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12:00 AM
@Mosho something like Object.keys, consume the first, pass the rest
 
but the recursion of traverse would still happen inside the callback
I wouldn't think that's a candidate for TCO
even if forEachInObject is
 
@FilipDupanović I take it that when jasnell says "Is an instance of X" he doesn't mean instanceof?
It's a little confusing, seeing as he says instanceof can be problematic
 
@FilipDupanović not sure what you're saying
 
12:17 AM
!!> wtf(o) { typeof o === 'object' && Object.keys() }; wtf(null)
 
@FilipDupanović "SyntaxError: missing ; before statement"
 
use your words
you mean I need to check if input is null?
it's done elsewhere
 
just wondering about typeof null === 'object' from other day; could be avoided if we had helpers, like Array.isArray()
 
ah
const isObject = value => typeof value === 'object' && value !== null;
good enough for me
 
@FilipDupanović is that not what instanceof is for?
 
12:27 AM
I think instanceof goes up the prototype chain before it hits Object?
that's why it's problematic, right @SterlingArcher?
 
12:48 AM
@lix oh yeah, instanceof would trip on generators and other things you'd forget while working because they're objects too
 
1:46 AM
hey, all :)
I'm working on an edit to:
-1
Q: Serve HTTPS NodeJS website over virtual host

Miha JamsekI have a webb app that runs on my domain. First I had regular http site, which was running on port 8082 on my server, while apache server (through virtual host) was redirecting requests from port 80 to localhost:8082. Now I got a SSL certificate that i tried to install with my site. I made http...

I'm considering changing the title to something like:
> In order to switch my domain to HTTPS, do I need to change Apache or my Node.js app?
which kind of changes the meaning of the question, but only because OP didn't understand what their actual problem was
thoughts?
 
user6820627
2:40 AM
@SagnikChakraborti don't eat too much eggs. this is more delicious en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%A1nh_m%C3%AC
 
user6820627
2:51 AM
i am not interested in your q because i don't know how to play card games
 
user6820627
@FlyingGambit yeah unable to access
 
@LearnHowToBeTransparent FlyingGambit is afk: taking a break
 
user6820627
git clone flyinggambit@bitbucket.org/flyinggambit/trello-dashboard.git
fatal: repository 'flyinggambit@bitbucket.org/flyinggambit/trello-dashboard.git' does not exist
 
user6820627
 
@LearnHowToBeTransparent will upload 3 mins
@LearnHowToBeTransparent ufile.io/8b245
 
3:06 AM
equally important statements
 
not anymore
 
I bring balance to all things
even this
 
Hello everyone! this is my first message in StackOverflow chat group :)
 
@Benjamin Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
 
Welcome Benjamin.
 
user6820627
3:21 AM
@Benjamin "Hello, World"
 
user6820627
I searched Learn How To and found this user: stackoverflow.com/users/4273249/learn-how-to-lose-weight-healt
 
user6820627
wow.
 
@LearnHowToBeTransparent lol
 
What the fuck
 
Wait, we get reputation for docs citations?
So, I'm working on the Project Euler stuff to practice a new lang.
I'm not sure I understand this question correctly..
Each new term in the Fibonacci sequence is generated by adding the previous two terms. By starting with 1 and 2, the first 10 terms will be:

1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89, ...

By considering the terms in the Fibonacci sequence whose values do not exceed four million, find the sum of the even-valued terms.
sum := 0

fib := method(n,
  if (n == 1, return 1)
  if (n == 2, return 2, return fib(n-1) + fib(n-2))
)

i := 1
while ((val := fib(i)) < 4000000,
  if (val % 2 == 0, sum = sum + val)
  i = i + 1
)

sum println
Is this how I am supposed to solve this or.... did I not understand the question properly
 
user6820627
3:36 AM
@littlepootis wat lang
 
oh, I'm stupid
@LearnHowToBeTransparent Io
 
I'm a fucking idiot
 
I blew the stack :D
 
You made that stack your bitch.
 
user6820627
3:42 AM
there is no Stack Overflow in JS?
 
