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6:06 PM
@rlemon backend programmed in PHP
 
I do that too
 
Apparently windows 9 is being skipped, and they're gonna do a windows 10 next. wot
 
@Basj I would go and make an auth system first
ofc they can just make dummy accounts.
but that takes work.
 
@rlemon ok
 
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Need moar places to apply
 
6:10 PM
Hey folks! I have a friend who runs a church radio station, and they're looking to get a cross-platform audio stream player up and running using Adobe Air. They're a church, so they don't have a lot of money, but it's really a no-frills kind of thing.
 
@NickDugger link?
 
> They're a church, so they don't have a lot of money
 
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Grooveshark emailed me again a bit back but eh. I don't want that haha
 
I'm gonna call BS on that :P
 
@rlemon uh, wut?
 
6:10 PM
That's just what I was told :-P
 
"The Church" has a crapload of money
ofc I'm speaking of the organization as a whole.
 
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@rlemon Protestant churches are usually very poor
 
"The Church", sure... this church, not so much ;-)
 
^
(I was being a smart ass, isn't that common on the internet?)
 
!!s/ smart/n/
 
6:11 PM
Has someone an example of how to do an <input> inside a Bootstrap dropdown menu ?
 
@SomeKittens just google it
 
@SomeKittens look it up. the catholic church has a crapload of money and property
 
I don't have any fantastic sources, but there are many of them
 
Anyway, if anybody wants to write an audio stream reader on the cheap, or knows of one that exists, let me know.
 
6:12 PM
@RyanKinal I'm sure there is something on github
have you tried seaching on github?
 
Yeah, I'm googling now
Aaaand the google results are crap. Going to github.
 
"When you see the product in its fullness I think you will agree with us that it is a more appropriate name"
hhaha what?
How would any quality of the product make it more the 10th than the 9th?
 
Car buying is annoyingly hard
 
> Confirm that you’re a legal resident of the province of Canada
Last I checked, Canada was a country...
 
Nope. It's America's Hat province.
 
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6:17 PM
@SomeKittens lol how
 
"We want all these Windows 7 users to have the sentiment that yesterday they were driving a first-generation Prius, and now with Windows 10 it's like we got them a Tesla."
hahaha what does that even mean?
 
Is this really the true life of a webdeveloper : spend 2 hours adding a new feature on a browser, then spend 10 hours making it work for all browsers, and spend another 10 hours to realize that there will be at least 1 or 2 browsers for which it finally won't work at all. ?
 
They're trying too hard
 
Is it really like that, or only because I use the wrong tools ?
 
should we always use promises in angular services?
 
6:19 PM
 
or if you have a simple service (with no http calls), can (should) you just return a value?
 
@rlemon is this true ?
 
My favourite part though:
> Provide us with the answer to the following mathematical skill-testing question. Remember you must answer the question without any mechanical or other aid.
 
@Jhawins Basically knowing the thing you're spending $$$ on is actually good
 
This is in an email
 
6:20 PM
Bringing back the start menu
 
"Microsoft went instead with Windows 10 because they wanted to signify that the coming Windows release would be the last 'major' Windows update,"
 
@Basj generally for me: 2 hours implementing a feature. 4 hours arguing with the client /management that this was in fact what they asked for. 2 hours completely changing it because they don't know how to not have a creeping scope. 3 hours drinking. 10 hours trying to justify to the client why they don't want ie6 supoprt.
 
@CharlieBrown A service should only return a promise if it's async
 
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@SomeKittens Oh yeah. I kinda do all my own work so I forget you're not supposed to know what everything is
 
6:20 PM
It's ok guys, Windows is now perfect. No need for updates, the rest of you may as well stop writing software now.
 
@rlemon ok :)
 
@Jhawins ..?
(first-time car buyer here)
 
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Are you buying a new car?
 
@KendallFrey "Please prove to us your competence with mechanical devices by not using any"
@Jhawins used, even worse
 
@SomeKittens - Get a LOW MILEAGE vehicle. As in less than 40k
 
6:22 PM
@SomeKittens in my experience. buy from a dealership, and service there as well.
 
But really, it does sound cool that no one will ever have to upgrade their versions of windows again.
 
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Yeah I meant used. With used I do all kinds of auto work so I forget that the average joe isn't expected to be able to just... Crawl around and decide haha
 
they will screw you around less than mom and pop shops
 
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Craigslist ftw
 
@rlemon - Depends on the dealership.
 
6:22 PM
@Jhawins "slightly used"
 
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@rlemon Yeah what's your point?
 
@TravisJ why so low?
This isn't a commute car.
 
trying to refactor this code that passes promises in as parameters
 
@TravisJ ofc. but (again, in my experience) there are less shoddy dealerships (legit) than small shops
 
@SomeKittens - Because it greatly reduces the odds there is something wrong with it.
 
