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3:00 PM
for security reasons they can't show me the full key
20/25 chars only
 
try magicjellybean keyfinder
 
but it's ok, apparently the full key is on a label in the battery
 
weird, I've never had belarc give me partial keys
 
and at this point I'm too scared to open the laptop up
 
3:01 PM
warranty void stickers are illegal in many countries
 
if I have a react web app, should it take 3-5 seconds to load on refresh?
 
FYI
 
it's a this btw: Acer ASPIRE ES 156IN E1 4GB 1TB BLACK
oh, good to know
 
@towc probably locked to the mobo
those oem licenses are super strict
 
either way, not sure whether I should install debian on it, or should try openbsd or something
maybe arch
 
3:04 PM
Call their support and tell them your replacing the HDD.
 
I've had to call MSI for a Windows image
 
@rlemon for delegation you mentioned I found this article: davidwalsh.name/event-delegate ... So I should attach an eventlistener to some very parent div and then do conditional checking to see if the child being clicked is what I want?
 
tbh, at this point I have 4 windows licenses, so don't really care
either way, debian, openbsd, arch, or something else?
 
@Michael that is what event delegation is, yes.
 
3:06 PM
seems like a lot of wasted js event triggers
 
Then register the events when you load the contents
 
@towc something else
 
enlighten me
 
but, delegation isn't generally something that will impact performance.
 
@towc Windows
trolololol
 
3:07 PM
@Michael yes it could cause a lot of event triggers. that's why you bind it to the closest element to the target element that isn't dynamic.
 
@towc Ubuntu
 
alright, I'll open windows and throw you out of it
 
Okay. So those are two options. best practice would depend on the situation.
 
not the document.
 
@Michael of course :D
 
3:08 PM
@ssube in regards to being thirsty, I give you this: i.imgur.com/knVqHF7.gif
 
@rlemon although you're not wrong in that I'm too dumb for much else, I'd rather get something else
 
i'll choose the registering events when I load contents this time around.
 
@towc why?
 
@towc CentOS
 
is looking cool a good reason?
 
3:08 PM
learn how to use both big distros
 
what do you need in your os? up-to-date tooling? lots of community support? ability to customise it? fast LTS?
 
@towc In seriousness, the only distribution I enjoy is Debian Stable. It's old and slow to get new packages, but stable and secure.
 
that actually looks good on a resume
 
I was actually considering gentoo
 
3:09 PM
if "other people hate Unity" is your reason for not using Ubuntu, you fail at life
 
@RoelvanUden CentOS is the slow and stable one. Debian is just old and slow. :P
@towc ha. Be prepared to lose even your nerd friends.
 
@ssube a hipster inside the hipsters
or a dumb person
 
totally go with SUSE then
 
start using gentoo and even the unwashed D&D players will stop talking to you
 
call it what you want
 
3:10 PM
@ssube I've had CentOS servers. Didn't enjoy them very much. That said, I don't really understand the CentOS package manager.
 
Anyone here knows the meaning of word Ubuntu
 
some african thing iirc
 
I don't "enjoy" any distribution, no OS actually makes me feel happy today.
 
its on their website
 
a deep philosophical thing
 
3:10 PM
something something humanity
 
I moved from the point where I liked all three "big" OSs to disliking all of them.
 
@RoelvanUden really? it confuses me a lot less than apt. They do stuff so weird. CentOS is very predictable about where the config files go.
 
Ubuntu has crazy large community
that is what is most important to me
 
Ubuntu's last version I liked was 6.06
 
need answers, get answers
 
3:10 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum so what do you have now?
 
Very philosophical @rlemon
 
either way, I guess I'll just get back to debian testing+mate
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum you're not supposed to like your OS, it's supposed to stay out of your way and be easy to hack when you need to.
 
@ssube It's quite possible it's due to the fact that I've always worked with Debian, Ubuntu and Mint to apt-get is perfectly natural to me. I never really bothered too much to understand CentOS.
 
