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9:00 PM
@crl yes
@MadaraUchiha ecosystem = quicklisp
 
crl
yea it can be interesting
 
3 is not really essential
and 2?
asdf?
@MadaraUchiha also, CLOS is really nice
it's full of features
 
where would you go for usage statistics?
 
on which terms ?
 
javascript usage
in browsers
 
9:06 PM
99.9%?
 
@ajaxGuru 99.999%
 
crl
var x=elem('button').data({useLink: true}) //<button data-use-link="true"> cool
 
@MadaraUchiha some people still have it turned off
 
some people explicitly turn it off, yes
 
@ajaxGuru Life is too short for accounting for those people among the general population :P
 
9:07 PM
it's the funniest "security" measure
 
anyone used openstack?
 
@SuperUberDuper oh yeah
 
You content should be readable even without JavaScript.
 
tell me all
 
That's true.
 
9:07 PM
@ssube it's more of a privacy measure than a security one
 
so why not build so they can use the html only version of the site, but if you have it enabled why not build it for them at the same time
 
it does servers, works good
@FlorianMargaine and it accomplishes neither
 
@ssube of course it does
it's not because it's technically useless that it doesn't work on many websites
 
@MadaraUchiha why don't many big sites build to not rely on javascript mostly?
 
most people just drop the ga snippet in their html and are done with it
 
9:09 PM
is it a good replacement for using parse.com @ssube ?
 
@SuperUberDuper wat
 
@ajaxGuru Because relying on JavaScript for things that don't require JavaScript is silly.
 
I can just deploy it on Digital Ocean
and not need to store data in parse
 
!!tell SuperUberDuper wat3
 
9:10 PM
an example of a webpage that doesn't require javascript is an error page ...
 
@SuperUberDuper you need to git you a real question, boy
 
i know, but why not build most stuff to be non-reliant on javascript?
 
openstack, parse.com, and digital ocean are fairly different things
 
unless you're that person with fancy multilist navigation
 
@ajaxGuru cause you can't have an SPA that doesn't use JS
 
9:10 PM
oh
 
@ssube well, DO could provide openstack
 
@SuperUberDuper are you talking about client parse
 
@MadaraUchiha while(document.body.hasChildNodes) { document.body.removeNode(document.body.lastChild) } document.body.appendChild(document.createTextNode('please disable JavaScript to view this content'));
 
@FlorianMargaine wouldn't be surprised if they run on it with their own dashboard
 
you can have it self revert
 
9:11 PM
sure you can! frameset!
 
@ssube you can. If you only have one page to show :P
 
I know there are a few big providers using OS underneath, backed by Xen or KVM
 
but sites like facebook don't for some reason
 
@rlemon document.body.innerHTML = 'please disable JavaScript to view this content'; // ?
 
without frameset
 
9:12 PM
@MadaraUchiha only plebs use innerHTML
 
frameset is DIRTY i thought
what do they use? html()
 
@rlemon only plebs force disabling js
 
no, it is the new hip thing
we don't need no js
 
@ajaxGuru outerHttP
 
@rlemon why not <noscript> ?
 
9:13 PM
@KarelG I think you missed the point of that
 
i may
 
2
Q: ERRROR STATUS: URL contains outer http

Abdul RaufI have a COLDFUSION page which except parameters from url and show them in fields. My url looks like this which is working. http://www.example.com/test.cfm?activeUrl=www.msn.com&secure=False But following is not working. I have added http before www in activeUrl value. http://www.example.com/...

 
@ssube what did you use openstack to make?
 
@rlemon let gopher return
 
@SuperUberDuper servers?
 
9:14 PM
gack CF
brrrr !
 
for what application?
 
all of them?
we run our whole network on OS
 
even the desktop ones?
 
someone suggested outerhttp
 
@ajaxGuru are you still talking about SO being a SPA?
 
9:15 PM
like, 400-500 VMs across a couple dozen hosts
 
SPA is normally thought of as needing javascript, but i can run the same without
 
crl
lol
 
i'm trying to figure out why people do it wrong
 
all a good SPA needs is a sauna
 
ah, how does js dev start with OS? @ssube
 
9:16 PM
@ssube what's the underlying system ?
 
@rlemon !!ROFlol
 
hahaha
 
no
 
@ajaxGuru Because what's "right" and what's "wrong" changes per project per company per audience per developer.
 
you can make a spa with jscript
 
9:16 PM
@SuperUberDuper learn what a BIOS is
@KarelG he just said it: openstack
 
@MadaraUchiha but you can have it right for both <script>, and <noscript>
 
it's now U(E)FI bro
 
UFI?
I think you meant (U)EFI
 
@ajaxGuru But is it worth the effort?
 
yes. my bad
 
9:18 PM
Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't.
 
