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8:00 PM
s/might be/probably am/
 
@rlemon you are, you have stats to prove it
 
@JoeSaad Fix it slowly but surely. Look into source control software, then into integration software and stuff like that. Even just VC (version control) makes your life soooo much better.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum shhhh
I prefer to leave an air of mystery
 
Then quit farting.
 
but seriously...
@flexo why was my comment purged?
 
8:01 PM
@rlemon what comment?
 
I don't wanna re-add it if there is a reason. if it was just a 'purge all' then I'll re-add it
 
@Zirak we are going to do this eventually and slowly but in the mean time i wanted to do that with html parsers
thanks
 
1 min ago, by rlemon
> this code is very unreadable.
I commented on the ternary post
and downvoted it
that is why
 
that code is very unreadable. — rlemon 16 mins ago
It's still here
 
do they know what a ternary operation does
 
8:02 PM
You just refreshed it does it
 
@JoeSaad Seriously, do it. Don't just say it. Do it. Good luck.
 
@Zirak ??
ok
 
So uh, where's the sandbox room again? It seems the links on the 'rules' are all broken and point to the same page.
 
/rooms/1
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum ohh snap stackoverflow.com/questions/28107460/… I was looking here
 
8:03 PM
ah
 
my bad
 
Right... but the rules are somehow.. well bork'd.
 
I wish I was rlemon
 
@Codingale good thing they are open source and public
anyone can PR a fix
;)
 
Ah, has it been that way for long?
 
8:05 PM
AAAAND that is the only comment I will leave
back to work
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum, @rlemon, @AwalGarg (and everyone else who cares): Updated the suggestions list with your input. gist.github.com/Zirak/4984d084e048cf1c6ce4
Tell me if I forgot something
 
injected css
unless I'm missing that
 
Elements, second item
 
yea I just saw it
 
n00b
 
8:07 PM
you forgot emulation refresh
testing desktop -> mobile needs a refresh for the layout to take
 
I'm not sure how fixable that is. Never actually had that problem with the browser itself - pages sometimes act wonky to the resolution change, or don't at all.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum How did you import the previous comments into the chat room with that answerer?
 
@Retsam : simply put in the link only
 
import comments? You mean copy/pasting the link to a comment and having it onebox?
 
@Zirak ^^
incase we were not on the same page.
 
8:10 PM
That's not browserside; you can't spoof the UA of a request which was already sent.
You can't make the page act as if you visited it with mobile some minutes ago.
 
@NickDugger No; Benj was having a back-and-forth with another user in the comments on a answer, then he opened a one-on-one room with the person, and all of their comments were in the room as messages.
 
@Retsam Oh, no idea there
 
@Zirak but you should be able too
fixitfixitfixit
 
@rlemon Right after I install this death ray on the moon
 
kill me first
 
8:12 PM
eta on death ray plz?
 
6-8 weeks
 
$('<ray type="death" />').appendTo('#moon');
 
repo sauce plz?
 
okay, now work on the console.
 
BUG: Only allows one moon
 
8:13 PM
xD
bc fuck neptune
 
Hey they improved WS frame view
 
jQuery.deathRay = function() { delete window.window }
 
Death rays on the moon?!
 
My point's obsolete now, @rlemon I blame you
 
fuck, I have to pay taxes.
almost forgot
 
8:15 PM
Reminds me of that one xkcd...
 
That's not important now, rlemon. You made me look a fool.
 
@Zirak there is only one moon
 
!!xkcd retroreflectors
 
Oh cool it found it
 
8:16 PM
@rlemon You're the moon of my heart
 
It's generally pretty good at finding comics... or rather google is.
 
I make your lakes move?
 
All swish swash inside me
 
That's an interesting analogy.
 
Bananas are awesome
 
8:17 PM
hey now
 
I seen that!
 
@Zirak just don't eat too many at once
 
Doesn't the bot remove the image after a minute or two?
 
