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7:00 AM
@AbhishekHingnikar that should be pinned lol
 
@Meredith Ummm, ok?
 
@AwalGarg no need because of this room it already comes in google image search
which is how my dad found out that i am engaged
 
> Gay sex'll do that to ya
 
@AbhishekHingnikar hold up, who took the picture?
 
hahahaha
 
7:00 AM
>my body burns with agonizing pain
 
@monners her best friend
 
@Meredith Oh, right. Of course.
 
@monners me
 
@AbhishekHingnikar wow, how did I never see that?
 
@GNi33 somebody has been missing the room
 
7:01 AM
@AbhishekHingnikar hahaha, seriously? oh my god
 
You almso missed this one ^
the only friken pic in which i look okay :P
 
no, I remember that pic
anyways, late congratulations to your engagement from my side! this is great
 
@AbhishekHingnikar where do you live?
 
I wish people would stop using overly-complex slider plugins
Sliders are really easy to make if you sit down and actually try to make one
 
@AwalGarg planet earth
found more on the internet though
 
7:04 AM
@AbhishekHingnikar hmmm. thats why you look like a human... lol
 
@Meredith Agreed.
 
@AwalGarg oh no i am a secret alien specie
 
I built a pretty funky slider a while back I was quite proud of
 
ps i am in jabalpur MP, you ?
 
@AbhishekHingnikar TRANSFORMERS
 
7:05 AM
@AwalGarg nope Skrull Invasion
 
@AbhishekHingnikar delhi... my maternal granny lives in Jabalpur
 
nice city oyou live in
 
@Meredith it's a good practice to start out with doing something with the DOM
other than that, sliders should be avoided in general (for content, probably okay as image gallery)
 
I read an article about user-friendly sliders
I'll see if I can find it
 
7:07 AM
Bah i have adobe Photoshop i guess i will use that over PowerCunt
 
But basically it said don't make it wrap around, have seek buttons, only move on user input
 
@AbhishekHingnikar yeah... but I like the Kanha Van, beda ghat etc of jabalpur.
 
@AbhishekHingnikar illustrator's really good too
 
sure is
bt its a pain in the fucking ass to use
 
Nah it's not.
 
7:08 AM
@monners bohemiancoding.com/sketch this smokes AI
 
I prefer the interface to photoshop
Yeah, heard good things about it
But fucked if I'm gonna learn another vector graphics editor
Well, at least until one comes out that can export SVG code that actually makes sense
 
@monners that will proably be the last, its too good.
 
Not the article I was talking about but it says the same things
 
@AbhishekHingnikar did you ever open it?
 
7:10 AM
@AbhishekHingnikar Ugh, you're gonna make me buy it, aren't you. Fuck. counts money
 
@AwalGarg Illustrator ?
> CSS Styles.

If you’re designing for HTML, images aren’t the only thing you’ll want to get out of your design. Sketch also makes it simple to export CSS properties of individual shapes and text objects.
 
@AbhishekHingnikar yeahh
 
@AwalGarg I have the whole creative suite
and i design a lot :P
 
@AbhishekHingnikar master collection?
 
I wish all of the designs I get at work were done in illustrator
 
7:12 AM
Sketch seems to be pretty great
 
if you own AI, and you think it sucks, then you didn't RTFM...
 
@GNi33 it is better then illustrator
so sad i dont have a mac
 
don't know. Haven't used Sketch at all and haven't used Illustrator in ages
but it's basically tailored to webdesign, so it should be great for that
 
@AbhishekHingnikar well, then you are safe from lose-creativity-by-apple-products-closis...
 
@AwalGarg dude i have used apple products -_-
hell i have 4 apple products at home but not a mac T_T
2 iPhones and 2 iPads :P
 
7:14 AM
@AbhishekHingnikar maybe thats why you lost creativity and you think AI sucks...
 
I'm the only one in my family who doesnt have an iphone
 
so sorry for you :(
 
@AwalGarg dude use sketch once
you won't want to use iLLustrator ever
@Meredith i was like that but then my nexus shattered into pieces
 
@AbhishekHingnikar I have, on the iPad... I feel its very limited. doesn't offer the superb tools etc of AI.
 
