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6:00 AM
where?
 
@Anand Nope, this is just a prerecorded stream
 
@Mr_Green wears sunglasses and grabs popcorn
 
How did I reply to you then? Well, we knew you would ask.
 
@Gideon I don't get these jokes as I am not so damn addicted to chats.. nobodys fault
 
> every modern language (e.g. Ruby, CoffeeScript)
 
6:03 AM
hmmm. lisp? Haskell?
Java 8???
 
css rocks!!
 
dot com
 
@ivarni because I like to mov it
@Mr_Green CSS is not a programming language.
 
just tell me you like the signed extend instruction...
 
programming languages will change time to time but not css
 
6:05 AM
@AwalGarg define a programming language
 
yeah in a way it is.. anyway I love it
 
hey, it's just his all time favourite ! he didn't specify: language...
 
Seems cssrocks.com is up on sale for the small sum of $2595
 
buy, buy it all
 
how about html5rocks.com?
 
user406009
6:06 AM
Doesn't CSS now have calc in it? You could probably do arbitrary programming with that.
 
I am willing to own it if someone is ready to gift me
 
@JanDvorak given a set of instructions, a corresponding compiler or an interpreter returns deterministic output and does deterministic work of deterministic amount. the specification to which such a compiler/interpreter conforms shall be it.
 
@AwalGarg then CSS applies
 
They're charging even more for csskills.com... hugedomains.com/domain_search.cfm?domain_name=Css%20Rocks
 
css cocks
 
6:08 AM
@JanDvorak hahahahahahaha... no.
 
so is that "css kills" or "cs skills"? We'll never know
 
@Lalaland definitely yes
we can also write expressions using css
but it is not recommended
 
!!google css game
 
only in old IE, which is non standard.
 
6:09 AM
 
A programming language should be able to do something itself in isolation. CSS styles markup renderings. It is not a programming language.
 
then neither is Javascript
 
I can make a JS interpreter do a ton of stuff for me without any embedding in between.
It comes with reasonable data structures, functions, proper arithmetic etc. All this is a gold.
 
sure you need I/O to be able to tell your language is doing something
 
@JanDvorak Alright :)
 
6:11 AM
@AwalGarg Brainfuck has none of these three
 
it seems in most cases javascript is faster than css when it comes to 2d animations
 
BF is esoteric
 
but still a programming language
 
@JanDvorak interpreter provides shell access which is I/O bound.
 
@AwalGarg hence, CSS
 
6:13 AM
CSS is absolutely dead without something to be applied at
 
same for anything
 
JS can be used as standalone code
 
define "standalone code"
 
JS depends directly on the interpreter, CSS needs to be used on something first, be it HTML, SVG, etc.
 
^
there is no interpreter/compiler for CSS which can take only CSS input and do something with it.
 
6:15 AM
but... that would be nice..
let's make one
 
Haskell doesn't do anything by itself either until you ask for its output
 
@AwalGarg do you mean sass or less?
 
however, CSS is a language, just not a programming one (yet)
@JanDvorak Haskell's wise
 
we can make it like programming by using sass or less or other compilers
 
@Mr_Green no?
 
6:17 AM
@Mr_Green css is damn well defined!
 
Haskell works by comiling a complex I/O action and applying it against the real world. CSS works by compiling a style transformation and applying it against the document object model.
 
@CSᵠ AFAIK, without making serious amendments to the CSS specification (assuming there is a consistent one), it is not possible right now.
 
@CSᵠ true check on example codepen.io/web-tiki/pen/vOBJXy
 
@JanDvorak then ask
 
for a standalone interpreter we should ponder on how to use it without html mainly
@Mr_Green i don't get it, but just to be clear defined!=implemented
 
6:19 AM
 
@Mr_Green all of your examples are still using dom elements. so they are invalid.
 
@Mr_Green nice!
 
@AwalGarg I didn't get you.
css will use HTML elements but not DOM elements AFAIK
 
!!define DOM
 
@CSᵠ DOM The ISO 3166-1 three-letter (alpha-3) code for the Dominican Republic
 
6:22 AM
she broke
 
html elements are mapped to dom tree
 
morning
 
@AwalGarg it is for javascript not for css
 
@Mr_Green sure CSS uses a DOM. It doesn't style the hypertext markup language.
 
6:26 AM
@Mr_Green but the selector engine will still have to select elements from a tree. that tree is the DOM tree.
 
so much intelligence on the stared list >>
 
DT / DOM
 
there is the CSS Object Model as well btw @Mr_Green
dev.w3.org/csswg/cssom this is the working draft.
 
You cannot star your own messages :(
 
that would be pretty stupid
is there a limit on how many messages you can star, per, say, 10 minutes?
 
