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9:00 PM
@SterlingArcher right? I hope that site gets out of beta, it has awesome stuff.
If you have any interest in (semi-)hard fantasy or scifi, it's super useful.
I still want to, eventually, write some fiction in a fantasy universe, but rather than creating a setting, lay down a few differences in physics and then estimate how the setting would have evolved.
 
It could also be buffering of some sort
 
Hey-o
@Zirak Do you want/need an invite to keybase.io ?
 
@monners oh, saw that, and didn't get the point
 
'Cause crypto is fun?
 
Why would I trust keybase to host keys?
 
9:03 PM
@Zirak Because your tinfoil hat isn't what it used to be?
 
Because all .io domains are trustworthy
 
If I'm using PGP, my tinfoil hat is at 11 already :P
 
It's the British Indian Ocean Territory after all
Despite not being inhabited after the depopulation of Chagossians from the Chagos Archipelago
 
Basically, what stops keybase from collaborating with the NSA/MI6/KGB/Voldemort? Are their servers audited regularly? Do they get pentested? By whom? If all encryption/decryption is done via keybase, what stops a MitM?
 
@Zirak don't
I mean, host public keys, not private ones
 
9:09 PM
Of course not. But from their examples, it looks like every decrypt/encrypt goes to their servers to get the public key. That reeks of a single point of vulnerability.
 
and you don't trust keybase. Keybase is just a hub that aggregates links to twitter/github/etc
and keybase just checks these sources
but you can still check these sources yourself
 
Then maybe I didn't understand what it does correctly, I'll look again
 
@Zirak ^
this is the proof that I'm fmargaine on keybase, and what my public key is
it still relies on the web of trust
it just makes it easier
 
What stops keybase from publishing whatever they want on that gist?
 
it doesn't have access to it
 
9:11 PM
How did that gist get created? Did you fill in the blanks?
 
yeah
actually, no
it gave me something to paste
I just copy pasted the message
 
@FlorianMargaine looks interesting
 
It may spin the tinfoil hat to 18, but what if they planted their own key in that message?
 
Can has invite?
 
@Zirak the public key part is the only "weird" part to check
@SecondRikudo email?
 
9:13 PM
That means they can decrypt everything you seemingly encrypted with keybase encrypt
 
@Zirak you don't have to use keybase encrypt.
that said, it's a node app... checking the source is easy.
 
And someone going keybase decrypt also grabs the planted key, so you won't know the difference unless one manually takes the key and decrypts via some other mechanism
 
again, you don't have to use keybase for these
 
@FlorianMargaine Of course, but I'm questioning keybase as a package
@FlorianMargaine The problem isn't in the client, it's in the server they run. How do I trust the keybase server to encrypt/decrypt with my key?
 
@Zirak you encrypt/decrypt locally
 
9:16 PM
Or in other words, not trust the keybase server
 
use gpg locally
keybase is only there to extend the web of trust to your social accounts
 
In which case you can just dump your public key in a gist
 
yep. And in a twitter account. And on my domain.
 
So I don't get it
 
it's just a central place to check these accounts
@SecondRikudo I still don't have your email.
 
9:17 PM
@FlorianMargaine Was trying to figure out a way to PGP encrypt it with your public
But meh
 
@Zirak if all I have is your github account, and I want to send you an encrypted message, how can I?
@SecondRikudo sent
 
Got it, thanks
 
@Zirak other example. I've gpg signed my releases on github, how do you check them with just the info on my github? (well, iirc, my email is public, but assume it's not.)
 
@FlorianMargaine So you're saying it's just a page with links to several domains (which you trust the intersection of). ok, as long as, again, you don't trust the server to encrypt/decrypt.
 
@Zirak yes.
@Zirak I don't trust the intersection.
the intersection just sends me to each link, I can check them myself
but keybase does check them for you, if you want.
it's quite explicit on not giving up your trust
 
9:21 PM
I mean, which you can look at the different links, see they're equivalent, and trust that not every website there is co-operating with surveillance agencies.
 
I've created a short survey to get a rough idea of when people use chat: goo.gl/forms/pIa8Igb5Ry
5
 
What's up with the surveys?
 
