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8:00 PM
@ndugger strong correction
 
@rlemon man, you typed that really fast the second time
 
@Mosho 1990s navigation voice?
 
too many clicks
 
I call bs
 
@ssube step one, highlight the quote. step two, right click. step three, copy and paste
 
8:00 PM
@Loktar it's a bimmer tho
 
@ssube took me until the third paragraph until i checked what site I was on
 
@KendallFrey :D it's a pretty good article either way
 
god dang
voice nav in the 90s that is insane
 
off of CDs
 
I knew navigation was a thing.. but not voice
ahhh ok
 
8:02 PM
like wth BMW
 
that makes more sense
 
@rlemon found reddit as 3rd sauce
reliable enough
 
> BMW’s MKI computer starts the trend of navigation systems in BMWs. The MKI started in 1994 in the E38 7-series... MKI computers used only CD-ROM maps, had an external compass, and required a trimble module in-between the computer and GPS antenna. The MKI and MKII look identical (square eject button).
 
this shit is actually fascinating
too bad that video sucks overall
 
@Loktar the E30s has chaos pads in them, too, well before all of that. Capacitive controls for the radio.
 
8:05 PM
my black and white tv had touch buttons on it
#coolbeforeitwascool
I used to think it was the bees knees to be able to turn the tv on with my body parts
 
you mean only clean fingers, right?
 
@rlemon Then you realized those were your own knees
 
!!s/the tv/kendall's mom/
 
@Mosho I used to think it was the bees knees to be able to turn kendall's mom on with my body parts (source)
 
@rlemon - did I get flagged?
 
8:06 PM
not that I'm aware of
 
@rlemon and now, with enough hand-waving and "hey, xbox..."ing, you can look up kittiesandtitties on tumblr without touching anything.
isn't technology just mahvelous
 
@Loktar my thoughts every time I stand up from you-know-what
 
I'm very sorry about the dissing... I'll stop
 
HAMMERTIME!
 
can't touch this
 
8:09 PM
@Shane woosh
disacree
dis a cree
 
The Cree (historical autonym: Nēhiraw; French: cri) are one of the largest groups of First Nations in North America, with over 200,000 members living in Canada. The major proportion of Cree in Canada live north and west of Lake Superior, in Ontario, Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Alberta and the Northwest Territories. About 38,000 live in Quebec. In the United States, this Algonquian-speaking people historically lived from Lake Superior westward. Today, they live mostly in Montana, where they share a reservation with the Ojibwe (Chippewa). The documented westward migration over time has been strongly...
 
hehe
er... not what I meant
 
Hey @Shane, just for your information here is my final code before I put server stuff on it, jsfiddle.net/wy1p5b2m/5
:)
Thank's for your time and help sooner today :)
 
clipboard fail
 
8:10 PM
@rlemon was it porn ? :P
 
no
 
@JonathanLafleur cool man, if you want to take it a bit further you can mock up some JSON and pass in pieces of it
that's one way to simulate server calls before the services are ready, etc
 
@Shane service are already ready :) waiting for this part :)
 
ah, right on
 
I made it the wrong way hahaha
 
8:12 PM
@SterlingArcher bandsaw is setup
I'm going to start planning your watchbox soon
 
@rlemon what kind of bandsaw?
 
electric
 
I had a cheap delta one time, nearly took my hand off
got rid of it
the blade slipped, it was horrible
 
oh cool
 
8:13 PM
table/miter saw for everything else.
 
yeah, same here
I was thinking about that and a drill press
 
got a drillpress recently as well :D
Holly spoiled me on my bday
 
I've got a dremel press which is pretty cool, but I need bigger stuff
noice
 
it's an awful place to be at
 
8:14 PM
cool... you happy with them?
 
but they have such good stuff
 
I was looking at those the other day
 
@ssube not in Canada
I could spend hours walking around that place
@Shane too early to tell on the bandsaw
 
you know what's rockin in the states... is harbor freight
 
drill press is excellent
 
8:15 PM
just don't by your main tools there
cool
 
only thing left that I should probably get is a planer
 
I burned up my last one (it was a cheap piece of crap though)
planers are surprisingly expensive
 
yea..
 
I've thought about it, but I need to stay married
 
I have a few hand planers
 
8:16 PM
I could get away with the other stuff, but not a power planer
 
but I would love a small 12" autoplaner
 
@rlemon oh, they're really unpleasant to be in here
 
yeah...
 
and a spindle sander
 
8:16 PM
I keep trying to figure out how make my router table a spindle sander
but the up and down motion isn't there
 
I have this tiny little belt / disk sander combo which works pretty well
 
yea I have one of those
no inside edge sanding tho
 
and this other tiny adoreable disk sander that shocks you when you touch it (from harbor freight)
 
right now I just put a drum on my drill
but that isn't accurate
 
it's a pretty good sander aside from the strong shocks from touching it with your bare skin
hehe, I bet not
 
8:18 PM
> drum on my drill
 
@Shane have you tried grounding it somehow?
 
