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8:00 PM
@AwalGarg haven't tried, but don't see why not
 
@AwalGarg Yes
 
@MadaraUchiha yep, with no config
 
Since we haven't had enough recommendations: Worm. It's a finished web serial: it's a somewhat dark take on superheros/Godzilla. I'm 90% through and it's one of the best things I've ever read. (And that's not a small category)
 
@phenomnomnominal Okay, so dynamic binding vs lexical binding?
The book describes dynamic binding as the rebinding (lexically) of a global, or otherwise higher scoped variable.
Is that a close description?
 
!!youtube hiphopopautomus
 
8:03 PM
not really; returning from a function restores the previous binding
 
@NickDugger The Lords of YouTube did not find your query favorable
 
@NickDugger you're welcome
 
@JanDvorak Right, but that's lexical binding
 
!!youtube flight of the conchords sugar lumps
 
You bind for the duration of the current functional call or let call, and after you're done it returns to whatever it was
What's "dynamic binding" then?
 
I guess it means that it's set implicitly by the call
 
8:16 PM
@MadaraUchiha it means it assigns the values to the variables, it's basically saying that it uses lexical scoping
(like js)
However, it also has dynamic scoping, but I'll let you see that
 
8:28 PM
also, holy shit is that model fucking realistic
 
which one is Loktar?
how is an orc model realistic?
 
textures smart ass
 
it's really good, not gonna argue that
like, really good
 
I made it
 
dat orc tho
also @SterlingArcher another Eragon fan, yay
 
8:34 PM
hi there, just if anybody knows coffeescript, worths the pain of learning it?, just started a job they have a basic webapp with canjs in coffeescript sources. im doubting between learning it or tell the arch to switch to es6 with babel, it just looks awfull
 
coffeescript is gross
 
I hate myself for liking it but I really do. good memories.
 
I liked it, now it's just sort of outdated.
All the cool things it had are in JS now
 
nice for the feedback
thats what i told him
 
Did coffeescript popularize transpilers/compilers for javascript, or was there a major player before it?
 
8:35 PM
@NickDugger neither, really
 
fair enough
 
@SantiagoRebella use babel/es6, it's actually standardized
 
@MadaraUchiha dynamic scoping is this (indent this correctly, I typed this on mobile): (defvar *foo* 1) (defun bar () (print *foo*)) (bar) #| 1 |# (let ((*foo* 2)) (bar)) #| 2 |# (bar) #| 1 |#
 
@ElliotBonneville where is my love?! bastard!
 
@SantiagoRebella keep coffeescript as coffeescript, write new code in ES6, it should take you like... 20 minutes to pick coffeescirpt up if you know ES6 and you know Python, otherwise like an hour for scoping.
 
8:36 PM
ok
 
@NickDugger it was probably the first big compile-to-JS language, but the transpiler idea didn't get really popular until around the time Typescript and ES6 started using the concept
 
@rlemon <3
 
@FlorianMargaine So, the lexical binding of an already bound variable?
 
@NickDugger it popularized compile-to-js languages that were still JS in their essence, and a lot of concepts were popularized by it.
 
I just quickly skimmed the transcripts, my bads.
 
8:37 PM
@MadaraUchiha yes, but only within a small lifetime
i.e. let's lifetime
 
i understand it a little already, but i was doubting if its really out of the game, or still theres value on having it
 
I think the terminology we use for variable life times is horrible :D
@SantiagoRebella Rails still ships with CoffeeScript by default, it's just not moving fast enough and it sort of lost the game to babel and TypeScript
 
@MadaraUchiha technically, it's not lexical binding since *foo* is a global variable, but I think we understood each other
 
@FlorianMargaine Does it stop being global inside of let?
 
@MadaraUchiha no, but its value changes only for code run inside let
 
8:40 PM
Studies show that if you like pokemon, your mother probably smoked crack while she was pregnant with you
 
Honestly though... You won't use it a lot. I've used it once to implement default global values, overrideable within a let
 
ok, tks for your opinions
 
It's useful when you want to change another package's variable within a small lifetime
Because e.g. the package is kinda buggy or w/e
 
.tk domains should repopularize
 
-13
Q: what boy do I pick

Shelbi BraunOk so like idk what to do because I really like this guy but it'd be long distance. I really don't like the guy im dating because I know nothing about him and whenever I bring up talking about it he changes the conversation. Like I know everything about the guy that'd be long distance. They both ...

