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2:01 PM
maybe you should rethink your DB
 
2:16 PM
:D wait how am I supposed to use angular with dustjs ... :pokerface:
 
@argentum47 If you decide use angular you get the whole package, including their templates :p
unless it's 2.0 and something's changed drastically
 
Should i inject my humongous app.js on 'deviceready' ?
cause i really dont want to have fragmented code :P which half runs on .load and half on .deviceready
 
ok
my 404 route is not working github.com/argentum47/express-passport/blob/master/app.js#L35 if I move this line above the app.use(db.conn.close) then I have that Can't set headers after they are sent. error. how to solve?
and for the localhost/users page data gets showed but the chome is keeping on loading the page .. that circling icon in the tab title bar
 
2:42 PM
looks like spacex lost one
 
spacex ?
 
@Luggage again
 
Yup.
 
> The shipment was carrying more than 4,000 pounds of cargo, including food for astronauts, spare parts and an adapter built to allow future manned missions to dock at the space station.
o.o
 
2:46 PM
sounds like a typical day in Kerbal spacespace
 
how to run gulpfile.js if it's in es6? babel-node gulpfile.js runs but doesn't perform any task
 
gulp needs to support it or you need to 'build' it first with a pre-gulp step.
What extension are you using? Looks like gulp might support it: github.com/gulpjs/gulp/issues/830
gulpfile.babel.js
 
I wanted it to work transparently.
Without having to write any not ES6 code.
 
right, looks like babel can do that
it will transpile your gulpfile for you. you just need to name it gulpfile.babel.js
 
where is the explanation for that?
it's just renaming it and it will suddenly work? :p
 
2:53 PM
try it. it needs a module, but, yes.
 
but I still need to use the old require() to require babel/register
right?
 
no, ust rename file and make sure you install babel
that has the module it needs. Mine is compiling now with gulpfile.babel.js
 
Thanks it worked, I just had to install the babel module from npm.
 
Yup. It's a 'peer dependency'
 
2:57 PM
I am using gulp to compile sass files.
It's so useful
 
I am using webpack for my sass, but gulp for my non-client code.
 
3:24 PM
The comedy gold on meta is strong: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/298052/…
ah, never mind, deleted
 
3:45 PM
hey can someone help me for a Jquery problem
 
@GeorgiAntonov Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room pseudo-rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
 
to delete something, do I put an X button or a trash can button?
 
Got a problem with some JQuery scripts when opening my web app with google Chrome it works fine But in Firefox and IE some Jquery scripts does'nt where to look for that problem
 
@GeorgiAntonov who knows... maybe if you explain it someone will..
@afonsomatos X = close, trash = delete
 
its about Fadein and Fadeout
on google a Div Fades In on Firefox and IE it doesnt
 
3:48 PM
open up developer tools in Firefox and zoom in the problem @GeorgiAntonov
 
Hello!! Is someone of you familiar with Rice's theorem and with reduction?
 
@MaryStar i just read bout it on wikipedia after you asked the q, so why are you interested?
 
I want to ask something about the proof of the theorem, that uses reduction to the Halting problem. @CSᵠ
 
@MaryStar maybe @BenjaminGruenbaum would know a thing or two, but sure if he's in though
 
Ok...
@BenjaminGruenbaum Can I ask you something about the proof of Rice's theorem.
I am trying to understand it, so I have read the proof in several books and I have found it also online.

I have written what I have understood but I am not sure if the description of the TM that we construct is correct. Can you take a look at it? It is the following:
 
3:57 PM
when i enter Developer tools > WebConsole on page load 2 error appear
RangeError: invalid time zone in DateTimeFormat(): EUROPE/SOFIA
ReferenceError: startTime is not defined
 
@GeorgiAntonov there you go.
 
