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6:01 PM
// TODO: be evil
 
crl
//TODO: handle TODOS
 
//TODONE: fuck it
 
// TODO: remove TODOs, aint nobody got time for dat shit
 
// TODO: HOW TO DO TODO
 
We use // REVIEW
We currently have over 100
 
6:02 PM
@ivarni TOAD ONE: The Heroic Story of Our Amphibious President
 
Does anyone that uses an issue tracker still use todos?
 
> Mr. President, your tadpoles are here
 
@NathanJones We don't use an issue tracker
 
@KendallFrey wat
 
kind of
We don't use an issue tracker for issue tracking
We use an ERP system
 
6:05 PM
because your code doesn't have issues?
 
It has issues, trust me.
We use "Agile"
 
!! Urban agile
 
@JanDvorak agile (verb) To work on something when you don't understand the problem space, the market, the actual goal of the product or really any engineering at all.
4
 
My code doesn't have issues, my colleagues' code does
 
6:06 PM
^
 
agile is how I work
 
@ʞɔᴉN jailbreak just finished with no issues :) securing cydia now so that my ssh isn't exploited
 
Who am I kidding, I'm the worst offender
 
My colleagues' code doesn't have issues, it is the issue.
 
is it just me or is Windows 10 sloooow?
 
6:08 PM
The download is
From what I've heard
Haven't tried myself
 
woo got an email from myself
 
everything is installed and running, but there just seems to be a bitter lag to any of the apps
I'm just gonna do a fresh install
 
That's my experience without win 10
 
@Shea super fast here.
 
well I just hope I don't have any license issues after a clean install
 
6:11 PM
In my case it's because of low ram
 
I suspect I might have some driver issues, and too much crap
said laptop has 8gb, and the photos app still managed to take up about 40%
 
Too much crap is also a great way to kill your new smartphone
 
I kinda got lazy with keeping it tidy in 8.1
so surely it's just me
probably some first use database/indexing thing
 
@JanDvorak you mean RPMs
you have plenty of RAM, it's just not spinning fast enough
take it out of your computer and just tape it to a desk fan for a few minutes, to shake up the memory and get it working again
 
I'd rather not have my RAM spinning at all
 
6:17 PM
it needs to spin occasionally to keep the memory flowing
 
anyone liking windows 10? i'm considering taking the plunge when i get home friday
 
I do like Windows 10, I'm just not personally having the best upgrade experience
then again, I guess that's what I get for cutting in line during the rollout
 
i like it nathan
 
@zack Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room pseudo-rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
 
@NathanJones yea it is nice
I moved from 7->10
 
6:21 PM
@rlemon How'd that go? That'll be me with my next laptop
 
downloaded the ISO
installed from USB
 
how is the 8.1->10 upgrade
 
Did you have any issues with activation/licensing?
 
If you have win 8.1, upgrade immediately
 
That's what I wanted to do from the start, but I was under the impression you had to upgrade first, for extra legit sauce
 
6:23 PM
haha, it's not as terrible as everyone says
it's faster than 7 for me
 
crl
!!s/win/an official win/
 
@crl If you have an official win 8.1, upgrade immediately (source)
 
crl
seems like I can't from my hacked version
 
i read an article saying that on win10 things like photoshop can end up grabbing all the system resources and freezing the os, have you had any perf issues like that?
 
Maybe, but it's a low in Microsoft's high-low tendency in operating systems
 
6:25 PM
I'm at 8.1 at my work PC and OSX on my laptop, but I'm moving to 10 on my new laptop which I'm getting in 3 weeks.
 