It's my first survey!
 
@Shmiddty "what days are you usually active" shouldn't be a radio group :)
 
9:25 PM
oopsy. Fixed
 
Why didn't you create your own survey script? Using an existing solution sounds way too simple
 
@Zirak this is what I'm currently attempting. jsh.zirak.me/31iwh
ofc it doesn't work :P
the .on('data' bits never fire
 
@Shmiddty the "login/logout" times aren't really accurate
 
that's fine
 
I mean, I login at 9am, leave at 12am, come back at 2pm, leave at 6pm, then come back from 10pm to 11pm
if I put 9am->11pm...
there's like a 6h gap...
 
9:30 PM
make a 7x24 grid of checkboxes for when we're active
 
@FlorianMargaine
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Version: GnuPG v1

hQEMA+0FTUhFMPopAQf9Hy9lAcS5uOHPuoLF2FpXMZFXD64U9yW2tT1S440JLQ5h
Q+1Epe1DufaS45NwuWm2hHKg6C+ZLevcoxPyWuHt55v92dwec3/Qb36OoXX3DUVL
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34xnENtZUBK9EBVMhM2XY2ryE09+RW7WtazFEjooERhpbqVf4MMEru8yIVjvIztk
 
@rlemon okay, let's trick it
 
@FlorianMargaine Put 9am to 6pm
 
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Version: GnuPG v1

hQEMA/FjCny1wfnwAQf+P6oOG9jTdbYt/bJUcd/Eu0E39aYncIOCHYCjcbxilksL
eAaxBcqkILKKoi6R3qObS1P9HskBTzORe2MIA0qHvwDL3nLR9bC+FxXLkEWWgHNF
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zTabrJvsFSmw/t5ZCmm/kAW7pLQaKVyaFlWLNABRLvMEvfc0CmdnVP3k5TWGsYkx
@SecondRikudo ^
 
@FlorianMargaine Awesome, got it :)
 
9:38 PM
cool. Love your dick pics.
 
that looks like a stream of random characters...
unless @SecondRikudo's dick is part of The Matrix
 
@ssube Not a terrible idea
 
@ssube Great, that's the point.
 
9:39 PM
> Good encryption is indistinguishable from noise
 
@SecondRikudo I know, that served no purpose but leading up to the joke.
 
@ssube and it's an ascii output...
gpg encrypts in binary by default
 
@SecondRikudo Or, in this case, dick pics
 
@Zirak tty.js doesn't build for me :(
 
at the end of the day, isn't everything really binary?
 
9:40 PM
you have to pass the --armor argument to gpg
 
@rlemon It's not tty.js, tty is a builtin module
 
oooooo
ok
FYI there is a tty.js
it shows up all over the google results.
stupid google
 
@rlemon the pronunciation of that must be really unfortunate...
 
@Zirak I still get nothing back
give me one minute to show you what I see when I use screen
 
Of course do the initial write of something
Yeah I know screen does something different with ttys, dunno what though
 
9:42 PM
when I run screen, afterwards i'm on a blank interface (very much like yours)
hitting return sends login: on the stdout for screen
not for what you wrote
 
-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----
Version: GnuPG v1

                                      hepathoft
                                  herighteousmanisb
                              esetonallsidesbytheiniqu
                      itiesoftheselfi           shandthe
                   tyrannyofevil                  men.Ble
                 ssedishewho,int                   hename
                 ofcharityandgood                   will,
                 shepherdsth eweakt    hroughtheva  lleyo
                 fdarkness,forheistr ulyhisbrother's keep
@Zirak ^
Yup, indistinguishable from noise.
 
I dunno, try hitting two newlines? Buffering? Sun spots?
tbh I'd try and open it up with python or whatever, something with synchronous and stupid i/o, and try debugging from there
@SecondRikudo SAY NOISE AGAIN
 
@Zirak WHAT? I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER ALL THIS NOISE, WHAT WERE YOU SAYING?
 
user1596138
@SecondRikudo Except you'd have to reformat it...
 