There is.
 
there is
 
unless the engine supports tail call recursion and you build your function correctly to make use of it
 
user6820627
@littlepootis tell me how to create that error
 
but how you do that is still up for debate
 
user6820627
3:44 AM
function a() {a()}
undefined
a()
VM751:1 Uncaught RangeError: Maximum call stack size exceeded(…)
 
user6820627
^is it right? it didn't say Stack Overflow
 
basically the same thing
i think technically what it's saying is that it has hit a limit that was put in place to prevent an actual stack overflow
a true stack overflow (as i understand it) actually corrupts the memory around the stack because you're writing to areas you shouldn't be
and is actually quite bad
 
user6820627
@david but we can fix it by restarting the computer is it right?
 
Haha, you don't need to go there.
The OS will probably deal with that.
 
@LearnHowToBeTransparent it should never be a problem these days
the OS has safeguards
unless you're doing like, low level shit on an embedded microcontroller or something
 
3:52 AM
OS's safeguards are pretty limited. It won't prevent overflow or underflow that's within data page.
 
i'll prevent it from screwing with other processes, though.
 
The worst thing that could happen is a Seg fault.
 
@Sheepy it doesn't isolate the stack?
 
seq fault is just trying to access memory outside yours, right?
 
m59
which package name is better, futurify or futureify ?
 
3:54 AM
second one looks a little like future ify
an uncertain future
 
m59
That is what it should be
 
iffy-future
 
m59
oh lol
 
@Luggage also when stack overflows (C doesn't check for this; too much memory usage just results in a seg fault on most systems)
 
@Luggage Actually OS will kill a process if it overflows across page boundary or into code pages. Some games crash a lot for this reason. So it also offers some protection to the process itself.
 
m59
3:56 AM
futurize is ideal, but it's taken, not being maintained well, and has two functions rather than one (should be separate packages)
 
@david The stack you think is very, very low level. JavaScript's stack overflow error certainly does not involve the OS and does not need a restart of anything to recover.
Well, at least the engine, the context (browser), and the OS does not need a restart. The program itself might.
 
4:12 AM
@Sheepy Yeah I know that, it's what I was saying
it's why javascript doesn't actually have a stack overflow error, it has a call stack size limit exceeded error
 
Well, it's JS VM stack overflow to me. Close enough :)
 
The program's stack is different from JS's stack
 
And Java realyy have a StackOverflowError.
 
it's not a stack overflow though, nothing is overflowing the stack, it's stopping before the overflow happens
 
@LearnHowToBeTransparent we don't have Vietnamese bread in that shop
 
4:39 AM
Hello
It has always been a question lingering in my mind why there are so few people chatting in this room. I thought it should be a chat room accessible worldwide and loads of people might come here to exchange ideas all the time.
 
m59
I think a lot of people come in, ask a question that is totally lazy, don't get someone to solve their problems for them, and then leave and never come back
So, that's part of it. But, it does seem like there would be more regulars, yeah.
 
It's a joy to get across my ideas in English while my mother tongue is Chinese.
 
lol
how to lose weight. haha
 
There is a saying in Chinese, which says "是药三分毒", which means every single piece of medicine has its side effects, more or less.
2
 
this small chinese writing means that much?
 
Yes. It's somewhat like a proverb.
 
5:22 AM
In English we have a saying: Fuck. It can mean pretty much anything.
6
 
5:32 AM
is there any way we can add css for below javscript line :
var colsOption = [
{id: 'entity_id' , header: "Order Id" , width :"15",renderer : my_renderId},
];
 
?
what is that for?
I mean.. I would make the assumption entity_id is an ID maybe?
so you MIGHT be able to style that with #entity_id{stuff}
heh not being sarcastic, entity_id is super generic so it might not reference an element with that for an ID attribute
 
5:50 AM
@Loktar thanks, please check this once : magento.stackexchange.com/questions/148140/…
 
yeah idk anything about magento
heading to bed though good luck!
 
6:13 AM
@Loktar he's kind of a dick
 
 
1 hour later…
7:42 AM
this is one of my cambridge interviewers apparently XD real-life Q as described by topgear
 
Hello all. Please answer the question.
Should I read https://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/? Is it still actual? Or I just waste the time?
 
@torokhkun Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
 
user3119231
good morning!
 
