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6:00 PM
I'm just starting to learn it
And it's blowing my mind
 
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positively?
 
Yeah, mind blowing is always positive unless done with a gun
 
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lol
 
@SomeGuy is that like xml as HTML?
 
I'm not sure what you mean by that
Yeah, that's the website
Basically, you can create "components"
 
6:01 PM
custom elemnets
 
So something like <google-maps> as a tag, would show an actual map
Or <date-picker>
 
reminds me of user controls in .net
 
You can abstract these components away now
 
<uc:googleMaps>
 
I'm fortunate enough to not have used .net :P
 
6:02 PM
no matter where I work I always bump in it
so I just learned to deal with it xD
 
Hahaha
 
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basically @easwee you can hide a set of a predefined dom structure in one tag only
 
it's more like a placholder
you still need the backing code to render it
 
@easwee yes.
 
this looks same - you still need to import the contorl logic
 
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6:04 PM
like <span class="date-picker"> could be exploded to
<input type="text"><button>pick date</button><div class="flyout"></div>
 
its just shadow dom
 
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so you will write one tag only instead of replicating the same structure a million times
 
yeah
but you probably already do that on your projects anyway
 
same thing what angular.js does
but cleaner as fuck
 
mvc and stuff
 
6:05 PM
and also this allows server side rendering \o/ better then angular :->
 
It was a lot harder to do it previously
 
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it's done on the client side
 
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and it's transparent
 
@ObiWanWesabi oooh that makes it clear
get it now
 
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means that you won't be able to write .date-picker > button
 
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6:06 PM
because button is not actually there
 
evil :)
in a way
 
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it's hidden, in the shadow :D
 
can you reference the button?
in some way?
 
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i don't remember the actual syntax now
 
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surely you can with both js and css
 
6:08 PM
@OrtomalaLokni what a useless attribute
 
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it will be something like datepicker.getShadowDom().getElementsByTagName("button")
 
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at least so was done with XBL
 
aha
well I would consider using something like this only on a huge project
and I mean like really huge
can't see the benefit on small stuff
 
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depends on how accessible the technology will be
 
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if it's easy to use it will be used for every single thing
 
6:15 PM
@ObiWanWesabi I agree on that - for example I really like browser handling inputs with their own GUI - like chrome actived for some time on <input type="date"> the default GUI datepicker
the only problem is that they should be stylable if site owner decides to have them look like the website
but on mobile on most systems they look and work way better than custom controls
 
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yes they will surely be stylable
 
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don't know how, but in XBL it was possible
 
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(XBL basically is the same thing, but with a different syntax)
 
don't know about XBL (just checked up what it is)
and I see it's abandoned :)
 
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yes it is. the shadow dom technology replaces xbl
 
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6:21 PM
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML_Components in the beginning there was this :D
 
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then mozilla's XBL, then the component model (also known as XBL2)
 
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and finally the HTML5 spec
 
Can anyone explain to me
 
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:P
 
what serverName is in Apache web server?
I mean how does this directive change the behaviour of the web server?
 
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6:23 PM
i have used xbl for years, it was pretty good already. but not actually easy to use since it was based on xml
 
i love this browser history lessons xD
there should be a cool site based on historical language topics
 
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:D it would be cool indeed
 
there is already w3schools that specializes in old techniques examples, but we need some solid writing too xD
 
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like most of people doesn't know that flexbox is something like 10-15 years old already
 
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i think it was developed by netscape in the first place
 
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6:26 PM
but only today reached the end users :D
 
well that is often the practice in tech field
just take a look at what they've done to Tesla :P
 
of course there was money involved - here is only the lazziness of devs :D
 
@AbhishekHingnikar You keep switching, don't you? :p
 
Hey guys
Can you name a price on how much would you charge to get this coded? goo.gl/HbCnkr
 
6:36 PM
@BenBeri what is that?
 
a web design
 
Jul 16 at 20:10, by Mr. Alien
am waiting for one who says
Jul 16 at 20:11, by Mr. Alien
"here you go, 50$ in adv"
@BenBeri ohh I see
 
@SomeGuy switching what ?
 