LaL
 
8:44 PM
view helpers
classy
upvoted
 
so tempted to upvote
 
do it, I already did
 
I did too...
 
put it back into positive
 
8:45 PM
@rlemon I have the privilege to vote for deletion of this question :P
 
screenshot it before it goes away
 
10K <3
 
@NickDugger .io is life
 
We still have the link
 
great... now she has 10 rep
 
8:47 PM
Screenshotted it, since I can't see deleted questions
Just in time
 
Please don't upvote these
 
make me
 
profile pic from snapchat :(
 
who saves a snapchat?!
 
8:49 PM
@ElliotBonneville that's funny as hell, deserves an upvote
@rlemon everybody
 
@nick no
 
@rlemon if it's got boobs, everyone
 
@nick yes
 
@ssube not even
if its even funny ill save it :)
 
8:50 PM
@ElliotBonneville lol, link?
 
@nick *it's, *I'll
 
god dammit
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum link to what?
 
pedantic nerds everywhere
 
@ElliotBonneville the post
 
lol, dat user
 
user3119231
lol :D
 
user3119231
made my day
 
I'm waiting for the blog post "StackOverflow is ruined! ... blah blah blah, I can't get dating advice from there! The moderators are on a power trip!"
8
 
8:53 PM
mcgotes
 
scrotes
 
there's a free .cf tld... so @SterlingArcher could get "ILove.CF"
 
nevermind, ILove.CF is already taken
 
@phenomnomnominal yus
 
8:56 PM
@NickDugger i hate.cf
 
nah, you love it
 
@rlemon I'll post on meta if you like
 
@KendallFrey yes
if you didnt get an answer already
chrome will render at the hz of the monitor, I get 144fps all the time now
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum did you see the .net 4.6 bug?
 
8:59 PM
@FlorianMargaine no, which?
 
@Loktar thanks for the sanity check, the other guy was making no sense
 
Gonna go home in 10 minutes, bros
 
@rlemon that is friggin amazing
 
@NickDugger kk
 
@KendallFrey yeah np, haha it messes with demos though, people who assume 60fps is the highest
 
8:59 PM
gotta keep my bros updated
 
annoys me so much now
 
@Loktar I'm one of those people :)
 
But our eyes can only see 30fps so it doesn't matter #science
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum on mobile, but look at /r/programming
 
^ thats what I always use now, move it to diff monitors and itll run at the max fps
@NickDugger thats not even close to true at all :p
 
9:00 PM
@rlemon it might get worse. Some SJW might pick it up and run an article about "Stackoverflow is oppressing women voice" on BUzzFeed.
 
@Loktar ikr! that model would freak me right hte fuck out if I saw it in person
 
we dont see in frames rendered per second
 
#2true
 
*that's (*2), *it'll, *don't
 
@tereško #StackOverflowGate
 
9:00 PM
@NickDugger citation needed
 
Janus, cool your english tits
@tereško my brain
 
who does this wanker think he is
 
Under the right conditions, I'm 99% sure the human eye can pick up a difference between any framerates right up to infinity.
 
9:01 PM
My eyes can only see 10fps
My life is a stop motion film
 
lol flags
 
@NickDugger strange .. I guess those jet pilots with ability to perceive 250+ fps must be superhuman
 
Yeah m8
 
@SterlingArcher ?
 
watch some 30fps youtube vids, tha(e)n 60fps
 
9:03 PM
*then
 
JANUS
 
@JanDvorak god dang you :p
 
WHAT DID I TELL YOU!?
 
humans don't need more than 24fps is there is motion blurring (think movies and shit)
 
motion blurring is so bad
 
9:03 PM
@Loktar Tell Google to unlock their fucking 60FPS video
 
^
@KendallFrey unlock it, what do you mean?
 
might be bad, but it effectively tricks our brains unless we see a better comparison
 
@Loktar dang it all to heck
 
As in, I want to see it on a browser that's not Chrome
 
I doubt it's browser locked, probably that other browsers don't support it, but that doesn;t make sense; I'm dumb, are you reading this far? Stop reading this.
 