@torokhkun yes definitely if you want to
It doesn't teach you OOP or even programming
it teaches you to see a computer as an abstract machine, capable to manipulate information on your command
In fact, all CS students should read that book. But it wasn't mandatory back in my time
 
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Q: How to combine two collection based on id(transectionid) using node.js?

its mei have transection and purchase collections,which is contaning transection and purchase details now i want to convert it into single collection. based on transectionid we need to combine the documents Below is my transection collection data's { "transectionid": "1", "transectionamount...

 
8:06 AM
Morning
does anyone heard of anything like d3 scaling/zooming and showing hiding text at same time
 
8:25 AM
when you're scaling the frame, add a function that scales all elements of that
 
@KarelG just going to read about scaling in D3,thanks
mean while if you could find an example would be very nice :) thanks
 
8:57 AM
@LearnHowToBeTransparent did you manage to download it ?
 
user3119231
9:08 AM
how's everyone doing?
 
Coffeeing up to weekday levels
 
I still fail at factorizing polynomials in the form ax^2 + bx + c without solving them for 0. Any quick article/trick?
 
just got a fresh coffee
we have a nice machine at work. You put beans in that reservoir and you can choose out of 8 different coffee types
even caffe latte
 
user3119231
I only drink tea.
 
i drink that too
hmm refactoring polynomials...
i recall a math formula but i forgot how to use it
 
9:21 AM
@Maurize no jaggermeister?
@KarelG how many coffes can I afford with this?
 
good one :P
 
yes!
in spain, 6 and 8 of december are festive :D
so tomorrow and thursday
it's like monday, wednesday and friday are fridays
 
9:44 AM
@Neoares and also the breakfasts are like dinners (in my experience)
 
user3119231
@Neoares no, my liver will thank me.
 
i'm a frequent whisky drinker :/
 
10:03 AM
@Mathematics you still on about this? what's wrong with measuring the zoom and downsizing overflown text proportionally?
 
hey guys
can someone help me with a hint ?
I'm trying to creat a close button without using javascript but using only css
All good and nice by using :hover and :target but the problem apper when I hover second time the element because is not fired any more and I don't understand why :|
#container:hover #test1:target {display: none;}

#container:hover #test1{display: block}
 
Why are you trying to solve this in CSS?
 
@SvenvandeScheur Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
 
@SvenvandeScheur because I don't want to use js :)
 
@burebistaruler #test1 gets added to your URI, which is what :target checks for.
 
10:11 AM
@burebistaruler, please dont feel ashamed to use JS for certain things. Just try to provide a request/response alternative if you wan't your app to work without JS.

If you build an app, please think of HTML, CSS and JS as layers in the MVC pattern:

HTML: The model (what to display)
CSS: The view (how to dipslay)
JS: The control logic (how to interact)
 
@SvenvandeScheur Yes but for "dummy" windows sometimes is better to have css in order to avoid delays
 
Pressing a button is something that typically the controller handles. It may change the state of something in the HTML model (by adding/removing/modifying a class) which results in a view change because different CSS rules apply
Please explain what you mean by "dummy windows".
 
no need to track nothing, just to close a tooltip for example
or a dropdow menu
 
Would still go for proper MVC, worked on a project where someone handled stuff using css by utilizing :target. Ended up rewriting the whole thing. Don't be affraid of using JS for these kind of things, if JS triggered the tooltip in the first place, it's safe to asume JS is supported ;)
 
@burebistaruler use the right tool...JS is the way to go
 
10:18 AM
@SvenvandeScheur with js it's very easy, just trying be more inventive
:D
 
@burebistaruler, creativity and thinking outside the box is a good thing. So is separation of concerns ;)
I think the problem you encountered just shows how fragile this technique is...
 
@bitten why you say so?
 
