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6:00 PM
cap refreshes like once/twice a week tops
 
Now in this hours if I continuously fires 2 ajax request for every 7 seconds and 2 seconds then it will degrade my page performance?
 
If you're sending requests periodically (every n ms) you'll want to send as few as possible, because adding just one more of course doubles the number you send in an hour.
 
@Learning learn about how garbage collection in js works
 
only if you have a memory leak
 
You should use websockets
 
6:01 PM
flash
 
multiply that by the number of clients listening and the problem compounds
 
java applet
 
@rlemon I wasn't prying about that kind of stimulation... if it's neither cakes nor cookies, what else is there?
 
beer
 
@FilipDupanović necks
 
6:01 PM
@KevinB that will be actually running on only 2-3 clients computer
 
@FilipDupanović I don't like sweets
 
I much prefer salty and savoury to sweet. If I could have a big hamburger right now, that would be glorious.
 
Increase the interval to 30-60 seconds and use longpolling (if you can't use websockets)
 
I haven't had red meat in a couple of weeks, though
 
@rlemon I have read little bit about garbage collector in js
 
6:02 PM
Sooo, apparently my co-workers never realized I'm a fast eater, lol.
 
@Learning read a lotta bit
 
I like all kinds of food. Everything is my weak spot :(
 
GC is super important for long-running tasks
 
@KevinB sorry I cant increase interval
 
If you keep it up, everything will be your fat spot
 
6:03 PM
I enjoy sour candy -- that is the only candy I eat
 
If you use long polling, the longer interval won't matter
 
@KendallFrey <3
 
and not often anymore because I value my teeth
 
@KevinB if you have a few clients and do it well, normal polling for batch changes won't be bad
 
you'll get the data almost as soon as it's available
 
6:03 PM
My weakness is crystal meth!
 
!!s/\?/!/
oh shoot
whatever
 
lol
 
dammit
 
ninja'd
 
:)
 
6:05 PM
Mmmm, burger.
 
@rlemon How much night sky can you see from your place? The next few weeks will be good for spotting the ISS
 
sadly not much
 
I just managed to see it last night
 
too much light pollution in my area
 
!!s/(S)$/I$1/
 
6:06 PM
@ndugger @rlemon How much night sky can you see from your place? The next few weeks will be good for spotting the ISIS (source)
 
@KendallFrey this should paint a good picture of how limited my star gazing is
 
Now I know where you live. Gonna TP your house
 
smack in the middle of a sub devision
 
I wonder if morning would be better
 
6:08 PM
@rlemon Looks like there's a whole field you could go to.
 
@ndugger better bring your own, they don't use TP in Canada
 
@Megaplex I'm not sure how you got to this age and didn't realize that flat land doesn't block light real well.
 
visible morning passes will be in about half a year
I think
actually they happen twice a year
it's complicated
 
if I drove out of the city a few minutes I probably could see it
 
@ssube thought you might be interested (you can ignore the marketingy bits): platform.sh/blog/containers-are-the-new-static-binaries
 
6:09 PM
but in kitchener there is no chance
 
Can you see planets?
 
@KendallFrey man, I want a setup to take pictures of space :(
 
@KendallFrey nope
 
@rlemon ...I was addressing that field north of you was all. It looks like you could have mitigated it a bit.
 
ouch
 
6:10 PM
@Megaplex that's a ~1acre swamp
surrounded by suburbs
 
@rlemon As you were then. : /
 
@Megaplex like I could easily drive somewhere to see it
 
Moving to an open field won't make it much better, you'd have to go many miles out to get away from the light a city puts out. We're ~ 5 miles out and there's still too much light
 
just not a chance in hell from my area
@KevinB I'm basically at the edge of the city -- few minutes out and I'm okay for the most part
but I agree
 
6:12 PM
I've never dealt with light pollution. I live where it's pretty minimal.
 
the middle of the desert?
 
In the middle of the night during winter, I can see so fucking much
 
light polution is everywhere.. you don't notice what you miss out due to it
 
I live in the middle of a dessert
 
6:13 PM
@Luggage Edge of undeveloped land.
 
@KendallFrey when I visited my grandparents in Barrie it was perfect.
but they lived in farm land area
 
@Luggage shiny dots in the sky, to begin with
 
isn't the edge of undeveloped land the edge of developed land? :)
 
our problem is less than a mile away there's a convention center that's always very well lit... i forgot about that
 
I know I've never seen the milky way across the sky like some places on earth can.
 