9:05 PM
take it for what you will.
!!afk home time
 
pretty sure your eyes don't have a set "polling" rate
kkkkk
 
@KendallFrey ooooh, heh I only use chrome, didn't realized it was just locked to it
 
@NickDugger It was originally locked to Chrome, and I've never heard news of it being unlocked nor seen an option for it in Opera
Actually I don't mind the fact that it's locked so much as the fact that 60FPS videos sometimes don't play right
I have to manually select 480p sometimes to get decent playback
 
@rlemon you mean the entire image, not just the spot on which you are focusing
 
60fps works fine for me on a fast enough connection
 
9:07 PM
@KendallFrey I have to scale graphics back sometimes on 1440 to get 144fps :(
 
and on my mac
but otherwise, yeah, it generally farts about on windows chrome for some reason
 
but lately I've just been enabling freesync
 
@NickDugger honestly' I really hope you were just trolling
 
@Loktar first fucking world problems, stfu
 
and its buttery smooth again
 
9:07 PM
The flicker fusion threshold (or flicker fusion rate) is a concept in the psychophysics of vision. It is defined as the frequency at which an intermittent light stimulus appears to be completely steady to the average human observer. Flicker fusion threshold is related to persistence of vision. Although flicker can be detected for many waveforms representing time-variant fluctuations of intensity, it is conventionally, and most easily, studied in terms of sinusoidal modulation of intensity. There are seven parameters that determine the ability to detect the flicker: the frequency of the modulation...
 
@KendallFrey :p
 
@tereško of course
 
my monitor has blur reduction, it flickers at the rate of a crt, makes everything so crisp
I <3 it
 
time to go home
 
@Loktar I sometimes get ~5FPS watching YouTube in 480p
 
9:08 PM
@NickDugger unfortunately one cannot be sure .. console gamers have been declaring that "science fact" for years now
 
@KendallFrey lol
 
more hz = more win
 
... of course, same console gamers think that using mouse in shooters counts as "cheating"
 
@nick with technologies like gsync and freesync even that is becoming a bit less relevant
@tereško hahah I actually had a xim4 for a bit and people said I was cheating and had an unfair advantage
I did it just to troll on the PS4
xim4 allows you to hook up a kb+mouse and it emulates the controller
 
@Loktar there is a lot of salt in this post: reddit.com/r/PS4/comments/3ercj9/…
 
user3119231
9:12 PM
function setXMLData(row, data){
	var http = new XMLHttpRequest() || new ActiveXObject("Microsoft.XMLHTTP");;
	var params = "action=set&row="+row+"&data="+data;
	http.open("POST", "system/php/XMLHttp.php", true);
	http.setRequestHeader("Content-type", "application/x-www-form-urlencoded");
	http.setRequestHeader("Content-length", params.length);
	http.setRequestHeader("Connection", "close");
	http.send(params);
}
 
hahah oh wow!
Im going to buy that!
 
user3119231
any idea why this does not work?
 
@Maurize what error(s) do you get?
 
user3119231
I get no errors or something. But either no values.
 
@Maurize why are you still supporting IE7?
 
user3119231
9:13 PM
It isn't only for IE
 
user3119231
or?
 
does the ActiveX thingie even still work in IE8?
my guess: encoding issues
 
user3119231
I don't know. proudly user of firefox.
 
user3119231
Yeah. but I only trigger this values -> var row = "money" & var data = "10"
 
@Maurize what do you see in network log?
 
9:15 PM
do you need to close the HTTP? I don't know. Proud user of jQuery here
 
@JanDvorak according to MDN, XmlHttpRequest was implemented in IE7
 
user3119231
@tereško just checked this - seems like the request is made.
 
so... why are you still including compatibility code for IE6, @Maurize?
 
what do you get in the server response?
 
user3119231
@JanDvorak If it is only for IE I'll delete it. You win.
 
9:17 PM
also, to get data back from server you need to attach an event listener
 
@Maurize Doesn't mean the server isn't waiting for more.
 
user3119231
It doesn't reach the .php file...
 
user3119231
I have put a echo in-
 
what does the server tell you?
do you get an error code?
it could be that you are trying to hit a file which is not there
 
user3119231
<br />
<b>Notice</b>:  Undefined variable: POST in <b>D:\XAMPP\htdocs\bmd_website_3\game\system\php\XMLHttp.php</b> on line <b>9</b><br />
 
user3119231
9:20 PM
Now I got the error >:(
 
the URL does look suspicious
 
you have $POST instead of $_POST
 
user3119231
Yeah just saw that -.-
 
user3119231
These little mistakes...
 
user3119231
@JanDvorak what you mean?
 
9:22 PM
yeah, I switched this part to a Request class in php for abstracting to POST/GET stuff
saves me some pain
 
@tereško $_REQUEST?
 
