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8:00 PM
Carp are good for that.
Plus, they're damn near impossible to accidentally kill.
 
see, you say that
 
@ssube No offense Sean, but I have a suspicion you could have a pet cockroach, and you'd manage to kill it.
 
probably just get some goldfish
feeders are like 5/$1
might be too cold soon to go netting
 
@Trasiva nah, I have a few house plants that are doing just fine.
also I'm allergic to cockroaches
 
@ssube house plants? boy have I got the product for you, introducing the patented lemon watering auto thingamajig. why don't you step over here to my van and I can show you a demo
Because we learn now jQuery on school, and not javascript.. Iknow for 50% how jquery works, but i dont know how to translate this.. — Danny 3 mins ago
 
8:06 PM
@rlemon i have a friend who does exactly this btw
 
@rlemon Ow, ow, WHYYYYYY
 
1000 litre tank of fish pumped up into plants, which is then filtered back into another 1000 litre tank and then it goes back into the fish
 
this winter I'm running a POC
if it works out I'll refine it during the summer
 
@rlemon how are you going to handle the humidity (I assume) it produces?
 
he grew the most green and tasty lettuces
 
8:08 PM
@ssube no more humidity than each system on its own
+ dehumidifier
 
@rlemon good luck! i love the idea of it
 
@Jhawins a demo of the technique that ndugger is slightly against: codepen.io/luggage66/pen/YGRxyN?editors=0010
cc @ndugger
 
user1596138
@Luggage Ohhh you're passing the column in as a child and then mapping over it I get it now
 
user1596138
Yeah that's gross. It's fake
 
user1596138
Like it's pretending that you have this wide open component... But in reality it needs to be very specific
 
8:15 PM
Right. It's 'fake' but that component only takes config, never actual children.
 
user1596138
Yeah I get it now. Children as config
 
I see how it's 'abusing' react, but..
 
user1596138
Hadn't ever occurred to me to do that tbh
 
I just build mine with configs
 
8:16 PM
well, react-router does something similar. It uses components only as a way to define objects with JSX
 
user1596138
I mean if you did it as a traditional prop it would be the same thing. Still seems wrong
 
user1596138
React-router does a bunch of really odd things..
 
yea.. and don't get me started on 4..
yea.. i'll just use a normal property.. ok, i'm sold.
 
@Luggage what are you trying to achieve? like what's the value in the technique?
 
user1596138
@Luggage I don't thinbk passing it as the child was the gross part lol
 
user2620028
8:21 PM
@Jhawins ever had a his and hers hurst?
 
user1596138
@HatterisMad Like a double handled short throw shifter?
 
The value is using JSX syntax for passing a list of objects.
 
i'm not trying to be patronising, i'm just curious ^^
 
user2620028
like a double gated
 
user2620028
one auto and i think the other is sequential manual?
 
8:22 PM
@Jhawins right, I also mean go back to plain objects.
 
user1596138
 
user1596138
Awesome
 
user2620028
hahaha, yeah used to be standard on some cars
 
user1596138
Sequential manual ftw lol who needs clutches
 
user2620028
thats what it is right?
 
user2620028
8:23 PM
im looking at it going...... i want dat
 
user1596138
Yep
 
user2620028
but then im looking at my current auto and it is PRND21
 
user2620028
so whats the fucking point then lmfao
 
that sounds like it's an auto that you can shift, not a true sequential manual..
 
user2620028
oh right... its a three speed
 
user1596138
8:24 PM
Oh that's gay....
 
user1596138
It's just your standard auto
 
user2620028
basically you are just locking it out of shifting right?
 
@HatterisMad trailers
none of those settings have ever done anything useful
 
user2620028
i hope i won't be with my jag anytime soon :D
 
people just like to pretend they're going fast while towing camping gear in their minivan
 
user1596138
8:25 PM
Yeah that's all
 
user1596138
And it increases the line pressure a ton when you go into the other gate
 
user1596138
So you get super hard donkey kick shifts
 
user2620028
i already have a shift kit.... please no more line pressure
 
If I am to drive an auto, I don't want to notice it shifting.
 
user2620028
my neck cant take any more
 
8:27 PM
Otherwise, yes.. just random jolts.
 
user2620028
@luggage i know right.... i bought this car because it is supposed to be a luxury relax and drive kinda feel. the bastard put a shift kit in it
 
@KendallFrey @ndugger imgur.com/gallery/gxr8W second comment
 
@HatterisMad you won't be doing anything until you fix the electronics (they fell out the bottom while you weren't looking).
 