@Neoares i stayed in Valencia for a bit and our breakfasts were 3-5 courses with fishes, meats, proteins et al. lunch was small, and dinner even smaller.. it was like eating backwards for me
it was great
 
dinner has to be very small
and breakfast is the most important meal :)
 
yeah i can see that :P
i miss tortillas @Neoares
 
10:30 AM
@bitten oh yes...
I eat it at least once a week
 
heh nice
 
@FilipDupanović I honestly don't know how to do that :|
and can't find a tut to follow too
 
If there is no tutorial on it, then it's probably one of those unsolved questions of life
 
@SvenvandeScheur I think you have no idea what MVC is
 
@SvenvandeScheur if the change is something simple, then js is not required
 
10:42 AM
@OliverSalzburg I doubt if there is no tutorial for it, I think it's just me not able to find it
 
and you're the first that talks about HTML / CSS / Js as MVC pattern.
doesn't make sense
 
@tereško I do know what MVC is, the reason why HTML does no longer do markup (it is moved outside of HTML to CSS) is because of certain ideas of MVC (separation of the information/logic/view) are applied to the HTML ecosystem.

I did not say that MVC is strict a MVC pattern, but in can be thought of it/explained in a certain way to indicate that some stuff should not be done in some places...
 
markup is not moved to CSS
 
We don't use the <font> tag anymore right? Nor should we add tags to the DOM to facilitate markup, we should just structure our contact semantically
 
^--
err, you need to check what HTML exactly is
 
10:46 AM
I think you have no idea what markup is
@SvenvandeScheur and MVC is a pattern that separates the domain business logic from the UI logic
 
@tereško, I'm aware of that, please read my previous post.
 
... you mean the one that I responded to?
 
"I did not say that MVC is strict a MVC pattern, but in can be thought of it/explained in a certain way to indicate that some stuff should not be done in some places..."

I made a typo there, please read: "I did not say that HTML is strict a MVC pattern"
" but in can be thought of it/explained in a certain way to indicate that some stuff should not be done in some places..."
 
@SvenvandeScheur you are using "MVC" in the same as Deepak Chopra uses "quantum"
 
Am I right in saying that bootstrap needs to be complimented with css in actual web development ?
 
10:51 AM
@FlyingGambit No
 
@OliverSalzburg Then I am a failure at bootstrap Y_Y
 
You can build something with plain Bootstrap, just like you can build something without any CSS
 
@FlyingGambit yes. Because in a real project you will use the Bootstrap as the "baseline theme", which the you extend and adjust.
 
eh
one "yes" and one "no" on that question
 
a different question is, what do you want to use it for
I personally would only use bootstrap for the "admin" interface, where the adjustments and extending would be kept to the minimum
in the user-facing part of the project you probably wouldnt benefit from bootstrap all that much
 
10:59 AM
@tereško Some of my buttons are shifting up and down on smaller screens , I can think of a solution using flex but not bootstrap
 
I'm with @tereško on this. It's usually more effort to cancel out global bootstrap styling in favor of custom css so using bootstrap many time just doesn't make sense. (It can make sense for simple admins where custom styling isn't that important).
 
@SvenvandeScheur When first started out with bootstrap, I had to write custom css to get rid of all predefined margins and paddings
It was hell
 
but even for admin interfaces, bootstrap isn't that hard to customise
 
Bootstrap is very poorly designed in certain ways. Yet if you stick to only Bootstrap it may be usefull for certain people.
 
just changing the brand-primary colour is a huge difference already
 
11:02 AM
One of the downsides of Bootstrap is the global styling that breaks a lot of non-bootsrap things.
 
set the radii to 0 and change the font and it almost doesn't look like bootstrap already
 
huh huh huh
 
codepen.io/anon/pen/JbLGVr This however works correctly for me in the pen. But in the actual development ... it looks like this ...
I think its because of the theme i am using.
 
is it flex?
 
its grid
 
11:05 AM
is that supported properly yet?
 
using bootstrap grid, not using flex or any custom css
bootstrap 3
 
I thought Bootstrap 4 relied on flex for it's grid but I might be wrong (stopped using Bootstrap)
If it relies on flex it should NOT wrap unless flex-wrap is set.
Other techniques make it more difficult to prevent wrapping
 
I am using boostrap 3 and yes bootstrap 4 does use flex
universities should be teaching us bootstrap and Angular :<
 
That would be a terrible idea
 
most jobs use these techs anyways
 
11:10 AM
Universities should teach HTML, CSS and JavaScript
It's up to the devs/companies to abstract difficulties away
Wouldn't be nice if nobody could debug bootstrap anymore :P
 
yeah but it would be a bless if they taught these in addition to it
then I would have been more attentive in the class :P
 
true true
 
Well we wouldn't even have HAD bootstrap because the people who wrote it would have been learning Foundation in university
 
it would be the end of days if universities would tech a specific library or framework
 
how useless these courses would be.
"oh yeah we spent 3 years teaching you something that is now obsolete!"
 
