the kids are getting excited and start picking up the evangelism work and adapting it to help with the apples to apples comparisons I've been urging for so long.
 
@HostileFork cURL does some things a lot easier than in Rebol
 
@GrahamChiu you mean web page for the ReCon?
 
@moliad yes ...
 
@GrahamChiu I'm not really overfly familiar with it, but never seen it used in a way that I thought was that interesting. What's an example?
 
@HostileFork for a start we don't have https
It also can handle cookies automatically I think
ie. saves them to a file
Our current http scheme doesn't handle cookies or redirection
 
7:14 PM
Well, barring the unimplemented things we need to do anyway.
What does it do that Rebol won't do better, in a short time?
 
I only used cURL about 10 years ago .. don't recall much apart from that
I had to use Rebol to try and scrape hotmail webmail and used cURL to trace all the cookies
My pop proxy spam cleanser written in 2002
 
Hello @DesmondHume... welcome to our little programming cult's discussion forum. :-) How's your Sunday?
@GrahamChiu Nifty...
 
@HostileFork A few years later gmail arrived .. so was no longer needed
 
I've really not had experience with "practical" Rebol programming like that, a lot of thought-experiments for the most part, but I did write that LiveJournal scraper. And the cookies and such were hard to figure out. It's like no one ever documented quite how to do it.
I figured it out eventually but yeah, that stuff needs to be improved, especially the documentation.
 
7:31 PM
@GrahamChiu I will be building it up during the week, it will probably go live next week. for now, we have already passed the test to know if we will be hosting a ReCon, now its time to organize and promote it. So the real work starts.
 
@moliad ReMark ?
 
@GrahamChiu probably yes. Its a perfect small project to finish the initial design of the ReForm Technology, build over Remark v2 which is already very capable.
 
"A helpful UNIX command to know is 'rm'. It's what you use when a file is really important, and you want the computer to ReMember it."
 
posted on March 03, 2013 by BrianH

[Comment] As we discussed before Maxim, your FUNCL makes it impossible to define functions that themselves have an /external option or local variable. If you used external: instead that would solve that problem, and it wouldn't matter that it's not a refinement because the external words would need to be removed from the function spec. If you like I can write up a proposal for the change. We'd

 
@RebolBot delete
@rebolbot what is the time now?
 
7:42 PM
@GrahamChiu Mon, 4 Mar 2013 08:42:03 +1300
 
7:58 PM
Heya @SomeKittens
 
Hey!
 
Slow Sunday so far :-)
 
Haven't seen you around recently. Have I just been on at the wrong times?
 
@moliad if you want me to write up a proposal for what I said above, I can do it right after I run an errand.
 
@SomeKittens I've been handling some "real world" stuff, but I'm back now for a bit, I hope.
 
8:02 PM
@KK. Thanks for the ref!
@HostileFork Ugh, the real world. I avoid it whenever possible.
 
Messing with CyanogenMod on an old original Motorola Droid. It works surprisingly well.
 
Haven't done much with that area. What does Cyanogen get you?
 
@SomeKittens Well if you have a carrier locked device that had its last update to the OS several years ago, you get a non-bricked phone.
 
I use it on a Galaxy S (the Captivate variant), and there it also works surprisingly well. Especially since I had gotten used to Android really being terrible.
 
But some other niceties.
 
8:05 PM
@BrianH In what way is Android terrible for you?
I don't have a smart phone yet .. waiting for LG to bring out their first webOS phone :)
 
@GrahamChiu Well, it was unstable and most of the apps were badly designed, and also bad implementations of their designs. I thought it was great at first, but even the slightest exposure to Windows Phone makes you feel dumb for ever having thought so. CyanogenMod brings you later versions of Android where they made it suck less, and without the manufacturer addons that made things even worse. It makes Android tolerable.
 
As with Sprint: "Why is there a Nascar app on my Evo 4g, why does it need access to my contacts and call history, and why can't I uninstall it or keep it from running in the background?" Bleah. No thank you. These companies are cancers.
 
heh .. has anyone expressed an interest for R3 on Windows phone??
 
@BrianH why not, I'll see if I like it, if you've got the time.
 
My college wants full access to everything, including the ability to remotely wipe the entire phone without warning, to sync email
 
8:14 PM
@SomeKittens eh? Wipe your phone?
 
in terms of stupid permissions for apps.
I have to agree to all that in order to check my college email address in something other than their awful mobile site.
Not that I have a smartphone, just an old Droid Incredible that isn't hooked up to Verizon. I just use it like an iTouch.
 
@SomeKittens do they also have an app that turns on your camera and monitors your activity?
 
Eventually people might learn their lesson and fight this stuff. I don't know. But I know enough to not hold my breath. C'mon Singularity...clock's ticking!
 
@GrahamChiu That would require them to know how to build said app, so no.
 