@Shea sorry, I "upgraded" from the ISO
so just installed over 7
seems to be working fine
 
I forgot to upgrade my windows yesterday. I don't use my tower every day
 
@JanDvorak win 8.1 is the shit
 
oh okay gotcha
 
!!s/the//
 
6:27 PM
@JanDvorak That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.
 
actually I grew to like Windows 8, after the 8.1 update that is
 
@JanDvorak @JanDvorak win 8.1 is shit (source)
 
I just installed Classic Shell to bring the Windows 7 start menu back, and it was great imo.
 
is it true updates are mandatory on windows 10
 
6:28 PM
Come to think of it, I haven't gotten any yet
 
there was a day1 1gig update
but I took that while installing
 
@DanieClawson business can opt out (so there is a way for everyone to), but yea, by default it's mandatory.
 
That seems dangerous
 
I think this is good. People shouldn't be using out-of-date OSes.
Yea, i see that.
 
I guess it just came with it slipstreamed by the time I got to it
 
6:31 PM
But so are those people that just never let thier shit update and fix dangerous vulnerabilities
 
Raising the bar to opt out of updates is probably good
 
I forgot how to terminology for a moment
 
Businesses already have domain servers to control updates, so they won't be affected
 
right.
WSUS or whatever MS is calling it this week
 
@ssube I have very weak internet, there's no way in hell I'm auto updating
 
6:33 PM
Unfortunately, grandparents only account for a few of the IE users, while businesses cause most of them :(
@ʞɔᴉN your internet will be worse when your computer joins a botnet because you haven't updated
 
lol "joins a botnet" ... "fuck this guy, Im getting a new job"
 
little action on the side
 
it's gonna put its power strip and case in a little bindle and train hop until it finds a botnet to join
 
@ssube it would be pretty obvious in that case
i have to watch my transfer rate constantly
 
@ʞɔᴉN even though updates come on Tuesday at whatever time?
 
6:35 PM
nothing like lagging up in the middle of a CS comp match because someone in the house loaded a web page
 
my pc joined ISIS
 
racist
 
er
 
Any idea how to add 'www' to the URL that is running on Python SimpleHTTPServer?
 
6:36 PM
return function foo(a,b) {}
there is no way to do this with arrows unless I define the fn first correct?
 
return (a, b) => { }
 
@RahulDesai I've never used that server software, but I believe that'll be a DNS setting?
 
@Luggage needs a name
 
then no arrows at all, I think
 
return foo () {} ?
nope
looks like I'll have to define it
 
6:38 PM
let foo = () => {
  return bar = () => {

  }
}
 
No, has to be named.
 
let foo = () => {}
return foo;
@BenFortune that doesn't work
 
I have an announcement, "Your USB flash drive is ready."
 
bar is global
 
Yeah, apparently let names the function, also object literals it's funny - it's the new way to name a function.
 
6:38 PM
Ah
 
I way more excited for this than I should be
 
ohh, let names? nice.
 
Uncaught TypeError: node.childNodes[Symbol.iterator] is not a functionrecurse @ (index):32window.onload @ (index):61
what?
 
why do you hate using variables all the time? They can make code more readable.
 
I thought I could use for...of on nodeLists?
 
6:40 PM
no need evrything must be one big expression
 
@Luggage because when a function returns a function it is nice to just write return function foo() {} in es5
so I was trying to carry that over to es6
 
@Luggage it's Functional
 
Func that
 
I didn't know return function foo() {}; is no longer allowed.
 
@BenFortune nice you like it?
also did you install win 10 yet?
 
6:42 PM
@Loktar Yes and yes :)
 
can you force a chrome update?
 
Was playing FF7 on it earlier
 
I'm still on 44
 
44 is latest isn't it? Or are you on a beta channel?
 
Array.from lands in chrome 45 according to MDN
 
which reminds me.... for some reason I couldn't uninstall Chrome at all after the Windows 10 upgrade
 
yikes
 
Windows 10: mandatory updates and chrome
 
why would you uninstall chrome?
 
sounds awesome.
 
6:45 PM
@BenFortune dammit chrome
I want es6 now!
 
for some dumb reason I had the 64-bit version, and wanted to reinstall with the 32-bit
 
coughs es2015
 
is this for chrome-only code?
 
no but without the polyfills I can't use babel output proper
 
because otherwise... babel that shit up.
 