I have a small hand vibration sander (Husky?) a crap hand belt sander and the two in one disk/belt
 
yeah, it's clearly got a short in there somewhere
hey... question for you
where can I get a squirrel cage blower in canada, cheap
 
@Shane hey, if you ever need a tool repaired stop on by for a beer.
@Shane make one
 
might do that at some point
 
8:19 PM
well, what for?
 
> I have a small hand vibrat[or]
 
I want to make an air filter
 
yea make one
 
hmm, k
 
there is hundreds of youtubes on it
 
8:20 PM
You darn kids and your youtubes
 
otherwise, I wouldn't know -- I'd just get the motor from like a surplus store and make my own
 
that's a lot of work for the blower, haha
I have three kids man, nowhere near that much time :(
 
that's what she... @KendallFrey
 
:P
you want cheap, DIY
 
oh I'm jealous.. not judging
 
8:21 PM
too many euphemisms here.
 
I want fast more than cheap for this one
 
there's another
 
@Shane otherwise you can just get a used leaf blower
 
how's that one, ndugger, yup
 
it's not just me, right?
 
8:21 PM
oh riiight... good call
 
who's leaf?
 
less than $30
 
badum-tsch
 
something like one of these woodworkingtalk.com/attachments/f32/… is the end goal
 
8:22 PM
leaf blower + exhaust tubing + furnace filter
 
zactly
 
well, collection bin before furnace filter
 
table saw is in the basement, I've got a shop vac on the table saw, but I still need the filter to keep the dust down
 
ahh, my shops in the garage.
I just crack the door and put a industrial fan on it
 
mine was... had a three car garage at the last place :(
miss that pretty bad
 
8:23 PM
only one car
I wish I had more room
 
Always, problem is you just fill it up with more crap
well, if you're human
 
finished the closet, now I have room to move things around before winter
want to get it cleaned right up and organized
then we'll see if that lasts till jan
 
you have heat in the garage?
guessing not, I never have
 
don't need it
insulated walls and attached to the house
never gets < 3c
 
see... I'm more of a little bitch when it comes to cold
I need at least 10 without gloves I can't stand being out there for more than 30 minutes or so, didn't grow up here...
 
8:27 PM
Ahh
I don't mind. And it's usually 9-10c
Just at the worst it gets 3c
 
North Carolina's sub tropical... 3c was midnight dead of winter on a bad day
 
And when you're working it isn't so bad. No wind so no problems
 
if I saw frost on my windsheild, I noticed
 
ahh man. Debates tonight. That is gonna be a shit show.
 
@Luggage woo
 
8:29 PM
@Luggage oh dear god it is
depressing pile of shit
 
Entertainment
 
except those are the pilots flying the plane
now I know Hillary can fly the plane... it's more what the people react to in the booths that scares me
 
To an extent.. I doubt anything will change for me unless one of them starts ww3
 
remember jQuery is the lib of choice, right?
I wouldn't be too sure, collapse of the US dollar would hurt pretty bad
 
Java is basic for HTM
 
8:30 PM
@rlemon jsut get that wall done.
 
fiat currency's typically only last 40 years
 
Trump = jQuery, Hillary = Angular 1.0
 
and the petro dollar is losing a foothold
 
@Shane the last mini collapse didn't hurt much. Oil prices are a bigger issue
 
yeah
My neighbor works for one of those home building "sprawl" companies that throw up residential everywhere
 
8:32 PM
and I don't see how (albeit not excluding the possibility) that those will change in the next 4/8 years.
 
trying to get him to take a look at a zero carbon footprint mini settlement
 
sprawl is incompatible with a low footprint
 
I wonder if it's possible now, like a mini grid?
well, the way it's done now, sure
 
my property tax was just re-assessed .... I need to get out of the city
 
I want to get into a city.
 
8:33 PM
You put solar everywhere, use geothermal, shared mini grid shift things around... I wonder if it couldn't work
 
if you have geothermal in your area, sure.
but unlikely.
 
@Luggage last assessment was in 2009? or something. anyways, 30% increase
sucks.
 
I think geothermal works pretty much everywhere, no?
 
