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10:00 PM
People have an affinity for brand names. Consumer Reports say Beats aren't very good
 
@copy well, I think contributing to open source projects is something everybody wants to do
 
!!afk if you have jQuery questions @AwalGarg said he wanted more experience answering them. ping @AwalGarg with all jQuery related content.
 
From Consumer Reports: You're probably paying more for the Beats name, especially for models without active noise cancellation. In almost almost every category there are lower-priced models that offer the same, and sometimes better, sound quality. So if sound quality is your only consideration, choose one of those models rather than a Beats set.
 
Aside from massive gym damage I very much loved all the Beats headphones I had
 
@taco Beats aren't bad, they are very bassy. If you turn the sub up normally, they sound just fine.
 
10:00 PM
@SterlingArcher I've read articles about this (blind tests), and I used to work in a recording studio, so I also have tested lots of headphones
 
never said they were bad
 
@FlorianMargaine Not me (generally yes, but not at this time)
 
it just sounds like they're overpriced
 
oh, they are
 
"But in almost every category of consumer goods, there are some brands that command a higher price because they have developed an allure that transcends their component costs, Apple being an obvious example. If design, aesthetics, and personal identification with a brand are important to you as a consumer, then Beats headphones may well be worth the extra money, provided you find their sonic signature compatible with the style of music you most enjoy"
 
10:01 PM
They're stylish, which adds to the cost
 
Most of Beats headphones we tested can deliver very good to excellent sound, so you'll have to determine whether the value of these other elements are commensurate with the price you're being asked to pay."
 
Show me a pair of wireless gym headphones that have wicked quality and aren't $200
 
@taco yes, it's the conclusion of every sound profesionnal (sonud engineer) : they are not bad, but they have similar sound quality to $50 other brands
 
(seriously, I would very muhc not like to spend $200)
 
I dont know. I just use my iPod earbuds
 
10:02 PM
iPod earbuds suck.
 
I'm 37, my hearing is starting to go anyways
 
You really do hear the difference in 200$
 
My headphones are frayed where the cord meets the headset, and one of the ear cushions is nearly gone
 
@SterlingArcher wirelss + sound quality ? ...
 
I'm gonna need new ones eventually
 
10:03 PM
..?
 
@Basj bluetooth is pretty good at transmitting in decent quality, the sound is really just limited by power
 
@KendallFrey do you have a gimpy ear or something
 
@KendallFrey on my over the ear headphones, the cable was aux'd on both ends so if the cable goes bad you can just replace the cable and not the whole thing
 
@ssube no, bluetooth is very bad if you aim at sound quality.
 
I like those
 
10:04 PM
I can bluetooth to my car and you can hear all sorts of high stuff from the tweeters
 
@taco wat
 
Can't tell much getting lost
 
I don't know why the cushion went, maybe because I always hang it on the edge of my desk
 
@KendallFrey lol I was joking based on your headphone only being worn out on one ear
 
@ssube yes but high frequencies are much lossy
 
10:05 PM
Just started coding Java OTJ with no experience. Gotta say it's a bitch so far
 
I love how through all of this, nobody suggested me a better headphone
 
I want to shoot myself in the head
 
@SterlingArcher ebay.com/sch/…
 
@Basj Much more or much less? It has good quality across everything.
 
@SomeKittens lol in the URL is says pro broken I was like wtf
 
10:06 PM
Using bluetooth for other stuff and it starts to skip, but just music and it's damn good.
 
@ssube I mean : high frequencies sound like (very)lossy compression (if you only focus on high frequencies)
 
Wireless is basically a must. I run, I lift, and my headphone cable very much often gets in the the way or yanks my headphones out
Especially in the deadlift and running
 
@SterlingArcher ...that's odd.
 
Are there many noise-cancelling headphones with an option to turn off noise cancelling (or even reinforce noise)?
 
"x52 pro broken" is a previous search of mine
 
10:08 PM
O.o
 
That would be cool, so I can have good quality and the ability to hear people
 
@KendallFrey Yeah, friend of mine has Bose earbuds that do that
 
Why did it end up in your URL?
 