90 seconds
 
It did
 
8:18 PM
factor-tech.com/feature/so-you-want-to-be-a-drone-pilot this is exactly what the Terminators need.. thanks Skynet >=(
 
It leaves a link though, to the image..
 
it just unoneboxes it
 
@MadaraUchiha I'm dying. "Not because you're rabbit, but because you're black"
 
mostly so gifs don't get annoying
 
change your apartment, change the world
 
user1596138
8:20 PM
@rlemon hey I made a scraper for stars
 
user1596138
It lets you search on the normal search page
 
email it too me so I can scrape your scraper
 
Why are all you guys lurking at my discussion with that dude -_-
 
because it is interesting
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum because ternaries are serious business
 
8:21 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum I for once originally wanted to back you up
 
Ooh, I wanna lurk too!
 
user1596138
Hold on lemme rememberhow to userscirptify
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I like trains
 
8:21 PM
I've been good at that lately
 
also, how in the fuck can anyone claim this is readable and not full of hacks.
 
But then I read some of that and went all "NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE"
 
!_dfd.active
                                  ? !!fn
                                    ? fn instanceof Promise
                                      ? fn
                                      : fn instanceof Function
                                        ? fn.call(_dfd)
                                        : Promise.resolve(fn)
                                    : _dfd.active = true && _dfd.promise
                                  : _dfd.promise.then(function (deferred) {
                                      return deferred
 
O.O
 
^ SEEEE
even ryan lost his lunch
 
8:21 PM
Yeah, I think you have the patience of saint... but you're wasting your time there.
 
user1596138
It's on your GH probably
 
@NickDugger y u talk in that room :/
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum sry pls
 
@Jhawins rob.lemon@gmail
 
8:22 PM
That guy talks about "homogeny of interpretation"... but what he really means is "nobody should be allowed to criticize my code, if it works".
 
> just because it works doesn't make it code we want to perpetuate to the community. – rlemon 17 mins ago
 
He used the words "homogeny of interpretation"?
 
@Zirak more than once
but it appears english is not a first language
 
Bitch a roonie doonie, that's some high-class self importance
 
lol
New resolution: use the phrase "bitch a roonie doonie" more often
 
8:24 PM
@rlemon what the hell is this supposed to shim?
 
One thing that amuses me about language (or at least English) is that someone who doesn't know the language very well is far more likely to use a word like "homogeny" than someone who does...
... and that someone who does know the language well is far more likely to use a phrase like "bitch a roonie doonie" than someone who doesn't.
 
are svg user units always 90 units / inch or is there a way to adjust it?
 
@ssube can't tell you because the code is not readable and I'm not taking the time to walk through it.
 
also, this bit ? !!fn ? fn instanceof Promise ? fn: if fn is truthy and fn is a promise and fn is truthy...
 
Big words impress small people.
 
8:25 PM
@Luggage the zoom functionality of your browser
 
@Retsam Because I'm talking to internet strangers in a chatroom. One articulates differently to match the medium.
 
@SomeKittens and big people only need small words
 
this is xsl:fo, actually
 
Also, "bitch a roonie doonie" is really fun to say
 
8:26 PM
the spec makes it sound like it's hard-coded at 90, but i was hoping i was missing something
 
@Zirak reminds me of Mickey Rooney
 
@rlemon that movie sucked
I was so disappointed
 
I had no expectations, so it was okay
 
I didn't believe it could actually be as bad as everyone said, so one of my housemates and I theoretically became intoxicated and watched it
still not funny :(
 
8:28 PM
you know what movie is great sober and like ten times funnier drunk?
Army of Darkness
 
Finding Nemo
 
user1596138
Ok sorry I had to finish the "who" part
 
I just discovered the most awesome perk of my office
 
I posted a shitty Java answer a few days ago just to get a feel for the tag - can anyone tell me why it was downvoted?
 
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@rlemon try this try this. Don't complain about it either xD gist.github.com/Jhawins/84904f5db494640db2c9
 
8:29 PM
@Jhawins I just forked you
 
user1596138
Run it, wait for "search ready" in the console and then use the search like normal on chat.stackoverflow.com/search?room=17
 
user1596138
Oh wait wait wait! length is wrong from testing up at the top
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum remember our (I say our because you assisted in the demo) button click HTML answer
 
user1596138
*fixed
 
got its first dv today
seemed very out of the blue
 
8:30 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum neither answer is good. They shouldn't be mutating a parameter, just copying the map and putting into that.
 
