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9:00 PM
To be honest: I'm working with angular at the moment, at work. It's been ages since I touched Knockout, so I can't really make a fair comparison...
 
@AaronSiciliano Knockout does one thing (as @Retsam has noted). Angular does everything.
 
Basically, I'm biased at the moment
 
user2620028
data-ng-repeat is pretty neat
 
(though it could be argued that data binding is a bit big for "one thing")
 
Angular does have nice routing, though. And the translate library is goddamn awesome
And what about writing 1 html page / template that can handle any type of table / table content / model, including crud actions, pagination, sorting, localization of everything, including table header names?
Been there, done that
And the HTML is pretty darn clean
 
9:03 PM
I'll say a good point is that knockout is much quicker to pick up, in my understanding.
 
Hi everyone ! I'm really struggling with CasperJs for something ... Pretty simple.
I do need to 1) get connected to my website (done), 2) change url to check some data. Does anyone know CasperJs a bit and could help me ? :)
 
@Maxime Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room pseudo-rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
 
@Retsam: Just as jQuery is easy to learn? ;-)
!!> 'easy to learn' == 'good';
 
@Cerbrus Yes, but without the terribleness of the rest of jQuery.
 
@Cerbrus false
 
9:04 PM
@Maxime sorry, I don't know casperJS
 
Even Caprica agrees :P
 
Uhh, if you think ease of use isn't a good feature for a library to have, I'm not sure I've much interest in your library recommendations.
 
@SterlingArcher , ok thx anyway. :)
Anyone else ?
 
@Retsam It's a good feature, but in and of itself does not qualify a library as 'good'
rlemon's supa library is incredibly easy to learn. And utterly pointless.
 
@SomeKittensUx2666 I didn't claim it did.
 
9:06 PM
I think ease of use is good, but it doesn't make a library good.
It's part of what makes a good lib, sure
 
But I don't get why, when asked what the features of knockout are, answering that "knockout is easy to pick up" is a good feature of knockout got me attacked.
 
You're taking me too seriously, seriously. ;-)
 
I'm being a bit facetious myself; I'm not "offended" just amused.
 
Okay then :P
 
It's virtually impossible to "offend" me on the internet.
 
9:09 PM
its virtually possible to virtually offend me
 
Your mother is a rude woman.
There. I said it.
 
my internet avatar is extremely offended
 
@Retsam: Have the seen that "offended" page on encyclopedia dramatica, back in the day?
 
My avatar is offended by the lack of dick in here.
 
@Loktar Aw man, I missed that pun opportunity myself.
 
9:10 PM
Although that probably has nothing to do with offensiveness, actually... More like being grossed out...
 
Protractor is difficult but rewarding. Kinda like women.
 
@SterlingArcher: 8===D Better?
 
^ Richard close enough?
 
@Cerbrus better :D
What's going on in Scotland right now?
I hear somebody is trying to split off and secceed or something
 
9:14 PM
Imma do something crazy... Like read a book
 
@SterlingArcher Voting as to whether they want to become an independent country.
 
s/somebody/ALL OF SCOTLAND/
 
I hear someone is getting piss drunk
 
If Scotland leaves the UK, they are really no longer "united" and they aren't really a "kingdom" anymore either. Maybe change the name to Formerly United Kingdom? FUK?
 
I hope they do.
 
9:15 PM
I think I read somewhere the UK economy is equivalent in GDP to that of Alabama, don't quote me though
 
...I just spent five minutes trying to figure out what was wrong with my tests before I realized they all passed.
 
lol
 
That's 5 minutes you could have been looking at boobs :(
 
There's something very wrong then! @SomeKittensUx2666
 
@taco The current UK economy is much stronger than that, one of the strongest economies, actually.
 
9:16 PM
@taco That's off by an order of magnitude.
 
@Retsam @SomeKittensUx2666 yeah my memory sucks. I spout lies sometimes
 
Part of the motivation of this is that, Scotland is the economic powerhouse of the UK; even without the rest of the UK it'd still be one of the world economic leaders.
 
I saw this headline, and didn't read up on it washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2014/08/26/…
"If Britain were a U.S. state, it would be the second-poorest, behind Alabama and before Mississippi"
 
UK: 2.522 trillion
Alabama: 165.8 billion USD
'per-capita' is VERY different
 
yeah, they did per capita
 
9:18 PM
Yeah, Britain has insane population density
(apologies to @SomeGuy & @AbhishekHingnikar)
 
!!s/Britain/Western Europe/
 
@taco No matching message (are you sure we're in the right room?)
@taco Yeah, Western Europe has insane population density (source)
 
Wow! Scotland is voting to break up with the UK?! And despite following CNN, I'm not hearing about this until NOW? What else are we missing?
I guess they left out the story about "Major world power might split". But at least they informed me about that one celebrity's naked pics.
^ about sums up my feelings on American news stations...
 