@SterlingArcher I have no clue
 
10:09 PM
@SomeKittens ew, not earbuds
@SterlingArcher Google does that too
 
@KendallFrey Bose also has regular headphones that do the same
 
@KendallFrey I tested a few at Best Buy that let you power on/off noise cancelling
 
@KendallFrey The search I performed to get that link was "headphones"
 
I've posted several google links
I wonder if any had porn searches in them xD
google.com/what+do+crocs+eat?history=weird+kinky+shit
 
@SomeKittens Any that aren't stupid expensive?
 
10:10 PM
that would be hilarious
 
@SterlingArcher Trying to find porn by searching for "weird kinky shit"? Yes, that would be
If anything, you'll get... well... I'll let you determine that
 
WELL IM NOT GONNA POST A REAL PORN SEARCH I WOULD DO
Or am i. :O
 
or are you
 
@KendallFrey nope
Calm down, Abishek
 
Plot twist: You don't have any fetishes, and nobody cares about your porn searches.
 
10:12 PM
jokes on you, I dont even porn
@SomeKittens lmao
 
@SterlingArcher liar
3 mins ago, by Sterling Archer
I wonder if any had porn searches in them xD
 
@KendallFrey Turns out that comes up with some really boring results.
 
Ohhh you caught me
 
It's all cosmo articles and shit.
 
@ssube lol that clarification though...
 
10:13 PM
@ssube did you ever get around to that email?
 
@ssube Probably because Google doesn't activate "porn mode" until you use clear explicit language. Try Bing
 
wait... clarification might not be the right word
 
@SomeKittens I read it, but haven't had a chance to reply. Definitely will be, though, it sounds interesting.
 
@KendallFrey to be fair, google image search "wat" yielded me at least 3 penises
 
@ssube Awesome, looking forward to it
 
10:15 PM
I wonder what my coworker would think if I told him his beloved search engine is known to be good for porn.
 
Ugh, can't find a worth CoC raid :(
 
Sterling jerks off to our avatars
:/
 
@SomeKittens Need to get up to speed on angular, tho. Familiar with everything else.
We use backbone at work mostly, so never messed with angular much.
 
@ssube That's only if you want to work on the frontend
 
Eugh, backbone.
 
10:17 PM
The baculum is the best bone
 
We have separate teams (that work closely, mind you)
 
@taco you caught me red-handed
 
eww
 
!!s/red/white/
 
( Í¡° ͜ʖ Í¡°)
 
10:20 PM
i might have to go act soon... I hope they don't make me
 
Do you know any good website explaining the differences between the lots of many different OpenSources license (MIT, Apache, GPL, etc.)
I have found lots of very (legal) technical articles...
 
@taco interesting, but I'd need help on which one to choose. Which one do you usually take for your own projects ?
 
That page links to choosealicense.com which helps you pick.
I personally just look up the license I want to use right before I release something
 
10:24 PM
@KendallFrey lol
 
@KendallFrey loooong vacation.
 
echo "<button onclick='javascript:ajaxCall(" . $row['id'] . ")'>button</button>"
D:
 
@FlorianMargaine Maybe for a 26-year-old, but not a 14-year-old
 
I try to spread my seed in every state or country I visit
 
@taco thanks!
 
10:27 PM
for m--------------?
np
 
dat awkward silence
 
Sorry Basj, seriously though, you are welcome
Can't believe that guy posted a pic of his mom in a bikini on Reddit
 
Oy o/
 
oi
 
Does any of the Nexus 5 users here experience a FREAKING AWEFULL EXPENSIVE use of the battery since Android 5.0?
It drives me crazy. The phone asks to be plugged in every freaking 24hours
 
10:40 PM
Just spilled coffee everywhere!
@dievardump Installed it a few hours ago
 
I installed it yesteray morning, since I had to plug it two times because of < 15% battery
 
@taco wat?
 