9:49 PM
@rlemon You've got me curious though. Any way I could get some access to B to play? Not today, leaving in a few, but in a few days.
 
@Zirak yup. I can isolate them I think
 
@Jhawins You don't have to "reformat" dickbutt.
 
GPG will reformat itself according to dickbutt.
 
@Zirak yea I didn't know what you meant by that so I just moved on. ten minutes and I can go home and watch MASH and drink beer
fuck today
 
9:50 PM
m'kay
 
thinking aloud, if I could get pty.js to work, I could make screen think i'm a terminal and then I should be able to listen for data from that and write to that
probably wouldn't work, but I'm thinking...
 
Or instead of abusing screen, figure out how to talk to that tty
 
user1596138
@SecondRikudo totes do lol
 
user1596138
Are you calling me dickbutt?
 
I've worked with a lot of routers. sometimes you gotta send a newline like five times before you get the login over serial
 
9:53 PM
I have a haskell brainfart, can anyone look at some code?
I swear to god
If someone !!welcomes me, I'm kicking them..
 
lol
 
...then why did you ask?
 
omg... I just realized I'm a lurker
 
-- Function
oneTwoThreesSum 1 = 1
oneTwoThreesSum 2 = 2
oneTwoThreesSum 3 = 4
oneTwoThreesSum n = oneTwoThreesSum (n - 1) + oneTwoThreesSum (n - 2) + oneTwoThreesSum (n - 3)

-- Zip

zipped = 0:1:2:4:zipWith3 (\x y z -> x+y+z) zipped (tail zipped) (tail (tail zipped))
These two return different results, not sure why.
> map oneTwoThreesSum [1..10]
[1,2,4,7,13,24,44,81,149,274]
> take 10 $ tail zipped
[1,2,4,3,7,9,14,19,30,42]
Where in that code am I a retard?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum 0+1+2 = 3
(Just guessing here, I don't actually know haskall)
 
9:57 PM
Yeah, if I remove the 0 they align, why would it get to 0 and not take 4,2 and 1 though?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum If I read this correctly, you're taking the first three elements in the series, and adding them
Advancing one step each time
 
This is like fibonacci but 3 elements back basically.
Here's fib with zipWith to compare:
 
So you end up adding 3 numbers two steps behind, instead of one
 
let fib = 0:1:zipWith (+) fib (tail fib)
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Yes, but in your example, you have 4 elements, and you call zipWith3
 
9:59 PM
Yeah, but why would it take 0:1:2 and not 1:2:4?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Beats me, why would it take 1:2:4 and not 0:1:2?
 
Because it looks 3 elements back
 
@Zirak you around tomorrow?
 
@rlemon Hopefully
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Or maybe it looks at the first 3 elements.
 
10:03 PM
if you can make yourself available to help me tomorrow while i'm still at work that would be the cats pajamas. If we can get it working I pay for your time (don't argue, buy pizza)
 
@SecondRikudo yeah my order is just off I think.
 
(Again, totally guessing here :D)
 
> let fib = 0:0:1: zipWith (+) (tail fib) (fib)
> take 10 fib
[0,0,1,0,1,1,1,2,2,3]
 
Yeah, looks like it takes the first two elements here, and kicks off from there
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum It doesn't look back, it "overlays" the list with a "shifted" (first element skipped) version of the list
 
10:05 PM
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@copy yeah, and I shifted the wrong way - that's the brainfart.
Thanks and thanks @SecondRikudo
wow how did I get 225 rep today I barely touched SO :O
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum and @ircmaxell: You may like twitter.com/swiftonsecurity (with gems like twitter.com/swiftonsecurity/status/466385278702452736)
 
been following that account for a while
 
@Zirak know what I just noticed?
 
You have dangly bits?
 
10:11 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum supports SERN! (see his website on his profile)
 
WAT
 
...let's hope the divergence meter is >1%
 
Or so be it the choice of Steins;Gate
 
10:13 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum SERN is the major antagonist organization in Steins;Gate, it's based on real-life CERN, whose website you have linked in your profile
 
With their IBN 5100 :P
 
They complete time travel and dominate the world. They also prevent the baking of cookies.
 
