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5:04 PM
has anyone used mOxie as a FileReader polyfill?
Well, not actually a polyfill, but you know what I mean
 
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A: Replace a double quotes in javascript

Second RikudoI'll make an educated guess here and assume you want to insert some sort of potentially unsafe string as an attribute or content in an element. JavaScript has tools to safely insert content to such places in a DOM node. For instance: document.getElementById('something').textContent = '<div ...

I did my best
 
Answering that bad of a question is the SO equivalent of a Rorschach Test.
 
Good day,
I'm saving dates, but this save my date more other thing, I need to save my fuel add/subtract without initial value.


var add      = document.getElementById('add');
var subtract = document.getElementById('subtract');

function Refueling() {
	var fuel = Spacecraft.prototype.fuel += prompt('Refueling', Spacecraft.prototype.fuel);
	alert(Spacecraft.prototype.fuel);
	console.log(Spacecraft.prototype.fuel);
	save();
}

function Reducing() {
	var fuel = Spacecraft.prototype.fuel -= prompt('Reducing', Spacecraft.prototype.fuel);
 
I should definitely use the tiny avatar feature of the chat more.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Ulises again?
 
5:10 PM
@SecondRikudo Yes, why? :)
 
Lol, not just him
 
> this save my date more other thing
 
Yay another silver badge for a shitty question
 
you want to save the date with other information attached?
 
I'm about to pull my hair out over IE9/8... I'm using a library called mOxie... when I log mOxie to the console (in ie9/8), it says that it's undefined. However, if I log window, I can see that mOxie is very clearly defined. Why is it saying that it's undefined? I get no errors...
 
5:11 PM
@BadgerCat I... no... wha?t?!
 
@NickDugger window.mOxie = undefined <- totally legal
 
@ssube exactly.
 
@BadgerCat fairfax is the county I live in lol not the city
 
@ssube I know it's legal, but it's not undefined
 
@NickDugger undefined and defined explicitly to be undefined are different things.
 
5:12 PM
but it says that it is when I try to log it from a file (that's fired after the lib is included)
 
@NickDugger if console.log(mOxie) prints undefined, but window.hasOwnProperty("mOxie") === true, then it's gotta be set to undefined
 
!!> var x = {}; "foo" in x; /* false */; x.foo = undefined; "foo" in x;
 
mOxie is supposed to support ie8/9, it wouldn't be set to undefined
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum true
 
@NickDugger that's not a very good assertion. There are plenty of reasons it could be set to undefined. Bugs, script didn't load
 
5:14 PM
It makes no sense... guys... it's not undefined, it's very clearly defined in window, and has a bunch of properties and methods. I can see it. However, if I try to log it from a file, it says undefined
 
Then it's not defined in the context of the file. How are you including the script?
 
You're not being helpful and are making assumptions. Thanks. I'll figure it out elsewise
 
He's drawing conclusions
 
He is actually being super helpful and you should listen to him @NickDugger.
 
Until you post a SSCCE, we can't do much but guess at common problems.
 
5:16 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum, yeah, I was wrong because I was understanding wrong way...
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum wow, never knew it existed
 
If it's defined in the debugger, but not a script, then something in the script undefined it or it was included in a fashion that never made it into the script.
 
Yay new developer started today!
 
If you're using require, that's fairly easy to do (and network or syntax errors can cause it).
 
5:17 PM
@SterlingArcher nice
 
@SterlingArcher what's that?
 
user1596138
> You can now import your qualified answers (>= 3 upvotes) on Stack Overflow as your Codementor quick tips!
 
user1596138
Because that will totally be helpful
 
@copy He should draw butts instead.
 
@towc The Dictionary of Roel Van Uden defines this as: We just hired somebody who doesn't give a shit :D
 
5:20 PM
oh XD
sounded like a tv series for some reason
 
@Jhawins lol
 
This is as detailed as my question can get.
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Q: mOxie is undefined, yet very clearly defined

Nick DuggerI'm pulling my hair out over IE9/8; I'm trying to use mOxie, but it's showing up as undefined, even though it's very clearly defined. when, from another file, I log mOxie to the console, it logs it perfectly fine in Chrome/IE10+, but firing the same script in IE9/8 logs undefined. However, in I...

 
Maybe m0xie defines itself asynchronously
On page load or so
 
but only in ie8/9?
 