Switching what you find better
iOS v. Android
 
6:43 PM
Windows / Mac / Linux
 
i thought rooms.
no dude its been the same for a while now
I love macs, iOS as a user
Linux as a cloud arch :->
android as developer :D
 
in JavaScript :: !!s/lemon/lime/, Jul 12 '12 at 20:01, by Abhishek
Is it bad that i love windows in general ? lol
 
and hate windows anyways.
thats 2012 !
 
Yeah, it's just the first one I found
 
before i tasted real macs :D
 
6:44 PM
@Mr.Alien Is $50 too low to implement this design?
 
@BenBeri I haven't quoted you yet
:)
 
PS windows will have all my hate forever. reason :: Microsoft
 
That's not a reason
That's the name of a company
 
that is a reason
their philosophy.
and their failure to build anything stable and usable after windows xp
 
Care to elaborate on what part of their philosophy you dislike?
 
6:46 PM
1. Ass licking ?
 
@AbhishekHingnikar w7 is not stable?
 
@Mr.Alien compared to a mac ?
 
I've found both to be pretty stable for me
Personal experience, though, of course
 
@SomeGuy can u develop native node.js modules in windows yes but pita
windows cli - pita
 
I used Git Bash
 
6:47 PM
@AbhishekHingnikar what you can do in mac what you cannot do in w7? also theres a huge difference when it comes to price
 
So it was alright
 
@Mr.Alien nope same specs have same price
 
But I don't think we were talking about ease of development :p
We were talking about stability
 
windows 7 is still not stable
try monitoring your disk usage and for some reason i had to re-start the OS after "n" days.
havent restarted my ubuntu since probably a 2 months now
 
@AbhishekHingnikar I can get windows machine in 20k, I don;t think I can get a mac for that price
 
6:49 PM
@Mr.Alien I said same specs.
 
@AbhishekHingnikar mac os gives you spec which are more than req
 
i would never write code on a machine worth 20k.
you serious ?
The current machine i have has i7 - 4770k, 16 G DDR 3 Ram, 1 GB Nvidia GPU, Intel onboard (is a desktop), 1 TB HDD and 120 G SSD
 
@AbhishekHingnikar doesn't matter its 20k machine or 90k machine, what you write matters.. sublime text a browser and wamp is all I need, why would I spend 60-70k on mac if I can get all this in 30k
 
@Mr.Alien not for me
 
@AbhishekHingnikar what do you code?
 
6:51 PM
Native audio processing modules for servers in C, More Server side code, stress test it, photo filters
also design :P
 
ok, so i7 isn't req :)
 
if its server side and design
 
Trust me :-)
 
This is a pretty pointless discussion
 
6:52 PM
@SomeGuy ^
 
You know, because these things are subjective
 
exactly
PS @Mr.Alien try transcoding 200 instances of audio :-) at an i5 :D all at vbr :-)
 
@AbhishekHingnikar I don't know how to do that :)
 
run ffmpeg 200 times :D
run this 200 times :D on *nix, is the easiest way

ffmpeg foo.mp3 foo.aac &
 
am hacking js from a site, it seems like the site has supportive js which spans across 7-8 js files... tired
 
6:54 PM
@AbhishekHingnikar Why do you have 200 instances of that?
 
@SomeGuy just an example bro.
though on voscast auto dj broadcaster there are cases when the servers have that kind of load
also did you forgot snapick for some reason, and then the most awesome thing in world valgrind :D --if you ever wanna debug any node.js native module for memory leaks etc
PS coming back on topic
@SomeGuy @Mr.Alien leave windows on idle
and look at your disk I/O
 
Does your disk I/O affect the stability of the system?
 
nope just find it weird :D
also why do i have to reboot windows after "n" days ?
 
Maybe it'd be fair to say it doesn't perform as well as it should
I don't know. I never have to reboot it
 
I am not that hard core developer who analyse the system so much, windows earns me money :)
 
7:00 PM
I leave both Ubuntu and Windows on all the time, and notice no difference in either
 
try nix you'd make even more :D
@SomeGuy i will dig deeper, maybe drivers though.
windows is extremely dependent on drivers.
 