11:12 AM
@ivarni good point
 
@FlyingGambit Is your attention span the problem of the school?
@FlorianMargaine Flash/ActionScript.
 
I wouldn't be in favor of schools teaching bootstrap, but i just don't like bootstrap. I also think that schools shouldn't be opiniated on what framework to use.
Just teach the basics and pick multiple industry tools to show some possiblities
 
@Cerbrus 50% because of boring lectures and 50% because of the sexy ones being in the other classroom
 
@FlyingGambit I'm gonna be blunt: 100% your problem.
 
@Cerbrus you making me feel bad >.<
 
11:15 AM
Yea, that can happen when I'm blunt.
 
I actually hate Angular and React just for the reason, that we finally were at a point in time, were we had everything standardized more or less, natively available across browsers. jQuery was done, we had, fetch, xhr2, shiny DOM features, no 3rd party lib necessary really
and then the "MVC" framework wave rolled over us
oh y
 
anything better than jQuery...
(I also do not like jQuery, used it loved it, but moved on to ES6 tooling)
 
feels like, not matter what they do, developers in general (frontend engineers especially) are doomed to learn an entire new concept or framework/library every couple of years
 
Yup...:(
New package manager every day, oh and have you checked out this new framework yet?
 
@jAndy if it works and is stable, why do you change things? just curious
 
11:19 AM
@jAndy s/years/weeks.
 
@bitten you don't, not within a project. But as a developer (human) you have to move along or you will be gone soon
 
@jAndy just for arguments sake, i know magento1 developers who have a stable jobs
 
granted
 
they could find some node based cms with react server and client side rendering but they don't need to?
 
but I don't see that happen in a frontend environment, if I just think about all the libraries which I've seen come and go over the past 10 years
 
11:21 AM
Some COBOL devs too, have stable jobs.
 
The problem is IMHO:

1. More and more tasks rely on frontend.
2. more and better fronted tools are required to facilitate this.
3.Which constantly changes the fundamental workflow.
4. As a result, new tools are introduced (go back to 2).
 
I need your help guys
 
of course, in some devastated, old server/project all those libraries are still running, but I don't think you will make a living as dev for those
 
I need you to test this URL in your Android phone
and tell me if it's throwing a SSL error
 
SNI issues?
 
11:23 AM
idk
 
@jAndy but i know people who make livings as magento developers :p
 
I'm not a pro with SSL xD
I just saw that in some android devices the browser blocks it
 
Old androids doen't support SNI
 
my mate has an android 6
and doesn't work for him
but works in my android 5 samsung device
as far as I know it doesn't work for android 2
but should work on 4, 5, etc
 
Yes, thought that android 2 was this issue
 
11:25 AM
@littlepootis Over here the banks pull people out of uni to teach them COBOL since the original COBOL people are dying off
 
Can you hook the phone up to the chrome debugger?
 
@ivarni that sucks
But hey, that's better than being a frontend developer
 
@bitten yea.. you might even make a very good living as specialist of Prototype (the library) if that is used in a huge big government website/project for instance
 
Yeah.. I've met COBOL programmers in their early 20s, once the legacy system they work on are finally gone I'm not sure what they're supposed to do
 
but those are exceptions. The mass is forced to move with the crazy pace
 
11:29 AM
@SvenvandeScheur yes, but the browser already says the error
didn't you get an error?
 
html canvas vs browser canvas ? really ... there are two types of canvas :|
 
@jAndy fair point. but also client projects are always behind on technology because i don't want to deploy libraries that aren't mature, or libraries that i don't know that well
 
I guess ultimately it depends on the individual. If you're cool with learning some "lib" or "framework" and then stick with that for a long time, fine. Still you have the problem that in the meantime, everything you know gets obsolete and outdated. On the other hand, if you lay your focus to every tiny bit of progress, read all the ES specs and discussion, use all the cutting edge things.. Babel & co. you will probably never create something really
you just learn to learn, I see this as big dilemma in the whole industry, because typically we want to stay on the edge, but also create projects
 
@jAndy "you will probably never create something really" haha yeah true. although i think "everything you know gets obsolete and outdated" is a bit of a strawman
you could still pitch and sell a project written with angular1 or ember, or even magento1 even though they are "outdated"
 
@Mathematics wtf ?!
 