I heard about it a while back, wasn't on the news though
 
What celebrity is this? Just curious...
 
9:20 PM
Twitter is my news
 
@KendallFrey Just google "the fappening".
 
the MSM lost their credibility a long time ago
 
The guy's name is Shamus. He should be paying more attention
 
@taco His middle name is "Telemachus". fun fact.
 
That's fairly nerdy
 
9:22 PM
But yeah, he admits he's not up to date on news:
I know I'm behind on the news, but please tell me Saddam Hussein hasn't done anything crazy recently. And how is West Germany these days?
 
Alas, I have no middle name
 
@taco Middle names are great
 
user2620028
what use is a middle name?
 
Was going to change my middle name to X when I got married, but the State of Georgia only gave my wife the option. Gonna do it soon
 
@AaronSiciliano What use is a name?
 
user2620028
9:23 PM
Are we going shakespeare? please no.
 
We should all go by "Francis"
 
@AaronSiciliano For one, to embarass your children in a public place when they're being naughty
 
To be honest, I think they may have been to disambiguate individuals back when it was more common to use the same first name a lot.
 
user2620028
Yeah i agree retsam, but i mean now. The only time i ever use my middle name is on a form that i wish just didn't have the field on it anyways.
 
Think of it like a backup, in case your first name doesn't work out.
 
9:25 PM
Well, I'm getting into screen writing, and my name is the equivalent of John Smith
 
The Oculus SDK has an enumerant for ovrEye_Count, meaning they're leaving open the possibility for 3+ eyes. That's serious future-proofing!
 
user2620028
Well i am off to go finish up the racecar engine and if there is enough daylight left, fire it for the first time.
 
I think I'll change my name to Wendell. Wendell Terence Frey.
think about that
 
@AaronSiciliano awesome. Take care man
I want pics
 
I've been legitimately annoyed about my middle initial as long as I can remember.
 
user2620028
9:27 PM
@taco email or what? lol
 
Sure, email
 
user2620028
@retsam same.... my initials are AMS. and if my parents were nice enough i could have been ASS
 
My first name is "Benjamin", and my initials are "BDN". So close!
 
@AaronSiciliano you're still the identifier of a fun airport
 
user2620028
Either that taco or if you find me on facebook i use it as an image uploading service more than i ever use it for sharing thoughts :p lol
 
9:28 PM
Or I could change my last name to Prince. Then I'd have the initials of my favourite game.
 
user2620028
Hmm maxell i didn't even think about airport code haha
 
@KendallFrey ktp?
 
user2620028
peace out guys.
 
@Retsam Terence isn't my middle name, lol
 
Ah, guessing something starting with an S.
 
9:31 PM
Good work
 
I hate the ebay API
I hate it so very much
 
I've known someone who, if you took the first three letters of their first, middle, and last name, they read the same left to right and top to bottom.
 
mind goes into high gear
so, second letter of first name, and first letter or middle name match...
 
Yeah. It was:

J E S
E L I
S I M
 
9:35 PM
Jesus Elijah Simeon?
 
He broke his nose and scored on his own team xD
 
FUCKING STUPID IDIOT EBAY
You create a developer account, all goes well, you generate your keys, everyone happen.
Wait one day, session expires.
Try to log in again FAIL
 
!!s/ay/ae/
 
@SterlingArcher Wait one dae, session expires. (source)
 
Try to reset password FAIL
 
9:36 PM
fuck
 
@SterlingArcher Have YOU ever tried a bicycle kick?
 
@SterlingArcher Contract renegotiations didn't go so well after that...
 
Try to contact support FUCKING FAIL
 
I have, and it worked prrreeeetty well.
 
I almost nailed it
 
9:36 PM
A jumping bicycle kick on the other hand...
 
oh, fail
 
I'm just about ready to start rampaging on eBay HQ with my Susanoo at this point.
 
@KendallFrey Their parents may have been religious, but they weren't that religious.
 
!!urban susanoo
 
@monners No definition found for susanoo
 
9:37 PM
!google susanoo
 
!!tell monners google madara susanoo
 
Right, or course! Ugh, I can't believe I didn't get that
 
How dare you not get my anime jokes!
 
!!tell rlemon youtube rob zombie feel so good
 
I love this song, talk about a throwback!
 
