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7:00 PM
That's how Wine runs Windows apps, Android runs Java, etc.
 
that is a matter of opinion
but the belgian beer has won a lot awards
 
Wine is just a giant polyfill library
 
true
 
So lets say, that Facebook launches its own mobile operating system...and in order to lure c# developers in copy several of the .net framework's api...One morning MS wakes up, and sees that none in the C# community is using the windows platform...they are busy writing apps on FB's new OS...
Is that fair use?
 
7:03 PM
c# is a standard
a lot of the .net framework is, too
 
ECMA Non-script.
 
fair use of .net framework api by facebook?
 
how is it using the framework api?
@ssube now that you vape be prepared for a lot of this crap:
because antifreeze contains pg, you are vaping antifreeze
:P
 
@rlemon I grill and drink Fireball, so that's nothing new.
 
7:06 PM
Its not consuming the "framework" so to speak, but using the same style...
I guess this is what google did with android & java...
 
@deostroll that isn't the same thing
 
@rlemon What's wrong with antifreeze? It keeps me warm in the winter.
 
basing a language / api on another is done all the time
tmk you cannot copyright method names :P
 
@rlemon and Oracle is trying to make it illegal
@rlemon historically, you can't.
They're not "creative" under the rules of copyright.
 
@ssube and the fine brothers are trying to copyright reaction videos, and Apple doesn't want fruit in other peoples logos, and all sorts of stupid shit goes down all the time
 
7:08 PM
@ssube The rules of copyright haven't met my coworkers
 
If Oracle wins their suite against Google's JVM, Firefox could sue you for writing a JS polyfill.
Because if they came up with the API, you won't be allowed to implement it.
 
@rlemon Good luck with that, Apple. People use Bieber in video thumbnails all the time.
 
The sun contains Iron, We have iron in our blood, Metal in our heads; We're all metal-heads. Thrash on, bro
 
lol
 
It may be void if they submit it for standardization, but it depends on the standard agency.
 
7:09 PM
Maybe InternalFrameInternalFrameTitlePaneInternalFrameTitlePaneMaximizeButtonWindowNo‌​tFocusedState is long enough to be considered creative
 
that is so long my double click doesn't even highlight it all
> InternalFrameInternalFrameTitlePaneInternalFrameTitlePaneMaximizeButtonWindowNo‌
stops here
 
long isn't creative. your mom knows what's up
 
@rlemon There's an invisible character
 
@rlemon That's not why
 
I'm gonna make banana inc, we specialize in reaction videos
 
7:10 PM
@copy make that two
 
@KendallFrey yeah, but if you're too short, you can't reach the canvas ifyouknowwhatImean
 
@copy I assumed so, but explaining it makes it not funny anymore
why do people still use sourceforge???.
200meg download -- 45 minutes.
no thankyou
 
Sourceforge still exists?
Strange
 
@rlemon say, c# has something for file-handling...think File.OpenRead(), returns a FileStream object with read permissions...facebook could do the same thing, except, its making low-level calls to its os...
 
uBlock blocks Sourceforge entirely
 
7:17 PM
@deostroll so?
 
I had a coworker who was terrible for spoonerisms. He called it surgeforce.
 
I know sourceforge added malware to the GIMP install on windows
not sure about other software
 
@rlemon so MS still wakes up one day and realize that the c# community isn't developing on windows platforms anymore...
 
:o theres a chat here
 
@JoeTannoury Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room rules. Please don'task if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
 
7:18 PM
@deostroll that makes no sense.
 
tell that to Oracle...
 
if FB makes their own OS, ofc people will not be developing for the windows platform when they move to the other OS
 
@deostroll your example doesn't make much sense
 
Facebook have a strong incentive to make their own browser, but why would they make their own OS?
 
bout to say
 
7:19 PM
If Facebook forks Chrome that'd be so funny lol.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum he's making an example
 
"Click here to share your My Documents folder with your friends!"
 
Facechrome
Witness our new browser
 
what if "chromebook" is an unspoken bond between facebook and google??
#showerThoughts
 
@ssube it means MS is loosing audience...it originally designed the .net framework with the intent of having more people develop on its os ecosystem (windows)...
 
7:20 PM
some people also says that fb will be the new youtube
 
my thoughts are growers
 
@deostroll that doesn't really make sense, or stand up legally.
Qt exists.
 