Is that one of your hippy things?
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@SecondRikudo Just finished watching the show again with my female horse-masked friend. Thought it'd be easier the second time around. It wasn't.
 
@Zirak :) Heh, I bet she was horrified
Although there are serieses with a lot harder scenes (feels-wise)
 
10:16 PM
She loved it too. We're watching FMA next.
 
\o/
Not sure how many times I mentioned it, but do not watch the first series before Brotherhood.
 
She watched some of it before, said it'll be perfect retribution to what I did to her with Evangelion and Steins;Gate
 
Unless you never want to sleep again.
I made that mistake once.
once
 
@SecondRikudo That's what she said. No, really. She said that. She watched the first season (or whatever it was), said it sucked, and that I (we) should start with Brotherhood.
@BenjaminGruenbaum Neat!
 
@Zirak It didn't suck as much as it's much less... gentle... than Brotherhood.
Also the first series is almost completely filler
@BenjaminGruenbaum That's pretty awesome
@Zirak give me a ping after the first few episodes. You'll know which few episodes I mean.
 
10:20 PM
gulp
oh and she has a birthday today (or tomorrow, or yesterday, 4/3)
 
10:34 PM
static1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110407152343/memoryalpha/en/… @rlemon can you add some benjamin in this ?
 
user1596138
Is providing a userscript for a functionality someone asked for on Meta and was totally ignored on acceptable?
 
user1596138
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Q: Allow embedded HTML5 YouTube video

Denilson SáCurrently, this site embeds YouTube videos as Flash. (see an example: Hidden areas in Portal 2 single player campaign?) However, this is not the best solution, as now YouTube also supports HTML5, and some users (like me!) prefer to use HTML5 player instead of Flash. Supposedly, it should also wo...

 
user1596138
specifically this
 
oh sure, that's perfectly fine
 
user1596138
10:42 PM
As an answer or a comment?
 
user1596138
Been 3 damn years lol I'm surprised they never changed it
 
@Jhawins Yeah
 
@argentum47 @darkyen00 @SomeGuy you have to see this: govindtiwari.blogspot.in
 
Well, in all fairness, Java makes plenty of people cry. — Sterling Archer 6 secs ago
what a question.
 
rolls eyes
 
10:55 PM
rolls lemons
 
@AwalGarg WHERE DO I PAY???
 
@AwalGarg We've laughed our asses off some years ago on discovering this
Pretty much everyone in the room got suspended because we spammed his blinking gifs
 
@Zirak did you roll her eyes?
 
@Zirak damn I only got to hear about it today
@SecondRikudo xD
 
@AwalGarg You're one of today's lucky 10,000
 
10:57 PM
@Zirak I read it! I read it!
 
ugh that website hurt me
 
trying something different
 
@Zirak are you interested in github.com/Ralt/aeon or do you want me to stop bothering you with updates?
 
@FlorianMargaine kinda like fiddler or something? looks cool
 
yeah, like fiddler, except it works on linux
 
11:01 PM
fiddler works on linux too... well, now it does
 
@FlorianMargaine I am interested, and it's mindboggling that you actually did it, just been having a backlog and not enough time. So sorry for not replying saying it's awesome, it's awesome!
 
@Zirak did I thank you already for recommending that 7 weeks book? If not, thanks! :D
 
I'm at the part where I'm about being able to block all requests then releasing them
 
@Shmiddty why don't the messages line up?
 
any datatables people here?
 
11:02 PM
then I have to implement "modifying" the requests
 
@Victor Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room pseudo-rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
 
@AwalGarg Enjoy
 
then making it work row-by-row instead of all requests at once
and I'm having fun with qt & lisp :)
 
crl
!!Should I back up some jsbin scripts in case they lose their data?
 
@crl No
 
11:03 PM
although the code is starting to get ugly. So I'll have to refactor.
 
@FlorianMargaine You just love this thingy, don't you?
 
@Zirak well it's like sprintf :P
very useful at times
especially to transform lists/stuff to a string
(format nil "~{~A~^ ~}" '(1 2 3)) will return the string "1 2 3"
 
crl
!!Are Lisp and Haskell hieroglyph?
 