@rlemon where?
@ssube I suggested that as an alternative
 
user1596138
Dude it's all fuckin broken
 
Map never guarantees that put will succeed, so nothing is being violated.
 
user1596138
Idk I got excited lol
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Because you're ranting about the language and blaming OP
 
8:31 PM
I'm not blaming OP, I'm blaming the language. I do that on JS answers all the time.
 
The former is okay in my opinion, but some people might not take it well
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I see how the last sentence could say that, but that isn't how I read it at all the first couple times.
 
> this is you paying for it
 
user1596138
I forgot... There are 105 pages to gather from
 
@copy for the language's fault
 
8:31 PM
"return a new ImmutableMap" sounds like they're returning a map at all
 
user1596138
I was only testing on 2 lol. So yeah keep it small but it worked. Good way to get SE mad about DOS too
 
"copy the incoming map" makes far more sense on that line
 
I really have a hard time understanding this person stackoverflow.com/questions/28107460/…
cc @BenjaminGruenbaum
what does he/she mean by that?
that there is no community?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum this is you paying for it (using a stupid language like Java)
 
communities are like spoons: sometimes you run out and sometimes you realize they never existed and sometimes they come out of the goddamn dishwasher covered in fucking rice
 
8:32 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum here
> @rlemon "we" "want" "the community" ? – guest271314 3 mins ago
 
@rlemon that's definitely a revenge db
 
user1596138
@rlemon I forgot I was on the stars page and so I have no way to reliably know the amount of pages.... But anyway you got the idea lol. Just store the database somewhere instead of having it gather it every time. There is no way to see more than 200 at a time so too bad
 
I seriously don't understand what he is getting at
@Jhawins kk thanks. I'll look it over tonight
 
@copy I can see why it'd sound like that - thanks.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I figured. :P just sucks to have a -1 on that, I was really enjoying a perfect no downvote answer
 
8:34 PM
@rlemon those are rare.
 
indeed they are
 
this one still is safe... for now.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Also, lol Java
Great type system, might as well use C
 
@copy hindsight is always 20/20 :)
Actually, allowing to specify that a method is only for const things (like in C++) could really help and can be introduced in hindsight, wonder if they'll do it at some point.
 
8:37 PM
wrath dv's gets filtered out i think ...
 
Scala for example separates Map and mutable.Map as two different collections.
 
Probably not. It would be useful.
 
also, @BenjaminGruenbaum gave you a +1 for the fun
 
user1596138
Say I have a massive JS object and I need to copy/paste it..
 
Scala also tries to use any memory it suspects may exist.
 
8:38 PM
@KarelG thanks I guess? I don't really care about tag score or anything I was capped on that anyway.
 
send it or just ignore it all and move on ??
 
@Jhawins As in, save in text form?
 
OP seems to just wanna be argumentative
 
@rlemon Move on
 
user1596138
Yeah
 
8:38 PM
Any of you use a good RAID backup system at home? I'm not looking to build a PC. NAS enclosures OK
 
he just don't want to be "tapped on his fingers"
 
No troll feeding
 
tab closed
 
this may be SO, but it's also the internet :P
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum "It's great that you tell me why you downvote! It's very important! Here, take my revenge downvotes"
 
8:39 PM
    function dump_file(ab, name)
    {
        var blob = new Blob([ab]);

        var a = document.createElement("a");
        a["download"] = name;
        a.href = window.URL.createObjectURL(blob),
        a.dataset["downloadurl"] = ["application/octet-stream", a["download"], a.href].join(":");

        a.click();
    }
 
@MadaraUchiha I don't think he revenge downvoted
 
nor do I. but someone did
who did I piss off last night ?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I'm fairly sure he has, since both you and rlemon got one.
 
didn't knew that there is a Blob entity in js
 
@MadaraUchiha mine was before all of this
 
8:40 PM
ab can be a string
 
How much are we betting that if I tell him I downvoted as well I'd get one as well?
 
I'm willing to be a beer on it
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum You say that it wouldn't happen?
 
don't be a beer, someone will drink you
 
@copy is there a reason for using a["download"] instead of a.download?
 