@deostroll dude, I thoroughly understand the issue. You just need a better example.
 
mono project exists
 
If Oracle wins, Mono and Wine and any other kind of polyfill will become illegal.
 
maybe your examples just suck, because @ssube seems to be making sense of it
 
@ndugger Frome
 
Instead of going off on FB and .Net, just use that.
@rlemon I interned at the company that sponsors Wine, so they ran me through all the legal bits of it there.
 
@ssube agreed, but that is "the case with O vs G"
 
In particular, I was never allowed to download the Windows driver dev kit, because it had enough source that we wouldn't be a whiteroom implementation anymore.
There were audits by a third-party that went through the source to make sure it didn't look too much like MS' code.
 
7:23 PM
who uses Ubuntu here?
 
it looks like O is gonna win it on those grounds...
 
But the API was completely fair use.
 
@JoeTannoury some of us, why
 
Oracle is arguing that APIs should be copywritten as well, which will screw a ton of projects.
 
@ssube the O people do not think so...
 
7:23 PM
Firefox could sue Chrome, IE could sue every other browser, anybody who ever wrote a polyfill is suddenly liable.
@deostroll that's because they lost money
they're just sore losers
trying to retroactively change the rules
 
@rlemon for some reason I can't run it in a vm in this particular laptop
 
You can't ex-post facto sue someone who has already written a polyfill; you could demand they take it down then sue if they don't.
 
bah
 
loose audience = loose money
 
who uses Vm's
dedicated hardware FTW
 
7:24 PM
:P
 
@ssube I totally agree with you...
 
@rlemon me
 
i don't want O to win...
 
what do you call the thing where you lay down on your belly, raise your legs and upper body slightly (towards the ceiling), put your hands on the ground and raise your whole body?
 
@deostroll they didn't lose an audience.
Java on mobile was never popular.
 
7:25 PM
@deostroll in the USA people sue other people all the time for stupid reasons
the system sometimes works
 
They lost licensing fees from Google, who decided to just write it themselves.
 
if public attention is had (like now) they probably wont win
 
@ssube oh, guice doc was much better than yours :P I properly get it now
 
such javascript
 
@FlorianMargaine in what way is it better?
 
7:26 PM
@towc push up?
 
(so I can improve mine)
 
much Donald Trump
 
Oracle is the worst fucking company full of fascist assholes in the history of computers.
 
no
 
@ssube better explained, I guess
 
7:26 PM
gets banned of the chat
 
@rlemon your whole body is suspended by your arms, not only the upper part
 
it has some words instead of just comments
 
@towc hand stand?
 
I guess that's not always the best way to go though
 
@rlemon nope, you're parallel to the ground
 
7:27 PM
dunno.
 
magic
 
well, I still have more docs to flesh out
 
@towc elbows into your chest?
 
like, a lot. That readme only covers the most common use.
 
@rlemon maybe?
 
7:28 PM
 
@ssube technically "its oracle's java" that didn't do it...google did it...
 
like this? maybe less vertical
 
contortion
upside-down crab walk
 
headstand
 
(that is called a pilot freeze btw)
 
7:28 PM
@deostroll wat
what are you talking about
 
@ssube oracle's low-level software didn't work well on mobile phones...
thats what I meant about Java not being popular on mobiles...
 
@towc ??
 
Oracle is always trying to start shit because everyone hates them, so they need to make up their losses. Bunch of fuckers.
 
yeah
 
anyone knows a good place to learn about js prototype'ing?
 
7:29 PM
jackhammer / pilot freeze
it's a breakdancing move
 
@JoeTannoury prototyping*
 
@ssube are you fucking kidding me? J2ME was very popular
 
Oh cool, Java are discovering map(parseInt)
 
@littlepootis not android-popular
 
@ndugger wasn't sure if we could say it like that :P
 
7:30 PM
Is this question not well fit for the site webapps.stackexchange.com/questions/89727/…
 
@FlorianMargaine It was on almost all mobile phones at one point
 
@rlemon oh no, not that. Let me find a photo
 
@JoeTannoury like, the .prototype or prototyping a application
@towc it may be other things
but the names I have are for the breakdancing move
 
@rlemon .prototype
 
@William probably not, since what you're asking for is recommendations of 3rd party service providers.
 