I miss my Boxster :(
 
user1596138
@HatterisMad it was locked out too, there was a special secondary key to open that side
 
user2620028
8:28 PM
@ssube Its in the shop getting the floorpans and rearend mounts welded back in :(
 
@HatterisMad don't worry, as soon as you get it back, you'll send it in again. :D
 
user2620028
@Jhawins Yeah i saw that XD, Misogyny at its finest.
 
(this is all based on the assumption that by "jag" you mean a jaguar)
 
user1596138
> this key on his personal key ring prevents use of the competition gate by the curious parking lot attendant, or the automatic minded little lady
 
8:29 PM
if it's a different kind of car that's built properly, disregard
 
user2620028
@ssube indeed it is.... ironically this is the first jaguar related issue i have had with it
 
Now nearly all cars (that are auto) have that ability.
and no extra gender-specific keys
 
@SterlingArcher literally every comment
 
@HatterisMad I had an ex in hs whose dad straight up told us to take the jag out and don't worry if we broke it, because he was sick of spending money to fix all the little issues they have. :P
 
user2620028
it has a 350 with a chevy drivetrain and i constantly have issues with it spewing oil or water
 
user1596138
8:30 PM
@Luggage This actually had both
 
pos cars, all the way through
 
user1596138
See the screenshot above
 
Yea..
 
user1596138
The point was so that you couldn't accidentally go into reverse or something
 
8:30 PM
@HatterisMad They still automatically shift if you push the red line.
 
@Trasiva gross, what car does that?
 
user2620028
@trasiva no shit? haha
 
user2620028
Does it move the lever for you too... that would actually be funny
 
@ssube Almost any car with the tiptronic shifting that's still an auto.
 
user2620028
Here you idiot you needed to shift
 
8:32 PM
@Trasiva never seen one
 
yea.. i thought they would all shift if you want too far.
 
@HatterisMad Nah, the gears just shift, it'll downshift too if you let the rpm get too high.
 
my car sure as shit doesn't, the rentals I've had recently didn't (but I didn't try too hard)
 
user2620028
@Trasiva the shifters we were talking about were the mechanical ones from like the 60s
 
mine will downshift but never ever upshift for you
 
8:32 PM
> it'll downshift too if you let the rpm get too high.
i'm sorry what
 
My jetta did, and now my G6 does too.
@KendallFrey Too low, sorry
 
He meant upshift, obviously. :)
 
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN KENDALL
 
oh, or that
 
user2620028
car suicide :D
 
8:33 PM
Basically, it's a feature to let people think they're driving manual, without fucking with a clutch.
 
I've never driven an auto-manual that I enjoyed driving as 'manual'. (corrected)
instead of downshifting and upshifting, you should be able to jsut select an RPM range.
"don't go below 2k"
 
When my car is in "manual" the RPM never goes below what it normally would, so it's only useful for late shifting
 
user2620028
i mean at this point might as well just do paddle shifters if you are going to want the his and hers... or am i the only one thinking this?
 
my car will happily go down to about 700 before it downshifts
 
I don't use it often, usually when I get behind that slow mother fucker coming off the off ramp, or you got that douchebag in the turning lane only who wants to shoot around you because they're in a hurry.
 
8:35 PM
@Luggage My car does that, with the throttle pedal
 
@HatterisMad no, That's what I am saying. paddle shifters or "manual mode" is the modarn version of this. It's now* common.
 
@KendallFrey :|
 
@KendallFrey i mean autos.
 
user2620028
i think i would miss the clutch pedal too much tho
 
yea. i do.
i now have my first (daily driver) auto since my first car
 
user2620028
8:36 PM
same
 
user1596138
@Trasiva No they don't.
 
I do and I can't even drive stick properly.
 