@SuperUberDuper unrelated
 
1 seccond, yes
 
@KarelG KVM
 
I really wanna see some rocking code examples
 
i don't think that current generation mobo's uses BIOS
 
9:18 PM
we have big old metal boxes running centos 7, I think, with KVM and OS
 
@rlemon of what?
 
@ajaxGuru rocking code, not rocket coding
 
you failed at failing
 
lmao
 
9:19 PM
:D
 
@SuperUberDuper openstack just manages a bunch of hosts and their VMs, like vSphere might
you can run any app in those VMs
 
> Are you scratching your head wondering how amateur designers or programmers can make powerful and modern websites, and be able to sell it to their clients and making their dreams come true?
Oh dear god
 
we run Java, Node, Python, briefly Ruby then we dropped it cause it crashed
 
@MadaraUchiha what are you selling?
@ssube no go?
 
9:20 PM
@FlorianMargaine rocket coding :D
 
@FlorianMargaine nah, only real life stuff :D
JVM and Node mostly
 
@FlorianMargaine rockingcode.com
 
ah ok
 
@MadaraUchiha I wonder if they use ajax
:D
 
@ssube but OS is better than vSphere cause its open?
 
9:22 PM
@rlemon They're modern and webscale and make your dreams come true
So of course.
 
@SuperUberDuper no, it's better because it can do more
 
"Build Flat, Responsive WordPress Site!"
wordpress man ...
 
@MadaraUchiha so they must mongo
 
it can manage ESXI and KVM and Xen, it can automatically spin up boxes during high load, etc
 
if they webscale
 
9:22 PM
@rlemon so mongo, wow
 
@KarelG !!yes
 
> Over 20% of all websites online are using WordPress as their Content Management System (CMS)
but there is no sauce/source to verify that.
 
that is true
 
9:24 PM
@KarelG That's sadly true.
 
wordpress powers like 21% of the web
 
<.<
 
> Are you scratching your head wondering how amateur designers or programmers can make powerful and modern websites, and be able to sell it to their clients and making their dreams come true?
Yes, yes I am
 
4 mins ago, by Madara Uchiha
> Are you scratching your head wondering how amateur designers or programmers can make powerful and modern websites, and be able to sell it to their clients and making their dreams come true?
 
I strongly recommend that every beginner developer learn wordpress and get really, really good at it
ahahahahhaha
 
9:25 PM
ahahahahha
 
he's not wrong
 
@phenomnomnominal Simple, they delegate all their work to Stack Overflow.
 
wordpress === $$$
 
9:25 PM
^
 
I wouldn't subject myself to it, but it does make money
 
Sell your soul === $$$
 
Basically.
 
lol
big
^
 
@FlorianMargaine That's not the good one
 
@MadaraUchiha I know, couldn't find it
 
Am I supposed to be making more money with javascript than like c++ or something
 
9:26 PM
yeaah
 
@Meredith Probably, yeah.
 
cuz i might have to renegotiate my salary
 
So, I made an ERD for SourceUndead to try and get an idea on how I want the battle and shit to work. Will post a pic in a second, let me type up my explanation
 
london $500 pd
 
Well, it depends on what you would do with JS, and what you would do with C++
And where
 
9:27 PM
and what the company does
 
and how good you are
 
But generally, it shouldn't be a problem finding a well paying job with JavaScript.
 
and how much you flirt with your hiring manager
 
@SterlingArcher the fuck is an ERD?
 
that's so unfair. i'm a male and cannot flirt with the chief to get more muney ;_;
 
9:28 PM
@rlemon as much as you can.
 
TBF, it shouldn't be a problem finding a well paying job period. If you're good at being a programmer.
 
If you want a good job, hang dong.
 
Yeah I make good money
 
Learning a new language when you know a couple already is just time to learn the syntax
 
I just assumed that some other languages paid more
 
9:28 PM
@KarelG what does gender have to do with flirting
 
@Meredith cobol always pays more, but is it worth it?
 
@Meredith most important thing is that you're happy with your current job.
 
@MadaraUchiha cough cough
 
!!should I get pizza?
 
@rlemon Doubtfully
 
9:28 PM
@MadaraUchiha unless it's a new paradigm
 
@KendallFrey 2 males -> both aren't gay -> no flirt
 
@rlemon I think that means no.
 
@KendallFrey but what if the new paradigm is market-disruptingly synergistic?
 
Funny thought: If all programs were written in assembly, then all programs would be open source :D
 
@KarelG you still can
 
9:29 PM
@ssube brb learning cobol
 
@ssube get out
 
@MadaraUchiha would they?
which assembly and which assembler? those macros, man
 
@MadaraUchiha open source is about the license
and yeah, macros
 
if we still wrote machine code like real developers and not the children that code now...
 
what about encrypted code
 
9:30 PM
So you have the player table. Simple stuff, account details. id, username, password, email. Each account has 2 sets of statistics. One for time played as a zombie, and another for human. Tracks your kills/infections, deaths, and games won/lost (if you survive an entire match as a human, you win, if you infect all humans, you win.