Solar + wind works in almost every location
assuming large enough area to farm it
 
you have to drill much further down in some areas. it's not really feasible (yet)
 
8:34 PM
go down a hundred feet or so, it's usually above freezing, consistent temp
which is all you need to make it work
 
i think greenland (or iceland, i forget) has easy access to geothermal
 
like how far?
oh, you don't need magma to make it work
 
@Shane open up a chipoltle and farm the bathrooms.
 
you can do it with just ambient soil temperature
 
ohh, you meant for home heating/cooling, not power gernation?
 
8:35 PM
haha
yeah.. right yeah
anywhere you can pull alternative sources of energy for whatever purpose
 
single family homes will always be less efficient than a multi-family building, though
 
dovetail the systems
 
that's why I say that sprawl is incomatible with a low footprint
 
right, yeah
 
so, speaking of off grid living. Cape Brenton in Canada is giving 2 acres of land away for free if you go live there
but it is actually "off grid"
 
8:36 PM
I think it just means more planning, not necessarily impossible or not feasible
cool
I was thinking about doing an off grid "tiny house" instead of a cottage
hell of a lot less money
 
off grid can be inefficient.
 
oh wow, that's out in Nova Scotia
 
@Shane middle of fucking no where
we have products in the area
nice landscape...
 
woah... but The climate of Cape Breton Island is cool and wet although it is warmer than most other places in Canada. The average annual temperature is close to 6 degrees Celsius (43°F). Average summer maximum temperature is 25 degrees Celsius (77°F). Temperatures are rarely above 30°C (86°F).
huh...
how far above sea level? (Have to think about these days ;))
 
8:38 PM
avg for Kitchener still says 25c, but we often (with humidity) go above 35
shit averages are shit
 
oh, read that wrong...
yeah.. fuck Breton Island just opened the page
 
Maybe my brain is failing me or maybe I just haven't run into this before.. but If I want to use jquery to do a post or get to an ActionResult and then have that ActionResult return a view like normal (full refresh to the new page) what do i need to do?

I have my jquery ajax call being made.. i see it hitting my action result. I see the action result returning a view... but then I think it just ends up back at the original jquery XHR request function.
 
show us the client code
 
	$("#RequestType").change(function () {
	    $requestType = $(this);

	    $.ajax({
	        url: resolveUrl('~/Forms/GetNewUserRequestPartial'),
	        dataType: 'html',
	        data: { requestType: $requestType.val() }
	    })
     });
 
you need to handle the success
 
8:42 PM
ignore that the URL says its Getting a partial..
 
like, you say send this data..
and you don't expect anything in return
so nothing happens.
 
right.
so do I just return from the success?
 
you don't
it's async
you handle the new data in the success callback or return a promise and resolve in the success callback or call another callback in the success callback
 
right. I guess i wanted it to somehow stop being async once it hits the server
 
you don't want to do that
you want to use async properly
 
8:45 PM
So I want to return a completely new view from the controller. I am currently doing that. So in my success callback what do I need ot do?
 
what do you need it to do?
 
$.ajax(...).done(function(view) {
  // replace the view contents in here then
});
 
I dont think i really want to use the view HTML to replace an element. I wanted to get a compeltely new page
 
you want to... reload the page when an input changes?
 
but the view is the whole page.
 
8:46 PM
have you googled "replace the current page with ajax results" ??
should give you the results you need
 
so it would be like $('body').html(view); or something weird
but no... it cant be just the body.
I will try googling that
 
now, once you get that going and realise it probably isn't what you need, check out jQuery.fn.load and "replacing partials with jquerys load"
 
@ndugger all my online dates were more attractive in person, except the Vegan
 
because she was vegan
 
@SterlingArcher Strange; most of my dates from online were better looking in pictures
The one downside to this girl I have another date with is that she doesn't drink
 
8:51 PM
@rlemon I am familiar with replacing partials with jquery I was just trying to go against the grain and do some sort of full page refresh with it.
not a refresh. but redirecting or getting a new page
 
you then have to worry about stylesheets/running scripts in memory/etc
you can't just dump a new page
it isn't that easy
it can be done ofc, lots of pages do it
easier to have a master and load in partials tho imo
 
right
 
@ndugger i don't drink either
 
I love to drink
 
@ndugger (tink)
 
8:55 PM
@ndugger both of my grand dads were alcoholics
 
in my case it's more the sad crushing pain of daily life than having fun, but hey...
 
@Shane you can do both
 
I've heard
 
i have the genes for it
 
@SterlingArcher youtube.com/watch?v=A21wxZKiao8 wear headphones
 
8:57 PM
is that dwight?
from the office?
 
oh boy here we go
 
what did I just do?
oh, you mean the video
I thought I stepped on another landmine
 
we don't take kindly to the office around here
 
so, there was an error and the local JS meetup (JSOxford) and the local PHP meetup (PHPOxford) booked the same place in the same day at 30mins of time distance. Now they're combining the meetups... it feels awkward but fun. Their first comment on the subject was "plz no leftpad jokes"
 
that's surprising
 
8:59 PM
People are still going on about leftPad?
 