I'm preety upset, I can't plugg that shitty thing every 24 hours, that's not me
 
@SterlingArcher
 
Uhhh
Lotta questions.
 
10:42 PM
yesss, my Java compiles and doesn't thrown an exception
 
^ wait until run-time exceptions. those are fun
 
NullPointerException
 
I've been laughing intermittently for the past 10 minutes.
 
YEAH.
 
@SomeKittens 100% coverage sucks
 
@FlorianMargaine Yeah, which is why we're aiming for 80
 
@eazimmerman SCIENCE
 
@SomeKittens so... not gonna write any tests for a while? :P
 
I had smithsonian mag as my homepage for a while. Great stuff.
 
10:49 PM
@taco surface tension
 
@FlorianMargaine Long while to go. That's just coverage for the new stuff I just wrote.
 
overall coverage is....sad
Statements: 37.39% (1142 / 3054) Branches: 19.16% (183 / 955) Functions: 26.67% (212 / 795) Lines: 38.22% (1127 / 2949
 
@SomeKittens What's your setup (tests, coverage, linting, etc) like?
 
@Zirak Tests: Unit: Karma/Mocha/Chai/Sinon, e2e: Protractor. Coverage: Istanbul (really annoying to set up w/ Browserify). Linting: JSHint.
All of the above are run through grunt, with the exception of Protractor
 
10:51 PM
heh. i said "taco surface tension"
 
which has a grunt task, but I'm lazy and made an alias to the real thing
that what you were looking for?
 
@SomeKittens Kinda, yes, thanks.
I'm mournfully beginning to work on bigger shit, and I want pretty numbers to back me up when something goes wrong
So starting to waddle into deeper water than "eh, I'll throw in a couple of tests and shit"
 
@SomeKittens did you hear of Flow by Facebook?
 
@taco Yes, not terribly excited.
@Zirak Yep - good things to have.
 
ok, I was curious since I don't work with Javascript much.
 
10:54 PM
Testing stuff like databases will be odd
 
Tests also save my sanity between releases
 
@Zirak You really shouldn't be "Testing databases" - use mocks.
 
Some say you don't want to test databases, you mock it
you type too fast
 
@SomeKittens 'course, that's the plan
 
Any hints as to what the bigger things are, or are they for work?
 
10:59 PM
Work stuff, but it's starting to leak out into personal projects. I've recently decided that my life thus far has been a lie and am trying to come up with new techniques. These things fit nicely with getting out of my comfort zone.
 
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Q: What is causing the separation of light in this image?

Shmiddty I have also observed this phenomenon on my mobile phone and on a tablet. I assume this means it is somehow related to backlit screens. The further the light source from the screen, the more separation that is observed. Each distinct reflection appears to be the result of a prism with imperc...

 
For instance, try writing something without using this.
 
@Zirak Good for you! (not sarcastic)
 
@Zirak I challenge myself to not give up on people
 
When some more bot code is published you'll see what I'm striving for.
 
11:04 PM
@Shmiddty Yeah, that's a little far-fetched.
 
@SomeKittens It can be frustrating. Sometimes I'll be having a conversation with someone and they'll say something so ignorant, so matter-of-factly, I think "do you really think this way?" So I challenge myself to speak in a way that will allow them to answer that question without getting defensive and turning away from the topic.
which is hard
very difficult
when you have no idea what steps led to a person believing something
 
Exactly - I don't suffer fools gladly.
I have better things to do with my time than bash my head against the wall of some fool's long-held (read: immutable) beliefs.
 
@Shmiddty heh, that's a challenge
 
Usually said belief is "I'm the greatest" and people don't take kindly to anything that indicates otherwise.
 
11:09 PM
@SomeKittens And yet you continue to acknowledge me...
 
i have a query on data encapsulation with an example program.
can i ask?
 
@SomeKittens My goal is for people to everyone to be able to understand eachother's points of view, even if they don't agree with them. So long as they realize that they aren't trying to hurt eachother, they can get along.
 