@AbhishekHingnikar tried v12, left, tried v14, left again
 
Ubuntu ?
 
yup, also kubuntu
 
Windows is good for one thing even i agree : Gaming :D
 
7:02 PM
and I do that too :D
 
Thats the only reason windows is on this hard - disk
 
hehe
 
PS @SomeGuy want windows 8 industry pro 64 bit ... free ?
 
Do you want to buy it for me? :p
I don't really want Win 8 yet
 
@SomeGuy i have 8 copies of it
 
7:03 PM
I use Windows mainly for gaming
 
Microsoft Dreamspark.
 
And I don't think all of the games have updated to support 8 yet
 
7:18 PM
@Mr.Alien try opening colorbay.me on your pc :-D
 
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7:28 PM
so w3c ended up doing an useless crap also with border-image-outset. GREAT WORK!
 
8:01 PM
posted on July 20, 2014 by Mary Lou

viewBox and preserveAspectRatio * Font of the Future * The Creative Class of MMXIV * Ripple Click Effect * Breach * Rome * raumrot

 
@AbhishekHingnikar whats that?
 
just try
its a website
 
@AbhishekHingnikar that was helpful :p
ios app
 
Yeap. how was the experience ?
lagged :D ?
 
nope, why?
it was neat
 
8:10 PM
i wrote it :-)
 
ohhh, thats great :)
 
the bokeh effect behind the ipad at bottom makes it lag, which nobody notices :D
 
nah, it did took some time to load probably cuz am downloading a game ... but once it was loaded, didn't lagged for me
 
probably gpu accelerated canvas :-)
 
hmm
 
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8:13 PM
@Mr.Alien need some help
 
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you know border-image right?
 
@AbhishekHingnikar so are you a web dev or you mostly program mobile apps?
@ObiWanWesabi yap
 
@Mr.Alien I am a full stack
 
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i need to do the same but with svg backgrounds
 
Job title says Cloud Architect, but i do a lot of things from Machine Learning to Web apps
 
8:15 PM
great..
 
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3*3 slice with x2 and y2 stretched
 
@ObiWanWesabi yea so it does work with svgs as well
what exactly are you looking for?
 
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but i don't want to use border-image, but background-image
 
ohhh but you can't repeat x and y axis separately
 
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bacause border take up space, instead i want to have a border image of which borders don't take any space
 
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8:16 PM
basically the content should be over the borders
 
ok I got it, but unfortunately you cannot do that
the best you can do is use an svg frame
and than you know whats next
 
what about before and after pseudo?
 
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need them for different purposes :(
 
wtf google, why does my webmaster page say 0 pages indexed but if you search my site you can see all the pages -___-
 
8:18 PM
Probably updates daily
 
@ObiWanWesabi so use CSS positioning, relative container, absolute content and overlap the border
 
And just hasn't updated yet
 
@DasBeasto angular ? or spa ? ps show the site ?
 
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@Mr.Alien i can't change the "content", in case i'd just set a negative margin
 
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i need something like "negative padding"
 
8:19 PM
we cannot negate the padding, the best you can do is use css positioning
 
@AbhishekHingnikar it started out spa but after not being indexed forever and failing to get #! to work I just rewrote it into a normal site.
 
or use a ready background frame
 
@DasBeasto show the website young padawn
 
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i want to do that, but it should be flexible @Mr.Alien
 
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so i was saying svg
 
8:21 PM
Still needs lots of work haha
http://www.hypedup.net/
 
ummm svg will scale, no issues with that but again, when it comes to aspect ratio, it will look bad
 
@DasBeasto you can specifically run their crawler on your page.
 
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anyway, border-image-outset it was supposed to work like a negative padding. clearly they ended up doing the wrong thing
 
thats the right thing, you didn't wanted to do that cuz it takes space
 
Yah I ran the crawler and if you google search "site:hypedup.net" it shows all of the pages (well I think 1 is missing so Ill have to figure that out) but the acutal webmaster site says none indexed, no keywords, no page markup, nada.
maybe it will just take a while to catch up
 
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8:24 PM
in the beginning it was supposed to work like i'm saying @Mr.Alien
 
hmmm
 
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anyway let's move on
 
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i can't fight them xD
 
4.50 gigs remaining, 1st time my laptop is on for more than 48 hours
 
Crazy: you can chain a selector with itself to increase its specificity. E.g. .btn.btn
 
8:29 PM
@joshhunt yes
 
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@joshhunt old trick :D
 
Yeah, that's really odd
 
@SomeGuy nah it isn't
 
Hello guys, can someone with website and statistics tell me if there is still many users that use opera mini?
 
