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7:00 PM
@JanDvorak writes learning about package managers in to-do list
 
@mrzepka it's quite easy, actually
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum You get the same obj from adding no properties to it, right?
 
would I just load my files to the package manager
then include the package manager instead of the scripts?
 
<script> function foo() { alert(1) }; </script>
<script> foo(); </script>
imagine those are ext resources even
it works.
 
ok
 
7:01 PM
in reverse order I don't believe it would
 
when you use a package, you give a package name and a function to the package manager, then it calls your function with whatever the package returns as exports
 
@KendallFrey I wouldn't imagine so
I've learned html is parsed top down
 
Dude... Teach him global scope first
 
so foo would be undefined if it were in reverse
@FlorianMargaine I think I know global scope
 
well there is function hoisting
 
7:02 PM
think
 
which actually makes that an interesting question
 
@rlemon doesn't work across script tags
 
@rlemon That won't save you
 
@rlemon each script tag is considered a separate app
 
then that answers that question
 
7:03 PM
also, you can't hoist out of eval... :-)
 
I wasn't sure if it was or wasn't
 
lol
 
404'd: 11119 used: 8271 unused: 150
 
@rlemon did you see the gaben picture made up of /r/gw pics?
 
I think
 
7:05 PM
@Zirak wow... gg
@Zirak when are you pushing?
 
In a few, need to look at whether fixing console.* functions is worth it.
 
@rlemon Maybe you should save all valid images while you're trying your script
 
@AbhishekHingnikar ohai
 
Until you have a million or so
 
I thought about that, but then I could just do that on node over night one night
 
7:08 PM
@gsnedders o/ finally you are back :D, where have u been ?
 
batch grab a shitload of imgur images
 
@Zirak now ask your question :P
 
@AbhishekHingnikar I always occasionally popped in here, just less and less often :P
@Zirak was asking how Opera makes money, right?
 
Zirak, SomeGuy and Me
 
Structural question: I have a cache of all created streams back to the server. I want to create a new stream (with certain connection options). How can I check if I've already created a stream with those options?
 
7:09 PM
but I think tonight my goal will be to figure out how to 1) do better colour comparison. need to learn more about colour space. 2) figure out how to do a 'best match' after I have the images. so if I have 100 images (finite) I can 'best match them' and not need to just keep looking for images until I find a match
if that makes any sense
 
By selling the default search engine
 
Well, Opera's a public company, so it's all public info: operasoftware.com/company/investors/finance
 
trouble being that all objects are unique. Possibly JSON.stringify
 
@copy last I knew that was only about 50% of Opera's income (v. 95% of Mozilla's)
 
50% is a lot, but that's perfectly fine imo
 
7:10 PM
as long as that default search engine isn't Bing. ;)
@AbhishekHingnikar I don't have much hope in this finishing before I leave work
 
how does IE make money ?
2
 
I'll have to wait until monday to see the output
 
@rlemon leave teamviewer on :P on your work machine
 
@AbhishekHingnikar Go to sleep
 
no teamviewer
 
7:12 PM
chromeremote desktop ?
some other camfeed ?
 
nope and nope
 
@AbhishekHingnikar Steals credit card info.
 
I should try chromeremote
 
or ssh into it and take a snapshot using commandline snapshot tools... but windows :->
 
Or just wait
 
7:13 PM
@AbhishekHingnikar essentially IE/Chrome/Safari aren't developed for a profit
@AbhishekHingnikar they almost certainly all lose money as a result
 
Is anything free developed for profit?
 
I bought 7 internet explorers. It's kind of like a ford explorer, but a third of the size.
 
@rlemon chrome remote desktop?
Its pretty damn great
 
yea
 
I use it all the time from work to home
 
7:14 PM
I don't run any remote desktop whatsoever
it would be nice to be able to see my home pc
 
@KendallFrey depends on business model
 
yeah its nice when I just have to grab a password or something
 
@rlemon at least in Mozilla's case there has been real discussions about Bing, but Google has always outbid MS.
 
@gsnedders i was joking bro :-)
 
the setup is dead simple too thats the part I like the most
 
7:15 PM
@gsnedders that would be horrible. :P good thing I don't use FF
 
bing ... ugh
i hate siri since she started giving bing results :-/
 
@rlemon with Google esp. investing more and more in Chrome, they need the money to stay competitive :(
 
Opera has shortcuts for a lot of search engines
 
@gsnedders doesn't Google still help Mozilla financially?
 
every time I find a new dev tool feature I wasn't aware of I love google a little bit more
 
7:16 PM
The only ones I remember are z for Amazon and g for Google
 
I need to get back to writing/blogging :(
 
you sure do
we were talking about that today
 
@gsnedders Do you still work for Opera?
 
