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6:00 PM
then there is precedence for them to actually deliver what they promised
 
People preordering games now deserve what they get anyway lol
 
@Loktar different strokes for different folks
 
@bitten and different folks get... bitten ;)
 
@Loktar :p
 
I don't get it; from what I've played, it's exactly what they promised to deliver, and I actually enjoy it, for the most part.
 
6:00 PM
@Loktar We as a community have been saying don't pre-order for several years. Especially with the AAA gaming studios. Unfortunately the idiots still do it because they're trying to add all sorts of fancy pre-order stuff.
 
@ndugger they lied about multiplayer
 
@Loktar I 100% agree, but I think it is shitty that we cannot trust their adverts. if you bought a car because they showed you a bunch of performance videos and shit wouldn't you be pissed if they greatly under delivered?
wait, truck*
 
Right now they're about 17 thousand concurrent players at peak time.
 
;)
 
@rlemon I woudl test drive it
you could very well watch a twitch stream
I don't need to buy a car day one of release
 
6:01 PM
@Loktar Meh, I don't see a loss there since they said it would be highly improbably to see another player anyways. I went into it expecting it to be single player
 
not the point, and like I said I get your point.. but I'm still irked that it is common place for games/movies to under-deliver and people are so casual about it
 
@Loktar that's kinda what steam has given the opportunity for people to do, or at least turn this situation into
 
> well, don't trust them / pre-order idiot
shouldn't be the case at all..
 
"okay guys you're mad but yeah, think of it like a test drive, have a refund if you want"
 
iirc steam refunds are actually supposed to be for technical or price issues
same with Gog refunds
Origin has the most liberal refund system
 
6:02 PM
Steam usually doesn't offer refunds over 2 hours.
 
if steam allowed me to rent games for $1 a weekend or something, ohh man that would be awesome
 
Usually it's a sign of a big fuck up if they do.
 
@Trasiva according to most besides the click bait articles they still aren't
 
@Loktar lol yeah, i got so many free donuts on tapped out
 
check any of those huge reddit threads
you will see tons of people calling BS, how they are trying to refund and still can't
friend of mine tried to after 3 hours of playtime and couldn't on day one
 
6:04 PM
> Request refund in the normal way, you'll most likely get refused (automated reply). Then open a ticket, you'll get it when they reply.
 
they should have just slapped the early access title on it
then no one can complain
 
@Loktar that's a good idea
 
then they would have had to charge half the price tho
 
@rlemon why?
 
Rust is in that land and it's had so many screw ups and they are forgiven for that reason
 
6:04 PM
Dayz didn't
@bitten yeah good example
 
I just think that everyone needs to just keep calm and collect more plutonium
 
@ndugger haha
 
not many people will pay $60 for early access. some games might have had success at that price point but I don't see many
 
yeah I don't even mind the game.
 
and the more expensive ones I have seen ($35+) have complaints on their forums/reddit
 
6:05 PM
the hate train is funny
you have people who didnt even buy/play it getting in on it ;)
@rlemon with the hype behind NMS it would have done fine in EA
but they couldn't release it on the PS4 then
 
on another topic, could any webpack people care to show what i'm doing wrong with my babel loader?
 
they would have probably done better not to relase it on ps4 period
half the complaints I saw on reddit were ps4 issues
 
the ps4 vs looked like a pile of trash
and PC players have no excuse
 
One guy mentioned in the megathread that there's been seven patches, with no other notes but 'Bug Fixes' for the PS4.
 
since they had a good 3 days to see gameplay before
 
6:06 PM
I was subbed for the no mans sky subreddit for all of like 3 days
that sub is toxic :P
 
@Loktar You mean that guy that paid $1500 for a leaked copy and was streaming it?
 
@Trasiva no, the PS4 vs came out 3 days prior to the PC vs
 
Oh
 
the whole multiplayer issue came from the PS4 vs
so PC players knew what they were getting into, potentially
 
Like I said, I'm not holding a pitchfork or a torch in this situation. I did not buy the game, but I saw the post come across my reddit feed and I thought I'd pass it along.
 
6:08 PM
just dumb consumers imo. If you can't afford to lose $60 on a game... you probably shouldn't be spending $60 on a game.
on the flipside NMS devs shouldn't have lied about MP
but when caught in the lie like 2 days before PC release... people who felt strongly shouldn't have purchased it (duh)
 
Right
 
I bought it on Gog
so my kids and I all played it, DRM free yay :)
 
@Loktar never buy what you can't afford to replace
(i didn't think it could apply to games.. i guess it can)
 
I refuse to pre-order these days. I even waited to buy Doom until it'd been out for a while.
 
