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2:00 PM
Not that I was bad at role playing, just that there were no evil gods, so I became the god of greed
He would come in different forms and tempt the players, but the reaction was all fairly boring on the part of the players
 
@ndugger Thanks haha
 
@Neil Oh man, the game I was a divine in had gods for EVERYTHING. Evil, Good, Righteous, Nature, Chaos, Dreams, etc. I think after I left they slimmed it down a bit, but they just made sure back in the day that you had enough Gods to suite whatever anyone was really looking for. I think our Divine stable at one point had almost 26 different Gods.
 
Then, I guess it isn't easy playing an evil character so most players are predictable
 
@MadaraUchiha of course!
I'll be asking for design opinions here too, so I'll ping you
 
@Trasiva sounds like I would have enjoyed playing in your mud
 
2:03 PM
@ndugger you think centered is good? It looks good mobile, but I'm not sure full screen
 
@Neil Playing an evil god is -hard- man. You have to know how to push people along, while not pushing them out. It's a difficult balance.
 
@SterlingArcher nah, I don't like that
 
Maybe non-centered full, centered mobile
 
@SterlingArcher No
 
You guys should consult a designer, though... All of that black and red makes my eyes bleed.
 
2:04 PM
@Trasiva I think it may have been different if they didn't know it was me ooc
 
> Each year the geographic south pole marker is moved (and replaced) as the Antarctic ice slides across the continent.
The cool little things you never think of
 
@Neil It was really good, I ended up leaving because I just didn't have time with the military. When I tried to dip my toes back in with a new char (once you become a god, you can't use your old account), there was a lot of crazy imbalances in play, and a few characters were ruining the experience for a lot of people.
 
You should center things you want to draw attention to
 
But when two gods are online at any moment and one is always afk
 
Not everything
 
2:05 PM
@Trasiva shame then
 
@Neil Oh yea, no. Strict policy of no OOC/IC crosswise between gods and players. People couldn't officially even KNOW who went dormant vs who actually stopped playing because they were on the godhood track.
 
@Trasiva wow, cool
 
@SterlingArcher jsfiddle.net/cxL1qLw1
fuck I hate flex
but there you go
 
@SterlingArcher I was gonna suggest this as well ^
 
> The one with the boobies
So all of them
 
user5992646
2:07 PM
I'm satisfied. :)
 
!!google flex browser compatibility
 
@rlemon I'm taking what you made and tweaking it further, stylistically
 
@SterlingArcher IE10+ if you're smart about it
 
@ndugger go right ahead. I just tried to make it look kinda like his
but with the third/half grid
 
2:08 PM
I'll need to ask the owner about what IE he wants to support
 
you can do that without flex
just easier with flex
 
He's a silcon valley developer, so I have high hope's he'll go modern
 
what's to hate on flex?
 
I don't know it well yet
 
@SterlingArcher inb4 ie5
 
2:09 PM
@SterlingArcher Ask him whether he prefers supporting 1% of users by investing 40~50% more development time
 
Suppose I have JSON object which I am displaying via using ng-repeat has a status field that has binary data either 0 or 1. I want to show different images based on the data there. Is there any filter that already exists or custom directive for that same
 
the fiddle example is pretty fucked up on small width' btw
 
for the same*
 
@jAndy media queries ftw!
 
!!s/sa/ga/
 
2:10 PM
@jAndy for the game* (source)
 
not even 1 percent
 
@SterlingArcher @rlemon jsfiddle.net/cxL1qLw1/1
 
looks slick
 
@MadaraUchiha I have a non-work thing for the next hour and a half, ping me in an hour?
 
user5992646
:)
 
2:12 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum k
 
> Maru is a new kind of computing experience. (maruos.com/#)
ofcourse
 
!!nudge 60 ping @BenjaminGruenbaum
 
@MadaraUchiha Nudge #1 registered.
 
@rlemon Did you ever get your basement finished?
 
almost
got side tracked
 
2:15 PM
@SterlingArcher or with a bit more box-shadowy goodness jsfiddle.net/cxL1qLw1/2
 
Ooooh fancy
 
I could spend all day making that pretty
unfortunately, I have a job :(
 
DO YOU
 
:(
 
no, he doesn't
all jobs in MN are canceled when the snow stops
they give you those three days to spend outside, then you start work again when the snow comes back
 
2:19 PM
 
I just realized I taold staltz that he's going to have to work a little harder if he wants to make his example a real argument :P
Didn't notice the username, would have responded more erm, politically correct.
 
No idea who that is
 
That guy has the best arguments against jsx
 
I like react, and I like jsx, but I definitely still don't like having html in my javascript
 
> Oi, listen here you son of a goat. If you wish your argument to be more kosher, you're going to need more chutzpah.
Something like that?
 