@SterlingArcher ;D
 
5:28 PM
@NickDugger Make a simple check
 
@NickDugger Check the code
 
brb calling the police :D
(literally, not related to @BadgerCat)
 
setTimeout(function() { console.log(typeof(m0xie)); }, 5000);
 
@SecondRikudo string!
 
@SecondRikudo nope, still undefined
 
5:30 PM
typeof is not a function @SecondRikudo don't call it as such
That's like people doing return(5)
 
I changed it to just log mOxie, and it's still undefined
 
@NickDugger what's window.o?
 
gif from Second Rikudo was moved
 
A SSCCE would be great now
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum undefined when I log it from a file, but it's mOxie when I log it directly
 
5:32 PM
@rlemon Why doesn't Cap edit her messages on the HTML room?
 
@NickDugger what do you mean "log it from a file"
 
When she moves a gif away
 
dom
 
I got 2 close votes on my Q, but the reasons don't make sense
 
@NickDugger you posted a "why isn't my code working" question without code
 
5:32 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum I feel like that's self explanitory... when I log it from a javascript file, that fires a function, that logs it...
@BenjaminGruenbaum there is no code to show, I said that I'm logging to the console. do I need to paste a console.log in there? Geeze guys
 
@NickDugger you're including moxie below the file - include it above it.
 
...
I'm not
 
@NickDugger you need to paste something people can run in their browser and it should be short and it should work in IE10 and not work in IE9
 
fucking hell, I'm gonna have to host the mOxie code somewhere then
 
@NickDugger is it on cdnjs?
 
5:34 PM
fuck if I know
 
@NickDugger Paste it somewhere, I'll host it on my server
 
is there a gitter/irc chan?
 
(I have a static server already set)
 
seems like many projects have a gitter now, loving it
 
moxie seems to be on cdnjs
 
5:36 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum is it? not seeing it
 
user1596138
@Loktar somehow I got subscribed to Angular gitter or something and had ~100 emails the next morning
 
Also, I'd downvote that question if I ran into it - only reason I'm not is that it's a room regular. Not sure how you're expecting people to solve it.
 
@Jhawins haha yeah I hate the emails
 
@ssube check under webshim
 
oooh
 
5:37 PM
added a jsfiddle link
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Q: mOxie is undefined, yet very clearly defined

Nick DuggerI'm pulling my hair out over IE9/8; I'm trying to use mOxie, but it's showing up as undefined, even though it's very clearly defined. when, from another file, I log mOxie to the console, it logs it perfectly fine in Chrome/IE10+, but firing the same script in IE9/8 logs undefined. However, in I...

 
@NickDugger is the library @BenjaminGruenbaum mentioned the same? cause that one appears to come with some flash files
 
which IE9 probably uses
 
@ssube on my dev, I'm including the flash file
 
@ssube that's what Moxie does - it falls back on swf silverlight etc for older browsers.
 
mOxie should still be defined, though, regardless
 
5:38 PM
does jsfiddle even work in IE9..
 
No, it doesn't, jsbin does though
Also, stack snippets work
 
@NickDugger it may be erroring out if it's only partially included. You should include the flash file in your fiddle, tho.
 
you make me want to jump out of the top floor of a building
 
I don't understand why you're annoyed at us - we're being very direct with you - we don't want to bullshit you, we actually want to help you with your issue so we're giving you the steps we think you should take and are asking for more information.
 
Motherfuckers closed my question. I included code, what do you want?
 
5:40 PM
I'd recommend against that, but do make sure to include any relevant details in your question.
 
@NickDugger what do you expect people to say? Seriously - this is clearly a library bug.
 
A flash file is extremely relevant, especially in old IE (where it acts as part of the polyfill).
 
Clearly you have no grasp on the issue, and are of no help. I'm done
 
I'm sorry you feel that way, but you're entitled to of course
 
Are you including the Flash file and the script in the right order, and initializing all of it correctly (if such a thing is important)?
 
5:42 PM
Wonder what the stats are for questions staying opened when posted to the JS room.... 10% maybe?
 
@Loktar that one about hidden classes the other day got like 20 upvotes from it, which is probably an exception
it was also a really interesting question, even if the wording was mediocre
 
ah I didn't see that one, but yeah anything that gets a ton of upvotes from the JS room is exceptional for sure
 
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Q: How can I make my jquery if/then statement update live?