6:46 PM
Array stuff is mostly missing in chrome
 
ohh, yea. I noticed a missing Array.prototype.find()
 
.fill .of .from
all missing as far as I can tell
 
Chrome 44 on Win 7 is telling me to relaunch for update
 
I need to find a good polyfil for them. I am also surprised babel doesn't.
I thought that was part of the point.
 
@rlemon You can get browser polyfills from cdnjs.com/libraries/babel-core
 
6:47 PM
yeah.fill is missing :(
I've wanted to use it in a few pens
 
and now it's up to date with 44.0.2403.125
 
man i tried to do some es6 experiments using babel and was immediately stopped by error msgs way over my head codepen.io/cl4ws0n/pen/eNLZPX
 
1 min ago, by rlemon
no but without the polyfills I can't use babel output proper
 
I like babel, but it does some odd things. It's far from perfect.
 
Oh, misread :D
 
6:48 PM
@DanieClawson you've got recursion
 
@Loktar I'm trying to be all es6'y but this missing stuff is a pita
 
@ssube yea i dont understand where tho
 
@rlemon that's why I use webpack even on the server. It bundles up the babel polyfills, among other things.
 
even in the compiled code it doesnt look recursive to me
 
i don't think babel HAS polyfills for those
babel-runtime doesn't. That's what I use
 
maybe it's just babel-runtime..
that page clearly says that .find() is there
 
@DanieClawson get x() { return this.x + '!'; }
turns into something like Foo.prototype.getX = function () { return this.getX() + '!'; }
 
oh god
okay
 
and the runtme docs SAY it includes core.js automatically..
 
Should I worry about putting all my files in the same disk as the operating system? It makes things so much easier.
 
6:51 PM
somethign doesn't add up. I'll update and check all my configs
 
when you have a getter/setter, the underlying property needs a different name, like get x { return this._x; }
 
@rlemon probably a dumb question, but have you tried
 
I tried using flowtype the other day. It doesn't support ES6 let or properties.. so.. no go there.
 
WHAT HAVE YOU TRIED, ROBERT!??
 
chrome://flags/#enable-javascript-harmony
 
6:53 PM
it's a shame because babel supports (strips from output) flowtype annotations.
 
Any idea why $all = $($checkboxArray[2] + " input[id$='" + $checkboxArray[1] + "']").length; would return 0, despite the ids all ending in the correct string?
I should note that the function is in an external javascript file.
 
@Trasiva timing? Escaping?
 
@ssube Oh. Thats...counter intuitive for some reason. Is that across es6 or just in babel?
 
Also, an array is a poor substitute for an anonymous class, especially in languages that does have anonymous classes
 
@JanDvorak I don't think so, I have a call later that seems to work just fine: $('th input:checkbox[name*="' + $checkboxArray[0] + '"]', $checkboxArray[3]).prop('checked', 'checked');
 
6:56 PM
it should be all of es6, for the same reason you can't have a property and a function with the same name. (on the same object)
 
@Trasiva ew
 
@DanieClawson that's everywhere, since ES4 or 5
 
@JanDvorak ?
 
getters are not new in ES6
 
ohh, right, the new syntax for using them just makes them a lot more likely to be used.
I never bothered with defineProperty before.
 
6:57 PM
OH DUH >_< I was thinking of it like in the same way as overloading an operator
 
@Trasiva string concatenation in selectors is ugly; worse, prop("checked" should be true or false
also,
2 mins ago, by Jan Dvorak
Also, an array is a poor substitute for an anonymous class, especially in languages that does have anonymous classes
 
@JanDvorak Don't be too harsh, I'm learning this all by the seat of my pants, haha. You recommending that I change the selector to a string with all the concatenations done there instead?
 
@Shea doesn't work
 

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