@SimonSarris You need to get back to bed, honey.
 
I'd write more if I was confident that I wasn't giving bad information. I'm far too new to programming.
 
7:19 PM
I need to write more to get better at it
 
@Zirak have we figured out what country you live in yet?
 
I've always been good at writing, just maybe not so much at what I was writing about... lol
 
my information (for the most part, for things I'd write about) is correct. but my writing style is horrible (imo)
 
because I awake and go to bed every night
as perplexed as always
whenceforth came Zirak
 
@SimonSarris yes
 
7:19 PM
whereforth
howforth
 
@Loktar Oh, > 90% of their income still comes from Google. But every time the contract comes up for renewal they negotiate with other search vendors as well. Thus far Google has always outbid anyone else.
 
all of the forths, zirak
 
@copy no
 
@rlemon We'll team up. You write, and I'll be your dedicated editor, lol
 
he can tell you :/ I still don't like to publicly expose his information :/
 
7:20 PM
Guys I have a new site, and its going to revolutionize search
 
> This webpage is not available
 
Clicked it; was disappointed.
 
lol just bought it
idk why its stupid
but first try it was available
 
bajiggle.org
 
skin it like google... have it actually return Bing results.
hur hur hur
 
7:21 PM
don't go to it, I don;t even know if it exists
 
lol
 
damn it loke
if you wanted idiotic domain names I could have sold you some
like lolnou.com
 
well I mean it has yahoo mixed in there as well
 
lol
 
or saalty.com
 
7:21 PM
@SimonSarris lol no man I've actually been letting a bunch expire
 
ahhpics.com
 
me too
 
I let like 15 expire this year
 
except the great eekums.com
 
@SimonSarris You went out to get milk 4 years ago
 
7:21 PM
still gotta get that going
 
I bought like 10 this year :P
I need to get upto Lokes level
 
haha idk how many I bought
 
@Zirak my brain went out to get milk 4 years ago it feels like
 
I'm still over 100 but slowing
 
7:22 PM
lol
 
@Loktar I need to pick your brain about how to get the subdomain as a variable shit working one night
 
oh man!
I should just make a github repo for fuckinghatesyou
 
that would be awesome
 
yeah Ill do that tonight
actually maybe right now even
 
!!wiki ou
 
7:23 PM
I know it has been done a lot. but the tuts I see are all like from 2006
 
An outfielder is a person playing in one of the three defensive positions in baseball, farthest from the batter. These defenders are the left fielder, the center fielder, and the right fielder. An outfielder's duty is to try to catch long fly balls before they hit the ground or to quickly catch or retrieve and return to the infield any other balls entering the outfield. Outfielders normally play behind the six other members of the defense who play in or near the infield. By convention, each of the nine defensive positions in baseball is numbered. The outfield positions are 7 (left field), 8 (center...
 
yeah Ill do it right now, its all done via node, code is probably ugly but whatever
 
We have cities as subdomains, that act like variables. Not sure how it was done, though
 
tell me your secrets @Zirak
 
!!wiki ya
 
7:23 PM
Yale University is a private Ivy League research university in New Haven, Connecticut, founded in 1701 in the Colony of Connecticut. The university is the third-oldest institution of higher education in the United States. Originally chartered as the "Collegiate School," the institution was established by Congregationalist ministers who envisaged a college to train clergy and political leaders for the colony. In 1718, the College was renamed "Yale College" in recognition of a gift from Elihu Yale, a governor of the British East India Company. Beginning in 1777 with Ezra Stiles, the school's curriculum...
 
tell me your "l10n"
 
@rlemon hah. That yours?
 
@Shmiddty yup
 
@AbhishekHingnikar an underrated question
 
7:24 PM
@Loktar lol it's funny because it's true.
 
lol
 
@SimonSarris The zebra often things it's a giraffe, because they both wear their pajamas.
 
Yay!!
 