Dr. DonnaloiaI am trying to write a simple conditional that says if div1 is displayed, then change div2's display to none. However, I want this to be updated live. So anytime div1 display is 'grid', div2 disappears from sight. <script> if($('.div1').css("display") == "grid") { $('div2').css({"d...

 
@NickDugger also, you don't know us from yesterday, we know each other for at least several months - for the very least you should assume I'm not trying to screw you over.
 
user1596138
Speaking of AMAZING questions
 
5:44 PM
My custom video controls "full screen" button does not play nice in the latest firefox or opera (can't speak for internet explorer). Work right in chrome
 
I've been curious what the relationship between total upvotes and time until first upvote, but no idea how to put that in the data explorer.
 
user1596138
SOmeone suggest he run an infinite while loop
 
@Jhawins that's a legit question. OP wants to know about events.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum drop it. You guys were not helpful in the very least, and I just wanna move past it so I don't get even more angry with the way you treated my question. I'm done with it, I'll figure it out on my own.
 
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Yea idk I'm kind of in "fuck all yall" mood today.. I still think the question sucks.
 
5:45 PM
I'm not sure what the issue is...
 
Morning
 
@NickDugger dude.. you have a 2/1 ratio of downvotes on your account
its nothing personal as you should know.
 
@benlevywebdesign what's your question? (don't see it in scrollback)
 
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@NickDugger WUT is buggin you
 
@ssube My custom video controls "full screen" button does not play nice in the latest firefox or opera (can't speak for internet explorer). Work right in chrome.
 
user1596138
5:47 PM
I have heartwarming opinions. Let me see the question
 
Fine, no more special treatment :D
 
if (video.requestFullscreen) {
                    video.requestFullscreen();
                }
                else if (video.mozRequestFullScreen) {
                    container.mozRequestFullScreen(); // Firefox
                }
                else if (video.webkitRequestFullscreen) {
                    video.webkitRequestFullscreen(); // Chrome and Safari
                }
 
user1596138
lol love the use of undefined tag
 
@benlevywebdesign first thing I see is the container.mozRequest... vs the others using video.*Request
 
@ssube ah that was it!
Now I just need to figure out the opera one
 
5:50 PM
@NickDugger wait, is your code running in strict mode by any chance?
 
@benlevywebdesign check who you're calling it on ;)
 
user1596138
It's going to take forever for me to download that IE9 VM again I guess I deleted it..
 
user1596138
I do it for the dugger
 
@Jhawins browserstack.com
Free 30m of ie9
 
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5:54 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
 
user1596138
I get spammed enough from... Every other thing I've ever used.
 
then don't sign up for their emails?
 
user1596138
Jesus I just hate everything hahahaha.
 
@Jhawins you can enter a fake email
 
browserstack is pretty legit, if you can use it
 
5:55 PM
no validation, just enter your email + 1 at the end. They're a useful service though.
We have a paid subscription I think
 
If you have MSDN, you get some free time on one of those services
 
!!nudge 600 Try browserstack
 
@SomeKittens Nudge #1 registered.
 
@ssube or I could spin up a VM in Azure that also works :D
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum They give everyone a 3 month sub to browserstack, iirc.
 
6:00 PM
oh cool
 
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Q: Node.js: rimraf not executing asynchronously

user2689782I am a newbie and am breaking my head over a call that does not seem to be executing asynchronously. Is there something I am doing wrong? var rimraf = require('rimraf'); var myDir= "C:\\DeleteMe"; function doStuff(cb) { rimraf(myDir, function (err) { console.log("done delete"); ...

Everything works, OP just got confused about order, so cv?
 
@ssube Yup
 
I need some ideas...
Please Review and give us quote estimation. This is a project and will not lead to a part-time or full time job.

Deliverable:
*Website
-New Design
- Logo and Color scheme remain the same
-Responsive
-Easy for admin to update content

We provide:
*Domain hosting (our current domain)
*Photographs
*Text Content

We want a new website that is navigating friendly, easy to update with clean and modern feel.

The website would be about 4-6 main pages, including home, products, applications, company, representatives and contact us. It will also include additional sub pages for each of our products.
 
Do your own estimation and then multiply by 5
estimatedHours * wage * 5
 
6:15 PM
@benlevywebdesign don't charge by project - charge by hour/day and give an hour estimation.
 