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@GeorgiAntonov Please don't post unformatted code - hit Ctrl+K before sending, and see the faq. For posting large code blocks, use a paste site like gist.github.com, hastebin.com or pastie.org
 
@MaryStar maybe this would help:
 
4:30 PM
Weird css effect: jsfiddle.net/fzndodgx/1
it just looks overall weird.
Why does the left and right border are "inverted" ?
Notice the blue border is on the pink side and vice-versa.
!!afk cinema
I'd really like to know why that happens, if anyone knows anything about it
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum i thought you might be able to steer @MaryStar more into what she needs...
dunno why :)
 
oh lol ok
 
4:46 PM
Do you maybe know if what I wrote is correct? @BenjaminGruenbaum
 
"It's oddly academic and doesn't involve jQuery. CALL @BenjaminGruenbaum!"
3
 
lol
What's up kittens?
 
Wrote some Python yesterday
getting into data warehouses
 
@SomeKittens Who` yo gonna call? :)
 
@SomeKittens Python is pretty nifty
 
5:24 PM
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@MoonOwlPrince er, what?
 
@SomeKittens Found it interesting that Tumblr would do that
 
Have a job opening?
 
found it on a random website
No
Advertising a job that way
 
That's a typical SRE description
 
5:28 PM
> Pinterest, Vimeo, Evernote, Airbnb, Uber, Twilio, Zenefits, SurveyMonkey..
 
Uhhhh you might wanna be careful with that if you're not actually intending to post spam
 
Because as it is it looks like spam. With the loose formatting and all
 
(and the referral link)
 
That too
 
5:31 PM
boltclock wb m8
 
I guess I don't see what's so unique about it shrug
I may just be too embedded in the SV bubble
 
i'm the ghost of the guy you banned
 
5:46 PM
@Abhishrek uh, maybe? The console stuff is pseudo RPC calls, it's all JSON, so that you instead of going straight to native the calls can be over the network. Depends on how much cordova lets you do (never touched it) in its plugins and how much you're willing to invest.
 
5:56 PM
Hey, guys! I would like to create a desktop HTML5 application, but don't know how to start with it, what framework to use etc.
I chose HTML5 because it is easy to design an UI in CSS. I would like to have a gallery/library like application, similiar to a movie database, where I can browse movies by different attributes, get their info, pictures, covers etc. and manage all those items (add, remove... ). It is important to be offline, so the database could be even stored in txt files. Any suggestions on how to start?
 
What platform?
 
I wanted to chose HTML to be flexible and easily available on all platforms, but first, at the moment only windows.
 
cant remember the name but theres a thing based off chromium
for making desktop applications with html5
 
I wonder if any Windows-only developers actually use WinJS despite Microsoft touting it all the time
 
node js/ node kit?
 
5:59 PM
havent heard of nodekit before but i'll check it out
oh looks like it's been renamed to nw.js
the one i was talking about is apparently called CEF so check it out if you want
 
There is also electron.atom.io
 
Yeah, that's it. But I'm here to ask which solution is the best/easiest.
I'm checking those out thanks. :)
 
mm electron looks promising
 
My concept would be similiar to popcorntime's interface if that helps.
 
@Tigris They started off with node-webkit, of which electron (linked to above) is the more up-to-date version
Since you're beginning, don't start off with that, start with just html pages you run in your browser.
Go through the regular web-dev tutorials, leave the native UI alone for some time, and when you feel like you know your way around a bit, pick it up.
 
6:06 PM
Yeah, I guess that would be easier. Ty. :)
 
also if you need to store some offline data
you might want to use localstorage
 
maybe browserify. that'll help you use it as a web page
 
@nick meh, localStorage is fine in the beginning, but you'll most likely want to abstract over it to handle large data sets or store blobs. IndexedDB is better but the API is terrible, so localForage is a good angle.
 
Also what do you think would be more suitable for a project like this? Creating it in C# or some other language as a native win app or going for the HTML5/JS
 
@Zirak good info, i haven't used localstorage for anything extensive
 
6:09 PM
@Tigris Whatever you want. It depends on whether it's a solo project or a team (do you have an existing skill base to cater to?), is it commercial or not?, do you plan to develop it for the forseeable future? etc
 
@Tigris c# isnt very cross platform :P
 
c#is, but the UI frameworks may not be as much
you can use c#. it's a valid way to go about it, but I like the HTML plan more myself.
there is gtk#, etc.
 