6:23 PM
Just something to grab groceries once a week and head out for the occasional weekend.
 
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@rlemon lol. Maybe craigslist isn't so big up there.
 
@SomeKittens - Doesn't matter if it is commute or not. Low mileage is really the only way to go. Make sure you lowball the shit out of the seller at first too.
 
@Jhawins woosh
(it was a joke.)
 
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You can basically buy a brand new car privately... If you wanted to lol
 
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6:24 PM
Although that's a terrible idea hahaha
 
@Jhawins yea, if you know about cars :P
 
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I guess yeah I drew the line at $5K, no private transactions above $5K for me
 
Craigslist :) The only website with a percentage to kill its users
 
if you don't, then shit, you have to trust the person you buy it from. some people are assholes.
 
I know how to change the oil
 
6:25 PM
@SomeKittens - What kind of car are you thinking about getting?
 
@TravisJ I dunno, some SO questions make me want to commit Hari-Kari
 
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So I went to a dealer anyway and they were even more clever than the normal guy I woulda got it from, and got a little screwed haha.
 
@TravisJ Economy car that'll last with low usage over the next 2-3 years.
 
budget?
 
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They said they fixed the 4x4, well they took the hubs apart and removed the stopper that allows them to disengage and pretended that was "fixed" hahaha
 
6:26 PM
Does it snow where you live?
 
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Turns out it's $400 in parts
 
lol sf, no
 
@TravisJ Budget: $7k (though can go higher)
and yep, no snow. I miss it....
 
best car i've ever owned for mileage and repair costs: 2006 Hyundai accent gls
got it at 60K kms
 
Oh, you can definitely get something good for that price.
 
6:27 PM
6 grand
 
not bad
 
had to replace ball joints and tired and the battery
 
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@SomeKittens if you don't mind imports... There's always a Honda. The commuter style ones last
 
that is it. and they were all original so they were due
 
Usually cars don't become cheap until 120K or so
 
6:28 PM
@Jhawins What'dya mean 'mind'? I prefer imports.
 
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The Ranger me and my brothers had been driving as we grew up was bought at 61K miles, now has 267K still runs and all I replaced was the cam chain and plugs/wires
 
@TravisJ There's nothing under 40k that I can find.
 
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My sister gets it now lol
 
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@SomeKittens Remember where I'm from in the nation ;)
 
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We don't appreciate that shit.
 
6:29 PM
@KendallFrey yea, i've since put 65K on it
 
@Jhawins nothing like a family car for the new drivers
 
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// I actually don't care
 
but still. 60K for 6K
not bad at all
 
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@KendallFrey Well it was also my dads truck haha. So even more split. I bought my own car a year before I could get my license haha didn't really matter to me until I totalled it
 
good car, good price, good on gas.
 
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6:30 PM
Ranger was 61K for $4.4K
 
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But does ~20mpg with a backwind downhill.. Maybe
 
only one of those was under 40k
 
@Jhawins lolouch
 
@Jhawins yeaaaaaaah no.
 
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@SomeKittens autotrader.com/cars-for-sale don't have to be car savvy to find what you want (pick broad styles)
 
6:32 PM
I hit upwards of 45mpg in my Echo
 
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Wow. I doubt there's more than a handful of vehicles in this county that do 35mpg
 
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I do 20 in my truck but it's not-so-stock now haha
 
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Plus I can't even take it to CA if I went. Even stock from the factory.
 
@SomeKittens - Sometimes it can take a little time, might want to look a little north of SF to get a good price too
@SomeKittens - Do you still have the Eco?
 
@Jhawins That gave me four Smart cars and nothing else.
 
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6:35 PM
@SomeKittens either everyone in CA is a scammer or your prices rock
 
@TravisJ Technically I'm in Alameda
 
@Jhawins - Many of the new cars are easily over 35
 
@TravisJ No, gave it away when I moved out here
 
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2010 Accent with 33K miles for <$7K
 
6:35 PM
> CASH ONLY
 
That looks like a good eco car
kinda creepy
 
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Hahahaha
 
and Fremont too, that's easy to get to
 
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Well that just means the dealer doesn't offer financing
 
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That's normal a lot of places
 
6:36 PM
At least it is from a business
 
Fortunately, I work in tech in SF
 
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Idk man. Buying cars really is somewhat of a gamble
 
wtf @Jhawins id buy that
 
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@Loktar Right lol I don't get it
 
33k miles thats pretty low
 
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6:37 PM
srsly
 
like what 12 or more under the estimated avg?
I think 12k is the estimated avg per year
 
woah, bluetooth
 
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@SomeKittens you might also check craigslist.. You can check the dealer only flag. If it's anything like here anything that's anywhere else online for sale is on craigslist too. Cars anyway
 
