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4:00 PM
(im not a good color person)
 
@Neal Yep. Looks like crap.
 
@Neal Oh. It's awful.
 
haha i thought so ^_^
how can i fix it?
 
Neal, step back. your best design will have a theme to it. What's the rest look like?
 
4:00 PM
Also, more padding.
 
@Incognito ehhh its going to be a system where we have one admin who can add users.
 
Next, think about the user, what's natural for them and fastest for their brains to pick out?
 
and the users ahve to download a file and then uplaod a file a little while later
 
Then, what OTHER things might they do on this page?
 
and i am going to make a db of when they uploaded and downloaded the files
and i need the admin to see all of the info in the db
thats basically it
 
4:01 PM
Sure, those are all functions of your system, but that's not design.
Design will make the function work for the human, not the computer.
 
@Incognito lol i know nothing abt design
its all 1's and 0's for me
 
Neither do I. I have six tricks I keep repeating and they seem to work nicely.
1) There is no computer, only the user.
 
@Incognito which are?
 
2) What does your user want to see?
 
i changed the color to this: colourlovers.com/palette/77121/Good_Friends
 
4:03 PM
3) Keep it to as few colours as you can, work with tones of colours which often works nicely.
4) Whitespace and fonts are important.
@Neal I used that exact same one for one of my designs.
 
user1385191
ack, I see that scheme everywhere
 
lol
@MattMcDonald so what is a better one for what im doing?
also i made a password to test: root/root
 
user1385191
a thoughtful and creative solution you make yourself
 
:-P
 
user1385191
 
4:05 PM
im not creative
 
5) Think about how your user interacts, where their eyes go, what they're going to do, and what questions they might have that your design isn't answering. (ie, "How do I get to the home page? How do I check the FAQ?" "I didn't want to come here...")
 
user1385191
cop-out
 
lol im not
 
user1385191
you can't succeed if you have no self-confidence
 
user1385191
make the effort first
 
4:06 PM
@MattMcDonald Add some top margin to your fieldset. Change the border from 2px to 1, with a color of #948C75. Change the font family to Georgia, sans-serif.
Center the Login button, and give it some top margin as well (maybe just another <br>)
 
6) Make it look like everything else, keep flow.
Stop changing the BG colour, that's not the problem.
Diagnose the problem here. What does your user want to see when they come here?
 
user1385191
I smell a misquote :)
 
Who are you? What is this? Where am I? How do I get in, contact you, go elsewhere?
or get help?
Answer those questions with your design first.
 
user1385191
if you want somewhere to play with a color scheme, try your twitter account :)
 
Dudes. It's a login page. These processes are obvious
 
4:10 PM
@MattMcDonald The colour is like, the 9th thing you need to worry about :P
@RyanKinal Obvious to you :P.
Who else might be looking at this? When might it become unobvious?
What ELSE might they wish to do? Why ELSE might they be on this pagE?
Design is programming for the human. You need to throw in some try-catches, some identifiers, some options, etc.
 
The sole purpose of this page is, obviously, to log in to the system. What else might they want to do? Nothing. Why else might they be on this page? No other reason.
There is nothing on this page other than the option to log in.
If that fails, there should be feedback, but that's it
 
@RyanKinal That's what you've intended. Let me ask you, are you doing any form-validation on user-input?
 
Hello, everybody :)
 
Making a common theme that programs for the user will make your application perceived as that much better, because it's that much more usable, even if the logic code is the same.
@Bakudan Hey.
 
I`ve a little question if someone is willing to help - why "return a||b" return number and "return !(a||b)" returns string?
a=0,b=0
 
user1385191
4:16 PM
how are you outputting it?
 
@Bakudan Are you doing this as part of variable assignment?
ie, x= a||b ?
 
@Incognito Right, but that's more site/UI design. Improving this particular page is going to be about graphic design
 
@RyanKinal :-P now i gotta place the gts logo.
hmmm
and thats blue
 
no, no assignement, document.write
 
@RyanKinal You're trying to move the target :P. If you're not worried about design, don't bother with design, keep your code in a way that a designer can wrap it in his design.
Small objectives lead to a product that looks and feels like a circus tent.
 
4:17 PM
@Incognito I'm not trying to move the target. I'm trying to help @Neal with his problem
 
user1385191
how can you tell that it's a string?
 
user1385191
we need to see more code
 
@MattMcDonald That's another good question... Wouldn't it return a bool? Or is bool translated to string? :S
 
@RyanKinal :-)
 
@RyanKinal We're both trying to help him, but my advice is about the larger picture, because that's how I see design.
 