@Jhawins not sure if you're still on it, but look at the tests in couchbase source code. Couchnode has a couple of them at 1st glance
 
ok guys, im out. laters!
 
why can't I sleeeeeep
 
@Mosho Because eBay's API sucks a lot.
 
9:47 PM
@Zirak cap ignores herself from afk. Shouldn't she have pinged Sterling when he attempted to 'tell' me something?
 
either that
or the caffeine and the gym
 
@Mosho Hmmm
Nah, definitely the API.
 
@Mosho how's the Job?
Is Benji a bitch in real life as well :p
 
@rlemon it's great
company is great, people are great
Benji is true to his online self :P
 
@rlemon You've met Benji haven't you?
 
9:50 PM
Do you work under Benji? Or along side? Or not at all with?
@Second no. How would I?
Canada is a little bit aways from Israel
 
@rlemon I can vaguely recall him telling me that he had lunch/dinner with you once.
Or was it @Mosho?
 
that was probably me
 
I did with mosho
 
I have a question
 
cool story.
 
9:51 PM
!!s/did/did it/
 
@SecondRikudo I did it with mosho (source)
 
My day is now complete. I can go to bed.
 
Well, he is a stunning specimine
 
what rhymes with tangerine
 
^
 
9:51 PM
Orange
 
@rancho @FlorianMargaine
 
GOT IT!
 
@rlemon he assigns stuff for me to do, kinda
 
@rlemon meh
 
@rancho Sex Machine.
 
9:52 PM
@Mosho remedial work or the good stuff.
@Zirak meh your face!
 
nope
 
@rlemon php/wordpress
so you tell me :P
 
its a secret
figure it out and your in the smart guys club.
 
.... @Benji you sonofabitch
 
9:54 PM
You're*
Lol
 
Just saw that on imgur.
 
I was promised angular soon though
 
!!YouTube Josephine
Ugh
 
and I kind of like how quick and dirty wordpress is
 
!!undo
 
9:55 PM
most of the time
 
!!youtube wallflowers Josephine
 
@Retsam lol
one of my fave albums right there
 
Yay
Jacob is the man
!!afk gf is done tanning
 
@rlemon what have you been up to?
 
10:01 PM
so lets say you did some crappy javascript programming that technically "works". How long before people notice its crap?
 
About 7
 
7 what?
 
Exactly
 
Yeah, I think 7 is about right
 
It doesn't matter if people notice, but you will notice by yourself when you maintain the software
2
 
10:02 PM
thats a great answer.
 
Really? I think this is more of a 4 situation.
 
It doesnt matter?
THATS A GREAT ANSWER
you just made my whole day : )
Im not even joking
 
7 sounds right
 
i like seven.
rhymes with heaven
 
I just realized I have tomorrow off
lol
I thought I only took Friday
Good job, me-in-the-past, I deserve this
/me pats himself on the back
Celebrating my first wedding anniversary. :d
 
10:15 PM
@SecondRikudo mother of god
 
@rancho I like how you selectively plucked what you wanted to hear out of that.
 
@Mosho not much
quit smoking - using the ecig. almost down to 0 nic
 
sweet :D
 
I'll be releasing the animated short we've only shown at our wedding, "How I Met Your Puppet Mother". I'll be sure to share it with you guys. It's not very long or very good. It's my first production.
 
Yup. And the add ed $$ saved is gonna make my house plans a faster reality.
@taco I look forward to it.
 
10:18 PM
rlemon++
that's awesome!
 
Was at the bank today, should be in a house by next spring
 
I wanted to hire one more voice actor for Broseph, though. I'm ridiculously bad in that role.
 
Or at least will have enough to put down offers.
Taco I'll voice act for free
I can do impressions. Kermit the frog and Yoda.
 
@rlemon as if the health benefits aren't enough, that's awesome :D are you staying in Kitchener?
 
@rlemon Sweet!
 
10:20 PM
@rlemon Congrats @rlemon
 
Likely in kW. Gonna see how prices drop just outside the city. My plan is to get a new build and flip it.
Live in it while the area populates and prices increase. Sell it in ~3 years and double my investment.
 
sounds like a plan
I wanted to buy something too
but I move so much
I had a couple investments in TO which worked out pretty nicely
maybe when I come back in May
 
SWEET!
I can afford that soonish!
there's hope for me yet!
 
Nice
 
@rlemon I have friends who flipped an old storefront
they loved it
No previous handyman skillage
 
10:24 PM
Well flipping a new build just means putting up with bullshit construction
 
doubt he means that kind of flip
 
No real work involved.
 
I know a couple people who bought semis a year+ before construction and made huge $$$ soon after building ended
 
Buy while you see the market climbing. I bought while it was still sinking Sad trombone 20k underwater, but mortgage is $400. Just not ready to deal with renting it out if I buy a bigger home.
 