7:31 PM
!!tell JoeTannoury mdn prototype
 
@JoeTannoury and at the bottom of that page is linked: developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/…
 
@littlepootis but how heavily did those phones use it, outside of the handset vendors?
 
if you click this, and scroll down to "learning javascript"
 
your average developer, afaik, maybe knew it was a thing that existed
 
7:32 PM
 
jackie chan
 
you're supposed to be able to stand still
 
largely because those phones didn't have much in the way of after-market apps
 
@ssube ALL apps on my old mobile phone were written in J2ME
 
7:33 PM
yeah, from that :P
 
@towc same shit, better form
the break dancing move is a freeze. you stop
 
HAMMERTIME!
 
oh, ok
thanks
 
Heck, there were thousands of applications on appstores at the time.
Opera was <300kB lol.
 
@towc it probably has a proper name, however I couldn't find it by that
 
7:33 PM
Further O is saying that, those android java programs aren't compatible on their platforms...this is how they are really pushing their case that Google violated fair use...
 
however, I knew it is also a breakdancing move so
 
@littlepootis both snake and flying bird?
 
Oracle can just go die in a hole
 
@ssube this was after snake era
Early and mid-2000s
 
Let someone else own Java, and not fuck around with it with their snappy needle dicks
 
7:34 PM
thanks
 
oh, are you talking about a blackberry?
 
Seriously
 
blackberries don't even count
 
@ssube nope.
 
lol so much hate to oracle
 
7:34 PM
@JoeTannoury we're better with specific questions
 
Oracle brought the hate themselves. They're like the Donald Trump of the programming world
 
their "audits" caused it
 
guys you get payed being in here?
 
I do
 
Oracle sucks. They are an embarrassment to technology.
 
7:35 PM
the mods
 
big bucks
dolla dolla bills yall
mods don't get paid on SO
they do the work pro bono
 
> Hi, so we're going to show up and look at all your servers one day. You remember how you bought 45 licenses? Yeah, that one machine counts as 7 machines, so you're over the cap.
 
@JoeTannoury very little, it's like $50 a month.
 
Madara gets paid a million dollars for being a moderator
 
@littlepootis but you just said j2me was a success...
 
7:36 PM
It's OK because we're all from North Korea and dear leader makes sure we have everything we need.
 
its okay for a part time job thats cool
 
Tim
js
 
Enough food for all of our fat kids to enjoy
 
@deostroll DUDE THIS WAS WHEN JAVA WAS WITH SUN
 
@littlepootis meh. DB much?
 
7:37 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum pls
 
pretty sure our modem is an Oracle modem
 
Oracle DB: doing everything those other DBs can do, on twice the cores!
 
Java might be the most used programming language, but it's always been owned by a bunch of greedy arse holes
 
It's not.
JS is.
 
lol
 
7:37 PM
JS is owned by equally greedy assholes.
 
Java is overused
 
@ndugger that's misleading, since the JVM is open-source now
 
make me
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum but they are our assholes.
 
They're just PC assholes that like to talk about how inclusive they are :D
@rlemon <3
 
7:38 PM
if they standardized it through ECMA or somebody, then it would be totally out of Oracle's control
but that's why .Net is better: standard language (C#) and open-source runtime (mostly)
 
@ssube they almost did
 
@ssube C# is standardized through ECMA, do you honestly think it's out of Microsoft's control?
 
@littlepootis yeah, but it meant doing work
 
oracle pls
 
Working on a language is tons of work, it's really hard and it requires a lot of resources.
 
7:39 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum yeah, they signed some irrevocable licensing agreements when they standardized it. Was kind of a big deal.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum FALSE, one guy and two weeks can make a language that compiles to JS
it's easy bro
:P
 
They had to release a bunch of rights over the spec for ECMA to accept it.
 
One guy and one week can make JavaScript
 
MicroOracle
 
@littlepootis 12 days
 
7:40 PM
Now they're just captain of a boat they don't really own.
 
but close enough
 
lol "help vampire"
I hope I'm not one of them :P
 
My stomach is all kinds of messed up... I had coffee again on Sunday. I wonder if I developed an allergy to coffee... does such a thing exist?
 