2:25 PM
That's sort of why I dont like angular (but I get it), because it places emphasis on inline event listeners
If angular did what did did with ng-events abstracted that'd be much cleaner
seeing shit like ng-click="runMe(); nowRunMe(); heyRunMeToo();" hurts
 
I'd much rather grab my HTML templates (which can be nice with webpack), use DOMParser, and then manipulate the elements, add listeners, etc.
 
angular isn't supposed to be clean
 
Mixing things too much is painful to look at
 
Angular is not made for traditional mvc programmers
 
it's supposed to be comprehensive
@Neil No, it is, that's the problem.
Angular is intended for traditional, Java/Spring MVC programmers.
 
2:27 PM
@ssube it does an awful job of it then
 
Don't get me wrong, I love angular directives, isolate scopes and how it's able to template loops
Just the event syntax bothers me
 
@Neil why? It looks a hell of a lot like Spring
 
Inline event listeners are fine.
 
says you
 
it's easy to pick up if you've spent the last decade messing with XML files
 
2:27 PM
@ssube I wouldn't say so
 
Stop cargo culting guyz.
The problem with inline event handlers has always been scoping.
 
or.. you know.. we've been doing this a while and have formed our own opinions on what is clean and what is not
 
Not the fact they're inline, it has always been scoping.
 
this isn't a cargo cult
 
Readability also plays a factor as well
 
2:28 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum uh, no
the problem is having them inline
 
That's not a problem, that's what we're talking about.
 
says you
we disagree
 
it's both
 
with our own good reasons
 
When you describe an approach you should explain what the problems with it are.
 
2:29 PM
1 min ago, by Sterling Archer
Readability also plays a factor as well
D:
 
^
 
The problem with inline event handlers in JavaScript is scoping.
 
@rlemon I disagree that we disagree
 
They're all global.
 
that is one problem
 
2:30 PM
In my opinion, the problem with having js inline in your html is that you now have to mange your JS in two different places
!!afk standup
 
Angular scopes them to the controller, so I get that it fixes that, but it doesn't make it easier to read
 
@SterlingArcher really? So you find having to perform a query on your presentation layer by a third party selector language designed for styling more convenient than onClick={subscribeToAuthor()}?
 
@SterlingArcher it sort of fixes it
 
@SterlingArcher don't put non-view logic in your event handlers in your views - that's not the same thing. Event handlers should be commands, they should delegate above to components that are smart and handle the actions.
@ndugger you have to manage your JS in two different places anyway, this is only about how we bind them.
 
scoping the event doesn't fix having code-as-text mixed into your markup or the problems with setting up events at that level
 
2:31 PM
Inline event handlers are about how we bind actions to the html, the actions have to be there regardless.
 
inline events have a whole pile of serious problems, not just scoping
 
@ssube it's not code as text. It's code as code.
 
That doesn't really make sense to me. By calling a function within that inline event, you're already abstracting the actual functionality from the binding event
 
If it doesn't parse you get an error from your static analysis tool, if it doesn't work you get a debugger to the code.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum no, it's definitely in the text value of an attribute, complete with extra escaping and all that
 
2:32 PM
@SterlingArcher you're calling a function anyway because you need to react to that event, otherwise you wouldn't put it there.
 
Why not just bind an angular id, and have the event handler nicely tucked in a controller where it's going to be anyways
 
What is wrong with CSS? If anything using jQuery is the "dirty" way... — Neal 6 secs ago
 
@ssube not in React and not really in Angular either. One of the problems with angular is that it makes it look as if it's actual HTML.
 
Are people really reverting to jquery after coming up with a great css solution? :-(
 
brb gonna vape
!!afk coming back for you Benji :D
 
2:33 PM
@SterlingArcher why perform a query on your presentation layer to find things you put there by string?
 
JS animations can be smoother than CSS animations
jQuery.animate probably not.. but in theory they can be
 
If your JS animations use WebGL they'll probably be much faster than CSS animations. CSS is a terrible way to describe animations from the graphics card point of view.
 
lolwut
 
Suppose I have JSON object which I am displaying via using ng-repeat has a status field that has binary data either 0 or 1. I want to show different images based on the data there. Is there any filter that already exists or custom directive for that same
for the same*
 
@Neal yeah, man. Jquery is fashionable again, get with the times
 
2:35 PM
@Neil ... but .... What about JScript? ;-P
 
@Neal that language? Nobody uses that anymore
 
@Neil Fine. COBOL or FORTRAN then.
 
@CapricaSix is written in KOBOL
 
REBEL*
 
@Neal jqCOBOL ftw
 
2:37 PM
;-P
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum not sure I follow. What do you mean perform a query on the layer?
You're already creating scope functions bound to the view, why not make the view cleaner and have scoped event listeners that inherit the parent scope?
 