@bitten well games are purely recreational
 
6:10 PM
Good evening.
 
so if you can't afford to lose $60, don't buy games imo lol
 
Can anyone help me with threejs?
 
@Loktar That's the biggest thing people don't seem to get.
 
Poor people shouldn't be having fun; they should devote all of their time to saving up their money to become unpoor.
 
@ndugger not sure if you're being sarcastic, but they should at least take pause to see if it's a worthwhile purchase
 
6:12 PM
@ndugger I'm broke as a mother fucker, but I still plan accordingly if I want to buy something.
 
!!welcome teivaz
 
@teivaz what's up?
 
@teivaz Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
 
@Loktar I definitely was being sarcastic
 
I would hope a poor person isn't running out day 1 to buy $60 games
 
6:12 PM
I have three cameras on scene and I need to move smoothly from one to another. But I can't get which parameters are sufficient for that
 
> sorry johnny daddy needs his day one purchased games!
 
Poor people don't even have legs; how can they run?
 
@teivaz camera.position.set(x,y,z) would be enough
 
And what about up vector?
And moreover cameras are ortho
 
@bitten is it just babel, or babel-loader?
 
6:13 PM
well if you just want to move in one direction then just use or camera.position.y += 10` and so on`
@Loktar babel-loader
 
I use an older vs of bable, so my loader looks like this
 
@teivaz Your question is basically meaningless without defining "move smoothly"
 
{ test: /\.jsx?$/, exclude: /node_modules/, loader: 'babel-loader?stage=0' },
 
you can drop the -loader now
 
ah nice
 
6:14 PM
@Loktar It happens more than you think.
 
i'll put it back in though
 
Move smoothly is just a tween along some set of parameters which I'm trying to figure out
 
@teivaz and for moving smoothly, i would look into gsap
 
@bitten that's what she... sorry
 
@teivaz tween camera.position
 
6:15 PM
@ndugger Liar. We both know you're not sorry.
 
@ndugger ahh i really did not see that coming
 
@bitten I'l try with position, but for sure I need also an up vector
 
I only say sorry so I don't get flagged as much
 
@teivaz Are you trying to animate the camera's position, or just the camera's angle (assuming you're looking at the same point the whole way)
 
@teivaz threejs is y-up, if that's what you want to know?
 
6:16 PM
No, I have different views set up in bleneder and then i need to switch between that views. If it was just switching there would be no problem =)
 
@SterlingArcher i.imgur.com/0RDYJdq.jpg
 
Right, but how do you want to switch between the views?
Do you want to move the camera in a straight line?
 
@Loktar naw, appending loader didn't help but thanks!
 
Are the views looking at the same thing, or do you need to animate the rotation to look at something else?
 
I haven't played pokemon in a couple weeks now :(
 
6:18 PM
@bitten :( yeah sorry I couldnt actually help, that all looks foriegn vs the old way :p
 
pokemon is bad
 
@SterlingArcher hah dude I called it when it came out
 
@SterlingArcher cured!
 
I said once school starts pokemon go will be uncool
my son hasn't played for 2 weeks or so
 
yeah maybe i'll just go back to the .babelrc
 
6:19 PM
I just got tired of not finding any good pokemon
Until a new update comes out I prolly wont play it
I did download Goat Simulator for my phone though lol
 
I got stuck at level 15
and always found crap pokemon as well
 
Canada has too few stops
Im perpetually out of balls
2
 
@SterlingArcher I uninstalled it, the changes to catching plus removing the tracking more or less broke the game.
 
lol wtf
 
6:32 PM
@bitten thank you, I ended up with camera.position.copy(camera2.position); camera.rotation(camera2.rotation) Plus there goes up, down, left and right
 
@KendallFrey oh my god
 
Trigger discipline D:
idk if it's a joke or not even loaded u dumb
 
@SterlingArcher Mein Gott
 
@SterlingArcher Let a mother fucker growl at me like that.
 
6:40 PM
Hey if my dog barks like DMX he can do it all he wants I'll just make fire mixtapes
 
@SterlingArcher Booger hook on the bang switch, if you're not shooting get off it bitch.
 
is a rocket propelled fork considered a concealed weapon?
I'm asking for a friend.
 