6:14 PM
 
^ edge of the city
 
The worst light pollution I've had was while living in Houston
 
@KendallFrey @SterlingArcher holy shit they're flying now!
 
The girl I'm talking to is from Houston
 
6:16 PM
#stickWinEveryTime
 
God help us all
!!afk contemplating stick
 
@SterlingArcher What's that have to do with anything? Does she have an accent?
 
IT IS AN INTERESTING ANECDOTE!
 
s/interesting//i
 
anecdotes by definition are interesting
:D
#anecdoteWinEveryTime
 
6:19 PM
@rlemon I'll anec your dote!
 
it's not an anecdote, it's small-batch artisnal data!
 
@KevinB firing request every 4-5 seconds will take memory consumptions?
 
@Learning anything can consume memory if you fuck it up
figure out how the GC works, and make sure you don't introduce any memory leaks
 
So.. I need to gather a big JSON blob for reporting. I am thinking of putting all the objects that get referenced a lot into their own list to reduce the size. e.g.
{
    worksheets: [ //the main object I am reporting on
        {
            user: 123,
            ...
        },
        ...
    ],
    lookups: {
        users: [ { id: 123, name: 'blah' }, ... ]
    }
}
I know JSON doesn't have any way to 'reference' other objects.. but is there a common convention for that?
 
big JSON blob: @Loktar when he's old and diabetic
 
6:23 PM
@rlemon thanks and by the way I like your beards
 
Meh. I'm not so obsessed about size that I want another format. Just de-duplicating some of the common objects saves a lot.
 
@Luggage I think JSON schema supports references
 
yea.. JSON schema does.. I use that.. yea
 
@Luggage gzip in transit
 
6:24 PM
@Luggage object id :D
 
gzip is great at deduping
 
Also, sometimes this will be read by Newtonsoft JSON.NET so I should look and see if that supports anything..
 
JSON is for trees though, if you're not using someting that's a tree don't use json
@Luggage it does (support circular JSON)
 
@rlemon What did the buffalo's father say when he left for college? "Bye son."
 
This might even be over-optimization.. I am just streaming the json to another process and throwing it away..
 
6:26 PM
@Luggage json.SerializerSettings.PreserveReferencesHandling = Newtonsoft.Json.PreserveReferencesHandling.Objects;
Will create $refs that can be deserialized IIRC.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum roger. will look at that
welll. I'll create the refs. I am serializing in node.
 
ugh, I had turkish food for lunch. I think it was bad, now I falafel
 
and deserializeing in .NET or node, depending on if I am making an Excel file or PDF.
 
@Luggage all of that nonsense will lock you into the libraries
 
I think Crockford's JSON parsing does $ref and $id too which will work with your .NET stuff.
 
6:27 PM
when are you worried about the size?
 
Which begs the question - why use JSON?
JSON is for trees
 
I'm not dead-set on json.
there are trees?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum JSON is for generic JS-compatible transit
 
one sec, I'll generate sample data.
 
it's perfectly good for lists and plenty of other non-tree things
 
6:28 PM
JSON is not JS compatible (and not even vice versa).
Also - Lists are trees.
 
lol
 
It's a special case of a tree.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum seems legit
 
I'm serious.
Lots of JS objects are not JSON objects and vice versa (assuming of course you look at both as strings).
People just don't realize this because they don't really care about encoding.
 
6:30 PM
citation needed
the whole point of JSON is to be a limited set of JS objects
 
13
Q: Are all JSON objects also valid JavaScript objects?

Benjamin GruenbaumThe JSON standard defines objects in one way and the ECMAScript (JavaScript) standard defines it in another. It is often said that JSON objects are a subset of JavaScript objects, is this true? Is every JSON object also a valid JavaScript object?

Bam
drops mic
 
the "worksheets" are the main object.
 
@Luggage that data belongs in a database
Also guids make for terrible identifiers
 
It IS in a database
 
Oh, then why do you need to send that much data from it at once?
 
6:32 PM
I gather it to feed it to a program that makes excel files.
 