I'm just starting out so I've never done this before
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum thats how I generally do it as well, but I know a lot of companies look for full bids
not sure if this one is
but like @copy said as well thats a good method
 
is someone gives another open vote, I can answer my own question, otherwise I'll just delete it and move on with my life
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Q: mOxie is undefined, yet very clearly defined

Nick DuggerI'm pulling my hair out over IE9/8; I'm trying to use mOxie, but it's showing up as undefined, even though it's very clearly defined. when, from another file, I log mOxie to the console, it logs it perfectly fine in Chrome/IE10+, but firing the same script in IE9/8 logs undefined. However, in I...

 
idk where to start at...
 
sup bitches
 
6:20 PM
It's very important to have a contract. Also - do it in wordpress :p
@Zirak oh cool you're alive.
@NickDugger already voted to reopen after you put that fiddle.
 
For some value of alive
 
@Zirak Welcome back
How would you rate your experience?
 
yeah i was thinking wp
 
@NickDugger boom
 
On a scale of 1 to banana, I'd rate it red
It was pretty good, tbh. Nice people and loose discipline.
 
6:22 PM
@benlevywebdesign seriously, you can buy a responsive theme, reskin it to match the scheme and write an admin products page (if there is no plugin for that) you should be done in a day.
 
^
 
haha yeah thats what I probably will do
 
people make so much money just tweaking wp themes :/
 
they only have 2 products...
 
we've interviewed a few people who are "wordpress developers" who can't write a lick of JS
 
but they do reall well for themselves
 
@Loktar that's a good thing :P
 
Would you say that having a factory use a dependency injection container an OK practice?
(As an object whose only purpose is ever creating objects)
 
@SecondRikudo isn't DI mostly supposed to replace factories?
 
6:24 PM
@SomeKittens thanks
 
@SecondRikudo this is a tricky one, but generally once you're pulling from a container rather than pushing with it it's no longer DI it's SL.
 
@SecondRikudo the minute you're not passing things in but rather passing a container in and taking them out you lose the major benefits of DI.
I know I don't need to tell you this, but just so we're on the same page:
 
Here's my situation, tell me what you would do @BenjaminGruenbaum
 
@SomeGuy Ended up listening to a bunch of Neil DeGrasse Tyson (@SecondRikudo thanks for that first link!) and Stephen Hitchens lectures. Very programming related, I know.
 
6:26 PM
what price point should I start at...
 
@KendallFrey 2.9
 
I have my users POST a request for a log in, and have the server log in the the appropriate server and return a response
 
should I be buying the wp theme or them
 
(This is for the SE chat bot thing)
 
@rlemon New plan: Refresh every 2 days?
 
6:26 PM
class DICar{
    constructor(engine){
       this.engine = engine;// engine gets populated by container in real use case
    }
}
class SLCar{
    constructor(){
        this.engine = container.get("engine");
    }
}
 
@OctavianDamiean HAI
 
The user can select the chat server being accessed by passing it in the request body
 
could refresh every day but timers would have to be stored in localstorage
 
@darkyen00 That's flattering, but the actual console might be better suited for that. jsh is only really for sharing sessions.
 
Now, each server has its own Authenticator class, because each has their own unique dance, apparently.
 
6:28 PM
@AwalGarg I think the API used respects it, I know it respected the site: and double quotes in the past
 
So I have a StackExchangeAuthenticator, StackOverflowAuthenticator and MetaStackExchangeAuthenticator
 
@phenomnomnominal I miss all the fun
 
I need to conditionally instantiate the correct authenticator based on the POST request at hand.
 
Right, that sounds like a factory indeed.
 
@SecondRikudo what language and DI framework is this using? Cause Guice has something along these lines with the @Named concept
 
6:29 PM
@ssube JS and his own container.
 
And each authenticator needs an instance of HttpClient, which is a wrapper around request that allows for stateful cookies.
 
You can also have a factory wrapping the DI hander-outer-thingy
 
@AnttiHaapala cbg is python room specific but hi to you too.
 
@ssube NodeJS and I want to incorporate Chusha if it fits.
 
:D
stupid me
just tabbed to the first open chatroom, which is always python
forgot I have this open
 
6:30 PM
Now I can manually create the HttpClient object in the factory, and pass it in the Authenticator instance I create based on the dispatch map
 
@SecondRikudo it's ok to have a factory, and it's ok for the factory constructor itself to get by DI the list of different authenticators.
At least IMO.
 