If it's just a thing you want to do, go with that interests you as a programmer.
 
especially for a moderny web-app style layout, html willbe easier
 
Ok, I think HTML5 will be the better, because I know less of that than of C#, and I really would like to learn it. :D
It is a home library like project only for myselft to make browsing some of my stuff on the computer easier
Yeah, also I could design better UI's with it I think
 
6:13 PM
How do i add a reference in visual studio
 
flat design is the best thing that ever happened
 
@Abhishrek Right click reference -> add reference :P
 
Nick: I totally agree. :D
Thank you guys for the help!
 
@Zirak injecting a simple javascript file that injects console sounds good to me
 
@Tigris Cross-platform? HTML5 UI all the way. If you insist on using C#, simply build your application with an embedded web server and still serve HTML5 as a UI (e.g. how things like Plex work)
 
6:15 PM
@Zirak cant you make a sub component such that you can inject a console injector that talks directly to a jsh tab :->
 
build it in C++ please
 
@RoelvanUden Making it only in HTML would be wiser then.
 
@RoelvanUden no option.
 
@Abhishrek Stop debugging :P
 
So I'm staring with a webpage for now.
 
6:16 PM
@Abhishrek You mean something which fakes a console object and transmits the arguments to somewhere?
 
@Zirak mhmm
 
@uselesschien sounds legit. (from the comments: "just an annoying little kid") XD
 
even that would be enough, for now
 
@nick I vehemently disagree
 
right now here is how i debug using cordova
 
6:17 PM
@Zirak why? its so easy
 
gulp transpiles the code -> cordova builds a windows package -> run this in visual studio to debug
 
@AwalGarg ikr, i was a ...
I still am
 
2 years later, you'll say the same I guess :P
 
@Abhishrek Use the browser. If you must run on a device, using USB debugging with Chrome and Android. WP8 and iOS can't handle web debugging very well.
 
@AwalGarg likely that, haha
 
6:18 PM
@nick I've collected and recollected my thoughts on the matter many times, but then someone pointed out that another person did it brilliantly before me: elischiff.com/blog/2015/4/7/… read this and subsequent posts
 
@RoelvanUden I know how to do that...
i wanted something which the phonegap developer app does
 
@Abhishrek There isnt anything like that :P
 
@RoelvanUden ios web debugging works just like android as far as I know
 
for all platforms though, as an injectable plugin
@RoelvanUden there is
the developer app logs the console.logs from the device on your terminal
the disadvantage is i cannot run arbitrary code from here :-/
 
@uselesschien Today I was clearing old crap. Apparently I used to write a "personal diary". Which contains my own field of mathematics employed to propose a GUT. And ranting about Indian astrologers.
 
6:20 PM
but since our best friend eval exists
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I give up on the duality argument, it's really spiralled down to each party repeating what it's said before.
 
@Abhishrek Thats the way it is.
 
@Zirak me too, kinda. It's pretty sad.
I hope Erik picks it up
 
@RoelvanUden @RoelvanUden still no references when i right click
 
@Abhishrek Why would you want to add a reference?
 
6:21 PM
Flat design is a bad idea because I'm good at it. You don't want a design scheme where I might contribute.
@Zirak What sort of big data stuff have you done?
(i.e. data warehouses, analytics, etc)
 
@AwalGarg scan them, and upload them :P
 
@SomeKittens shrug
 
ah, well, worth a shot
 
@uselesschien I tore them away :P
 
@RoelvanUden well phonegap sqlite3 plugin
 
6:23 PM
I've done stuff which handled some large quantities of data, just never classified it as "big data"
 
i want the nice cross compile option
the only way is to manually add sqlite3 to the project
 
@AwalGarg You tore away scientific papers worth umptillions? Great.. >_<
 
recreated the project things work fine now..
 