Lol sorry about it smart guys, it was new to me :D
 
8:29 PM
You think it isn't odd that a selector can be used twice in the same selection?
"Give me a lemon, give me a lemon"
"A lemon! A lemon!"
 
haha nope, see this
 
It makes sense that it increases specificity
 
give me lemon <-- seems like he is just asking, if not, lets not give him a lemon
 
But I definitely find it odd that you can chain it with itself
 
give me lemon give me lemon <--- I really need lemon, so give it
 
8:31 PM
o/
 
Yeah, as I said, specificity makes sense
 
yea
 
But selection wise, I think either you get something or don't
 
@PatsyIssa o/
 
You don't get something more intensely
@PatsyIssa \o
 
8:31 PM
@SomeGuy I prefer element.class instead
.class < element.class < .class.class
 
@Mr.Alien That however has the disadvantage that you can't use that selector on a different element
 
@joshhunt yes
but I hardly share any class with other element, because of it's nature, like - inline,block etc
 
True, not saying it was wrong or anything, just pointing it out. It could be useful if you had something like <div> & <section>
 
yea :)
 
Anyways I think it is something useful to know even if it does feel a bit non-standard
 
8:38 PM
we are talking about css right?
 
if its a small website, I don't think I used any over specific selectors, the more specific selectors we use, the more messy the rules after that gets
@PatsyIssa yes, you can drop your opinion, don't feel shy :p
 
Was a comment regarding the "non-standard" part
 
^^ agreed, the article that I was reading was just saying it's better to use something like that than to use an id or !important
 
@joshhunt could you link the article here?
 
8:40 PM
I should start writing articles :/
 
Do it, I'll read :D
 
@Mr.Alien go for it and link it here for proof reading before publishing it
 
yea, surely I'll do, I wont be posting any fancy things, just concepts, and kinda real world examples almanac
 
sounds good
 
~~(Math.random() <---
@SomeGuy what does ~ mean in js?
 
8:43 PM
It's a bitwise operator
~~ is usually used instead of Math.floor
 
for?
ohh ok
 
@ObiWanWesabi You see? :p
 
rounding up to the lower number
 
@Mr.Alien lemon gave us a talk about the operators a while back
 
I know the general ones cuz I use them in php, but this was something new to me
 
No, no, no!
 
Don't like the article ?
 
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@SomeGuy that is just an hack
 
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it has nothing to do with bitmasks
 
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:D
 
8:47 PM
@PatsyIssa I don't like when people use bitwise operators
 
oh yeah unreliable but cool to know :P
what ever happened to the crypto course ?
 
I never started it
Too daunting
Every video was like 15-20 mins
 
Got into a college?
 
The admission process is on
 
gonna major in cs?
 
8:49 PM
this is funny, please explain me .. when I set canvas height and width using css in px, it pixelerates the canvas
but if I set the attribute height and width in px
 
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@PatsyIssa define unreliable
 
it looks fine
why?
 
CSS scales the canvas
 
@Mr.Alien you need to set it in attribute for canvas
 
The attributes set the actual width and height
 
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8:49 PM
#letsstartafight
 
yuk
 
@ObiWanWesabi can't remember it well but it had something to do with the rounding
 
What do you guys think of sliders from an effectiveness standpoint? I have read a few studies that have showed that they aren't very effective in most cases but they seemed to be used everywhere.
 
How do you measure effectiveness?
 
8:51 PM
Volume sliders seem pretty effective if defined as "getting the job done"
 
Sorry not that sort of slider... like an image slider (is there a better name for it?)
 
A slideshow?
 
Yea that's the one
 
Yeah, pretty bad
 
I think carousel is another name for it?
 
8:53 PM
Unless there are image previews below to skip through them
 
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@PatsyIssa bitwise has nothing to do with rounding :D please stop with the FUD
 
@ObiWanWesabi enlighten me :O
 
That looks like messi no ?
 
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@PatsyIssa bitmasks are just a way to represent a set of flags, for example... wait
 

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