8:41 PM
Yes, unless someone in the room does it.
@towc probably differentiate a real property from an attribute
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Let the games begin.
 
reasonable
 
@towc Yes, Closure Compiler renames properties if they are not known to be in the DOM
 
!!> "a".blink()
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum "<blink>a</blink>"
 
8:42 PM
And at the time of the writing it didn't know download or downloadurl
 
Weren't they like supposed to remove these a decade ago?
 
nope
they just urge you not to use them
 
oooh
 
> seriously, don't use it
 
I wonder what sites it'd break
 
8:42 PM
<blink>?
 
blink is an old tag from simpler times
akin to marquee
but you know. blinky.
 
This is so dumb
!!> "a".link("http://www.google.com")
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum "<a href=\"http://www.google.com\">a</a>"
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum check out the w3c on those tags
pretty sure the exact words are :
 
It's important to have .anchor and .link both :D
 
8:43 PM
the blink tag is a non-standard tag, which is not encouraged to use. But browsers may still support it
 
\" ?
 
Don't use it
Example:
seriously, don't use it.
 
I was wondering why those are still on the string prototype
 
legacy
 
I have a backbone models question. If I'm working with an API that handles all operations on a set of tables the same way, is it good practice to have a "generic" model object that gets initialized specifically for each table?
 
8:44 PM
legacy of suckiness.
 
someone somewhere in MS uses them
 
x.big code-golf trick for checking if x is a string
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum laziness
 
<marquee><blink>Welcome To My Geo Cities Home Page <img src="tiny_penny_hardaway.gif"></blink></marquee>
 
same reason Java's collection APIs make no sense
 
8:45 PM
@ssube The big question here is why we care.
 
@copy nice
 
and the WinAPI has Ex functions
 
hmm... latest chrome doesn't seem to make the content of a blink blink
 
("We" being the developer community + browser vendors)
 
I wonder... we can hijack these methods, no one uses them anyway
 
8:45 PM
@MadaraUchiha because an old browser somewhere has them, so an old website somewhere uses them, so a new browser has to implement them, so a new website is able to use them, and the new website eventually becomes an old website, and the legacy starts all over again
 
@MadaraUchiha it is important you define those
 
It's like... free placeholders
 
user1596138
All of the stars in this room (stored as {user: username, timesStarred: timesStarred, content: content}) totals some ~30mb in JSON form...
 
when I die, I want to be deprecated, so nobody will ever forget about me
 
@ssube I really seriously don't understand how legacy even works.
 
8:47 PM
@Jhawins The code I pasted above should handle that without problems
 
I realize that sometimes it makes sense to maintain something for the better part of 25 years.
 
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@Copy it did, however ST3 doesn't want to open the file. Thanks btw
 
I genuinely don't see it in this one.
 
So long as one large client needs the feature, it stays. That's how enterprise software works.
 
since when are browsers "large enterprise software" ?
 
8:48 PM
@ssube Chrome doesn't have "clients"
Neither does Firefox
Neither does Safari
Neither does Opera
 
they do, though
 
it's a matter of standard. But developers may forgot the functions and doesn't have time to clean up
 
the same way ActiveX stuck around because intranet places used it
 
@ssube And ActiveX is dead and gone from the world, thankfully.
 
they may not be directly paying clients, but Google still has to keep them happy
 
8:48 PM
the java API contains a lot deprecated methods, which should be removed, but they didn't cleaned it up so far.
 
otherwise they, and eventually everyone, abandon ship
@KarelG they can't. Some code, some where, still uses them.
Once something is public it can never truly be removed. That's why proper API design and keeping things private until proven otherwise is so important.
 
@KarelG Java's pride and joy is the fact that is' completely backwards compatible
 
Java and Silverlight are being removed from Chrome soon
 
That's its major selling point, so I can understand.
But Chrome? Nope.
Most sane browsers? Nope.
 
8:50 PM
if they want to support backwards compatibility, then they shouldn't make methods deprecated.
 
will npapi plugin support ever be truly removed from chrome?
 