@SimonSarris nobody takes it seriously :-(
 
@Loktar is my waifu
 
7:25 PM
I used to do it via apache/php
 
is that node?
 
now node which is even easier
 
@Zirak I had never considered this fact
 
\o/
 
@rlemon yea
 
7:25 PM
the IE ( 8 - 10 ) team must be the people with lowest self esteem :P or the insanest pay at microsoft or they loved their work a lil bit too much.
 
yea get that repo up man :P
 
@Loktar Let me know when when the repo is up!
 
will do, setting it up now :)
 
<3ro
 
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Wait what was the gay porn one
 
7:26 PM
ERROR 404 - PAGE NOT FOUND
 
probably taken down by this point
 
@Jhawins you haz been owned bra
 
hmm should I call it fucking hates you?
 
there was some news paper one
effinhatesyou
 
yeah thats better
since potential employers look at my github
 
7:26 PM
yup
 
Haha
 
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Q: Passing parameters to promise's callback in angularjs

user3799365I am trying to figure out is there is any way to pass in an index argument to a promise's callback function. For instance. serviceCall.$promise.then(function(object){ $scope.object = object; } Now I want to pass in an array index parameter as serviceCall.$promise.then(function(object,i){ ...

 
I wish my pay cheques didn't tell me how much taxes YTD have been taken off
always so depressing
 
I lose about $500 every check... it hurts my heart.
 
@NickDugger whydat
 
7:31 PM
dem taxes
 
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I lose like $300 every check...
 
poor boys
 
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And I barely make anything to start with
 
don't come to france
 
Texas doesn't have a state tax.
 
7:32 PM
I wish america had more taxes
 
No thanks
 
does Texas use more sales tax or property tax then?
 
Texas just has corrupted cops, works wonders
 
NH has no sales tax or income tax, but a very high property tax
that feel when mild Georgism
Georgism is an economic philosophy holding that the value of natural resources and natural opportunities should belong equally to all residents of a community, but that people should be permitted to own the value they create. There are no clear lines defining Georgist policy, but the paradigm can be broadly described as a model of political economy that offers comprehensive solutions to social and ecological problems while relying on principles of land rights and public finance which attempt to integrate economic efficiency with social justice. The philosophical basis of Georgism dates back to...
 
ah, funding via speeding tickets
 
@MikeAsdf I dunno about property tax, but our sales tax isn't any higher, but each city is allowed to apply more to their sales tax. Our initial sales tax is 6.5%, but Houston adds 2% on, so it's 8.5% sales tax
 
Ill look at my proxy script too and see if I do anything special
if I do Ill add that to the repo
ok nope I don't do anything special in it
 
Ontario. after spending it ~53% of your money has gone to taxes
 
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@rlemon But everything is just.... Nicer
 
@NickDugger in Travis County property tax is pretty insane from what i hear
 
7:35 PM
yea, only when I think about it does it bother me
 
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Better maintained lol. That's what kept going through my head in Canada each year
 
because it has always been this way I don't 'miss' the money
 
@zakangelle I've heard the same, (just today in fact), though i've only been in Texas for 3-4 months now, so i'm no expert.
 
404'd: 15812 used: 11496 unused: 296
lol
 
why doesn't federal government just use inflation alone to make money
 
7:37 PM
is that the africa meat pic?
 
@Loktar lol nope
2 hours ago, by Abhishek Hingnikar
user image
 
@rlemon what's that page do?
bruteforce imgur?
 
yup
 
ooh lol nice
 
its always surprising to me just how poor america is compared to the other countries I have been to
 
7:39 PM
@SimonSarris what do you mean?
I thought we had some of the richest poor in the world
 
for instance NYC and Boston transportation compared to London
 
@SimonSarris most people would say the inverse
 
not really, if you're poor in the US its a pretty vicious place
 
I think it really depends where in the USA you go
 
I'd WAY rather be down and out in the UK or ireland
 
7:40 PM
some of the places I've been to have been abysmal. others are really nice
 
than down and out in the US
 
@SimonSarris yeah but many of our "poor" have cars still :?
 
car is a requirement for job in the US
 
the reason they're poor is because most of their money goes to gas
 
nobody struggles to have food in France
 
7:41 PM
I'd rather be poor in germany too
 
@FlorianMargaine have you seen the people in the US?
I don't think many of us struggle either haha
/me jokes
 
car being a necessity is a sign of being poor
 
I wanna goto Denmark
 
(bad urban planning, bad infrastructure)
 
@Loktar dunno, many things I've read show that US people struggle to eat
haven't lived it, sure
 
7:42 PM
1 min ago, by rlemon
I think it really depends where in the USA you go
 
@FlorianMargaine maybe because their fat throats get in the way
> Struggling to get this big mac over my throat ugghh
 
@FlorianMargaine you'll learn about zero americans have any sympathy for poor people
 
true, however I think thats due to many who take advantage of programs for the poor
 
to the point where people are against adding bus lines because it would permit poor people to travel more places
 
7:43 PM
@FlorianMargaine hah interesting thread
 
@FlorianMargaine ohh we were poor growing up. not like "dirt poor" but under the standard of living
 
my best memory of being poor was probably filling garbage bags with water because ours was being turned off and I still wanted to take showers
 
@Loktar see that just seems like an awkwardly vicious mentality to me
 
so I could hang garbage bags poke holes in them and shower still.
 