As a JSON
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum aright, so if you add some line/para breaks, you can break the subset-ness.
 
or PDF
 
Anyone know in jQuery if a person no longer active on element then {//do this}?
 
also, that's a small sample. The real ones will be 100's of worksheets
 
6:33 PM
@Tarson that makes no sense.
 
@ssube there are other cases related to encoding and how surrogate pairs work. I ran into a bunch when I worked on a ECMAScript proposal - I can dig them up some time.
But yeah, I ignore that difference sometimes myself.
 
@ssube How's it not make sense?
 
@Luggage I wouldn't go through JSON, I would do the whole thing in C# and from a database.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum You still have to intentionally throw in some very unusual characters
 
@Tarson parseError failed: not a valid sentence
 
6:34 PM
@ssube or do anything where some of your data has to do anything with user input.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I've prefer not to duplicate my app logic in c#
 
@Tarson what does "if a person is no longer active on element" mean?
 
So the new hire is supposed to be helping me with the wbsite.
 
@Luggage Oh, your code is in Node and you need to send it to C# for producing excel?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum which you can avoid entirely by escaping the proper class of unicode points
 
6:35 PM
@Megaplex you do realize that'll probably cause you more work?
 
Yup. I couldn't find a good excel writer in JS
 
@ssube If a user were to no longer is using lets say a range input
 
@Codeman -I- didn't get a choice in this.
 
@ssube I'm not sure you can - are you?
 
6:35 PM
@Megaplex fun
 
But, she tells me, 'I don't know Javascript, I know jQuery though!"
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum pretty sure, lemme check the unicode spec
 
@Megaplex it's a fair comment though
 
@bitten What? Not even...
 
@Megaplex yes, one can know a library and not the language
 
6:36 PM
Alternatively, I send it more JS code (separate process because it can take several seconds of CPU time) and output XML to feed into Apache FOP to produce PDF files
 
@bitten the argument is that they should most definitely know the language before using the library.
 
^
 
@ndugger baby steps
 
We get too many shitty devs because of this
@bitten no; do it the right way
 
@Luggage get some SOAP in there, hit all the bad formats
 
6:37 PM
But in both cases, I apply as much of the 'logic' to the objects as possible then hand it off to another process that just deals with making XSLX or PDF files.
 
Since I'm responsible for her training, she's not touching anything on the front end until she learns vanilla.
 
i'd rather introduce someone to writing web apps through jquery than vanilla javascript
okay not web apps, i take that back
 
@Megaplex that's fine, let her write the html and css then.
 
but interactivity on a webpage
 
Ew
your opinion offends my braincells
 
6:37 PM
I generally agree with @bitten here
jQuery is actually much better documented and there are a lot of examples for it.
 
So just because it's easier, you'd rather have people do things the wrong way? Great.
 
I do too... she just needs to get to writing code. you only get better with practice,
 
brb, gotta pee
 
@Luggage could you cut corners and output SVG?
 
@ssube are you saying that because I am generating ML and you find that icky?
 
6:38 PM
better to start somewhere familiar than not,
 
@ndugger I'd rather people do things the approachable way. Otherwise they give up.
43
A: How can Stack Overflow users be encouraged to use jQuery only when appropriate?

Benjamin GruenbaumWhile I am a strong proponent of JavaScript education myself, and learning how to get stuff done without relying on thousands of lines of external code... Let me play the devil's advocate. Let's say you're writing an application that has to only run on modern browsers (old IE support is a big ...

 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Yea, I'm not doing that. I've given her a handful of JS to write using vanilla only for some local pages I wrote for her.
 
@FilipDupanović No, I need a layout engine like FOP and don't have time to write one from scratch
 
@ndugger my argument - basically ^ * 3
 
6:39 PM
!!wiki FOP
 
FOP or fop may refer to: == Science and technology == Feature-oriented programming, in computer science, software product lines Feature-oriented positioning, in scanning microscopy Fibrodysplasia ossificans progressiva, a connective tissue disease Formatting Objects Processor (or Apache FOP), a Java application that converts XSL Formatting Objects (XSL-FO) files to other formats == Other uses == Fraternal Order of Police, an organization (specifically a labor union) of police officers Fred. Olsen Production (Oslo Stock Exchange symbol), a gas and oil production company Freedom of panorama, the...
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum judging from ecma-international.org/ecma-262/6.0/…, if you escape those 5 code points, your strings will always be valid JS.
 