6:30 AM
@JanDvorak I love his channel
 
there is one per day, somewhere near 30
 
Liking your own stuff is like high-fiving yourself.
 
stop
 
HAMMERTIME!
 
that was a big lag
 
6:31 AM
Maybe she's tired?
 
@AwalGarg nice
 
Maybe she's on a beach-chair in the bahamas with poor wifi?
 
@JanDvorak yeah now I understand
somehow I have false statements about many topics in my brain for more than one year and hell they worked
 
@CapricaSix whatcha say we goto dinner tonight, just the 2 of us, candlelight, some tasty WD-40 for you?
 
@Gemtastic liking is like licking your .. :P
I saw this meme recently
 
6:33 AM
I've only seen the high-fiving one.
 
Can someone clean up the star queue? Lots of crap in it right now :/
 
there is
 
Someone thought CSS was a programming language O.o
 
One more complaint against the star wall... ended up on the star wall. Including the word "crap".
 
I can agree to that writing CSS is still coding, but it's not programming...
 
6:36 AM
someone is trolling here
 
Ya don't say
 
Beware! People starring unnecessary things may result in SO making a list "who else starred this?" á la facebook.
 
@Gemtastic isn't that info still in the websocket?
 
126
Q: Why does it matter that HTML and CSS are not programming languages?

Robert HarveyExample here: What languages should I know if I'm interested in building web applications ? Yes, I understand that HTML and CSS are not Turing-complete. Yes, I understand that they are declarative, not imperative languages. But why are people always clubbed over the head with this pedantic (a...

 
pops up the debugger
 
6:38 AM
has anyone ever read/heard/listen to/something audiobooks?
 
@JanDvorak I haven't had the time to look at it tbh but if it is, even I could make that happen for easy moderation
 
I'm curious about it
 
@afonsomatos radiolab.org
 
I don't like audio books; I can't concentrate on them. I just start multitasking and forget all about it
 
One nice thing is to listen to a book while reading it at the same time.
 
6:40 AM
I know a lot of people doing that...
I narrate books myself when I read...
 
@JanDvorak did you clear the stars? you missed a few messages :P the working draft and the 3 above it
 
I'm leaving the ironic messages there. If any other RO wants to unstar that... be my co-host
 
hello guys, I am trying key combination in JS. But its not happening plz help.
 
@Amit Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room pseudo-rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
 
trying what in JS?
 
6:43 AM
@Amit is it locked or what?
 
how can i share my code here?
 
someone help me
I am trying to load and launch google apps via the command --load-and-launch-app
 
@Amit so what is the problem?
 
6:48 AM
But it can't find the folder, it sends an error No manifest file
I am doing google-chrome --load-and-launch-app=~/Desktop/chrome-app
 
@AwalGarg It is not working
 
@Amit how is it not working? errors in the console? not showing the alert?
note that keyup happens after default actions are fired
 
derp, turns out it doesn't handle relative paths
 
7:02 AM
Any non-vegetarian indians around? scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/… /cc @y'all
 
^ can I view that in office? (no jokes pls)
 
no.
 
thanks
 
ofc, it's sfw.
 
meh
 
7:04 AM
sfw?
 
sfw = safe for work
 
but you said no?
 
he's just trolling
 
well, maybe not really
 
I can't say who is bullying me here.. until I see that link. but can't take risk
 
7:07 AM
That's just an image...
 
@uselesschien what's with that *** advertising?
 
@CSᵠ *** advertising?
 
exactly
 
That's PS, CS.
 
PS?
 
7:09 AM
Why does javascript make references with arrays?
 
CS?
 
CS, you. PS, photoshop.
 
counter strike
 
@Manzik Because they are objects. And objects are passed by reference,
 
@uselesschien tnx
 
7:13 AM
Firefox 41 will use less memory when running AdBlock Plus <- this is interesting (and raises questions...)
 
i just love how ff and chrom play together
 
One process / tab is coming to FF. Or... has it, already?
 
Not yet in stable channel at least, but should be coming.
 
7:26 AM
It is in Aurora for a long while. Really increases performance.
 
@uselesschien yes i am here a non-vegetarian indian.... ha ha ha
@AwalGarg is this possible to combine two keys in javascript without using the key code? Like, I want "alt+f" it will display an alert.for this i have to use the altkey and and the keycode for f is 70.But is this possible to do this without using keycode?using only the key letter?
 
@FastSnail What a beauty.
 
Try about:config, browset.tabs.remote = true (FF)
 
@Amit yes. But it is messy. There are a lot of factors that play in here. The keypress event sends keyCode as the <key>.charCodeAt() value, but keypress happens later to even keyup, so you lose any chances of preventing defaults.
I did some stuff in here: github.com/awalGarg/especser/blob/master/src/mod/shortcuts.js to make it a bit modular.
 