@uselesschien Pretty sure it would contain a lot more than loops than I already can think of. I am not smart enough to arrive at a GUT.
 
@AwalGarg Would've been fun to read :P
 
6:28 PM
@RoelvanUden thanks for your help it was a config error
now it works perfect :D
i can cross compile sqlite3 :D
 
@Zirak Yeah, it's pretty amorphous. I'm specifically working on data warehousing right now.
 
@Zirak I guess he has a point but he seems kind of biased. I mean, he's a professional graphic designer right?
as a developer, I like flat/material design because it's easy to come up with a concept of how you want your app to look, and you can even design it yourself
 
12 mins ago, by SomeKittens
Flat design is a bad idea because I'm good at it. You don't want a design scheme where I might contribute.
 
@SomeKittens exactly haha
 
6:47 PM
@nick Because he's a graphic designer is why you should listen to him
And as a developer with no design affinity myself, I felt that most "flat designs" are quintessentially devoid of design and meaning.
 
re:dash is pretty neat
but there's a lot of design rough edges.
 
I forgot I was working on fixing something I already fixed :(
 
^ What I did with my weekend!
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum here?
 
7:04 PM
Am I the only one who loves 2D games that make use of the kind of animation you find in cartoons such as South Park, Dragon Ball Z etc
They are addictive
 
Yes, everyone else hates those games
 
@SomeKittens why the the ID there anyway?
 
They are literally made only for you
 
@CSᵠ force of habit
it's not needed at that point
 
I have found myself unable to move away from the stick of truth
 
7:07 PM
it seems you used the force
:))
 
Games that make you feel as if you are directing your favourite cartoon using the same voices the cartoon uses as well as all the movements you see in the cartoon are awesome
 
Which (if any) CSS tools should @BadgerCat use for her website?
 
use firefox's style editor
 
damnit @rlemon! It's not even friday >.<
 
or write the firefox's style editor for chrome but that is gonna be a pain
 
7:17 PM
@AwalGarg LESS or something?
 
@copy there is a handler to expose transpilation which is incomplete. so complete it, compile and use. but no direct support as of now :(
 
LESS or SASS I guess, personally I don't care which one of those I use, all I want is variables and imports
 
And nesting
 
and mixins
 
Yeah, nesting too. Mixins I don't really use
 
7:18 PM
keep adding until you get php
 
I forgot one thing .. why does [].map(function() { return {a: 1} }) .. return a []
 
You can generate css on the fly using php.
 
because [] is empty
 
You can generate fly on the php using css
 
so no mapping takes place
 
7:20 PM
ok
 
oh.. there are no keys
 
No values
 
no nothing
JS tooling is doomed
 
So, I spent so much on a shirt that doesn't fit me. How to become thin using jQuery pls hlp.
 
@uselesschien $("* sugar").remove()
 
7:28 PM
@uselesschien jQuery is not magi... oh wait.
 
I miss maggi.
 
@AwalGarg how is using systemjs going
 
@uselesschien If it helps I spent 350 USD on a pair of snowboard boots that didn't fit and now I can't find anyone who wants to buy them. So if you find a JQuery plugin could you check if it also works on feet?
 
I just read that
 
7:32 PM
ahh
 
I can't see myself developing on FF anyway though
but faster builds would be nice
 
@ivarni $.foot.left.slice({dx:lala,dy:lala});
 
meh you just need to get started once on FF. after that it is difficult to get back to chrome but mostly people don't agree so I don't push on it :P
 
I finished converting our biggest project from a total <script> wreck to systemjs
and I watch each module (have like 30) and compile that into a bundle
but it's kinda slow
not terribly slow, but slow enough for me to not be satisfied
 
7:35 PM
what are you using to build?
 
systemjs/jspm
 
webpack and, I think, browserify will rebuild jsut what changes which speeds things up
 
@Mosho yeah I am thinking of moving to webpack maybe but jspm's flat dependency tree is truly lovable. I don't want to leave that.
 