4:19 PM
yup, here it is jsfiddle.net/Q9QzU
 
@Bakudan This is why: jsfiddle.net/hLhVH
 
@Neal White space is your friend. Push the form down from the top of the window. Making it more centrally located will make it look better.
 
user1385191
 
@MattMcDonald Do you have something to link him to for the || assignment?
I can't find anything =/
 
user1385191
you can link the ecma spec
 
4:22 PM
@Neal Also, I'd recommend changing the font face from the default. Perhaps font-family: Georgia, serif
 
user1385191
what sucks is it's a PDF, though :(
 
0
Q: JavaScript OR (||) variable assignment explanation

m.p.cGiven this snippet of JavaScript... var a; var b = null; var c = undefined; var d = 4; var e = 'five'; var f = a || b || c || d || e; alert(f); // 4 Can someone please explain to me what this technique is called (my best guess is in the title of this question!)? And how/why it works exactly?...

 
@RyanKinal true.
arrg im having a hard wimt ching the logo color
 
@Bakudan Look at the link I posted.
 
@MattMcDonald I realize. It was a typo
 
4:24 PM
@RyanKinal huh? i have phtot shop
i just dont know how to use it
 
user1385191
interesting
 
(back in a bit... lunchtime)
 
the logo gets all choppy
 
@RyanKinal I want a light one of those that runs on windows.
 
@Neal Ah, I see
 
user1385191
4:25 PM
I'm assuming that software is capturing an image of the pixel clicked and grabs the color of the pixel
 
user1385191
done that kind of stuff in flash
 
@RyanKinal I'll show you what your page should be... maybe when you get back :P
 
@RyanKinal ok i centered the box
 
4:40 PM
can anyone tell me why the logo is in the middle of the page?
hmmm seemed to have fixed that
 
@Matt and @Incognito 10x for the help
 
jsfiddle.net/9Kdn2 Except move the button to the side.
@Bakudan np.
 
user1385191
yesss that's how you use a legend
 
user1385191
well done
 
@Neal Ummm. It's left-aligned now?
 
4:45 PM
@RyanKinal lol thats why i said i seemed to fix it lol
hmmm does it look good floated left? (just switched it again)
 
@Neal I like that. Do take some of @Incognito's ideas into account, though.
 
@RyanKinal like which ones?
i was away from comp for a lil there
 
@Neal Well, assuming this is a public-facing page, the "Lost?" link is a good idea. If this is internal, it's kinda useless, though.
 
@RyanKinal will it will be puplic facing, but only for people that we give logins too
the logins also expire
this is not a public site
(well it is public, but u cant login)
 
@Neal Right, but the customers might land there, so at least tell them what's going on. The design isn't specifically for people you want to use it, but the people who will.
 
4:49 PM
@Incognito lol this is nt for cutomers
this is for job candidates
 
Imagine idiot customer with a fat wallet slamming the login form cursing about the stupid site not taking their money.
 
we will give them login info to get the programming test
 
@Neal Make sure you use a noindex
 
@RyanKinal ?
 
Because that's where he landed, because he's an idiot. But he has money, and your design tells him it's no good here.
 
4:50 PM
@Neal Either in robots.txt or by using a meta tag - more info
 
@Incognito lol this is not a design company
 
Business websites exist to make money. If a customer walked into a factory, they'd be explained to gtfo and goto the store. You've just flatly ignored them however.
 
@Incognito Hence the noindex
 
@Incognito hence we have a main site
 
They'll end up there, some how, some where, for some reason.
 
4:51 PM
without the port
 
Or, someone who knows about it will be too dumb to figure it out anyway and get confused.
 
then they wont get hired lol
 
Neal, stop being smart and knowledgeable about the system you're building. Pretend you're slow, drool a bit, and have poor vision.
 
All i see is noise
 
again. then we dont want them to work here...
 
4:53 PM
@Neal Then you don't want people who like design :P.
 
@Incognito ok
 
What are we talking about?
 
@Raynos It is noise. Lots of it. I'd prefer to use telnet if I could.
Neal's got a login page, I'm making it into a huge deal.
 
@Neal link
 
4:57 PM
Y U PASSWORD OVER HTTP
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFfff
I mean I do it
 
@Raynos I can't believe I missed that.
 
because my shit is a tech demo
So is my blog, it's just not bloody ready
 
@Raynos ?
 
@Neal I feel sorry for people who hire you :(
 
user1385191
put your error message inside the form
 
4:58 PM
@Neal You do understand sending passwords in plain text is A SECURITY RISK
 
@Raynos i dont set up the servers
 
So?
 
thats it
 
You wrote that page right?
 
in abt 5 secs, yes, why?
 
4:59 PM
use a one way hash :P
 
Well your sending passwords in plain text
 
You have two popular options
 
Raynos is completely right
 
HTTPS or javascript client side hashing
 
4:59 PM
@Raynos ok?
 
@Raynos JS Client side hashing is NOT an option for securit.
 

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