@RoelvanUden yum? It feels no different than like, apt-get on ubuntu just a different name
Weird name, but yeah
 
3:11 PM
most of my experience has been with SUSE, centos, fedora, and Ubuntu
 
adding repos to apt-get is crazy complicated
 
@towc windows 10 on my work computer, but I hardly have much choice since I do a lot of C#
It runs Ubuntu too (well, windows 10 runs ubuntu).
 
oh shit 0.o since when did chrome support resuming downloads after losing and regaining connection?
 
fuck SUSE, centos and fedora < Ubuntu imo, because I know Ubuntu and enjoy it
 
@ssube right, I like OSs that stay out of my way and none of the big ones do that
 
3:12 PM
> Ubuntu is good because I know Ubuntu
 
Yeah, SUSE is shit.
 
SUSE and Gentoo are the worst, by far
 
sounds like trump
 
So I wanted to look into the juery source files to see what the .click() event is actually doing. I did ctrl+f for 'click' but I dont see any function referring to it.
 
@littlepootis why :D
 
3:12 PM
@towc not chrome but the server you are downloading from is in question here.
 
TIL You can enjoy Ubuntu
 
If they don't permit it, you wont be able to do it.
 
@towc why
 
@towc no, re-read what I wrote turd. Ubuntu is better then centOS for me because I know it better
that is a valid reason
 
I used to love Ubuntu
 
3:13 PM
generally in case of chrome it fails and the things start from step 0
 
@littlepootis tl;dr: I got a new laptop and trying to figure out whether to stick with debian or not
 
@rlemon unless you're Rich Hickey I agree.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I loved the 10.10
 
@towc Debian is fine, I used it for many years.
 
3:13 PM
@rlemon oh, fair enough
 
Debian folks are so insane that if you google ubuntu and then go to images
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum blame Lennart "fuck you all, suck my init system, productivity is now 0" Poettering
 
it read, ubuntu - a person who cannot configure debia
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum fine is what most people have
 
debian*
 
3:13 PM
@DenysSéguret I really dislike Unity
 
@GandalftheWhite or doesn't care to spend hours configuring a system
 
@towc Just go with Ubuntu Stable
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I corrected, it was 10.10 the good one (before Unity)
 
Well... there is this common notion. If it is tough, it is right.
 
3:14 PM
@DenysSéguret it was already way too fat IMO
 
-_-
 
that's how things work, don't they.
 
@littlepootis it may be time for arch actually
 
@towc wanna still feel like a 'hacker' -- get Ubuntu and replace Unity
 
so l33t
 
3:14 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum possibly, but it was complete enough so that non computer savvy people could use it
 
ubuntu is like opera or some other tool where they just keep jamming in features
 
Or install OS X because nothing is ever wrong with OS X.
 
@KevinB Okay so thats the same source that I am looking at in VS, but I dont understand where the click event (For example) maps to
 
well you've made it clear you choose OS's because you think it'll make you look cooler
 
I guess that's firefox now that opera has started over
 
3:15 PM
@rlemon He's a certified hacker, he doesn't need to feel like one.
 
I'm all about doing the least amount of work out of the box
I don't wanna spend time configuring shit
 
@rlemon this
 
time spent configuring stuff becomes a non-issue when you respin boxes often enough
 
puppet apply is pretty quick
how easy the OS is to configure is far more important, IMO, which is where debian falls down
 
3:16 PM
@ssube yea when its your job to do it, that is a different story
 
@ssube opera is peng leng
 
when you setup like 1-3 systems a year... no thanks
 
I dunno, I have puppet and ansible scripts for my personal stuff too
 
not sure where it's heading with the chinese now though
 
3:17 PM
@ssube because its your job to do so
so setting up the scripts is not an issue for you
 
that's true
it's good tech to know for anybody, I'd say
 
wut? you can network boot now?
 
@DenysSéguret my sister still runs ubuntu
 
not netinst
network boot the whole machine
 
3:20 PM
yes
 
@KevinB okay, so this is like a egg hunt. Now I'd need to find the function definitions for .on() and .trigger()
 
@towc we have been able to do that for... I don't know, 20 years?
 
