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4:00 PM
trust me on that
 
@GandalftheWhite I have worked in India
 
@GandalftheWhite And how's that working out for them?
 
they charge a hell lotta' money on the name of experience
 
there are a LOT of exceptional developers
 
Any of them made it out big?
 
4:00 PM
Are you really trying to justify your actions by the actions of others?
 
who contradict your hypothesis
 
@GandalftheWhite Exactly.
 
but they are all self taught
 
You don't need a team of superstars
 
4:01 PM
Exceptional developers that you just named wont work for anything less that 15-20 lac + a year
 
@GandalftheWhite so, after watching other companies fail because they didn't have anybody with experience, you're intentionally doing the same thing?
 
@rlemon I did it. Then lost the pwd. So now I'm sure the gmail won't be available...
 
You need one person who has experience with something relatively close to what you're doing
 
Fail - No
they are well funded
 
Who knows to pretty much predict what will go wrong, and how to plan against it
 
4:01 PM
Just because they're funded doesn't mean they didn't fail. Jesus christ.
 
@Abhishrek Exceptional developers that you just named wont work for anything less that 15-20 lac + a year
Once we get the money we can afford a guy like that
 
@GandalftheWhite I know people who work ~10k RS a month :P
 
but for now we canno
cannot*
 
but they are startup owners so derp
other than that @SomeGuy :P @AwalGarg are very well qualified
 
@DenysSéguret lmao
 
4:02 PM
even @littlepootis :P
 
@GandalftheWhite Usually you temp them with options and stocks
I'm not sure how that works in India though
 
@GandalftheWhite what is that in a real system of currency?
 
Way too many startups here already
 
There are a lot of stupid investors out there, or investors who are predatory on startups that want them to fail so they can not only reclaim their money; but also get all the work done already because you failed on your end of the contract.
 
4:02 PM
it's like a frenzy out there
 
And you need to have confidence in your (as of yet, theoretical) product, enough to convince a competent dev to join you.
@Megaplex Investors who are still investors are not stupid.
Funding 100 projects only for the 1 that makes it out big is not a stupid investment.
 
@Abhishrek ":P" before my name... I see what you did there
 
Well, you are kinda shordinger's professional at times
 
@MadaraUchiha No, you're right there. But there are plenty of first time investors that fall into the startup trap.
 
first time investors?
investors come from ancient banks
 
4:04 PM
@rlemon nice
 
@rlemon I love the internet
 
some cool apps there
 
storied establishments with closets made entirely of skeletons and trillions of dollars in assets
 
@Loktar o/
 
4:05 PM
Lol
 
@MadaraUchiha do you have that shirt?
 
hey @Abhishrek
 
@Abhishrek Heavily considering
 
@Abhishrek I just like to make it apparent that I am a JS dev.
 
@Loktar might be good to bank and show future candidates
 
4:05 PM
Investors here invest in some shit company then they sell it some big company
 
or even people at your work getting into React
 
@AwalGarg not talking about the js part (:
 
and in the end the big investor is the fool but then if they go big they fool the whole lot
 
@MadaraUchiha link me where you get it!
 
@GandalftheWhite if you have a plausible business model
 
4:06 PM
@Abhishrek y u no get my joke >:(
 
or, more likely, a few patents they like the look of
 
@AwalGarg i do
 
liar
 
hey @Loktar Here's a video you absolutely must watch in VR: youtube.com/watch?v=dKkcwziglu8
 
shmart.in - you should have seen their first app
 
@KendallFrey bookmarked
all my VR is packed :(
We move Friday woot
 
I don't think tech is a problem any day
there are many talented folks out there waiting for a huge paypacket
to solve the technical stuff
 
anyway socket.io folks i present to you dhaara
 
4:08 PM
!!s/m// 30881049
 
@BenFortune shart.in - you should have seen their first app (source)
 
node style streams on socket.io
 
@GandalftheWhite I hope your team screws up the legal side and is on the hook for any money you get, if you're going to be so irresponsible. :D
 
by the time the startup investment model reaches transitioning countries, it grows fangs, develops a nasty addiction and blows the salaries out of proportion
 