@SecondRikudo Not sure if this is the best, but I would bind each auth provider to a name ("auth-so", etc), then do a two-step DI: var user = User.get(); var authProv = Chusha.get(user.authType); var session = Chusha.get(Session, authProv); and have your session inject([HttpClient]) and take the auth provider as the second param.
 
@AnttiHaapala don't worry about it
 
@Zirak WHERE WERE YUO
 
Can someone help test in my question? I seem to be stuck in the twilight zone, or something stackoverflow.com/questions/28283245/…
Just play with the fiddle in IE
 
6:31 PM
Or what @BenjaminGruenbaum suggested. Either bind them individually in DI, or have a factory that works with DI.
 
@ssube What's Session?
 
@SecondRikudo dunno. Saying to figure out what auth type you need, get it from DI, then pass it at the same time you inject the HttpClient.
 
@ssube I can only figure out the auth type I need at request time
Because it's the request parameters which determine which auth type I want
 
I'd use a factory that sounds just fine, as whatever does inversion of control you get to do that.
 
6:34 PM
Why is that a problem? I may be missing something in the question. You get a login req (with auth type), then go get the user using that auth type?
 
@ssube The question here is how to inject the HttpClient to my Authenticator
via DiC which the Factory must be aware of, or manually in the factory.
(in which case factory is aware of HttpClient)
 
@SecondRikudo via the factory which in turn gets it from the DIC
Don't you have a method like:
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Ah, so the factory gets injected with the HttpClient?
 
Hmmm
No, I don't think that would do
I want to reuse the factory, but not the HttpClient
 
6:36 PM
The HttpClient is a dependency of the factory since it uses it.
 
There should be a different HttpClient for each instance of authenticator (even authenticators of the same type)
 
What do you mean? Why would it reuse the http client?
Oh, you want to reuse the factory, roger
So the authenticator factory needs an HttpClientFactory :D (Although don't actually do it)
 
I could create a new factory each request, but if that's the case I'll just create the instance I want in the request and be done with it.
The authenticator instance that is
And skip the factory altogether.
 
What I was starting to say earlier is - don't you have an injector.inject method or something like that?
class AuthFactory {
    constructor(injector){
         this.injector = injector;
    }
    getAuthenticator(reqDomain){
         if(reqDomain === "stackoverflow.com") return injector.inject(SOAuthenticator);
         ...
    }
}
 
If someone can explain how this is possible, when some guy is telling me that it's not, I'll buy you beer. i.imgur.com/5gsJpmM.gif
 
6:40 PM
Or something like that.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Yeah, I call it .get() though
 
here's the gif in the context of the answer stackoverflow.com/questions/28283245/…
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I thought about that too
 
@NickDugger I think I have an answer on that somewhere, lemme look for it.
 
Scrap the factory and do the selection logic in the request callback
But that would mean that the express callback would need to be aware of the injector :D
 
6:42 PM
No, it can itself get an AuthFactory or just as middleware get the authenticator injected or something like that
 
@NickDugger Well, you found your first IE bug. Congrats
 
@copy worst day of my life -- I got so angry over nothing...
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Having the middleware get the authenticator injected is not possible
 
@SecondRikudo why?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Because the auth type is determined inside the middleware (and I need a new instance each time)
 
6:43 PM
@rlemon teehee :D
babeh ded
 
user1596138
@NickDugger do typeof console.log
 
Classic baby joke
 
user1596138
Then do the same for dir
 
@Jhawins That's not the issue, though I know the issue you're thinking of. console.log is still a function here.
 
user1596138
I would like to help determine the cause of this issue; but given the deterministic nature of computers and JavaScript, your posted solution is not possible. I sincerely mean no disrespect, but console.log simply will not return undefined for a valid object reference. — Jonathan Sampson 14 mins ago
 
6:45 PM
@NickDugger console.log = function () { actualConsoleLog(undefined); };
 
user1596138
@NickDugger I concur that this guy is wrong.
 
user1596138
"given the deterministic nature of computers and JavaScript" // smh
 
user1596138
In that case there are no bugs. Ever. Anywhere.
 
user1596138
\o/
 
owait, that's an actual thing
meh too tired to look at it right now, tell me if you got something by Thursday
 
6:46 PM
@NickDugger do console.log(console.log.toString());
@Jhawins "that guy" is a programmer from microsoft that works on IE in case you don't know who he is.
 
user1596138
@BenjaminGruenbaum Wow who cares.
 