@Megaplex give her the good parts
 
@FilipDupanović I don't want no FOP, I'm a Dapper Dan man, god damnit!
 
@Luggage it's rare you see XML and PDFs together anymore
 
6:39 PM
@FilipDupanović xmlgraphics.apache.org/fop
@ssube I haven't found an alternative. HTML->PDF lack many features I use
like dealing with table headers, specifying how many lines/rows to keep together in a table, etc.
 
christ, I always forget how much work actually writing code is
 
CSS3 promises to handle it, but in reality.. nope
 
@rlemon Just saw that, it's a pretty old act but still good
 
@Luggage Spire.PDF does a decent job.
 
6:40 PM
Howie loved it :P
 
why is there no decent csp lib for js :(
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum She's got the ability, so I've got some various tasks ranging from replacing elements, loops, event listeners, etc, etc.
 
@AwalGarg csp as continuation passing style?
 
yes
 
@Luggage for a minute there I read "CSS ['s] Promises" and was like "css is getting promises? for what?"
 
6:41 PM
for the past few days I've been trying to figure out a problem with a new angular provider (POC) I was writing. Finally found and fixed the issue and thought I was almost finished, but then actually reworking the POC into production code + unit tests and documentation is taking hours and hours.
 
@Megaplex just let her read the good parts :P
@AwalGarg wat
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Good parts?
 
If people give up just because jquery is easier than javascript, I don't want them working with me on a project anyways
 
FO is stable and this little JSX -> FO project I whipped up is making it manageable: npmjs.com/package/jsx-xsl-fo (oops)
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum a channel creator with generators and promises, basically
 
6:42 PM
@rlemon Have you seen it before? There are some much better ones than that one.
 
@Megaplex no, literally the book "JavaScript: The Good Parts" by Douglas Crockford.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Oh! I had no ideas what you were talking about, haha.
 
>watching gif
 
@AwalGarg I think I know what csp is, but I'm not that convinced you do at this point :P
 
>right click
>no 'show controls'
whut ;_:
 
6:42 PM
@KendallFrey not that particular one. but I do / have watched quite a bit of those talent shows
 
@rlemon not the talent show, The Boy With Tape On His Face
 
> In CPS, each procedure takes an extra argument representing what should be done with the result the function is calculating. This, along with a restrictive style prohibiting a variety of constructs usually available, is used to expose the semantics of programs, making them easier to analyze. This style also makes it easy to express unusual control structures, like catch/throw or other non-local transfers of control.
@AwalGarg sounds familiar :D ?
 
@bitten must be a gif, not a gifv
 
omg it expanded, sorry
 
6:44 PM
Edit it, put a space and a dot
 
no that's not what I am talking about. I mean go like csp
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum @ssube My output: drive.google.com/a/pearwoodtech.com/file/d/…
 
I swear there was a lib containing that and some other async goodies...
 
@AwalGarg go like CSP?
Go has terrible concurrency for things that are not conceptually agents or actors.
 
@ndugger why you don't like jquery?
 
6:45 PM
Have you ever written concurrency in Go? It's great if you want to implement PAXOS, it's terrible if you're doing things normal people do :D
@Luggage permission
 
@Learning Because it's redundant and causes newbies to write bad code because they don't actually know how to program.
 
oops, thought I made tht public
 
I have seen some users on SO who dont like jquery
 
They'll still write bad code if they're writing javascript,
 
5 mins ago, by Benjamin Gruenbaum
@AwalGarg csp as continuation passing style?
 
6:46 PM
they're newbies afterall
 
i think it's a bit of a stretch to say that they aren't learning how to program
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum not that, sorry
 
Feb 19 '13 at 16:12, by John Resig
bad uses of JavaScript existed long before jQuery ever came out - jQuery being popular doesn't stop bad devs from existing, the only thing that stops bad devs is good education, which is why I've written two books and am working at Khan Academy
 
@Learning it's bad at what it does (animations are incredibly slow and the way it handles the DOM is pretty poor) and encourages bad practices.
 
drops mic again
 
6:46 PM
it's just javascript, heh
 
fixed
 
I'm on fire today.
@AwalGarg communicating sequential processes?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I mean communication via sequential processes
 
jQuery doesn't cause anything. it makes it easier to not get lost in the api's because of how the abstraction simplifies things. however one should still (imo) not stop there
 
you can't drop the mic and come back
 
6:47 PM
@AwalGarg oh, I don't think I'd use JS for that, I'd use Elixir probably.
 