@ssube we are not irresponsible
Just tell me this
all alone how much can a person do
 
4:09 PM
Bleh, bluebird is giving me no useful traceback on a warning :\
 
@GandalftheWhite A LOT
 
if I start learning things from scratch
it will take a lot of time
 
I started learning from scratch
 
@GandalftheWhite somebody who knows what they're doing? Pretty much everything.
 
and most of good developrs I know did
 
4:09 PM
Define good developer for me
 
One who writes good mantainable efficient code
and doesn't give up to googlling 24/7 to stackoverflow his job]
 
nice eslint is much better than jshint
 
One who took the time to actually understand the tools at their disposal. If you're a Stackoverflow abusing employee, you're already dead in the water.
 
@Abhishrek what for ? Do you have a usage in mind ?
 
@Megaplex I abuse SO daily.
 
4:11 PM
@DenysSéguret file uploads
 
I have asked just two questions in past few months
 
close votes urywhur
 
or realtime audio upload
or download etc
 
@ssube You know what I mean. :P
 
4:12 PM
@Abhishrek Do you bufferize ? Or is the library user supposed to handle that ?
 
Node.JS streams take care of that for you
 
> stream.pipe(stream);
that's a super weird call there
 
where :?
 
@ssube it's an echo
 
Oh for a Duplex stream thats an echo
 
4:14 PM
@DenysSéguret oh weird
 
Alternatively if you are using redux to create mirrored User Interfaces
 
seems like a GC problem waiting to happen
 
another problem is outdated tutorials
 
you can write a middleware and pipe the entire action flow with the stream in Object Mode, to and fro
 
many a time I learn stuff and then I come to know that bruh' that is outdated already
and I am like FML
 
4:15 PM
@GandalftheWhite that is why you use rooms like the one you are in?
 
@GandalftheWhite Are you really Gandalf the White? I've more a feeling that you're Gandalf the gray. Inexperienced and a aint not learning wizard
 
@KarelG tssh
 
This Wizard has just started
:l
 
abi, you didn't respond to my Q :|
 
I am just getting started.
and Yes! I will improve the quality of code
I made modules for all the call back hells
 
4:16 PM
@KarelG which Q
 
and I am making services for Angular these days
with time I hope I will end up with decent application
 
Angular Services are Dead in Angular 2.0
 
I am using 1.4.4
 
5 hours ago, by KarelG
@Abhishrek what isyour new job? (ie what are your tasks )
 
should I jump to 2.0?
what is the alternative of the same in 2.0 BTW if I may ask.
 
4:18 PM
@KarelG Developer Success Engineer, Help customers, find and sometimes fix bugs, write tutorials and Proof of Concepts.
 
That's a weird title
 
^--
 
@GandalftheWhite angular.io/docs/ts/latest/tutorial/toh-pt4.html Services Reborn out of the dead.
 
something indian ?
:p
 
4:19 PM
What do you do Abhi, If I may ask.
 
Splat flies and bugs, while watching star trek in teh background
 
yes but "Developer success engineer"? I never have heard of that tittle
so you develop success ?
 
@KarelG it's tier2/3 support
 
I never heard it either
 
4:20 PM
application support engineer
whatever you want to call it
 
ah that
 
yeah that.
 
you've escaped the call center but still deal with incoming bugs
with a side of occasional code-touching to fix easy bugs
 
making POC might be a more fun part of the job
 
Its more entry position in the company, I want to grow into the core-engineering
@DenysSéguret :>
 
4:22 PM
what is Batuapay?
 
@Abhishrek we've been hiring t3 folks recently, fully intending to move them into dev seats when they prove themselves.
 
As for bugs... there are interesting bugs and just shitty clean other people's mess bugs...
 