@crl Not a chance
 
(the ~^ means "print a space after each item, except after the last one")
(the ~{~A~} means "print every item of the list using ~A")
and ~A is similar to %s in printf
 
crl
11:07 PM
How do you actually print "~"?
 
so yeah, it's pretty nice... nicer than reduce imho
@crl ~~
 
crl
hehe ok
 
oh god, am I completely missing something with this promise?
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Q: Cannot catch promise's errors using Bluebird

Ralph WiggumI am having trouble trying to catch an error thrown within a Bluebird Promise on Node.js. In my library, I have this function: createSSHConnection: function(options) { return new Promise(function(resolve, reject) { var c = new Connection(); c .on('error', function(err)...

 
you never resolve it
return c should be resolve(c)
or something
also you don't use try/catch
you do
promise().then().catch(function(err) { } );
why your inner .catches are not working. no clue
the outer try bothers me so much tho
:D
 
haha, the outer try was just because I couldn't understand why none of the inner catches weren't working
 
11:18 PM
> // does stuff, then calls up resolve/reject
nvm my earlier comment, I saw // and glazed over it
 
Is there a possibility you resolve, and then receive the error event, then reject?
 
> console.log('oh look, an error!', err);
 
@Zirak no
 
does this log?
 
a promised is resolved or rejected only once
 
11:19 PM
@rlemon it doesn't log
 
I dunno how bluebird handles this
 
then the Connection doesn't throw an error
so why would it be rejected
I don't see this being a promise issue
 
@FlorianMargaine Hence my question. If he calls both resolve and reject, what happens?
 
@Zirak the first one will be used
 
it doesn't resolve though :\
 
11:20 PM
process.on('uncaughtException', function (err) {
    console.log(err);
});
because it stops the execution of your code
nothing runs past the error
 
@FlorianMargaine That's what I remembered. What about a regularly thrown exception after resolution?
 
@Zirak this should be in a try/catch I think. I think.
 
got a beer, time to put on some M*A*S*H
 
I'm out too, been here too long
 
11:22 PM
!!> (() => new Promise((r, j) => { r(4); throw new Error(2; }).then(s => console.log(s)).catch(e => console.log(e))
 
@Zirak "SyntaxError: missing ) after argument list"
 
noob
 
@Zirak I don't think it will be caught
 
meh but you got my point
 
i'm using angular to filter data via a drop down list, but i can't seem to order the filtered results . Can someone take a look ? Here's the URL: ogmda.com/symbols . Sort by "Color Only" and you will see only the results with the color set to "true" is shown, but how would I further arrange it so it is alphabeticalized using the "title" column?
would i add an "orderBy" again for taht particular value?
 
11:30 PM
I think my promise just rejected and resolved. wut.
I moved the 'catch' above the 'then' and it calls both functions now
I think I'm going to just melt into a puddle
 
@redshift the docs have a good example of this docs.angularjs.org/api/ng/filter/orderBy
 
@GarrettKadillak will read again, thanks
 
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is the problem that some values aren't necessarily there?
thus the truthy check?
 
@GarrettKadillak let me check
looks like all booleans are there
im essentially just trying to figure out how to further refine the sorted list
maybe I can add an expression to the drop down list like so: {{item.color | orderBy='title'}}
 
11:39 PM
Can you sort like that?
 
we'll find out
 
ah yes that would be one way to do it
give that a shot
 
@GarrettKadillak humm ok this prevented my data from loading: <option value="{{item.color | orderBy='title'">Color Only</option>
is my syntax right?
 
should be a colon instead of an equals
 
doh
 
11:44 PM
did that work?
 
<option value="{{item.color | orderBy:'title'">Color Only</option>
no
let me try something real quick
oops notice i forgot to close the xpress with }}
 
haha classic
didn't catch that
 
@Loktar Unity 5 released
now it all makes sense
 
yeah saw that
well GDC is going on
so everyone is making their announcements
 
@GarrettKadillak no luck. Since I removed the 'color' value from the drop down, it doesn't know what is meant by 'color' anymore...so the ng-f directive doesn't work any longer
 

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