@AwalGarg T_T we are not talking about Tablets we are talking about a desktop tool
ps adobe tools exist for iPad aswell but are lame
 
7:16 AM
@AbhishekHingnikar Wow, apparently it's very buggy
 
@monners u sure ?
 
That's what the app store reviews are saying
 
metarain.com the head designer has been using it for all of our designs
 
Guess it was developed for windows first
 
isnt available for windows
 
7:17 AM
@AbhishekHingnikar but why don't you like AI? I will checkout sketch if I get the chance to.
 
At the end of the day it doesn't really matter. I'm comfortable with illustrator
 
@AwalGarg Its too much
i like minimalistic tools
Hell i design with pure css and html5 at time ( DAT MINIMALISM )
 
@AbhishekHingnikar okkk. yah, I think in small projects, inkscape can do good. and you can do some vector in PS as well.
aint sure about sketch.
 
The html5 + css approach isn't that bad either
i mean look at my current project... done solely in code, it looks pretty darn neat
though takes 2-5x more time this way
 
haha then should really, i mean, really own a chromebook.
 
wait, checking them out.
 
anyone here using Atom editor ?
 
awesome!!!
 
lol
and those without a single use of canvas or any cool visualization api :P
 
7:24 AM
@tereško I'd love to hear your opinion on it.
 
I dare you for AI :D
 
@AbhishekHingnikar if you like to use numpad for navigating, you might find this useful necessary : gist.github.com/anonymous/0457aa4d7a3dde155496
@BenjaminGruenbaum not sure yet, installed it few days ago ... still experimenting
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum any feedback on the design ?
ps i got a lil carried away by work and family here for 2 ish days
 
@AbhishekHingnikar not sure, didn't ask yet - but it's probably not good enough in their opinion (I forwarded it)
 
it is not T_T
main reason why am downloading windows is, its good for conventional design - Linux still needs stable GPU drivers T_T
 
7:27 AM
what is this "T_T"????
 
tears
everybody in this room knows i hate using windows.
 
@AbhishekHingnikar any dev in his mind would dislike windows. you are no special snowflake.
 
@AwalGarg not really benji and simon are windows users ... die hard iirc
@AwalGarg PS its personal preference question, i hate windows cause i am poor and cant afford all the microsoft goodness, I don't hate apple cause well i own some of their tools.
 
@AbhishekHingnikar then they are not in thier mind.
 
oh please, benji and simon are in full sense of their minds
simon has written a really nice book on html5 and benji is a really really smart person :D
 
7:30 AM
then they are not devs
 
i they are not in sense, i wonder what they will be in sense
 
or maybe they never saw linux
 
oh that benji... umm, what do i say? exceptions?
 
@AwalGarg it's a matter of opinion
 
I like linux more than I do Windows
Some prefer Windows because Windows is more stable
 
I Like Mac > Linux > Windows > Android 5-
 
Some like Mac for the false sense of security.
3
 
@SecondRikudo haha big joke.
 
@SecondRikudo I like mac for stability
@AwalGarg its stabler then linux, kernel.org pushes an update unfortunately they don't give a darn about your 3 year old gpu and this afects video drives ... BAM u reboot to terminal and cry deeply fixing the drivers yourself. -- mys tory
 
7:33 AM
!!afk
 
@tereško thanks :-)
 
@AwalGarg it wasn't a joke
 
@AbhishekHingnikar emm .. Ubuntu is a dried piece of crap
 
@tereško what do you use ?
 
7:40 AM
why would one use it to gauge linux stability
 
@AbhishekHingnikar what about it?
 
@AbhishekHingnikar my primary server OS is FreeBSD, but from linux side I usually go with CentOS
(and windows for games serious desktop computing)
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum thats on your so page as you website :-/ seems weird
 
@tereško I dislike CentOS because it's consistent about its severely outdated package repos.
 
@AbhishekHingnikar it's the first page on the internet.
 