same here
@Luggage yeah, that would be nice
 
i thin webpack's is flat, too
 
7:36 PM
@Luggage can confirm browserify also does that
 
@Luggage jspm uses babel which does the same for transpilation
 
wow
working iwth pouch db
has taught me so much about dbs themselves -_-
 
@Luggage it uses it's own folder structure for npm/gh packages
 
ohh, i see
 
so no nested node_modules
 
7:38 PM
webpack plucks what it needs form node_modules
 
@AwalGarg well, it doesn't build just what changes, does it?
@Luggage node_modules becomes an unmanagable mess
and fucks windows in the ass
which I regrettably use for development
 
not on windows
 
@Mosho not really sure so can't say
 
it just builds the whole thing again
if it could just inject the updated script in the right place in the bundle
that would speed things up significantly
 
See if the build-module-thing has any built-in watch functionality. We screwed up with grunt browserify and watch making everything rebuild on every change, then found out there was a "watch" option for the browserify module and using that rather than grunt-watch took buildtime down from 8s to <1s
 
7:42 PM
the problem is not windows (I don't use it). it irritates me that the most popular package manager for js resolves and installs dependencies recursively which is completely stupid.
 
@uselesschien loljs
 
oh @Mosho I saw that you wanted to try devving on linux. So it won't interrupt your work, I can suggest running some "easier" (or rather, more friendly) distro like Debian or Fedora or Mageia off of VMWare. Your computer is probably decent+ (at least 8gb mem and at least i5), so you can give it good specs, and while I like VirtualBox more, VMWare has a really neat Unity Mode feature. Give it a shot if you'd like.
 
@ivarni my watches do what they should
and jspm doesn't have watches afaik
 
npm was meant for server code, where recursive makes more sense
 
@Zirak last time I tried vmware it wasn't too smooth, but I can give it a shot
 
7:46 PM
but that's why tools like webpack only care about dependecies in the root of node_modules
 
And the shirt that fits has a missing button dependency :( fml
 
@uselesschien why do you need a shirt? just wrap a newspaper or something
 
buy a shirt from bewakoof.com
 
@Mosho It should come down to what specs you give the guest and what you expect of it, play around a bit until it's satisfactory
 
7:49 PM
@Zirak does unity mode let me share my files?
 
Or just use Vagrant..
 
@Mosho That's a separate feature, which you can of course have. There's file and clipboard sharing, plus the VM can be on the same subnet as you.
 
I was looking at vagrant the other day
someone suggested it
 
@uselesschien What does that have to do with setting up a vm for one time use?
Or rather, for playing around with the possibility of such a vm?
 
7:51 PM
@Zirak I thought the same
but it looks nice for cross-browser
we use crossbrowsertesting.com
which is manure
 
I need to write code but I am tired
gonna sleep. cya peeps.
 
what to do about finger pain problems ?
 
hallo
 
@AwalGarg good night
 
hi @rlemon .. howz new home treating ya :P
 
7:54 PM
like its bitch
 
@rlemon o/
 
Red leader, signing in.
 
@Zirak also, can you suggest a tool that will show me what I have been missing all these years?
 
@Zirak Easier file sharing
You can share from any vm.. me dumb
 
@uselesschien Vagrant sits on top of virtualbox, so it saves you learning how to share files at the cost of learning how to use vagrant.
@Mosho You're already wearing glasses
 
7:56 PM
Forgot how intimidating this chat is
 
@Zirak and a thong
what's your point?
 
@Mosho That I don't understand your question
 
@argentum47 That hulka is an accurate representation of how I look, so I'm going to buy that.
 
like, why is developing in linux better
 
cool
 
7:58 PM
@Mosho Why do you say it is better?
 
I'm not, I'm trying to find out
I'm comparing to windows though, and that would be the consensus
 
@Mosho I would say Unix-like vs Windows? It depends on what you are programming for
 
web
and .net :P but mostly web
 
MIIIIIIIIIIIIINT
 
@Mosho Windows
 
7:59 PM
AAAAAAAAAARCH
 
@Polyducks You're about to die
 

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