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@Loktar idk lol I do about 20K
 
LOL check out the dealer restating the mileage on this vehicle carfax.com/VehicleHistory/p/…
 
6:39 PM
@Jhawins per year?!
damn dude I'm at 8.3k for the first year on my truck haha
and my lease allots me 15k per year
 
(Have to click on the accident report thing)
 
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Yup just did the math. I've done 23K on the truck in 18 months
 
@Jhawins Contacted the seller there
 
ohh man
 
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Count the bike too
 
6:41 PM
I drive a lot then
I do 25K a year at least
 
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Then it's like 20K/year
 
nvm. I realized we are talking miles vs km
 
I guess its 12-15k per year is the avg
 
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I used to do more. I remember putting 3K miles/month on the buick 2 months straight before it died
 
@SomeKittens - You need to get a carfax account so you can look up the vehicles
@SomeKittens - It is invaluable when buying a car
 
6:42 PM
15K miles === ~24K kms
so @Loktar I do at least that, but I work in a different city than I live
so I suppose it is understandable.
 
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But @Loktar you know how it is over here it's $20 in gas to go to the closest city with public transportation
 
yea
 
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and back
 
@Jhawins yeah I'm lucky I live near a big city
so my job is 7 miles away
 
@TravisJ Fair enough
 
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6:43 PM
So you gotta order everything that's not at walmart online or drive your ass off
 
but northern MI for example... man
 
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@Loktar That's way worse than here lol
 
yeah northern MI sucked, i mean I love it, but to get anywhere took forever
closest mall 1.5 hours :?
closest large store was kmart.. 30 mins away
 
I drive 15 min to work on the hwy and 45 minutes home
fuckin' traffic
 
so the miles got racked up pretty fast
 
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6:44 PM
Some say you can rate the redneckality of a town based on how many hours to the nearest Apple store
 
hahaha
 
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I am a 4
 
I drive 19 miles to work. It takes me 15-30 minutes depending on my mood.
 
I wonder where the closest one is to my old town (Mio MI)
 
I do live next to a few plazas
 
6:44 PM
/me checks
 
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@Loktar Indianapolis is my closest lol might be the same
 
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Wait no wtf is Mio
 
so I have restaurants, liquor stores, grocery store, walmart, target, staples, rona, crappy tire, tims, etc. all within a ten minute walk
 
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@Loktar I went to Fairview right above that to pick up a dirt bike
 
Not the best mileage, but it is fun :)
 
6:46 PM
@Jhawins whaaat? really?
hah thats crazy thats where my oldest son lives
2 h 38 min (165.9 mi) via I-75 S
 
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@Loktar Yeah my dad bought a little TW200 up there. Back tire is a front tire from a 4 wheeler
 
^ closest apple store to Mio
 
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They're cool haha
 
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@TravisJ fun fun lol
 
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I'm a truck guy, but even I can agree a big HD2500 on 40" boggers is just plain retarded.
 
6:47 PM
lol
 
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So I decided to scale it down and am building up this ranger.
 
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But I also have managed to get 20mpg combined out of it, when the highway estimation is only 18
 
@TravisJ that yours?
 
@rlemon - Not that exact one, but yes that exact model, year, color, convert, etc
 
That's so cool
 
6:52 PM
so.. why delete the pic?
 
Except mine has 260k miles on it lol
 
I understand if it was of your street :P
 
Didn't want to leave a large image up
I don't mind if people see a picture of my car
 
ahh
 
he "liberated" that guys car :P
 
6:53 PM
@TravisJ yea but if it had landmarks people could find out where you live (not sure if you care)
 
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I drove for a day with a half lifted truck xD
 
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anyhow, that is why I assumed you deleted it
 
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Hahahaha
 
That was just a generic wiki image :)
 
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6:56 PM
@SomeKittens might I suggest another option that yields 58mpg and can be had at ~5K miles for under $2K?
 
@Jhawins It's not a smart car, is it?
 
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No it's the opposite
 
oh
that's a tad difficult to bring groceries home in
 
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Well I have a rack now, I can bring home a whole gallon of milk. And maybe.. Well not much else but when it's this fun you'll want to make multiple trips
 
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6:58 PM
She is about to die. Single cylinder engines don't get to do hundreds of thousands of miles..
 
@SomeKittens giant backpack?
 
> I have a rack - Jhawins, 2014
 
I think you can saddle a bike too, get some holding space
 
> I have a rack now - Jhawins, 2014
^ you forgot the best part
 
You can't go to costco, but you can pick up some milk lol
 

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