@KendallFrey what if you dropped it by accident?
 
yeah, sorry, I read you wrong. both are too similar
 
@bitten that's what we call a "marathon algorithm"
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum in my experience, libraries that make JS more accessible to newbies creates and perpetuates bad/unmaintainable spaghetti code. My experience isn't a lie.
 
@bitten then pick it the fuck up or no one will hear you
 
6:47 PM
@KendallFrey :p
 
however because jQuery makes it easier to get results today, you see a lot of people writing more code --- and if 60% of the medium amount of code was shit, the same percentage of the large amount of code is shit
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I won't use JS for anything ever at all after today, trust me. I just need it now
 
@ndugger that goes for more than just libraries and JS. It's the story of PHP.
 
and therefore you think the problem is jQuery
 
@towc the retarded dorito is fun to watch
 
6:48 PM
If those newbies learn discipline and real programming concepts before they try to use a library, the code quality improves
I've experienced this
 
@rlemon jQuery enables lazy people, just like meth enables meth heads.
 
@ndugger right, but it's not in place of code experienced developers write - it's in addition. I completely agree with the quote.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I already have that working in FO so Spire.PDF would need to be pretty enticing for me to switch
 
I'm probably the farthest thing from a jQuery fan there is.
 
If you don't want to write good code, use jQuery. If you don't want to have a life, use meth.
 
6:48 PM
but jQuery isn't useless and to dismiss it because it makes it easier for inexperienced people to make something work is only hurting yourself.
 
@rlemon the anthelope tho?
 
an experienced developer will take an abstraction and use it to make his job easier
 
@AwalGarg csp is just "callbacks", and it looks like you should look up the actor model of erlang
 
github.com/ubolonton/js-csp goddammit why is this the top result I don't want this
 
@rlemon I never said it was useless; My argument is about whether or not a newbie should learn the language before learning the libraries
 
6:49 PM
@Luggage I would generate the whole thing in HTML and convert it to PDF for sure, makes sense.
 
s/straction/ortion/
 
did you bbq it?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum already tried that. It doesn't handle page breaks.
 
@ndugger but... we're already past that. she knows jquery already, and not javascript apparently (which doesn't make sense, but still)
 
@rlemon as a semi-experienced dev, I think the abstraction jQ provides is a pretty negative one.
 
6:50 PM
@AwalGarg you know what actually sort of is designed around this? Web Workers.
 
There is finally some morement to fix it in webkit
 
@ndugger totally agree with your point of not using library
 
@Luggage sure it does, there is special print CSS for that.
 
@ssube then don't use it. lots of other developers will disagree. I don't like a lot of abstractions but then I like others
 
print css is broken as shit in safari
 
6:50 PM
@ndugger what operating system do you use?
 
@media print { page-break-after: always; } @Luggage
 
nope. talbe headers repeating on pages (CSS3) is still buggy
 
You don't need it in Safari, you do it in Phantom once and generate a PDF
 
@ndugger I swear it's windows vista
 
@bitten I use my own operating system made in jquery and php
 
6:50 PM
and I also use settings to prevent single orphan rows, etc
 
@ssube thanks for clearing one of my biggest doubt about jquery.thanks a ton
 
Yea, I am talking about phantom
 
fuck this I'd write it myself
 
I generate PDF on the server.
 
Tomorrow I will now argue with my senior on this point of what you pointed out
 
6:51 PM
@ndugger is it on github?
 
Trust me.. I'd love to use html and css3 if I could
 
@Learning lol, good luck with that
 
> PHPOS is FREE OPEN SOURCE non-commercial web operating system for everyone. It works in HTML5, CSS3, Javascript/jQuery and PHP5 + SQL technologies.
 
People undervalue how great tools like jQuery and PHP are and how approachable they make things. Approachable code is better than technically-correct-but-very-hard-to-learn code.
 