We mostly use CentOS 7 at work
 
you've always been able to do that
 
probably more
 
3:21 PM
@Michael see the first link.
 
how extraordinary
 
@KevinB lol I'm already looking through it. I must just not be able to find this stuff.
 
@Michael I suggest placing a breakpoint right before calling .click, and stepping through the code yourself
 
ah good point
 
that would relatively quickly walk you through exactly what is happening
 
3:30 PM
this new laptop doesn't need additional firmware :3
feels so good
 
Are you installing debian again?
 
he's installing harambe vista
 
harambian
 
harambuntu
 
harchmbe
 
3:32 PM
yh
I asked you for guidance
 
You're a terrible person
 
but you had better things to do
 
@towc you did no such thing
you asked "which OS will make me look cool?"
 
19 mins ago, by towc
@littlepootis tl;dr: I got a new laptop and trying to figure out whether to stick with debian or not
 
also, I'm pretty sure we didn't just fuck the dog, we gave you suggestions with some reasoning
stop being a turd.
 
3:33 PM
that's basically asking him to tell me not to use debian and use xyz
:P @rlemon
 
25 mins ago, by towc
is looking cool a good reason?
you're not asking serious questions, you're just being a tool
 
s/ool/urd/
lets be consistent here
 
tord?
 
I FORGOT ONE
 
3:34 PM
k
 
@ssube I could state proper reasons for not using ubuntu
 
go on
 
everybody has thrown out other options besides ubuntu
 
but it would spark convos that would not get me closer to achieve my goal of not installing ubuntu
!!google why not to use ubuntu
 
if you don't want something debian based, learn the other big linux
there are only two
 
3:35 PM
no, state your reasons
 
@towc those are not your reasons
> ohh it is bloated, I hate unity
well, replace unity.
 
apparently in the security world, ubuntu is considered a joke
 
why not use the windows that's on your laptop already,
 
and if you're calling it bloated, feel the bloat first?
 
Or start from the mini.iso.
@towc The security world is a joke.
 
3:36 PM
@towc I can 100% assure you now one cares about your pc
 
and as I'm, rightly, not taken as a serious security guy in here, that wouldn't be a good reason :P
 
no one is going to hack you
 
exactly what I meant :P
you can't take me seriously on this because I don't have anything that allows you to take me seriously
so skipped the topic by talking about coolness factor
 
@towc no shit, it may as well be windows 98
ubuntu is debian (which is already janky) with a bunch of untested packages
 
3:38 PM
you want to learn some more about hacking around with linux, I suggest you start with the distro that has the largest community
 
debian is slightly more respected
 
which is Ubuntu
 
that's what matters
 
stop fighting it
 
@ssube untested?
 
3:38 PM
ubuntu is considered a joke anywhere beyond the desktop
 
Nah..
 
@rlemon arch*
 
you don't run ubuntu servers, you run deb
 
@towc you're telling me the arch community is larger than the Ubuntu community?
 
3:38 PM
@littlepootis absolutely. Unity and the rest of the shit they ship is brand new half the time and half of it doesn't work together.
 
@rlemon people in the arch community know what they're doing more than the ones in the ubuntu one, is the general feeling
 
lmao
you can't make that comparison
 
not my words
 
you don't know what you're doing
 
yeah, I don't
let's not get into this :P
and accept I'm being irrational, and not wanting to use ubuntu
 
3:39 PM
instead, let's focus on which OS is cooler
 
@ssube Ubuntu is not unity. Ignoring the partner shit, it has pretty stable, supported, tested packages.
 
sounds like you've made up your mind already
 
the answer is: go outside
 
@rlemon about not-ubuntu
and not-windows
and not-mac
 
with no good reasons
 
3:40 PM
@littlepootis you can't ignore the partner shit anymore, it's their entire product. The desktop environment, the search, the launcher, everything is partnered and branded and buggy.
 