I think the lockup is a little rough, occassionally, but I don't have a good idae of what is normal.
 
user1596138
Not the one we're talking about.
 
def picking up a stick shift beater sometime soon
 
8:38 PM
@Jhawins Yea, Hatter let me know we were talking apples and oranges. My bad dude.
 
user1596138
Ohhhh ok :P
 
@Jhawins I was talking about cars with the fake manual 'tiptronic'.
 
user1596138
I love my manual... But clutches seem to need replaced more often than automatic belts burn off
 
Maybe you just burn clutches? :)
 
user1596138
When driving rough anyway
 
user2620028
8:39 PM
@Jhawins Yeah i abuse my clutches
 
Maybe if you quit treating your clutch like your prom date, you wouldn't have that problem.
 
I don't abuse clutches because every time I've had a clutch replaced it was never as good as new. Always something wrong.
 
@Trasiva there are a few (very different) versions of that. American cars use a really weird one, BMW uses their own, VW and friends use their (super shitty) one, etc. Most of those won't upshift for you.
 
I need a good mechanic.
 
That's only counting tiptronic/steptronics, not proper dual clutch ones.
 
user1596138
8:41 PM
I don't burn clutches anymore than I have to lol
 
user1596138
Sometimes you gotta
 
user2620028
@Luggage I have always replaced them myself
 
Porsche and BMW and Mitsu all have their own dual clutch setups which seem to be pretty good (never used the Porsche one).
 
user1596138
I'll go stage 2 (arbitrary stages ftw) when I replace it
 
F that. I don't want a 'perfromance' clutch on the street.
 
user2620028
8:42 PM
But for some reason in every miata i replaced a clutch in the master cylinder would never properly work again. Even the replacement parts would fail after a month or so.
 
user1596138
@Luggage Why? You have made a wrongful assumption I believe
 
I might.
 
@ssube Well my Pontiac (2007 GM), and my Jetta (2009) both up and downshift for me if I get above/below certain thresholds.
 
user1596138
God I'm talking like a douche today
 
user2620028
@Jhawins Heavy
 
8:43 PM
hahahah, pontiac..
sorry.
 
@Luggage sometimes you're feeling nostalgic and need a car that hasn't been updated in 15 years.
 
user2620028
or 40 in my case :D
 
user1596138
Ideally you wouldn't know if your select-shift shifts at redline for you....
 
user2620028
haha you don't want to find out :D
 
8:44 PM
@Luggage but Impalas can't be the only hideously smooth boat cutting people off in traffic.
 
It's less boaty than an impala.
 
It's like a large RWD Cavalier
 
user1596138
@Luggage show us your ride we have all heard about it but never seent her
 
My ride is a boring old-man car, now.
 
user1596138
8:46 PM
Oh what?? I thought it was Porsche like a month ago
 
Yea, an '07 Boxster S. It was about 2 months ago.
 
he's following sterling down the drug dealer path but started with the car vs the watch
 
I think a drug dealer can do better than a c300
Which is basically a Camry.
only RWD platform..
 
I didn't say successful drug dealer
 
8:51 PM
A legal drug dealer. I sell Tylenol.
 
@SterlingArcher oh bother
 
user1596138
I am fastest in the group then
 
user1596138
Well Idk @SterlingArcher is if it's raining lol
 
You're fastest. I have no car payment. I win.
 
!!afk dinnah
 
user1596138
8:59 PM
Working on it!
 
@Jhawins maybe in a straight line
 
My launch control would smoke you
 
throw in a turn or two and he'll be on par with everybody else
 
launch control.. the jQuery of driving.
 
user1596138
Manuals don't get launch control.. Don't need it
 
9:00 PM
The only car that has beaten me off the line so far is a C63 AMG
 
@Luggage so jQuery is the lazy way out but still gives you a chub?
 
dicks out for jquery
 
@SterlingArcher My launch control would vape you
 
@KendallFrey *would vape you, fam
 
user1596138
@SterlingArcher can't find a good 0-60 number for an RS4
 
9:02 PM
@Jhawins they're slightly faster in a straight line than I am, so low 5/high 4s
 
user1596138
Awwwww shit son, manufacturer says we have the same 0-60.
 
user1596138
4.6
 
user1596138
I win in the long run with that 170mph top speed lol
 
can Let's Encrypt create self-signed certs?
 
4.6 is also what a Focus RS does.
 
user1596138
9:03 PM
I'm not insane tho, so I wouldn't get there.
 
@NathanJones it created real-signed certs.
 