10:25 PM
in a place called Brooklin
other side of Toronto
 
My mom made 70k doing it
 
@rlemon psst gonna be in the states around may for 2 months , might hitch a train to canada x.x
 
@Patsy where in the states.
 
delaware most probably
 
I doubt I can get another nice mortgage though
 
10:26 PM
unless i save up enough cash to rent a place for 2 months while i renew some papers
 
anyways, off to bed
 
later mosho
 
Pancakes!!!
It's what's for breakfast
 
Beer! it's what's for dinner
@PatsyIssa if you do end up coming north, I can pick you up at or near the border if it is easier
 
10:33 PM
seems legit
 
@taco $400 mortgage? I'd take that, even if it was underwater.
 
$65k, 900 sq ft
 
@rlemon If you do end up coming way way south, I can pick you up at the airport
 
Having my first kid next year. Currently occupied by two dogs, two cats, and two humans.
and a shit ton of stuff. No room.
I feel like our first child would die crawling around the house
 
I've never understood this human preoccupation with multiplying
 
10:35 PM
my appt is almost bigger than that
and I pay $1000/mo
 
Yeah, it was my bachelor pad. Oops.
It was fine when it was just me.
Wife had a lake house, and all that stuff is lining the walls. Slowly getting rid of it all
 
@taco congrats, by the way.
 
Thanks
 
$1,440 for 1BR rental.
 
Time flies. I feel like I got married yesterday
 
10:37 PM
and that's cheap
 
Atlanta is very affordable
 
3,600 at $1400
 
@SomeKittensUx2666 I'll congratulate him when it comes out with all of it's fingers and toes. ahh, I see you made a good one. Congratulations.
 
@monners sqft?
 
I'd recommend Atlanta if you don't care to be near the water. It's both big city or small town.
 
10:37 PM
yeah
 
Lakes and a river, but nothing very nice
 
if I went outside of the city I could get much better prices
 
You can get very cheap houses in Dallas, but the downside is you'll be in Dallas
 
in the city, 1450sqft === ~$400-450K
in a decent area
 
10:41 PM
dayum
I get much nicer :P
1/3rd the cost (not quite, but go with me)
 
m59
Who's in Atlanta?
 
eastforesthomes.com/homes/view/saffron/woodway-trails I'm probably more likely to end up in something like this
good price, good space, would have decent resell
 
m59
@taco where do you work?
Atlanta seems to have a lot of good jobs
 
problem is these types of homes are tossed up so quick there is always problems. and you (the first owner) has to live through dealing with them
so they price them accordingly.
 
10:47 PM
@m59 I work for SO's ISP web host. Atlanta has a ton of IT jobs. Got called alot last year and I haven't posted my resume since 2007. Tapered off this year
 
m59
Nice.
 
I don't do anything with SO at all though
 
m59
Nashville is all PHP jobs.
 
Interesting
I'd say Atlanta runs the gamut
 
my city has quite a few tech companies
I would imagine jobs were easy to find if one is looking
 
m59
10:52 PM
seem to be plenty now
I didn't see a lot a while back, but now I think there are literally no more developers around
 
because you've murdered them all?
 
m59
hahah, dunno
I just have seen the same job posts for months
 
> Why?!?!?!?!
> I WANT YOUR 401K YOU BASTARD!
 
m59
heh. I'm going to try to milk it next year :)
 
One co-worker moved here from TN
 
10:55 PM
Are any of you BASH wizards in addition to JS wizards?
 
m59
You'll have to ask my wife.
 
I'm okay at bash
 
m59
^ overlooks the spousal abuse
 
I'm about to leave though
@m59 Thought it was a sexual reference
 
m59
Same thing.
 
10:56 PM
Is there a way to do an equivalent to find . -maxdepth 2 without using find?
 
m59
the line -->  |          --> me
 
Does it have to be a maxdepth of 2?
 
yes
 
Hmm, ok
I use: grep -Hnr 'foo' /
 
10:58 PM
but that traverses every subdir
I use grep and find
egrep
Yeah, sorry can't think of it without some sort of hack on the return data inspecting the paths
 
alright, thanks
 
one of the best stories ive read in a while.
 
Why can't you use find? @BenCraig
 
@taco Last question on my assignment, not allowed to use find for some reason. Ive been stuck on it all day
 
You could probably use php.net/scandir
then use isdir() in your loop and go down one more directory, then scandir() again
Sounds like an interview question. They probably don't care how you do it as long as you show you can figuire out how
 
11:14 PM
Heh
 

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