I started with "maybe I should try openbsd"
 
try them all.
 
the BSDs aren't very useful compared to Linuxes
 
they are specialised
 
they make excellent firewalls
 
3:41 PM
it is marginally easier to port a QNX application to BSD than linux
but, then we have to use BSD
 
if you want to learn internet-scale networking, get a BSD and set up bind and DHCP and even BGP
 
@ssube That's the reason I don't download the "default ubuntu". I start from here and install stuff I need.
The default ubuntu is shit, yes, but usable.
 
@littlepootis but then you may as well just use Debian :P
Ubuntu minimal is unstable Debian
 
Naht really.
 
@towc pro tip: thinking / talking about one OS being cooler than another makes you instantly a loser. defeating the purpose. use whatever OS you want to use and like using
 
3:43 PM
@rlemon again, the point of that was to avoid the conversation we were just having
 
any further discussion, unless you have real needs that should be met, is just personal preference
 
not because I actually think debian is cooler than ubuntu
 
well, unless you present a real problem / need, you're going to just get everyone telling you their favorite os
 
@towc then don't open it with a ridiculous comment like that
 
I need something big on security, with fast ttys and where browsers run really well
 
3:45 PM
you need a linux
 
I want snow lion
 
probably an enterprise-family linux
 
where I can do both web dev, test security, and be secure
but also cutting-edge stuff
 
so learn about security first
 
lol
 
3:45 PM
then make up your mind
 
now you're actually just trolling
 
Lol....
 
the best I've heard of that fullfills those is debian stretch from the little research and the lot of asking I've done
 
"be secure" and "also cutting-edge stuff"
pick one
 
@ssube I need a balance between the two
 
3:46 PM
> I want to make SPAs, what framework should I use
 
@towc no, you get to pick one of them
 
and sure, I'll be mindful what I use, enable and everything
 
you can't have "some" security
you're either secure or not
 
-_-
 
if you're secure, you don't have cutting-edge packages
 
3:46 PM
@towc ubuntu
 
@towc want security, unplug your ethernet
 
if you want cutting-edge, use ubuntu like every other coffee shop "developer"
 
for example, there are some programs that are not avaiilable on debian stable, but are available on testing
 
if you want stable/secure, debian or centos
 
but seriously, you're doing the classic "pick something for me, when you have 0 information"
57 secs ago, by rlemon
> I want to make SPAs, what framework should I use
 
3:47 PM
@rlemon I guess you are in the wrong thread. There is a really important discussion going on about Security/Linux/OSs going on here.
 
I need those programs for stuff, so I install them, and need to not use debian stable
 
@SunnyRGupta woosh
 
!!welcome SunnyRGupta
 
!!undo
 
:/
 
3:48 PM
that was a pointless welcome.
 
the room rules mention that we don't have to be on topic I think
 
he thought my facetious quote was an actual question
 
would also show you own this boat
 
I in now way "own this boat"
the JS room is community
 
I think he means how william thinks you actually own a boat
 
3:50 PM
you basically own this boat, everyone here knows you and you've been around for a long time
 
thanks to an utter lack of reading comprehension (the same one that lead to him calling the FBI)
 
@ssube ohh god
:P
 
@ssube LOL
 
my plan is to build a canoe
if that doesn't sink, build a boat
 
Is there is any way which let angular know that, don't change any controller on change in url?
 
3:52 PM
!!afk lunch
 
oh, out of curiosity: my shitty red laptop has a pixel whole red is always full, for as long as the machine is on
can I say it "a third of a pixel on this machine is super-alive"?
 
!!afk also lunch
 
because it's not dead...
the rest of the colors on that pixel work perfectly well
 
Err.. it has a pixel whole red is always full?
 
whose*
yes
pixel = rgb(255,g,b)
oh shit I really worded that badly
 
Un1
3:58 PM
Hey guys, does anybody using polymer here?
 
@Un1 Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
 
Yes, it still doesn't make sense
@Un1 The thing I'm wearing has polyester in it, so yeah.
 
so, I have a screen
with pixels of rgb varying depending on what the computer tells it to
except that hipster whose red value is always at its fullest
 

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