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5:00 PM
woo app submitted to the contest
 
woo app? like woo in sims? you dirty bird
 
;)
 
@BenCraig when we going for a beer?
 
@rlemon anytime next week that isnt monday or weds
 
So... anyone knows why heroku is dead? the follow up post (blog.circleci.com/it-really-is-the-future) of that (rather famous) satirical conversation doesn't say anything about it.
 
5:03 PM
@BenCraig kk
 
I have fencing practice then, so pick a time/place and let me know
 
@AwalGarg it isn't
 
@SomeKittens makes sense.
 
the joke is all the valley folk saying it is because it isn't the latest, flashiest thing
 
user1596138
@AwalGarg We aren't a part of the elite group that can understand this
 
5:07 PM
oh hey
my last project idea is a docker replacement
who's on it with me? cc @Zirak
 
user1596138
I hear if you drink enough Soylent and abstain from water we can be like them too, tho
 
It's not dead, but it is dead. Superposition shit here.
@Florian I'd be happy to help where I can, but don't want to get in the way.
 
@Jhoopins A Soylent cult. I like it.
 
Given enough space, time, and Florian Margaine, one can totally replace any flashiest technology.
 
5:10 PM
@copy heh, nice.
Given any tech/concept, there will be people who think it's amazing and those who despise it. The mere existence of those groups do nothing to prove anything about the tech/concept.
 
boycottcalifornia.js
 
boycottnicks.codes
 
Wow, just learned that Swift 2 will be opensourced and ported to Linux :o
Apparently this has been news for >2 months
 
boycottcanada.us
 
Signing up for an Apple ID. They have some pretty decent password rules...
 
5:19 PM
apparently find/findaAll are still in the spec--they're just working on finalizing/changing the name
 
Can't believe they stole the idea from you without credit :p
 
lol, it was in a proposal since 2006 apparently
They're also discussing the return type of findAll
if it's an array, that'd be pretty sweet
 
It'll be an array-like-object, I imagine.
 
remember <template>?
 
yeah
 
unbiased for sure
Maybe if Ubuntu didn't have a shitty UI, more people would use it
 
!!^
 
@AwalGarg say the creators of the distribution that sent search data to amazon >.<
 
*say
 
5:28 PM
@NathanJones that argument is really horrendously silly, TBH. It is just nitpicking of some random pedants from the internet which raised to headlines because extremists is where the world is moving.
 
*extremists are
 
I don't care about local changes
git pull -f
does
how2force pull
aside from just deleting the repo and cloning again
 
http://www.commitstrip.com/en/2015/08/28/murphys-take-on-moores-law/
CommitStrip - Blog relating the daily life of web agencies developers
Murphy’s take on Moore’s Law
CommitStrip
1440782981
 
I usually do a git reset --hard HEAD
 
git checkout <commit>, then pull normally
 
5:30 PM
will reset to previous commit
wait, that's not what you're looking for
nevermind
 
@Feeds uBlock does a wonderful job of making sure things are rendered blazingly fast
 
@SomeKittens chrome still takes 4GB of ram
 
Any idea where I can go to discuss the DOM spec? Like, where do the devs for it hang out?
 
@Feeds I'd personally like to see more websites like motherfuckingwebsite.com and more improvement on battery performance per unit size, instead of adding more and more RAM to the motherboard and adding useless animations and cruft to everything to make it look cool, losing all amounts of accessiblity.
 
5:33 PM
@FlorianMargaine That's a design choice on Chrome's part - they use more RAM to make actual execution faster
but you probably already knew that
 
@Nick I just got the call. Nope, didn't get the house
 
@taco bummer
 
It's okay.
I felt like we were 10K too high anyways. There's just no inventory on the market, so these assholes bid high
@rlemon peer1 when i worked there found SSD's die quicker on our servers with super heavy i/o. nothing scientific though, just interesting
 
Someone else got it? Or you were just denied because they're arseholes?
 
I would think drives with platters would die quicker though, doesn't make sense
@Nick bidding war. No 3beds/3baths right now in the area, so we all went for it. Those people who won the bid are over paying just to get it
 
5:37 PM
Ah, I see
i bet u don't even have 99 problems i bet u have like 92 or 93 stop exaggerating
 
@taco ewwww
 
I don't understand the 99 problems thing. Anyone mind educating me?
 
!!youtube 99 problems but a
 
5:40 PM
we should just stop using PDFs
 
@tereško What do you propose we use instead? HTML5? (serious suggestion)
 
I don't know :(
 
Minified HTML could actually work,
 
@Callum markdown
 
@AwalGarg It's clunky, and doesn't allow for the customization that HTML/CSS does.
 
5:43 PM
@Callum can't watch now, will check out later. thanks
 
You'd just outright ban scripts
 
@Callum customizations are what got us the ton of problems we have with html/css
 
There was also another song, by Ariana Grande - 99 problems without you (video arguably nsfw)
 
w3c replied to one of my tweets; clearly I'm a professional
 
Brendan Eich replied to one of my github comments. Proudest dev moment ever :d
 
5:54 PM
@SimonSarris mentioned me in his book
your move plebs
 
I jokingly proposed naming the gc collection for webassembly from memory heap to garbage pile
 
@rlemon I'm mentioned in the bible, what be your counter for that?
 