@ssube brainfuck would be more egligible since she's fucked up from time to time
 
That way your main controller isn't flooded with isolate functions and you can keep your constants in there
 
@SterlingArcher how do you know which event is bound to which element?
 
Arrrg.... @Neil stackoverflow.com/q/36697053/561731 ... Whyyy.... Just go :-)
 
2:39 PM
@KarelG Kobol is a planet from the show Cap is in.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum off the top of my head, a simple ng-id would do it
 
Ah, i didn't have catched that battlestar galatica reference
(didn't have seen it)
 
@KarelG the first season is definitely worth watching. s02 is good, s03-4 are mediocre.
 
@Neal Probably because they don't know any better, and that's what they learned with because it seems (to the uninitiated) to have better DOM access.
 
@SterlingArcher so you're binding to a string/reference and then using it to add your event?
 
2:41 PM
<div ng-id="derp" ng-repeat="(key, value) in foo">{{key}} : {{value}}</div>
angular.event("id", function($scope) {
    $scope.event("click", function(e) {
        //do your logic here
    });
});
 
but should I not watch the last 2 seasons too so that I would be able to end the story correctly
 
!!afk, will be back for you
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum No
 
@KarelG no, the end is really bad. :(
 
@Trasiva Is this a good response then? stackoverflow.com/a/36697193/561731
 
2:43 PM
Neal... you can edit the SO post to remove the tags ...
@ssube aww, but then i would have seen the series with more questions at the end if i don't watch s03 and s04
 
!!info afk,
 
@Neal It's a good answer, but it'd be better if you explained why in this instance vanilla is better than jQuery.
 
@rlemon Command afk, does not exist. Did you mean: afk
 
weird.
 
@Trasiva I updated how you can use it. How else can I explain?
 
2:44 PM
@Neal -1. Needs mor jquery.
 
@Neil ;-P
 
@KarelG then watch it through. Just be warned, the last season is pretty lame. It builds up to an epic ending and then does nothing.
 
@Neal Explaining how to use it versus -why- vanilla is better are two different beasts.
 
The first season is one of the best gritty scifi shows.
 
@Trasiva Using jquery just makes it so complicated. I think anyone can see that
 
2:45 PM
const recurseElement = (elementString, target) => why not simply function recurseElement(elementString, target) { ??
 
!!forget afk,
 
@rlemon Command afk, does not exist. Did you mean: afk
 
no stupid bot
you have a bug
 
check if "afk," is listed in her's source code
 
no I know the bug
too lazy to fix it, I'll make Zirak do it
it strips punctuation on parseMessage but not learn
but then uses the actual command name
all sorts of messed up
 
2:47 PM
@Neal Actually, re-looking at his code (which is completely silly), I agree. I didn't realize he was just using JQ for DOM items, which baffles me.
 
well shit
now I just don't know
!!afk, why did you say no?
 
@rlemon Indubitably
 
@Trasiva Yep... I just added a working example :-)
 
fuck off cap, you're drunk
 
@Neal You should probably mention arrow functions don't work in IE for the record. Just in case he has to handle IE support.
 
2:50 PM
@Trasiva True... Maybe ;-P
 
> The Great Satan does not support arrow functions.
 
McD's being partial to blacks in commercials is one thing, but when KFC does it it's just plain funny.
 
nvm. I got it now
 
@Neal I edited them in with the relevant version mins.
 
@Zirak that is weird bug m8
 
2:54 PM
@Trasiva Ha thanks :-) (i wonder who thought my answer was bad. jquery purists maybe?) ;-o
 
@Neal No clue, but I negated it, because the answer is a valid one, and much more streamlined.
 
@Trasiva :-D Yea. The code is the question looks quite bloated.
 
@Neal I didn't mention transpilers in the answer because the guy clearly doesn't have a solid grasp on his vanilla or JQ yet. That's adding another tool he doesn't need to be using until he goes back to basics.
 
@Trasiva ;-P
 
meh, his code is difficult to maintain
but still, why an ES6 approach if you could use a simple function ? :/
 
2:58 PM
the ES6 is shorter and prettier
 
Your code does not work and yields the same result as the OP... — Neal 29 secs ago
@ssube Most definitely :-)
@KarelG What simple function? What is wrong with es6 syntax?
 
const recurseElement = (elementString, target) => {
    const elements = elementString.split(' ');
    elements.forEach(function(ele) {
 
13 mins ago, by KarelG
const recurseElement = (elementString, target) => why not simply function recurseElement(elementString, target) { ??
 
mixing everything, though... :(
 
@Neal cc ---^
 
2:59 PM
@KarelG immutability...
 
@Neal plus, you're assigning to a param. For shame.
That whole thing should just be a reduce.
 
!!afk Time to kick ass and chew bubblegum...and I left the gum at home.
 

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