11:37 AM
what often becomes obsolete first is your product
 
@FlyingGambit Someone told me there are two types of canvas...
 
I feel rather depressed with the latest development of things. It's not that you have to learn new libs&frameworks, now you also have to choose a path. Like between Angular and React. Before that it was like jQuery or other toolkit libs, but you could easily create anything with or without that kind of stuff
 
one that browsers deal with.. and then there is another one which is rendered straight by graphics card or something
I think I didn't quiet understood it right
 
@Mathematics I am waiting for someone else with more knowledge to comment on it
@jAndy I also feel the same
 
@FlyingGambit do you mean @jAndy ?
 
11:39 AM
@bitten they need to move to magento2 though :)
 
@Mathematics anybody
 
@FlyingGambit I am not sure if I have that much knowledge to comment on it though
 
@bitten and use Magento Cloud hosting, of course.
 
I just love plain JavaScript the way it is now
 
maybe not anybody ? but somebody
 
11:40 AM
@FlyingGambit and powerful it is... just like so
 
@Mathematics which word is right ?
 
but in the real world.. look at jobs and companies, forcing devs to either angular or react
 
@FlyingGambit any word is right, but in this context somebody
 
@Mathematics wat
 
@littlepootis lets wait for someone with deep knowledge to comment
and it's def not me here
 
11:41 AM
@Mathematics Lol
 
maybe when they are done with daily rants ? :)
 
@Mathematics who said that and what's the context?
 
A different question ... is the 'e' in adobe silent ??
 
@jAndy that's also because you're not a junior anymore and web dev is getting more complicated. you could still be a "webmaster" though although it'll take a long time to finish a project to the standards of today i think
 
@bitten web master ?
 
11:44 AM
>standards of today
 
@littlepootis pls
what words would you choose?
:p
 
@bitten what's the difference of being a junior or senior? Imo it's even worse as junior respectively someone who is just digging into the whole thing
 
@jAndy juniors are less focused and have no pressure to find a path
 
Bloated, inaccessible, resource-intensive websites that are better off being build without JS?
 
@bitten you are just adding salt to the wound, ain't u :P
 
11:47 AM
@littlepootis oh i thought you were poking fun at my phrasing ^.^
 
I guess my biggest problem with the situation is splitting up the whole show. Angular vs. React, probably even deeper with Angular2. On the other side, all the native stuff which works and is available, but you have to learn both or specialize on one. I don't like it.
 
Is Angular 2 stable yet?
 
@jAndy if you are having problem learning Angular or react, I can help you :)
 
There is no case where you have to either use Angular, or React and there is no case where you only can build something with one and not the other.. and everything is also very doable without anything at all
 
@SvenvandeScheur It'll be out of fashion by the time it is :)
 
11:49 AM
@FlorianMargaine i think so too ^^
 
@Mathematics thanks :P
 
@littlepootis its not like wearing pants so that it would be out of fashion
 
maybe for different reasons as i just have 0 experience with php :p
 
Thats my biggest fear, I'm working on an Aurelia project right now, basically because 2-way binding is a massive nice to have and all the other frameworks are either dead or something I don't like
 
user3119231
I don't have a clue what to gift my gf for christmas
 
11:50 AM
@jAndy no problem, I have seen senior developers having problems with learning them, they are not that difficult specially when it's me teaching them :)
 
flowers!
 
user3119231
flowers on christmas? hmm
 
@Mathematics I'm actually very deep in react, not just because I created a framework 2 years ago myself, which works ridiculously similar
 
Retrocomputing
3
 
@jAndy vdom and everything?
 
11:51 AM
Neat subreddit
 
I'm just ranting on the situation I see develop in that "frontend engineering" scene
@littlepootis yes, very, very similar
 
Just got a nice christmas gift suggestion in slack: arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/12/usb-killer-fries-devices
 

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