For the matches. I have 4 tables. one for the game id, and its status. each player has entires in battle_stats, where it tracks your location, attack, defense, level, race (zomb/human), and kills. Another table for game status (preparing, in progress, compelte). A
 
Decrypt it like a real programmer
 
@ssube any cool cobol stuff on guthub?
 
@ssube real programmers use a butterfly...
 
@SuperUberDuper hell if I know...
 
9:30 PM
@SuperUberDuper yeah, hold on
 
@FlorianMargaine you can take your emacs and shove it
 
yes, confirmed. Wordpress has ~25% :/
 
@SterlingArcher CUTE
 
@SterlingArcher You use dead trees? infidel
 
Yeah I'd actually like to see something written in cobol
 
9:30 PM
I want to optimize a simple but effective database to handle game matches. Stats are simple, but the async match will be tricky
 
Anyways, with that data given. Can I improve this model, or am I missing key db elements?
 
@SterlingArcher you suck at writing
 
Thank you
 
03 COW-vars OCCURS 99 times.
Omg cobol is beautiful
 
9:32 PM
REBEL is beautifuller
 
@SterlingArcher you're welcome, that'll be $5
 
just checked my "history of programming language" chart.
 
@SterlingArcher cross your f
damn
 
COBOL got an update at 2014 o.o
 
COBOL is... clear
 
9:32 PM
@copy Today my boss copied and pasted a function and just changed its name and I told him my thoughts and he gave me a 30 minute lecture on why it's okay to duplicate code in "Health data"
 
didn't knew that
 
kebab case is the funniest/most accurate name for anything ever
 
I love how you guys are critiquing my handwriting more than the actual db model :(
 
We're programmers. We don't care about other people's architecture.
 
Your handwriting is better than mine
But at least I cross my f's
 
9:33 PM
I did cross my f's
see that little smudge near the e? that's the cross
 
not in infection
 
@SterlingArcher you write like a woman
 
that's not a cross
 
@FlorianMargaine says the french guy
 
@SterlingArcher : zombie and human almost share same attributes
 
9:34 PM
@phenomnomnominal I don't get the joke
 
It's not a joke
 
Just an observation
 
@BadgerCat :-(
 
"I'm going to start narrating the chat", he said.
 
9:35 PM
@KarelG yeah, but the key is to be able to track when a human makes a kill, versus when a zombie infects a human. Humans can turn, zombies just die
 
@SterlingArcher shouldn't "lose" be "loss"?
 
also what's battle.pid?
 
my guess is player id, but I think that's useless for that table
 
@SterlingArcher battle_stat only has one player_id?
 
9:36 PM
the battle main table merely has an id, and the games status
 
shouldn't it be 2 players?
 
@copy But at least he's open to get rid of cgi and port everything to flask
 
@BadgerCat cgi rocks!
 
@FlorianMargaine It's up to 11 players. So each player will have an entry
 
@FlorianMargaine nice a web cobol thing
 
9:37 PM
I made that
 
@SterlingArcher what the balls is an ERD?
 
> An entity-relationship diagram, or ERD, is a chart that visually represents the relationship between database entities. ERDs model an organization's data storage requirements with three main components: entities, attributes, and relationships.
 
What's the point of the status table?
 
gross
I should draw some of those
 
It looks like you could just have a status attr
 
9:38 PM
with graphs: asciiflow.com
 
Just used array.reduce for the first time!
 
@Meredith just a list of statuses. Could simply just have a string in the battle table and remove the table all together
 
const allColumnWidths = columns.reduce((x, y) => x + (y.width || 100), 0);
 
@ssube or with graphviz
 
I feel like it'd be easier to just have a string
 
9:38 PM
@SterlingArcher just use an enum
 
@SterlingArcher i don't get it ?
 
@FlorianMargaine try the ascii graphs, they're fun
 
Well an enum
 
@KarelG what don't you get?
 
it's actually kind of nice to graph in text, so there are no distractions
 
9:39 PM
@ssube ugly
unless I misunderstood something
 
for simple graphs, like sterling's data graph there, it's nice
boxes, text, lines, no frills and colors and gradients and snap points to screw with
 
ah, it generates ascii graphs
 
if you were to start a new project, what would cobol be good candidate for?
 
@FlorianMargaine yessir
 
Academic masturbation
 
9:41 PM
@SuperUberDuper feminism
 
human.kills = human makes a kill ? it's available in battlestats ?

and what do you mean "humans can turn, zombies just dies" ?
 