If it came to that, I'd be too lazy to shower.
 
7:45 PM
@SimonSarris eh I mean I saw it first hand, people came to the welfare office in Jaguars :?
 
I almost am already
 
its like gun people say: "you shouldn't ruin the US's lax gun laws just because there are a few people who abuse them"
 
my family was on welfare the entire time I was living with them so up until 18 or so
 
my biggest "fuck we're poor" moment was when I realized the only reason we had doughnuts was because Tims gave my mom the day olds because she couldn't afford the fresh ones.
 
I don't think people abusing welfare is a good reason to disparage the concept of welfare
 
7:45 PM
we lost 3 houses :?
no welfare can be a good program, but it shouldnt be a life long program imo
 
Hah, I read that thread earlier. Even though my family was always middle class, I felt like a rich guy after reading it
 
heh
I wasn't poor for long. at around 10 that changed.
first memory -> 10 we were poor
 
Loktar: poked holes in garbage bag to shower as a kid, now owns half of Steam.
 
haha probably why I own half of steam tbh
 
sounds like a fun game
 
7:47 PM
definitely my buying habits now can be attributed to my youth
 
@KendallFrey @Loktar people who grew up poor are more likely to hoard :P
 
@SimonSarris yeah that makes total sense to me
 
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@SimonSarris lol yeah like I said, my county (and most others in NE Indiana) used up the entire 2014 snow removal/road repair budget in January of 2014.
 
however I only hoard games lol
I go through my room every few months and purge
 
7:48 PM
hell I even have an ebay auction up to get rid of a console! :P
 
@Jhawins yeah, thats sorta what I mean by america is poor
 
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Yeah regardless of the public... Of course. It's a very well known fact that our gov. is poor as shit.
 
@rlemon That sounds wrong out of context
 
if the median town can't afford maintenance items, I'm not sure its fair to say you live in a rich country
 
our government just spends poorly imo, so much waste as well..
 
7:48 PM
@KendallFrey in retrospect I regret that decision.
 
I wonder if a "guaranteed income" plan would work at all
 
the us gov does have some really awkward priorities
 
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Socialism?
 
where people get basic living allowance from govment
 
@SomeGuy, @FlorianMargaine, @BenjaminGruenbaum, demo updated: zirak.github.io/jsh
2
 
7:49 PM
@MikeAsdf it will have to one day
 
@Zirak Huzzah!
 
I think people younger than me will "rediscover" socialism
 
as more and more low skilled labor jobs are taken over by robots/computers
 
We might be moving away from using a CMS. Yes!
 
Next step is accessing getters (e.g. try returning an error and inspecting the stack property)
 
7:49 PM
The government could just keep printing money in order to supply people with it.
 
@Zirak nice
 
!!doge excite, no cms, c#
 
I'll also add a message in the beginning
 
and I wouldn't care because I have bitcoin
 
         wow
                so excite
                        many  no cms
much  c#
 
7:49 PM
@MikeAsdf and devalue it at the same time
 
Nah, not worthy of a pin yet
 
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@Loktar lol I love the "Raising minimum wage will just lead to you being replaced with an iPad" billboards
 
I'd like to see more ideas than basic income, or at least a conservative approach of some kind as an alternative
 
@Jhawins lol I haven't seen those
 
but so far I've seen almost nothing proposed to "end of jobs" scenarios
 
7:50 PM
@SimonSarris look at how Denmark does it
 
When clicking stops raising errors I'll announce it
 
@SimonSarris yeah me neither
 
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@Loktar Some political group was doing it in SF!
 
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most stuff is intead targeted to "creating jobs"
 
7:50 PM
haha
 
well to some extent they have a point
 
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But seriously, it's pathetic that fast food even created jobs as it is.
 
id automate the hell out of ordering if I were a business owner
 
@Jhawins that's really awkward because it doesn't address the concern. It's still just a question of when
 
7:51 PM
 
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lol a mcdonald's worker's task is literally not worth minimum wage... 5 years ago!
 
its basically saying "hey you're still not worth replacing yet"
but a big emphasis on yet
there's a time limit on that game
 
@SimonSarris haha yea
 
Time to start the eugenics machine
 
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@SimonSarris Exactly! They'll string it on. Dude people that aren't connected like we are online don't even understand it hahaha
 
7:52 PM
we just need to start colonizing planets
 
I have an odd story to tell
it is too long for this chat box though
 
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lol 9/10 people I meet day to day here wouldn't even grasp this concept. It doesn't make sense. That's like future shit to them.
 