!!welcome overexchange
 
@overexchange Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room pseudo-rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
 
I think eachother should be one word.
 
11:10 PM
The trick is to find a bunch of people that don't have their ego tied up in their work
 
2 mins ago, by SomeKittens
Usually said belief is "I'm the greatest" and people don't take kindly to anything that indicates otherwise.
So yep.
 
@CapricaSix my code example is a small program in java but not javascript.
 
In a case between "understanding another's point of view" and "not understanding another's point of view", no contest. Virtually everyone can pull that off, even if they need help.
@overexchange If it's not JavaScript, why ask here?
 
@SomeKittens because the query is on OOP concept encapsulation and nothing specific to java
 
@monners I'm talking about the entire human species.
 
11:12 PM
In the case between "not understanding another's point of view" and "acknowledging that I may not be the greatest", I find most people take the former point.
 
Should be able to get along.
 
@Shmiddty That may not be possible. Citation: all of human history.
 
@overexchange Though nothing specific to Javascript, either.
 
@Shmiddty There are literally billions of other planets. if you don't like Earth you can get out.
 
@SomeKittens We've made improvements... I think people forget to look at the present when they're comparing it to the past.
 
11:13 PM
yes
 
@monners *getting out left as an exercise for the reader
 
yes, that's the joke.
 
@monners Exactly. I love the earth so much that I want to help fix its problems, instead of leaving. :P
I mean, I would love to explore space, but I'd want to come back and share everything that I saw
 
@Retsam Does javascript follow OOP paradigm or prototypical paradigm? i was assuming it follows OOP paradigm
 
Sorry, I've got a bit of a romantic viewpoint on the human species. We're very tenacious.
 
11:16 PM
@overexchange Depends on the programmer generally, but it leans more prototypical.
 
@Retsam so can i ask a query on OOP concept Data encapsulation with the given example?
 
@overexchange You can ask, but there's no guarantee anyone's going to answer.
 
@Shmiddty step one: Convince this guy that tests are a good thing for the codebase. Challenge: Writing tests indicates that his code isn't perfect the first time around, and thus he isn't the greatest.
 
let me try, this is the below simple code, what is data encapsulation in the below code?
 
!!define query
 
11:18 PM
@SomeKittens [query](http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki?curid=73028) A question or inquiry.
The teacher answered the student's query concerning biosynthesis.
 
class SuperType {
    private int item;
    public void setItem(int item){
        this.item = item;
    }
    public int getItem(){
        return item;
    }
}

public class SubType extends SuperType{
    public static void main(String[] args){
        SubType s = new SubType();
        s.setItem(2);
        System.out.println(s.getItem());

    }
}
 
@SomeKittens Reminds me a bit of this weeks Codeless Code
 
what is Data Encapsulation in this code?
 
@Retsam yeaaaaaahhh
 
@SomeKittens Honestly, I don't think everyone should write tests, especially UI tests, which seem to have no value to me. However, if he agreed to write tests, he should at least attempt to do so when he has time or explain, rationally, why he doesn't feel like they are important.
 
11:29 PM
@Shmiddty And if he doesn't?
 
@Shmiddty Hippy!
 
Taking a breaking from codecademy and trying out some real world exanples. Any idea where my mistake is? jsfiddle.net/3jc7op45/5
its just a tiny function
 
<input type="search" value="<?=$_GET['search'];?>" placeholder="Search" name="search" />
 
@Demorus You're not actually calling your function?
 
11:35 PM
 
the .find('i') in my js no longer applies as im using background: for the icon
the .find('i') in my js no longer applies as im using background: for the icon
how do i make it still toggle when the background image is clicked
 
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@monners I think I need to go through the classes again before I start learning about about for and while loops
 
@monners uh?
 
you are right about calling the function
 
11:36 PM
you just removed important stuff
 
@tejas-manohar Please don't code dump. If it's more than a few lines put together a fiddle or use pastebin
 
@SomeKittens Have you voiced your opinion to him?
I think the common policy is three strikes and you're out?
 