I'm santa
 
I'm satan
 
@Callum Simons book is actually useful.
 
5:57 PM
Yeah, it's a really nice book
and he has some awesome tutorials on his site
He's a pretty cool guy and doesn't afraid of anything
 
@rlemon Obviously doesn't touch on where apostrophes should go :p
What's its title? I'll go check it out.
 
HTML5 Unleashed
 
Is F# not using the .NET runtime?
@SomeKittens vsauce?
 
@rlemon I need to finish that, especially given that I'm starting to do more visualizations
@Callum WaitButWhy
 
5:59 PM
Nope, it was not
 
yikes, a good chunk of w3c mailing lists are dead
 
@SomeKittens I'll save it to pocket and read when I get bored, that's quite large.
 
@SomeKittens that's actually false. If moon would be withing Roche limit, it would break apart .. also, it actually is quite large (relative to earth), the planet too would suffer structural damage.
basically, nice video, but not realistic
 
I don't think anyone thought it was realistic for the moon to be in LEO?
 
@SomeKittens it once was tho :D
 
6:03 PM
does anybody know how can I apply chmod on directory instead on file?
 
@Sanja Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room pseudo-rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
 
@Sanja use the -r (or "recursive") flag
 
Buh, why doesn't _.defaultsDeep want to work?
 
The last time that find/findAll were discussed, was 2013. I'm gonna restart that conversation in the mailing list
 
@Nick rebel
 
6:06 PM
I'm gonna be that annoying guy that brings up a dead topic and has no idea what he's talking about
 
user406009
@Nick I found the perfect image for your email
 
I wonder how well a solder sucker would work for pimples?
 
@rlemon report back with findings
 
will do
just need to buy a pizza and rub it on my face
 
6:11 PM
If I can find my solder sucker, I shall test.
For science and shit,
It did fuck-all.
 
what solder sucker you go?
I have one of these
and one of these
 
@rlemon Looks exactly the same (1st),
 
those are the best
 
user406009
@Callum Clojure is the best modern LISP variant.
 
user406009
6:17 PM
And it is sorta cool.
 
I love the idea of s-expressions
 
user406009
Really interesting how minimal a programming language can be and still work well.
 
user406009
Almost like a piece of art.
 
@FlorianMargaine Clojure or CL ??
 
@Lalaland Which one is more commonly used, out of interest?
 
6:18 PM
which is better
 
^^ and that
 
@FlorianMargaine is a big lisper
he'll know for sure
 
@Florian Common-Lisp or Clojure - which is best/most commonly used?
 
jabbascript
 
WAAAAAAAAAAT?
 
user406009
6:20 PM
@Callum Probably depends on the domain. Common Lisp might have more legacy code out there, but Clojure is used more for newer projects.
 
document.querySelectorAll('.vk_ans')
VM96:2 Uncaught ReferenceError: document is not defined
 
wot. u mad bruv?
 
fuck you google.
google search result page
 
@rlemon status-norepro. linky?
 
hrm, seems to work on that new tab
old tab still doesn't work
 
6:22 PM
I can access it just fine. Are you sure you didn't switch to a worker frame in the console?
 
@AwalGarg fuck, I totally did
good call
 
he shoots, he scores!
 
meh
I was going to do a plugin for times
!!time France would return current time in france
but fuckit.
 
what about !!time Canada
 
yea, you would need to specify a more precise location
which is why I'm saying fuckit.
 
6:34 PM
city?
 
Why isn't there a way to close a socket's connection in node? ._.
 
Awww
 
@corvid yes there is?
 
But mooooooooooooooooooom
 
Websocket, or regular request?
 
6:40 PM
12 messages moved to Trash
 
@SomeKittens Regular TCP net.Socket
 
@rlemon I thought you loved me!
 
socket.end?
or destroy
 
@rlemon yeah, but does that fire the close event? My test doesn't seem to say that it's working
 
6:42 PM
Event: 'close'#
had_error Boolean true if the socket had a transmission error
Emitted once the socket is fully closed. The argument had_error is a boolean which says if the socket was closed due to a transmission error.
is the socket ref'd?
because if it is ref'd and active I don't think you can close it with destroy
but I could be wrong. just skimming the docs on it
 
Cylon._commands._connected = false;
Cylon._messages._connected = false;

function setConnectionStatus (socket, event) {
  socket._connected = event === 'connect';
  this._connected = this._messages._connected && this._commands._connected;
}

Cylon._messages.addListener('connect', setConnectionStatus.bind(Cylon, Cylon._messages, 'connect'))
Cylon._messages.addListener('close', setConnectionStatus.bind(Cylon, Cylon._messages, 'close'))
 
I want a pet weasel
 
not sure how to appropriately test it
 
I want a snakesquirrel
 
@Callum that doesn't make me any less lazy
but thanks! :P
 
@rlemon @Callum CL
 
@FlorianMargaine Common Lisp, then?
 