I care
 
user1596138
"given the deterministic nature of computers and JavaScript"...
 
He can help me
 
user1596138
This is his reasoning for dismissing @NickDugger bug
 
6:47 PM
I'm glad he saw the question and can help figure it out
 
@Jhawins huh? Something can be deterministic but still beyond our grasp
 
How do I view what npm dependencies I currently have 'linked' with npm link?
 
@Jhawins No bug ever happens because of indeterminism, because there is none in computers
 
user1596138
...you guys make me lol
 
@NickDugger is it possible it's an issue with how IE11 emulates IE9? Can you check on real IE9?
 
6:48 PM
Because you're trolling or because you don't know what deterministic means?
 
Except in the case of solar flares. :)
 
user1596138
If that reasoning can explain away Nick's bug then it must somehow explain away all bugs. That was my point.
 
user1596138
Magic
 
@copy er, yes there is
 
oh, m'kay
 
6:49 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum I can't currently, but he did say that I am missing updates, and he's gonna check the bug log to find when it was fixed
 
having a small problem... anyone here good with Mongoose, Node.js and Bcrypt?
 
Just ask. Preferrably in a way that breaks it down into the actual problem and removing as many variables as possible.
 
@KendallFrey We're talking about software
 
@copy yes we are
software isn't deterministic
 
user1596138
6:51 PM
s/Why is it that in IE9-8/why is it that when running IE 10 *in IE 8-9 mode*/
 
He's trying to sell me on Spartan now lmao
@NickDugger I am definitely aware of the reasons web developers aren't happy with IE (I was a web developer for 17 years before joining the IE team) :) We're going to change all of that with Project Spartan though ;) — Jonathan Sampson 1 min ago
 
That Jonathan guy is the one that was nice to @SterlingArcher iirc (or was it @Jhawins) in meta.
 
@KendallFrey Elaborate?
 
okay so I am basically trying to set a password in a mongoose model then check it when they log in. I think I can get it to work syncronously, but not asynchronously. Why is async preferred?
 
@copy Interrupts
 
@KendallFrey That's an input
 
@copy not always
I/O
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum he's a really awesome IE developer, I follow him on twitter
 
@NickDugger Is that the new Halo game?
can it render HTML?
 
user1596138
lol idk I don't really care about this I just thought it was funny how he basically says "You are wrong that's not what's happening" and then @Nick has a gif of it happening xD
 
6:52 PM
@KendallFrey That's also an input. Or we're talking about different kind of determinism
 
user1596138
> console.log simply will not return undefined for a valid object reference.
 
@SterlingArcher he used to be a SO mod IIRC.
 
user1596138
> the sun is not yeller colored to the naked eye!
 
gif from Jhawins was moved
 
user1596138
I don't care if you can see it you're lying
 
6:53 PM
@copy idk, but all modern computers have async I/O, which is nondeterministic
 
@Jhawins you're getting support from the vendor , like @NickDugger said it's probably a good idea to listen to what he has to say. He didn't say he is lying, he didn't even implied it - what he implied is that something else is amiss.
 
@Jhawins How did you make that?
 
@Jhawins In fact it's nearly black
 
@KendallFrey None of that exists in the standard model of computers. Only inputs
 
I'm not upset at him at all for assuming something else was wrong, because he's more than made up for it. he's taking time to personally help me with the software that he works on.
 
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6:55 PM
@NickDugger I booted up IE9 VM for you... But you were lying and actually used IE10 :P
 
He appears to have found the bug in their log. I'm downloading updates now and may see an improvement
 
@copy Are we talking Turing machines now?
 
user1596138
Problem does not reproduce in IE9 and that's likely where some of your confusion comes from with others saying it can't be reproduced.
 
Yeah, but I never figured that the console would be different -- everything else about it is the same, and the bug does only happen in IE8/9 doc mode. I made an assumption
 
@KendallFrey Yes, and software
 
6:57 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum he's the one that taught me that the development version rollback feature of 11 wasn't designed for actual legacy development
 
I don't like assumptions children :(
 
It's just to give you a vague "will this work"
 
Also, he apologized:
I should apologize for earlier too; I was wrong. I was not considering the fact that we could have introduced a regression into our developer tools. Thank you for your patience and helpfulness. — Jonathan Sampson 1 min ago
 
He should not have apologized at all, but that should cool jhawins down lol
 

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