There comes a point, after over 20 years, you want to force people to upgrade.
 
it was disabled by default in 42, but you can still reenable it
 
they could have rewritten the statements in the method block
 
@ssube If String.prototype.link breaks, it's a matter of shimming it.
 
8:51 PM
@MadaraUchiha if you go to your users and tell them to change something they haven't touched in 20 years, they'll go straight to your competitor and ask to be lazy
whoever supports the laziest users will have the most users
 
@NathanJones Yes, in September. And the Linux builds already have it completely removed.
 
@ssube Google has a very powerful incenstive at advencing the web
Developing the standards, contributing to OS, you think they're doing it because they're nice?
 
@MadaraUchiha which means updating centuries-old websites running on ancient desktops hidden in corners in banks where the original developer was on a 3-month contract in the early 80s
which is not going to happen
 
Keeping legacy, non-standard crap in their software sounds counter productive.
@ssube Tough.
Chrome has absolutely 0 obligation to cater to those people.
 
they have no obligation, but if they don't, they lose users
 
8:53 PM
Those banks existed long before Chrome was, and it was built in a certain way.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum op edited
 
And most of them use IE7 (I'm being optimistic here) anyway
 
if they lose users, then people use browsers that force older features, and the web doesn't progress
chrome has a huge incentive to support everyone, because if they don't, the whole product is pointless
 
@nderscore i hope vmware updates their integration plugin to remove the dependency on npapi-based plugins by then
 
why is he still doing true && and _dfd.promise.then(function (deferred) {
return deferred
});?
 
8:54 PM
Hi guys, I don't know much about NodeJS but I'm kind of surprised that in the snippet here github.com/gulpjs/gulp#sample-gulpfilejs is "coffee" used with parentheses - i.e. ".pipe(coffee())". So coffee is a function that returns a stream?
 
no clue
 !!fn // was `argument` passed ?
                                    ? fn instanceof Promise // is `argument` a `Promise` ?
                                      ? fn // `argument` is `Promise`
also makes no sense
imo
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum he doesn't understand the ternary stuff and returning. Just one of worthless coders in the world.
 
@MartyIX That's correct.
 
You owe me a beer btw @MadaraUchiha
 
Or rather, it returns "something" that .pipe() accepts and can work with.
@BenjaminGruenbaum The night isn't over just yet :)
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum come to Canada
we can have beers
 
Sure
On my way
haha
 
do you often/ever travel to NA?
maybe tipranks can bring you here :)
 
@ssube I've got nothing. Your argument is solid.
 
Ever? Yes, I lived in Baltimore for a year and I've been to the US at least 10 times - but not recently. I've been a lot more to Europe in the past few years.
 
8:56 PM
The whole system is idiotic, but it is what it is.
 
If you ever come to Israel you get to meet horse-mask-girl though
 
I do wanna visit
 
Also, you should make her a superheroine
 
it is on my list of places to see
 
@taco Yes, I have already had a look at github.com/wearefractal/gulp-coffee but I'm not familiar with registering of modules in NodeJS. I'll have to find out how it works more in depth.
 
8:57 PM
once I get my savings back up and can afford the travel costs I'll probably visit
but I'll be couch surfing at @Zirak's @MadaraUchiha and your place
 
@taco Thanks
 
@MadaraUchiha of course it is
 
@rlemon I'll make room.
 
probably wont be till next year :(
 
we could come up with a new, better system, but it would have to support the old one still :P
 
8:58 PM
@rlemon But... I already made room...
What am I supposed to do with all that room now?
 
github.com/wearefractal/gulp-coffee/blob/master/index.js - I'm always so sad when I see a function where in the middle of it is a "return" statement :(
 
you'll have to let me know the best time to visit for weather and stuff
@MadaraUchiha buy a goat
 
@rlemon Nah, that's @Kitler 's thing.
 
\o/
 
@rlemon I think optimal weather is around March-April or November-December.
 
8:59 PM
just merged two code bases and they work
fuck yes
 
@MartyIX That gulp plugin is the "coffee()" function you reference. It's being required and set as var coffee at the top. Gulp plugins must return a gulp compatible stream (it's streams all the way down)
 

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