I wonder what my top speed is
 
user1596138
@Luggage I probably weigh about 2.5 times what an RS does lol
 
yea. challengers are pigs :)
 
@Jhawins and you have 3 million times the tire surface
 
user1596138
9:04 PM
I have a double overdrive so mine's good even with my 3.92 gearing
 
user1596138
@ssube I only have 245s right now nothing special
 
@Luggage right, but i have a vagrant box that i want to create an ssl cert for, and the domain i have assigned to it, but it only lives in my /etc/hosts file.
 
user1596138
I came up with a plan for the car
 
well, you an sign certs yourself and trust your own root cert..
 
user1596138
Going to get some 305s in the rear, 265s in the front on some 17s so I have a big fat sidewall. And get the Mopar lowering springs for only the front so it looks like an old shackled up Cuda
 
9:06 PM
@Luggage can Let's Encrypt do that?
 
you have the 8-speed?
or manual?
 
user1596138
I have the 6 speed manual
 
@NathanJones no, let's encrypt does REAL certs.
 
@Jhawins ha ha, I have more gears than you
 
as in real hostnames that are on the interwebs
 
9:06 PM
they may not be real gears
 
user1596138
I don't need any more lol
 
(or they are, I can't tell with this car)
 
user1596138
My 6th gear is 1:0.5
 
user1596138
Which is absurd.
 
@NathanJones The idea of certificates is that you need to trust them, or to trust the entity that signed them.
 
9:07 PM
is that ratio with the rear-end, or just the transmission?
 
user1596138
@Luggage That's only the transmission my rear end is 3.92
 
Your computer (or your browser, depending on operating system) implicitly trusts a finite set of known certificate authorities (a.k.a. CAs)
 
.728 is my highest (or lowest)
 
user1596138
For reference... Mustang with a 5 speed manual has a 1:0.79 5th gear
 
If you sign the certificate yourself, your browser will rightfully complain that it doesn't trust your signature
When Let's Encrypt signs it, the browser looks at the signature and allows it
 
user1596138
9:08 PM
@Luggage Nice. This vehicle and my last one have both had the crazy double overdrive. I like it... But you need to be careful not to get in too soon
 
well, the car decides for me..
 
Sometimes, there are intermediary CAs, which can sign certificates and in turn are signed by the better known root CAs
 
user1596138
Ahh, right..
 
the boxster would ride at 4k RPM doing 80mph in 6th gear.
 
The browser goes up the certificate chain, until it finds one that it trusts.
 
9:09 PM
needless to say, i didn't need to downshift to pass.
 
If it reaches the end of the chain without finding a trustworthy certificate, it complains
To make a self-signed certificate valid, you will need to tell your operating system/browser to trust it
 
or some cert up the chain
 
That depends on the operating system you're working in.
 
Which is simple in all OSes..
 
user2620028
9:10 PM
@Luggage I also have no car payment
 
@Luggage gearing ratios with an 8 speed flappy are weird.
 
@HatterisMad smart.
 
In Windows and MacOS, it's handled by the operating system, in most Linux distros, it's handled by the browser.
 
user2620028
Yeah its the best isn't it
 
All of which have nice, relatively easy to use GUIs
 
9:11 PM
@MadaraUchiha isn't that the other way around?
 
user1596138
@Luggage At 80 I am at like 2K rpm lol
 
@ssube No.
 
centos at least has a package of trusted CA certs
 
user1596138
It's so nice. I got 25mpg on my last trip to Indiana and I did an entire tank at 80mph without shifting
 
@ssube Yes, for its various command line tools
But not for browsers.
 
9:11 PM
 
ohh, it got 25-30 mpg at 4k rpm in the highway.. the only time it got decent fuel economy
 
With Windows, there's the certificate manager, trying to manage it from the Chrome settings just opens the OS level GUI manager.
 
hey that's the same mileage I get
 
user1596138
@Luggage But did it make 400hp or sound like a Hemi
 
I know that at least in Ubuntu, the certs are managed internally in Chrome.
 
user1596138
9:12 PM
:P
 
@NathanJones questions? :)
 
user1596138
The autos in my car have the MDS so they do 4 cylinder mode on the highway.. Not in manuals tho.
 