@Shmiddty Yes, in escalating steps.
 
And some matter of caution is important in social discourse, but it's important that he understands why you are upset, wouldn't you agree?
 
11:40 PM
how do i fix the jquery to make it toggle the dropd div display when the background: part of input is clicked
 
@Shmiddty Yes, of course.
 
i tried specifying css anchor
i want the jquery $drop.toggle(); to only happen when the background image of the input field i selected
ideas?
 
@tejas-manohar You were missing the class on the input, you weren't targeting the input correctly later, and then you misspelled your variable name. here
 
@monners tried something new this time. jsfiddle.net/3jc7op45/11
saying something about a missing semicolon, should work fine though : /
 
Yay I'm alive
 
11:47 PM
 
Today it only took an hour and a half to drive 14km
 
Ok, no more help until I can see that you people have learnt how to check the dev tools
 
@monners what happened there? Looks the same to me unless I am blind haha
 
That's right.. I averaged 9km/hr on the highway
 
@Demorus Missing if
 
11:48 PM
@Demorus elses don't have conditions.
 
seriously? didnt even notice
 
else if (params) not else (params)
 
But, yeah, use dev tools. It'll tell you exactly where the error is coming from, generally.
 
oh ya true! I remember, else dont have parameters.
 
@Retsam lol, if you're lucky :P
 
11:49 PM
@monners I noticed that in javascript if you forget a small detail you are screwed
 
Ok, those are my good deeds done for the day. Back to work.
 
Nooooo
 
@monners Well, it'll tell you where the immediate error is, anyways.
 
@rlemon yes?
 
Sup
 
11:50 PM
@Retsam And down the rabbit hole you go :P
 
@Demorus That's true of programming in general.
 
@rlemon Science!
 
Srsly. 90minutes... 14km.... Fuck the snow
 
> Computers are like Old Testament gods; lots of rules and no mercy.
 
I probably could have jogged home faster.
 
11:52 PM
@Retsam Im going through codecademy and it seems really helpful, do you think I should continue? Im new to javascript
 
@monners i still cant get this working in the actual site... :(
 
so first time doing this without jquery
 
@Demorus Yeah; I've heard good things about codeacadamy, though I haven't used it much myself.
 
@monners if we went into priv chat
 
@Demorus Nice work. It's tricky in the beginning, but totally worth the effort. Keep it up :)
 
11:52 PM
@monners would u mind seeing actual site? i cant get it wokring
 
@tejas-manohar I don't work for free
 
But it's also good to do stuff outside of codeacademy, too.
 
ive checked class names spelling etc
@monners ok how much lol
 
@monners thanks! im learning for loops now but wanted to play around in jsfiddle since they use alot of console.log in their teachings
 
Can't help any more. I've got real work to do le sigh
 
11:53 PM
@Demorus JavaScript is pretty easy with details (coma, spaces, etc... not a lot of languages let you that much liberties.)
 
@monners o :( - lost
 
@dievardump my only weakness is advanced math but im ok as long as I do multiplication, addition or subtractions
Im abit confused why one would need to use for loops though. Cant think of any scenario
 
@Demorus Do you know what an array is?
 
unless maybe if we wanted to loop through a series of list items or something
ya an array is a series of strings
right?
 
nope
an array is a serie og anything
 
11:56 PM
oh
 
var a = [{}, '', 12, undefined]; // a[0] will give you the object - a[1] will give you '' - a[2] will give you 12
is a valid array.
object, string, number, undefined
 
so ("hi", 1 + "hello", text)
oh hang on
everything in []
 
@SomeKittens Do you feel like he understands why you are upset?
 
@Shmiddty I'm not sure, myself.
 
@monners jsfiddle.net/e0d2bqwm/4 why does your code only toggle show the div not close
 
11:58 PM
["steven", 1, 2, "england"] would be an array
 
@monners its using hidden and visible and show and hide :(
why no workkk
 
@SomeKittens The simplest way to find out what someone thinks is usually by asking.
 

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