@SomeKittens Just setup a mail forwarder
 
8:18 PM
Aesthetic question: How do people feel, in general, about having a refinement that alters the return value from a single result to a block for multiple return values...when that value is always calculated anyway? Is it better to have the variance in results, or just always return a block of two items?
@SomeKittens have you seen SET? It's how we do multiple return values.
@RebolBot /x foo: func [] [return [1 2]] set [a b] foo print a print b
 
; Brought to you by: tryrebol.esperconsultancy.nl
>> foo: func [] [return [1 2]] set [a b] foo print a print b
1
2
 
@HostileFork Good way to make functional purists puke. I think that the optional refinement would be a good idea.
Depends on if Rebol 3 wants to be Python (One way to do everything) or Perl (Many means to an end)
 
@SomeKittens The other way of doing things is to make it so the refinement has you pass in a word to set. DO/NEXT was changed to be this way.
@RebolBot /x print do/next [1 + 2 print "Hello"] 'rest
probe rest
 
; Brought to you by: tryrebol.esperconsultancy.nl
>> print do/next [1 + 2 print "Hello"] 'rest   probe rest
3
[print "Hello"]
== [print "Hello"]
 
@SomeKittens DO/NEXT is very useful in creating your dialects, because you get to leverage the interpreter's existing logic of being able to figure out how many symbols to consume to get a single full expression evaluated...without reinventing that wheel yourself.
Anyway, passing in a WORD! argument to set is another way to "return additional values from a function"
The change in DO/NEXT from R2 seems to suggest that the uniformity of return value is good to keep. If something ever returns multiple values in a block, it probably always should.
 
8:35 PM
@HostileFork Rebolbot - can use 'do instead of '/x
 
@GrahamChiu It didn't work the last time I tried it...
Hi @dt2, how did that adding a native thing pan out? :-)
 
@RebolBot do print do/next [1 + 2 print "Hello"] 'rest probe rest
 
; Brought to you by: tryrebol.esperconsultancy.nl
; rebol.com/r3/docs/errors/script-no-value.html
>> print do/next 1 + 2 print Hello 'rest probe rest
*** ERROR
** Script error: Hello has no value
** Where:
** Near: try to-block load join %/users/try-REBOL/data/ system/script...
 
hmm
bug
I must be forming the argument which removes the blocks and quotes
 
@rgchris altjson for R3 seems to rely on to-idate for dates. Do you have that ready for R3 as well?
 
8:48 PM
 
@GrahamChiu Assimilated, thanks!
 
@RebolBot do to-idate now
 
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>> to-idate now
*** ERROR
** Script error: to-idate has no value
** Where:
** Near: try to-block load join %/users/try-REBOL/data/ system/script...
 
so not in core yet
 
to-idate and to-itime from R2 work with Rš well.
 
9:08 PM
mental block .. how to turn [ print "hello" ] into {print "hello"} ?
 
@GrahamChiu mold/only?
 
looks good :)
@RebolBot do print do/next [1 + 2 print "Hello"] 'rest probe rest
 
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>> print do/next [1 + 2 print "Hello"] 'rest probe rest
3
[print "Hello"]
== [print "Hello"]
 
@rebolbot do print do/next [1 + 2 print "Hello"]
'rest
probe
rest
 
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>> print do/next [1 + 2 print "Hello"] 'rest probe rest
3
[print "Hello"]
== [print "Hello"]
 
9:18 PM
@HostileFork it's pretty common in Rebol, and not a bad thing. There are a lot of tricks that dynamic languages do pretty regularly that make functional language purists puke, especially if they come from languages with insufficiently powerful type systems.
 
@earl There's also to-fussy-idate which may conform to the standards a little closer. A quick test suggests it's happy to run as R3. rebol.org/view-script.r?script=to-fussy-idate.r
 
@HostileFork the change in R3's DO/next from R2 was done for efficiency and because it cleaned up the semantic model a little. I'm going to do the same for TRANSCODE, for the same reasons They're both low-level functions. However, there is no problem with having the structure of the return value change if it is a function option that prompts the change. That puts it under caller control, and thus an expected change.
 
@Sunanda Thanks, looks good.
 
@GrahamChiu I have been looking into it - I have the interest. For WP7 you would have to have a pure .NET implementation of a Rebol-like language that is integrated into the system. I say "a Rebol-like language" because neither Rebol nor Red has the right model. For WP8+ you can write native code, so something like Rebol could work there. I suppose Red too, but it might have to switch its Red/System backend for a C or C++ backend due to the constraints on that platform.
In many ways WP8, Windows 7 Metro, and Google Native Client have similar constraints.
 
9:35 PM
Hello @graph...
Hi @JustShrey, welcome to our little programming cult. :-) Rebol is a fun language, we're happy to discuss it.
 
Hello HostileFork
you know what's better than Rebol?
Scrubs!
 
@SomeKittens you missed something. Python has one bad way to do each thing. Perl has multiple bad ways to do each thing and occasionally one or two good but ugly-looking ways as well. For Rebol, we sometimes have multiple ways to do something and sometimes we only have one way, but it always depends on which is the right approach.
 
@graph The television show? Hm. I don't know if that's a fair comparison. But maybe there needs to be a Rebol TV sitcom. Might help publicity.
We've certainly got some characters here. :-)
 
yea kinda watching that right now, while feeling a little exhausted from my normal programming.
Also hm interesting how all kinds of random letter combinations end up as names for languages, libraries etc., so you couldn't 100% sure Scrubs wasn't some kind of "thing" other than the tv show
 
@graph Yup, I looked it up. :-)
 
9:47 PM
As long as Rebol doesn't get compared to hospital drama Dark Place, I'll be happy. youtube.com/watch?v=6pQXGId_Oe4
 
I like the idea of short, funny episodes, with a few little lessons here and there. That's how I do my programming in my free time as well
 
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