@rlemon depends if it's concealed, obviously
 
I've got like 6-7 model rocket engines
just the small ones
 
6:46 PM
I should get back into model rocketry
 
I used to love doing it
 
@KendallFrey my model rocketry experience: made a rocket that claimed to go 1500ft, I think it went the full distance... then the chute opened and it went bye-bye
 
Those rocket engines weren't cheap though. : /
 
pretty sure it probably ended up near your house
:/
 
> then the chute opened and it went bye-bye
I don't understand this description of events
 
6:49 PM
!!afk Chipolte time.
 
it's the engine that makes it go bye-bye
 
the parachute opened, a small gust of wind that wasn't present at the ground level decided it didn't need to fall anywhere near the field I launched it in
it was out of sight a few minutes later, looked no closer to the ground. damn no weight cardboard rockets.
 
I like to imagine someone woke up and found it in their tree or something and was very confused.
 
My favorite
 
6:51 PM
@SterlingArcher tactical hamster win every time
 
no, stick
 
no, shark
 
I'm no doctor, but if your "blaster" is brightly coloured with an orange tip, something bad is happening.
 
@teivaz nice to hear it
 
6:55 PM
@KendallFrey or you are a dog
 
still applies
 
idk. depends on if you're into that stuff.
 
that was... surprisingly good
 
7:15 PM
jsfiddle.net/rlemon/48Lt596m is there a more concise way to do this? the second for block increment is terribly hard to read
 
meh.. if it's unclear, just comment.
It took me most of the time realizing that your were just doing first/last on all the middle rows.. but once I got that it wasn't bad
 
@rlemon, why don't you make a black rectangle and then a white rectangle?
 
@Narigo Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
 
assume that he's drawing it in squares for a reason.
 
^
the fact that they are all the same colour is just simplicity of example
conceptually I like the x/y loops, but if I only need the outer rows I'm kinda tempted to run four separate loops (just toss traversal in a function and call it four times)
 
7:27 PM
well, rectangles.. but..
 
I think (no testing done) the latter would be faster
 
@rlemon just do the increment in the loop?
 
what do you mean?
 
for (var x = 0;;) { x += ... }
 
hrm, I suppose
 
7:28 PM
or export to a function
 
In order to let you write multiple clear statements instead of one expression. Meh.
 
So you want to put a border around something, @rlemon
?
(with different sizes, I suppose..)
 
no
I want to read the border of something into a grid
 
@rlemon your code looks fine for what you're doing.
 
7:34 PM
One comment resolves any confusion.
 
ha! in the example :P the cludge of code in my poc is a pos :D
 
I'm still unsure why you can't paint everything and then the white rectangle, but I'm sure you have a reason.
 
because why process the middle of the source
wasted efforts
 
and current predictions already put us running out of pixels in 2035.
 
I'm not sure filling rectangles this way is slower
 
7:37 PM
forget the render, that is just for my visual debugging.
I need to read the average colour for variable sized border 'grid'
 
Would it be correct to say that: You only have meaningful values for the squares around the edge?
 
yes
but I need the actual bounds of those squares to average their contents
 
ew, var
:P
if I was pushing it out to a function I'd switch from looping on an x/y and just loop all four sides on their own
I'll test that actually, sounds faster
 
generator..
 
7:39 PM
I tried with a generator, wasn't cleaner @Luggage
 
if he's going to make "4 different loops", then a generator is how you could package that up.
 
like anyone memorizes their MAC address.
 
Do you not?
 
7:48 PM
That's why you're not Mrs. Robot
 
ohhh. Gene Wilder died.
@Luggage A:P:P:L:E:0
 
oh from Alzheimer's, sad :(
 
Yea, that JUST hit my RSS feed.
 
@Trasiva "earlier this month" apparently
 
user1596138
Remember when Android wasn't the half broken mobile OS with incomplete menus and circular logic in the error messages?
 
user1596138
7:56 PM
I miss that.
 
@Neal I didn't see that.
 
my only problem with my android is that my GPS is toasted
but I'm like 99% positive that is a hardware issue
 
user1596138
Right now it's telling me I can't disable locations for an app that I have screen overlays enabled for. But the app in question does not have screen overlay at all, and it is also disabled (duh, it doesn't exist)
 
user1596138
It sends me back and forth between the locations page and the overlay page lmao. Does this for every permission on every app on the phone I tried.
 
@Neal 10 seconds ago is earlier this month
 
7:58 PM
@Neal hm?
 
user1596138
Time to delete snapchat then. Because it's what's requesting my location most and it doesn't even have any location-based features...
 
what phone?
 
user1596138
LG V10
 
because after owning a few now, depending on what the vendor puts on your phone android can be a blessing or a curse
 
user1596138
@rlemon Lol I agree!
 

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