@GandalftheWhite A startup, I did and then died because RBI mandated mantaining 5 Cr cash for payment providers :P (also PayTM got $1 BN+ from AlibabaGroup so that sector is dead)
viva la Rajan
 
5Cr is for wallet services acquisition right?
 
we have a few people right out of college coming in with the degree but no experience, going into t3 support initially
 
4:23 PM
@GandalftheWhite yep, the model our banks follow you can either make a wallet or forget the entire field altogether.
 
the UPI looks cool BTW
check it out
we are in similar sector
 
RazorPay?
 
nah it is a system
Razor pay is just explaining that
government is planning to initiate easy payments using aadhar cards
but hey took the website down
 
@Neil Wat?
 
which makes me wonder
if they are cancelling the whole thing maybe
hey = they
 
4:27 PM
Govt of India has already got the SMS based system
IMPS
 
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why the heck do they want another system using adhaar more people have cellphones most likely than adhaar
 
NEFT alone was good
 
NO
 
but then they decided to come up with
 
4:28 PM
Neft is dead on sundays and etc
 
delays and shit
 
IMPS works daily + Its optimized for micro-payments
 
when I was a teen NEFT was instant
and without that many obligations
 
@GandalftheWhite NEFT was broken by design read the document about how NEFT works
 
I think we are the only country with a concept like wallets
 
4:29 PM
on the finance website
 
I must read the same then
will do tomorrow
 
I personally would prefer IMPS being supported
 
as in...
 
As in GOVT of India not spawning a competitive to its own product
 
@GandalftheWhite you're in the sweet spot where the government is nearsighted enough to think it might work and corrupt enough to try it anyway
 
4:30 PM
make it open and accessible to developers
 
@GandalftheWhite huh, what is that? you all have... some kind of assigned national bank account number?
 
and enjoy the fun
@FilipDupanović SSN with biometric identity
 
Well... UPI will be better
 
vOv
 
they did say that they were planning to expose the API if you are backed by a BANK
which we are
 
4:31 PM
backed by a Bank
that is equal to, please fuck off startups
 
yes. The APIs will be made by the bank
and then you can work with that
nah... banks are not that rigid
 
@GandalftheWhite You can get a tap into IMPS if you are backed by a Bank, heck you can tap into the NFS if you are backed by a major bank
 
@FilipDupanović - It is kinda like SSN
We received a thumbs up from ICICI
hopefully we'll be using their API
 
I worked with banks (:
 
and then Government shut you down?
 
4:32 PM
@Abhishrek you know COBOL?
 
@GandalftheWhite I gave up, after the 5Cr thing
 
FUCK THEM
Ohh...
Let's see what happens in our case
if things not work I will have to take a job
I would like to get in some problem solving role
 
@ssube The API end is even more terrifying
 
management thingy possibly
Even private sector has terrible apis
Payumoney and Olamoney have terrible APIs for instance
 
@GandalftheWhite well, your completely non-technical approach to a pay-processing startup will probably end up scamming a bunch of people out of money, intentionally or otherwise, and you'll all end up in jail.
 
4:34 PM
@GandalftheWhite PayU sucks by birth, OLA needs to start focussing on a god-damned thing
 
@SterlingArcher rekt
 
@ssube I am glad you are not sitting beside or else you would have scared me to death.
Olamoney is shit
 
@ssube the clients are protected, it's not their money getting scammed
 
like literally
 
@GandalftheWhite its not shit, its just deficient
 
4:35 PM
@FilipDupanović really? You're familiar with the financial sector there?
 
their developers are probably working 28/12
 
Their development team is probably more terrible then I am
 
Ola food, Ola money, Ola Cabs, Ola <whatever?>
@GandalftheWhite Doubtful about the entire OLA team
 
I was in constant touch with them
Not Entire for sure
 
They need to stop spawning startups
 
4:36 PM
the headguy wont talk to clients for sure
 
Flipkart has a better chance on a payment startup than anyone
 
they can even initiate a cash on app system using ekart
 
Flipkart is planning to get in
 
They were in, a while back they had their payment gateway open to others
 
4:37 PM
Well yes
they are again planning to do that
they recently acquired a company
 