@SterlingArcher I don't think the battle_stats table is necessary either
Unless you think it just makes it more organized
 
humans can become zombies, zombies can't become humans
 
@KarelG human + zombie = zombie + zombie or human + dead zombie
 
unless this is minecraft
 
9:42 PM
@KarelG it starts out as 1 zombie vs 10 humans (subject to change numbers), when a zombie "kills" a human, human turns into zombie. If a human kills a zombie, that's it. If all the zombies die, the humans win
@Meredith explain your reasoning?
 
ah
 
@SterlingArcher How does a zombie defeat a human or vice versa? Is it just draining the opponent's HP?
 
@KevinB this is a new game, the sky is your limit
 
@SterlingArcher You could just merge it with battle
 
yeah, battle_stats seems like it should fit in other tables
 
9:43 PM
^--
 
Unless there's more than one battle_stats per battle
 
then i would understand the design better
 
you have the battle with a map and list of players, each player has their human/zombie state, health, and item, the map has walls and items
 
Idk, I used a different syntax for erds
 
what else is there?
 
9:44 PM
@KendallFrey initially yeah. But once the basic map and game mechanics are out, I'll make it more complicated. Human crafting, zombie powerups, etc
 
@FlorianMargaine The sky is such a shallow and small limit. Do u even KSP bro
 
should get ksp one day, looks like my kind of game
 
@Meredith @ssube that makes sense. Less joins that way too
 
Seems like it might end up with kind of boring gameplay
 
probably, but I want to see this through. I've never made a game before. Start simple, right?
 
9:45 PM
either the humans kill the zombie immediately, or the zombie infects enough to give the humans no chance
 
lol, let's sterling have his pleasure ...
 
And shouldn't there be an infections attr in battle (or battle_stats)
Since you make a distinction between kills and infections
 
Well, hey, it will be 100x more interesting than my first real game.
unless you count MS Access :/
 
it's a very common "first game" for developers, i've seen it in several moddable games so far
 
@KendallFrey there will be balances. An unarmed human has no chance against a zombie. They need to make barriers and weapons and shit. As a zombie kills, it gets stronger too
Just gotta find the balance
 
oh
@Meredith yes, infections should be in there. Good eye
 
@MadaraUchiha whut
 
@MadaraUchiha that's good news for kendall. Now he knows that someone faps when he's facing him
 
One day I was talking to the president of the company and I noticed he had a youtube video playing on his laptop. Well, being the nosey bastard that I am I just had to see what it was. "Exploring the Deep Web". I was thoroughly amused.
 
@KendallFrey but one late-game human can kill zombies very well. We suggested letting zombies revive each other.
 
9:50 PM
maybe zombie should never "die"
just be reset
 
@Loktar if you let them revive each other after a minute or so, the humans need to kill them all at once (wipe out the infection)
give the zombies a ton of HP but never let them regen (until they revive) and you have to coordinate killing them all in quick succession
 
battle.pid is confusing
 
That's a latter day discussion, but yes, I intend something like , a lvl 2 zombie can revive a lvl 1, etc if it finds it on the map. But, if zombies can be revives, more humans may need to be added
 
but you can also set traps and lure them in, then kill them before they revive each other
 
hey its 2016
 
9:52 PM
orly
 
seemed to be just 2015
 
Just so the game isn't 2 minutes long
 
slowpoke
Sterling, just start with basics. Expand once it goes smooth
 
So does cobol need IBM to run on or smth?
 
yeah, changing player counts and starting health will be easy
 
9:53 PM
@KarelG that's the plan. I need to set up many things before I generate the game map
 
make a Mike Tyson zombie that bites your ear off.
 
But at least I have the code ready for map generation once I get there
 
mite tython
 
they're giving you suggestions. But don't loose your track :p
 
I have my to do list all nice and did liek :D
 
@SuperUberDuper nobody was serious about cobol
 
I really like express routing
 
app.route("/create")
	.get((req, res) => res.render('createAccount.ejs'))
	.post((req,res) => {
		let user = req.body.user;
		let pass = req.body.pass;
		let email = req.body.email;
		console.log(user, pass, email);
		post.createAccount(user,pass,email).then(response => res.send(response));
	});
Me gusta that syntax
 
@ssube I broke my back, spinal.
 
9:55 PM
So much cleaner than app.get/app.post
 
Hi guys
Hey Sterling can you explain that syntax
let user and all
how does that work
 
That's NodeJS
 
use const
 
that's es2015
 
I use app.get and app.post
xD
 
9:59 PM
that's javascript
 
that code really looks awesome
clean and professional
 
I've created a route that handles a get and post request to the same route. When it gets a post request, set user pass and email to the post params, and send them into a function to create an account
 
cobol today = big bucks : microfocus.com/solutions/cobol
 
@Meredith @rlemon when to use const vs let?
I see const as a final variable, is that not right?
 
const for stuff that doesnt change
 
9:59 PM
always use const
 
let signifies that you'll change the value later
 
until you can't
 

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