!!> console.log(1+1)
 
@JoeTannoury "undefined" Logged: 2
 
7:43 PM
:O
 
user1596138
@ndugger And it kicks in 2 days later? I mean, it's pretty plausible
 
@jhawins Nah, the next day
it's just still messed up today
 
user1596138
You just need some choco milk and a tummy rub
 
Nah, just googled coffee alergy symptoms, and it's not me
 
user1596138
@ssube is nearby right?
 
7:44 PM
what are the odds that the judges/jury of the O vs G case (who ever they might be) understand how opensource and collaboration works?
 
user1596138
Have you two ever even met up?
 
it just gives me bad dihearea
 
this bot is epic.
 
Dihearea?
 
@deostroll nobody knows. We're not lawyers.
 
7:45 PM
Nope; he pseudo invited me to a party, but I said no
I think it's the same day as my brother's wedding
 
user1596138
@deostroll O vs G? What case?
 
@littlepootis I never learned how to spell it
the one word in the english language
 
@jhawins just don't
 
@deostroll Same as trump winning
Do you think they fucking care?
 
you won't get a coherent answer
 
7:46 PM
@jhawins Oracle vs Google. Android API.
 
Oracle is a bunch of fuckers, and there's really not much else to say
 
it looks that way...
 
> JavaScript is very easy to implement because it is integrated with HTML
lol
 
> <script language="javascript" type="text/javascript">
<!--
document.write("Hello World!")
//-->
</script>
wat
Good god, that tutorialspoint article is just cancer
 
7:49 PM
@ndugger That website was made by some peeps from my city.
 
this may seem out of js but its for a node app :P how do you curl multiple vars in a bash shell "curl -d "password=abcdef" localhost/API/notify/wallet"
 
As you might already know, Indian programmers are the greatest in India
 
India is such a messed up place
 
@littlepootis I'm not sure even that's true.
 
Their education system is backwards
 
user1596138
7:50 PM
@ssube Ok....
 
@littlepootis As opposed tooooo, Pakistani in Pakistan?
 
@ndugger non-existent
@Trasiva I know nothing about Pakistan. The only thing I know is that most Indians hate it for no reason.
 
They're just jelly.
Pakistan has fewer people, is more interesting, and the US actually pays attention to it.
 
Not sure why Indians would be jelly of Pakistan
 
By "attention" I mean "air strikes," but...
 
7:52 PM
US airstrikes on Pakistan?
Obama and Nawaz Sharif are best buddies
 
we've hit pakistan a few times
like, a bunch. On purpose.
 
user1596138
@ssube lmfao.....
 
tbf, they are often full of terrorists, like that one Osama fellow
 
@ssube yeah
Osama is from Saudi (or UAE?), but yeah.
 
@ssube Uh, there's been like a total of 11 airstrikes to my knowledge since 2015 when Sharif demanded they stop.
 
7:54 PM
HAMMERTIME!
 
@littlepootis we definitely caught him wanking it in his house in pakistan
 
@ndugger check up on ulcer symptoms.
 
incoming "hey, you should come work with me post"
 
@Trasiva yeah, and a bunch of bananas is only like 6, so how bout dem apples
 
@ssube ohshit
 
7:55 PM
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they're literally just a few hundred meters away from my house
 
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@littlepootis The design of that city is gross.
 
@Trasiva It was built ~20 years ago
 
@littlepootis that's... super new
for a city
 
7:58 PM
I've never been in a city less than 150 years old
 
Uh yea, that's no excuse for shitty city layout.
 
@copy might still be looking for someone. copy.sh/jobs
 
new cities should have good layouts, since we know wtf we're doing now
 
@Trasiva There are hills everywhere in my city. Look at the address I posted above.
 
most cities have hills, unless you're one of those nuts in kansas
 
7:59 PM
@rlemon I was tested for an ulcer recently; negative
I just have a really messed up stomach. I can't digest certain things
 
> Ooh, look at me, my city doesn't have hills, all we get is tornadoes, nyahnyahnyah
 
@littlepootis Humans have been terraforming the landscape to better suit them for many years, and we've gotten -really- good at it at this point.
 
but here's the weird thing. I can eat really spicy food with no upset stomach at all
 
Stomach or colon? IBS?
 
but some certain foods just wreck me
 

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