@AwalGarg Actualy the problem is the web app i am developing there i need to use some key combinations , the keys I am fetching from sql DB. And in DB i have only key letters. So i can not use key codes.
 
7:34 AM
@Amit it really boils down to the exact combination you want and whether you want to hijack the default action with it or not.
if, for instance, you only want to register a listener for F (no ctrl/alt/whatever), you don't need a keycode.
 
@Loktar lol, yeah
 
Morning
 
morning baby
 
@Neoares Morning, baby
 
@Neoares morning baby
 
7:43 AM
:o
 
:o
 
:o
 
:o
 
7:45 AM
:0
 
small doubt in anjular js. can I use $(this) in the click event. I did not include jquery
 
There's always that one guy.
 
@strikers absolute ...
 
who
 
you, the combobreaker
 
7:49 AM
@AwalGarg so $(this).addClass('activeClass') should work fine right, because it uses jqLite
 
striking combo breaker
 
@strikers Don't use jQuery when you use AngularJS. :|
Oh, wait, the jQ thing Angular provides? Good. So what's the problem?
 
!!> jQuery
 
@Neoares "ReferenceError: jQuery is not defined"
 
I learnt C on this ^
 
8:06 AM
w3schools definition of javascript events (no joke): HTML events are "things" that happen to HTML elements.
 
ppfft
 
should that mean physical things ?
 
@Neoares @FastSnail was the combo breaker
 
> W3Schools was originally created in 1998, by Refsnes Data, a Norwegian software development and consulting company.
that explains
 
8:09 AM
separates w3schools' body from their head with a physical "thing". Quite an event
 
they were really a good thing then
 
kek
 
lol =
> Buy a T-Shirt, Asshole!
 
@uselesschien I like how "HTML/CSS" is included in the list of programming languages on that site.
 
8:15 AM
@AwalGarg lol
 
not again
 
It's still programming. Kind of.
 
Nuh-uh
 
Don't you hate it when you go out of your way to help someone and they mark you down for it?
 
@CSᵠ it's too late
 
8:16 AM
> Customer collaboration = Bleeding clients dry
 
true
 
@Neil o/
 
@JanDvorak they need a spanner, sell 'em a toolbox!
 
@AwalGarg \o
 
8:19 AM
stalker
 
Oh god, he is liking every post of mine. Literally.
 
@GNi33 what charity you gf raising money for? spoke to the wife last night, if its one we vaguely support, we'll throw some wonga her way
 
@uselesschien wow u so popular dude where 2 folow u??!plz
 
@DrogoNevets the list is on the website iirc
 
@uselesschien put something really controversial up, he'll like it, and then ask him why he wants to beat kittens with salmon!
 
ah shit
 
@FlorianMargaine which one? mongul rally? I don't know who his otherhalf is
 
@uselesschien solution: don't use facebook
 
rebecca
 
doesn't work on me
 
8:21 AM
fuck it's wednesday
 
@uselesschien not appropriate !!!
 
@DrogoNevets no, he gave a link to the team's website
 
I am going to write a chrome extension to stop rebecca videos from playing
 
@FlorianMargaine did he give it to me? was i really rubbish and not notice :S
goes back in time to look
 
@afonsomatos lol
 
8:22 AM
I gotta get the rickbuster userscript...
 
21 hours ago, by GNi33
http://www.mylefttyre.org/en <-- if you're interested about their team
 
thank you!
 
!!afk
 
@FlorianMargaine he done good on the gf stakes thats for sure! :P
sorted
 
8:37 AM
@DrogoNevets they are raising money for two charities. The child cancer association of Austria (sorry, not sure if this is the actual name) and Autism Ireland, a charity that supports families in Ireland with kids that suffer from autism
 
8:50 AM
What should I use to debug my app? I am currently just console.logging my variables and results.
 
use the source tab and put a breakpoint
 
whu
oh got it
 
is there a cleaner way to deal with lines 2, 3, and 4 here?
 
@AaronHarding args.concat([channel, user, message]);
 
args.push(channel, user, message)
 
8:57 AM
@JanDvorak ah okay!
 
@AwalGarg "Awesome"
 
@MadaraUchiha AwalGarg is afk.
 
@Neil just updated the pastebin, do you mean like that?
 
@GNi33 florian pointed me to the site, and I donated a little (is a weird amount because of CX) but donated none the less :)
 
@AaronHarding concat doesn't modify the array
 
8:58 AM
@AaronHarding yeah, that's one way of going about it
 
@Neil yeah, this works. a lot cleaner. thanks!
 
@uselesschien oh, maybe you're right
@AaronHarding concat just returns the new array, so it would have to be more like return callback.apply(this, args.concat[channel, user, message]);
 

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