@Loktar Go to Mars and give me your Steam password
 
about someone who was "not connected"
 
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They just don't get it.
 
7:53 PM
I will try to summarize the story
 
@SimonSarris was it the story of the older man who wanted to learn computers?
that story made me sad.
 
yes I wondered if I mentioned it
 
Need help
 
before
 
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@SimonSarris The rarity of me meeting someone that is connected is so scarce it's painful :(
 
7:53 PM
yeah a while back but these guys may not have read it
 
@Loktar that's the story
 
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They don't understand the age we are in hahaha
 
was that the one from Reddit? @Loktar @SimonSarris
 
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@SimonSarris Yeah I heard it too..
 
@Loktar (@SimonSarris) Elaborate?
 
7:53 PM
no its Simons real story
 
ohh :(
the one from Reddit made me sad as well
we shouldn't be sad on friday
 
Neat, OpenLayers3 is planning on stable release in a month.
 
hold on I wrote what was going to be a blog post but felt it was too preachy, it contains the story, let me get it
 
nvm this issue is too localized
 
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Honestly I wish there were a socialist country where all the developers could live, and we would automate everything that should be automated and all make a fair base wage.
 
7:54 PM
@rlemon well I mean you do have to get DOWN on Friday :?
 
@Jhawins What would that wage be?
 
#friday-funny
 
OOHHH
 
@Loktar Who's Friday? Is she >18?
 
@Jhawins then how could I be richer than others and gloat when I have new tech toys?
I don't like that society
 
7:55 PM
@Jhawins That'll be horrible
 
@Zirak well I consider Rebecca Black Friday and yeah she is totally > 18!
 
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The problem here is... If we automate the hundreds of mundane stupid tasks people actually get paid for for some reason then so many people would just be... Worthless. The decade McDonalds and Taco Bell workers become obsolete.
 
You know what we should do to create jobs? Shorter shifts. 4-hour workdays.
 
Predicting 150 of the last two market crashes isn't really impressive.
 
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7:56 PM
@Loktar Because we all share a nice base wage off the gov. profits. You are free to accell beyond that with your own effort and ambition ;)
 
@Jhawins It's the same issue we faced in the beginning of the industrial revolution.
 
isn't that kind of what life is like now?
 
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But if you choose to sit in a hole all day... You just make enough to be base. Average :P
 
7:56 PM
minus the whole getting money for free thing
 
^ that's the story
 
We are surrounded by automation. We don't need to work 8 hours in one day. We don't.
 
@AbhishekHingnikar 4 badness units
 
@KendallFrey we are also surrounded by people who want to give us money
 
for ? please critique with reason.
 
7:57 PM
@KendallFrey in the 1920's people wondered what we would be doing with all our free time
 
we just need to figure out how
 
the labor movement really lost steam and went in reverse
 
We create the automation. We will be the only ones working.
 
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@Loktar Yeah that's what I'm sayin just add the whole money for free thing and make everyone able to survive. Then push the worthless ones who make no effort into shitty places.. Like Kentucky.
 
@MikeAsdf Ssh, don't say it out loud
 
7:57 PM
there are very few liberal responses to current trends, other than "unions"/etc
 
ugh unions.
 
as far as I know there are zero conservative responses to current trends of "how does the median person of median intelligence improve their working conditions?"
 
> I should make as much as a doctor for pushing this button every day damnit!
 
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lol I have a hard time wrapping my head around how people can work one job forever in a factory :(
 
if anyone knows of one I'd like to hear it
 
7:58 PM
@Jhawins Also, stop paying people 6-digit salaries.
 
6 digit salaries in binary
 
@KendallFrey Nah, keep doing that.
 
@SimonSarris why should it be up to other people to improve on the median person?
 
I'd take a 6 digit salary
 
too bad everyone just doesn't have their own personal drive
 
7:59 PM
@SimonSarris are you still in contact with him?
 
@Loktar because that's civilization
 
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@SimonSarris Yeah, this I have no logical conclusion to. I think about it sometimes, but honestly what can you do?
 
not everyone is smart enough to do complex tasks
 
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@SimonSarris I didn't used to believe that hahahahaha
 
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But oh my god.
 

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