@JanDvorak no
... I have to write documentation for that thing already
 
user3119231
@tereško I have to write documentation on work, too :(
 
let me quote that six to eight years later
 
@JanDvorak lol
I am actaully thinking about doing it this week .. maybe even tomorrow
 
9:26 PM
!!s/years/days/
 
@JanDvorak let me quote that six to eight days later (source)
 
user1596138
@Loktar here's that helmet I was telling you about skully.com/#press1
 
@Maurize what kind of game are you making?
 
user1596138
I guess the camera was a full 180 deg, oh and the price dropped to $1,499 which actually isn't THAT crazy tbh
 
something good or a marketing stunt?
 
user3119231
9:29 PM
@tereško a little rpg
 
realtime, turnb-based or tick-based?
 
realtime ftw
i don't have patience for turn-based games
 
@nick have you tried the new XCom?
 
nope
 
tiny RPG = this?
 
user3119231
9:31 PM
 
Morning
 
i've heard good things about xcom though
 
user3119231
no more like a fun game
 
honestly I'd probably enjoy it
 
user3119231
where you are a bum and can take drugs and stuff ... :D
 
9:32 PM
o_0
 
@nick get it on next steam sale .. it's usually something like $5
 
noice
 
!!urban noice
 
@JanDvorak noice Beyond the boundaries and exceeding the limits of nice. Spoken with emphasis when describing something particularly awesome.
 
those $5 have yielded ~120h 145h of entertainement and frustration and panic
 
9:34 PM
= five days
 
user1596138
@JanDvorak I see no rocket
 
@JanDvorak since I usually play something like 4h in one sitting, it's closer to a month
 
user3119231
wohoo, the parameter is still string even with using intval :D
 
@rlemon I wouldn't take anything from the Daily Mail as fact
 
@CallumBarclay rlemon is afk: home time
 
@tereško Me c:
 
watch it .. it's good
 
I'm aware, I've watched the series
 
@CallumBarclay I found that one hilarious
 
9:42 PM
@CallumBarclay oh .. looks like you are one of those people who might get offended if I say taht you are from "England"
(which was my initial urge)
 
@tereško You may be completely correct.
 
@FlorianMargaine still around?
 
It should be noted I don't hate the English, just England (the country) and its politics. It's landscape is quite boring, too.
 
@MadaraUchiha yes
@MadaraUchiha I might leave anytime (if Robin wakes up)
 
@FlorianMargaine I understand the basic of Lisp, the syntax, how to use functions and macros and variables
 
9:46 PM
@MadaraUchiha awesome
 
I'll probably learn basic file I/O soon, I've seen a chapter in the book for that
What about the more complicated things? Network I/O, threads, processes, etc.
 
it's usually implementation-dependent
 
And also, up until now I've only seen Lisp work very closly with the REPL. How does one compile a Lisp file with several functions to make an executable that accepts input in runtime, and give that executable to another person?
 
@CallumBarclay in that case you are probably ecstatic about the outcome of elections in UK
 
that said, thanks to some lisp feature (namely, #+sbcl and the likes), there are some libraries that work on multiple implementations (e.g. bordeaux-threads for threads, usocket for network i/o, etc)
@MadaraUchiha hehe
@MadaraUchiha what you can do is "dump" an image
i.e. dump an repl session
how to dump an image is implementation-dependent, but there's buildapp that lets you do this cross-platformishly
see the last line
where I specify the binary name and the entry function
this often leads to big binaries though, be aware of it
because the entire lisp runtime is dumped
(it also means you can get an repl for production-running apps)
 
9:51 PM
That is another thing I've wondered about
Macros are compile-time things, they expand eventually into functions
What happens when you input runtime values into those macros?
 
as in?
I mean, do you have an example?
 
@FlorianMargaine Sec
(defmacro where (&rest clauses)
  `#'(lambda (cd) (and ,@(make-comparisons-list clauses))))
Simple macro to query a list
 
you mean
(defmacro where (&rest clauses)
  `'#(lambda...
?
and what's make-comparisons-list?
 
@FlorianMargaine It's an example from the book
There's also a global variable hiding somewhere below the layers
 
9:56 PM
But the point is, where accepts a list of clauses like (where :artist "foo")
And returns a lambda I pass to a different function
 
I see
the make-comparisons-list function is executed during compile-time
 
What if I passed that "foo" as a runtime thing? I prompted the user for stdin and passed that to where?
How does Lisp handle that?
 
the macro is already compiled
 
Does it recompile the macro for my new input value for every time?
 
no
can you expand the example?
 
9:58 PM
(where :artist (read-line *query-io*))
Hmmm
 

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