@rlemon lmao ground game strong
 
@GandalftheWhite I really want to see Flipkart abusing their Ekart Logistic network for cash payments via app. That would be something
 
Amazon already allows you to pay via netbanking and stuff on doorstep
something like that?
even others take card payments
I am not sure about netbanking and all though
 
@GandalftheWhite No using their delivery boys to take cash from you not just for their delivery but for * usecase
and then making that API open to developers bam, Flipkart > SBI (okay not SBI but SBT or some regional bank)
 
4:42 PM
@SomeGuy nah, it wasn't really hard, just fun to see a cyphered text come back to make sense step by step after doing some frequency analysis. Next level will be a little bit harder
 
but how flipkart has historically copied Amazon payments.amazon.com would probably be what they end up with
 
@Abhishrek Explain a little more
 
Ah a Cash on Delivery as a Service
 
It wont be legal I am pretty sure
 
@GandalftheWhite It will be very legal, Post Office Has been doing it since forever
 
4:43 PM
Money Orders?
 
No I forgot the term :
 
money order is the term I guess
You send money to people
that only right?
 
but its essentially allowing small startups to accept cash, which would be crazy!
 
I must have missed something -- whats all the gorilla references on reddit and imgur recently?
 
no the one where post office / bank accepts your challan
and the money is paid to where you are applying
also that allows Cash -> Card transfers on your doorstep
 
4:45 PM
postal orders
it is more like government bonds
 
Dunno, thats how I paid my IIT exam fees
 
postal orders
you buy postal orders by giving them money
 
yeah, that model can scale very well with the logistic service
 
and then you send them along with the form
 
if flipkart does that
and it will be India specific
cash ain't going nowhere for next 10 year or so
 
4:46 PM
Agreed.
Share any example use case
where you think that model will be useful
 
Your old mother recieving / sending money to you who does not have a card. Without having to goto a bank
(too melodramatic)
more realistic, a new and awesome webservice
say BheekSourcing.com (Excuse the humor), which is kickstarter clone in India, recieving payments / donations straight in cash
 
I get it
 
:D
 
Will work for sure
 
It might sound rigged stupid but it will work given how the Oldistan thinks
 
4:50 PM
the only point is
input cost and output cost
 
They already have EKart
 
if you local guys as your service points then it is okay
 
their agents go places all day long
 
otherwise you cannot make it work - profits?!
 
this will actually optimize their time
@GandalftheWhite EKart is flipkarts own courier service
 
4:50 PM
Flipkart don't need to optimize shit
 
and its extremely well distributed in the country
 
I know
Agreed.
and I guess that can be useful
 
This will just increase the number of orders in the area, optimizing cost for them, those people don't have to even carry anything.
 
They already are wasting a shit load of money on that
 
Here in a meetup, and @CodeWizard just went up after me.
@MadaraUchiha you wanna join for the beer?
 
4:52 PM
@GandalftheWhite but wasting that shitload money is profitable it gives them more surface
and adaption
 
@copy rewe?
 
depends on balance of the inputs and outputs
 
@BadgerCat o/ Hello sis
@GandalftheWhite well, cash on delivery >>>> any other payment option still
and its growing
 
@Abhishrek hi
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum When/where?
 
4:53 PM
Right now, JavaScript Israel
 
Can't right now, unfortunately. Production shite
Also missed the meetup, effing A.
 
@Abhishrek they are in overall loss still. Ekkart and maintaining own servers is only + point they have over snapdeal
 
@MadaraUchiha that's fine, you can join for beer if you'd like
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I'm not getting out of here in the next 30 minutes or so.
 
I'm talking about ~9
 
4:56 PM
Then I might
 
but only if it works for you
 
I'll ping you in hangouts or smth
 
hi is anyone here
 
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