Thanks :)
 
6:52 PM
The only thing I recommend to learn CL ^
Add to that sbcl and quicklisp. They're tools to use.
sbcl is one of the best implementations out there, and quicklisp is the npm of Lisp
 
user406009
But with Clojure you can use existing Java libraries.
 
user406009
Very easily.
 
@Lalaland so can you in CL if that's your thing. abcl is a CL implementation running on the jvm with easy bindings to it.
 
((((((((((lisp))))))))))(((((pls))))(i))
 
7:12 PM
 
@FlorianMargaine That is so fucking accurate...
 
@FlorianMargaine His blog is committing a common yet atrocious crime: The content width is about 1/4th of my screen width.
 
@Zirak it looks fine on mobile. Much finer than another lisper... Hold on
 
> on mobile
My screen is 1920px wide. Why is the content 500px wide.
I removed the header and footer and set the content width to 1000px. Much better.
 
7:19 PM
heh
 
Web Design like that should be illegal, and punishable by not being able to see the colour green.
 
Who's used SocketCluster (or built anything non-trivial with WebSockets?)
 
user406009
Parentheses are fine. The lack of static typing is what I don't like.
 
Lisp is objectively better than Java
 
does a chat count as trivial?
 
7:22 PM
@Nick Max # connections?
 
1
 
yes
 
lol
 
user406009
@SomeKittens You would have to provide a specific lisp version to really compare.
 
user406009
Also, the defects of Clojure and Java are closer in magnitude than the differences between Java and JavaScript.
 
user406009
7:24 PM
JavaScript has many more defects.
 
@Lalaland static typing is doable in Lisp.
 
user406009
Yeah, I know about core.typed. Still not as nice as it being in the language itself.
 
I mean in CL.
And... Macros make it nice :)
That's the point of them: if the language has shortcomings, write them yourself
 
@Lalaland I haven't been around as much lately, so I may be behind, but who are you? All I've seen you do is spew generic opinions without contributing anything other than kindle to an unexisting fire. What's your point in coming here?
 
lisp++
 
7:26 PM
Visual lispscript++
 
@Zirak meh, don't make it an ad hominem
 
@FlorianMargaine This wasn't part of any argument, I'm just curious. He seems to come with a Bartek-y vibe, and lord knows we don't need another.
 
@Lalaland for an example, look at the defn usage: github.com/ralt/dpkg-fs/blob/master/src/fuse.lisp
@Zirak I haven't seen Bartek in a while :(
 
user406009
@Zirak I usually hang around in Lounge<C++>. I started being more in this channel to talk to rlemon about the various chat.stackoverflow extensions. I occasionally answer various JavaScript questions.
 
Visual JavaSharpScriptKitLang++
 
user406009
7:29 PM
Sometimes, I do admit I get a little argumentative, but you can look at my chat history if you want.
 
!!s/ja/dja/
 
@Callum djabbascript (source)
 
dafuq did you get that from.
 
maybe you should mind your letter cases
pleb
 
pleb++
 
7:31 PM
Well, it sure went pretty far to get that.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum, @Mosho Have you ever tried cycle? It seems...weird.
 
Hi guys how are you, I aksed a question like 10 minutes ago and I really need help, here is the post if someone could do something for me : stackoverflow.com/questions/32278409/…
 
pls
 
please I will be more than grateful!
 
I'm newbing slightly here, how do I smack Arch into working from this
Trying to run makepkg, but apparently I don't have permission to do so in this folder.
It worked in another, same level
 
7:39 PM
It's yaourt
And you'll need to adjust the permissions
 
user406009
@Callum Have you tried changing the permissions of that directory?
 
user406009
chown and chmod are the correct tools IIRC.
 
@copy I'm aware,
and no, I've not tried changing permissions
 
chown callum /home/callum/yaorut
 
@Callum are you watching livecoding right now?
 
7:45 PM
@rlemon Nope, why?
 
just saw "callum" on the chat users name there
you are the only callum I've ever met
so just curious. would have been neat to randomly find you elsewhere
 
I do have an account there, but I believe it is my full-ish name.
 
callum hangs around on my little pony forums; you can find him there
 
I really like the ones where the ponies prance around like ponies. Oh, wait...
 
@Zirak who puts Kindles in a fire? They're terrible at burning, unlike small pets.
@rlemon weren't you working with websockets?
 
8:04 PM
yes sir
 
awesome, finally subscribed to the w3c webapps mailing list. It's a process and a half
 
@rlemon what'd you use? How'd scaling go?
 
max connections was like 200
so scaling wasn't really an issue
and I used socket.io
!!afk ugh
 
@rlemon max you had or max you could handle?
 
8:25 PM
@Nick Did you try asking them nicely?
 
@rlemon 200 concurrent connections is scaling
 
@FlorianMargaine rlemon is afk: ugh
 
rlemon's using helpful afk messages, I see.
 
8:59 PM
Yup
 

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