6:51 PM
@ndugger heh
 
@Luggage use latex
 
hah
 
I don't relaly use much PHP or jQuery, but I stopped dissing people who do.
 
it's not that stupid when you stop and think about it :)
 
no, not stupid, but even more esoteric than FO for generating reports from data
 
6:52 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum in your opinion
 
i think linus torvalos is a pretty cool guy, eh makes development more accessible and perpetuates spaghetti code
 
@ssube of course, this is a chat, we are all expressing our opinions.
 
heh
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum oh yeah jshp should attach jquery automatically to the markup sent to client
 
6:53 PM
@bitten he's pretty cool (and successful) because he does the opposite
 
@FlorianMargaine w3.org/TR/xsl
 
> Approachable is better than simple.
 
@ndugger so you only work with javascript and never use jquery or any jquery library
 
@Luggage and... what's "FO"?
 
6:53 PM
that is FO.
Formatting Objects
 
look at the table of contents.. it's not really about XSL
 
"jshp is the first server technology which controls the client environment and provides you your favorite libs like jQuery and motools automatically!"
 
@bitten I am aware and probably agree to some extent.
 
XSL was created for FO, but I'm not generating my XML that way becasue I find XSL a pain in the ass to use for anything non-trivial
 
6:54 PM
@Learning most of us are not saying that DOM abstractions are bad, we're saying the jQuery is a bad DOM abstraction.
 
@Luggage sorry, I didn't go that far when I saw "xsl"
 
React and Angular accomplish the same things and more, but do so in a much more performant and cleaner manner.
 
@ssube linus torvalds is successful becuase he is a very smart engineer and he is very persistent and has great discipline. Nothing to do with the quality of code other people write.
 
the DOM is terrible; jquery doesn't make it better.
 
Hi guys!
 
6:55 PM
Hi indian
 
better no, easier, yes
 
@AwalGarg "jshp, the first sever technology that injects backdoor scripts like winire in your pages"
 
Mark Zuckerberg is a very successful guy who built a company on spaghetti code that is now worth over 300 billion dollars. It's easy and pointless to bring up anecdotal examples.
 
@ssube well i kindly disagree ^^
 
@ssube React and Angular take control of the way you structure your application and require build steps and tools. They're for writing web apps and not for making web pages dynamic.
 
6:55 PM
@ssube they don't really abstract the dom. they change how you look at dom interactions
 
@AwalGarg ping / pong
 
Personally I use vanilla JavaScript for most things, but if jQuery is available I use it.
 
@Abhishrek "we only do that so that you have a better experience and because we know more about what you want than you do"
 
@rlemon React literally abstracts the DOM though
 
@rlemon they do abstract the DOM
 
6:56 PM
@Abhishrek request completed
 
Anywho.. whataver tool I use for making PDFs doesn't change my current pattern of Get Data -> transform and apply any calulcations and rules in JS -> pipe a stream to whatever external process makes the final result file
 
@ndugger but it makes javascript werk without wondering what will happen to that obscure edge case. it's like bootstrap for javascript
 
comparing them to jQuery tho isn't really the same kinda thing
 
they expose a more usable layer that ends up doing the same thing, which is the definition of an abstraction
 
@AwalGarg "...and we want to collect critical analytical data"
@AwalGarg skype
 
6:56 PM
@bitten bootstrap is also bad
 
tabs vs spaces?
 
@bitten jQ has a million obscure edge cases.
 
@Abhishrek no, I am going to bed in 3 minutes.
 
I actually haven't settled on one
 
@towc SpaceTabs!
 
6:57 PM
!!nudge 3 go to bed
 
@AwalGarg Nudge #1 registered.
 
@towc emoticons
 
@towc 3 spaces.
 
@towc Spaces! but 0. Along with a tab too.
 
I use tabs usually, but then when I need to write my list of vars I sometimes use a tab or a double tab, and when I change the tab width it's all messed up...
 
6:57 PM
@towc i like to do 3 spaces and then a tab
 
@bitten evil person
I once worked with a guy who didn't bother with indentation at all
 
it's the perfect april fools
 
@towc tabs can be inconsistent and inconsistency is not a good thing in software
 
@towc me too
 
@bitten So you're the sadist they warned us about when I was in school.
 
6:59 PM
he also did that thing where when you write an new function you leave like 8-15 empty new lines
 
Tabs are perfectly consistent. Whatever renders them isn't.
 
tabs are more semantic
 
^
^^^
 
@Luggage still, how much work would it be to do some positioning in SVG? you could get away with doing a vector template, exporting it to SVG, populating it in JS and then using something like Acrobat Distiller to build the PDFs
 

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