No, but it did sound nice with the top down (with the top up i heard more engine, less exhaust due to the engine being a few inches behind me)
 
user1596138
Sounds like a fun car lol
 
It was :(
 
9:14 PM
@MadaraUchiha what's stopping someone from using one of the valid certs in the trust chain to sign their own cert and pass that off as trusted?
 
@NathanJones think about that.
 
@NathanJones You would need their signature
 
the internet would be chaos.
 
They wouldn't sign your certificate for domain "google.com"
Because you cannot prove that "google.com" belongs to you.
 
@Luggage i get that it doesn't happen, but i don't get why
 
9:15 PM
because the cert only has the public key, not private.
 
user1596138
I like this one but it's not ideal... Next time I'll probably just bite it and get the truck I wanted. But god damn it feels good to step out of a car like this lol
 
It can validate another cert signed with that private key, but can't sign it itself.
 
Let's Encrypt does this process automatically, the normal procedure is opening a web server, and then their signing server tries to access your server through the domain you specified, if it succeeds, it means that the domain really is yours
Ah yes, if you aren't familiar with assymetric encryption, it's because the certificate contains a public key, which is good for decryption, but not the private key which is good for encryption
 
Anywho.. is this machine you want to make a cert for public or just an internal-only VM (like for dev)?
 
Only the entity with the correct private key can sign a certificate in a way that would match the public your browser trusts.
 
9:19 PM
@Luggage the latter
 
Let's Encrypt is for public sites. It's just a more streamlined way of getting a proper legit cert. It does NOT work for internal machines that are not reachable from the internet, unfortunately. For that either use an old-school signing authority ($) or just self-sign and put your own Cert in the OS's trusterd certs (and still keep your private key private).
openssl commandline (which is available on windows, too) can do all the making of certs you need for self-signed
and even convert them into the format MS uses in windows.
 
@Luggage that's okay. We use openssl cli to create our own cert, i thought let's encrypt might streamline it a bit.
 
@NathanJones Alright, so no, it wouldn't :) Although, I would create a company-wide CA and have all computers in the company trust it
That usually makes things a lot simpler.
 
@MadaraUchiha can a CA be added programmatically in linux?
 
with shell scripts anything can be done 'programmatically' in linux
 
9:22 PM
@NathanJones Almost surely, yes.
 
though, if it's truely by browser in linux, that's a bit annoying.
 
@KendallFrey Next step: youtube.com/watch?v=k37WtFVfDfs
Also, what strip is that which gives you control over the individual LEDs?
 
kb.kerio.com/product/kerio-connect/server-configuration/… adding root certs via commandline for all* OSes
 
Also, very cool!
 
linux is my favourite jQuery plugin
 
9:26 PM
yesterday, by Kendall Frey
@Loktar WS2812 (Neopixel as marketed by Adafruit)
 
@KendallFrey Didn't have to be a jerk about it :(
 
I just didn't want to retype
 
(ಥ﹏ಥ)
 
But he goes that extra mile.
 
I got asked that a lot of times lol
 
9:27 PM
np, thanks :P
 
@MadaraUchiha @Luggage would adding a sitewide custom CA be easier than just doing openssl req -new -x509 -key $HOSTNAME.key -out $HOSTNAME.cert -days 3650 -subj /CN=$HOSTNAME in my vagrant provisioning script?
 
componentDidUpdate () {
	const { _pendingStateQueue } = this._reactInternalInstance;

	if (!_pendingStateQueue) {
		this.shouldForceUpdate = false;
	}
}
react pls
I love when I have to reach into react internals
It's the best
And before you ask, yes, I am abusing react and using it in ways for which it wasn't intended
 
9:45 PM
k
@rlemon Just got back from the gig
What're we gonna watch?
 
@ndugger wat?
What are you trying to do with this abuse?
 
10:06 PM
@Zirak dunno. Just walking in the door
Give me a half hour
 
10:17 PM
@rlemon I may die in the next few minutes
 
fingers crossed
 
I just realized I'm going full redneck on my arduino
I made a touch sensor using a small piece of cardboard and some old telephone (?) cable
 
@Zirak pull an all nighter, molt is streaming at 9pm
 
11:12 PM
 
11:45 PM
@phenomnomnominal You gonna come down for CSS/JSConf?
Or still undecided?
 

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