$plz_noLeftPadjokes
phpls
 
@towc nice, now you get to hang out with a bunch of temp workers who don't know anything about classes and think $ solves all their problems.
 
@ssube js meetups?
that wasn't my experience at all... only went once though
I thought the toronto one was pretty good at least
 
@Shane that applies to both JS and PHP, but mostly PHP
 
doesn't $ solve all problems?
 
9:02 PM
you in or near a large city?
I can see how they would suck as you go out, but I would think they'd be pretty good in the city
there were maybe two starters in the room and several people were taking them under their wing, it was pretty impressive
 
the JSOxford blokes are pretty clever guys actually
 
@Shane of course. What do I look like, some unemployed ruffian with two teeth, married to my sister and driving through puddles of mud?
 
is that a rhetorical question?
 
Not technically, since my monitors aren't mirrored, but effectively yes. :P
 
heh
just saying I wouldn't give up on meetups, I've seen good ones and most of my friends have said the same when they've gone
 
9:05 PM
> Recommended Video: Don't Boil Your iPhone6s in Crayons
Well fuck, I was just about to do that...
 
lot of guys in there with pretty significant npm modules in there
@Sterling Archer that sounds just like my wife
ahem, first thing you said...
 
I mean...
 
@towc not if they hang out with phpeople
 
boop
 
we just want to make the web great again
 
9:12 PM
oi
Apparently you guys are trolls -> hackernoon.com/…
 
I do agree that the new SO user experience might not be the best. Sometimes you don't know what to search for, so you might duplicate a question or it might be on another StackExchange site
 
@taco maybe the ui needs some tweaking then
especially if so know that the account is new, searching for your question should be clearer than submitting a question
 
Unite the EULA for all of the SE sites. I'm thinking if your answer belongs on another site, there should be a dropdown for the Mod to select from SE sites, so it can be airplaned over to the other mods.
 
eh, search is a very hard beast to tame, especially with programming related questions.
 
9:23 PM
True
 
@KevinB i find a lot of my questions on google first
only the obscure questions that are often tailored to me do i come to so for
 
I can never find the canonical questions i'm looking for using SO search, even when i type in what i think i remember the title to be. google gets to it every time.
 
Searching for operators used to suck
Now it is okay
 
Search is hard for everybody, as shown by my GIF Bing search for the term "found it" in iOS 10 on my Apple phone
 
The duplicate question search is especially awful, even the overall so site search returns better results.
 
9:26 PM
why they chose Bing though, I don't know, but it makes me a sad panda
StackOverflow is 1,000,000x better than Experts Exchange ever was though (sp? Expert sex change?)
 
!!don't you hate pants?
 
@rlemon That didn't make much sense. Maybe you meant: doit
 
!!giphy don't you hate pants?
 
It's Homer you dork
 
9:27 PM
what's always bothered me is people always complain and complain about people asking questions like "how do i do x?" and yet those same people are often perfectly fine with questions like "My code throws an error plz fix"
when the former is likely to be useful to a far larger number of people than the latter.
 
Yeah you can't fix stupid, but you can fix how duplicate questions are answered/handled.
 
Right, and that ties into it too. the "my code throws an error" type question is almost always a duplicate. there are only a finite number of ways a particular error can be thrown. Yes, the code may differ question to question, but the problem is the same. but it's extremely hard to close those as duplicates most of the time simply because you can't find one.
 
So yeah, you shouldn't need a cable subscription to watch the debates tonight. Just go to CNN.com/go
 
it's far easier to just answer.
both for the answerer and the asker
 
lunch is over, cya guys
 
9:33 PM
> You are watching a preview of CNN Go, Sign In [10 minute countdown]
well now
 
when does that start?
 
other countdown says 3+ hours
 
i was thinking it was at 7cst
 
9:48 PM
hey
 
...
 
anyone have trouble doing a gulp dev on a ReactJS project or is it just me?
 
well... considering you define what gulp dev does..
 
I reinstalled node and deleted the node modules, done a fresh install
 
right, but my point is gulp dev for you could be completely different from anyone else's gulp dev
 
9:52 PM
ok yeah well normally it started a dev server and hosted the ReactJS project
but whatever funked up the same branch now won't build
don't have the work machine now so can't give more specific details
gonna take a bash at it again tommorrow
 
He's saying that he has no idea what is wrong with YOUR gulp dev since they are all (potntially) different.
did you write your gulp file or use a template?
you say "dev server" which makes me think you are using webpack, but I don't know that.
 
 
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