7:41 AM
@tereško and on your PC ?
@BenjaminGruenbaum ah gotcha :-)
 
@SecondRikudo which is why I gravitate towards FreeBSD with from-ports-compiled software
 
@AwalGarg I've installed windows here yesterday on this very box - it took 30 minutes total and everything worked (again) with 0 configuration (as always), I can open everything people shoot at me (psds, docx files etc) and I dare you name one thing your linux does better than my Windows box except being cheaper.
 
Tbh I judge linux distros entirely on their ui
 
I <3 linux by the way, I have a Debian box which I cherish.
 
freebsd is as close to "bleeding-edge" as it's pragmatic for server environment and makes for extremely simple updating
 
7:43 AM
My own (private) server runs Arch, haven't had trouble with that.
 
I can't say I've tried FreeBSD yet
I know Ubuntu and CentOS
 
@SecondRikudo I used it throughout my high school years (so not in a few years).
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum it's a distant cousin
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum i can you one thing :-> that linux does better then windows ... wait for it ... crash !
 
@AbhishekHingnikar crash?
 
7:44 AM
while you install video drivers :D
 
blame nvidia
 
Definitely blame ATI.
 
As Torvalds famously said in his articulate response to those crashes
Almost poetic
"Nvidia, Fuck you!"
 
7:45 AM
afaik, there still are no binary drivers for ATI , only community-hacked ones
 
This very machine has a graphic driver whih was patched by me
i don't feel safe, considering i had no clue what i am doing
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum @tereško Well, it's well in the interest of several people that these companies won't have decent Linux drivers
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum now i have "America....Fuck Yea...."stuck in my head!
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum he really said that? :D
 
7:47 AM
@GNi33 yup.
I like linux, I like the concept, I like being able to read stuff like sched.c and learn and I like the discussions. I also like the idea of a free platform. I use Windows because I feel it's a better operating system with less support issues and better tooling. It's not as clear cut as it was 2 years ago but it's still very much the case.
 
@SecondRikudo true, but there some push towards better drivers both from sony (bsd core, IIRC) and valve (steambox is linux distro)
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum how does psd open out of the box??? look, if you are trying to skin me, you won't get very far.
 
Then again, if I was doing PHP like @tereško is I would have probably worked more on Linux and less on windows since the tooling there is better for php.
 
did git got the nice lil update facebook did to to mercurial ?
 
@AwalGarg I installed Photoshop (actually I ran a script that does that automatically on the image but that's the same thing)
@AwalGarg skin?
 
7:48 AM
@tereško Yes, well, you primarily work with C#, right?
 
fuck you too
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum very very old english...
@BenjaminGruenbaum that ain't a valid comparison then.
 
@AwalGarg why?
I never argued that Windows development is much more expensive... it most certainly is. It's better value but probably worse value for money for the most part.
 
Because if you're running scripts to install things, is it "out of the box"?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum lemme dare then. first, my hard drive, it feels way better, faster, lighter with ext4 then NTFS... and a lotta features other then that. google them..
 
7:50 AM
Ok, then ignore the photoshop bit, let's say you install it.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum first clear me a point. have you EVER used Linux?
 
you're not reading half of his messages, are you?
 
@AwalGarg I wouldn't call it a stretch to say that he was using Linux before you were born
 
@AwalGarg NTFS is as good a file system as ext4 if not better. Now would you like to have a discussion about the benefits of how to store stuff in inodes and hirarchies vs the relational db approach NTFS takes or how journaling works differently on both or do you just want to say that it "feels faster" on your box?
There are really cool and really interesting file systems for linux with a lot of interesting concepts, ext4 is cute but it's certainly not a "huge win for linux", it's not like Windows is using linked list allocation and FAT anymore...
 
@AwalGarg I have.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum from my experience (of 2 years lol), yes, ext4 is far better than NTFS.
 
Have you ever compiled a kernel before?
 
and I really mean far far far
 
Do you even know what a kernel is?
 
7:52 AM
@BenjaminGruenbaum nope.
@BenjaminGruenbaum yep.
 
What's the difference between user level and kernel level code?
What rings of protection are?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Isn't it a hardware thing that talks with the software thing? :P
And it works well until it degrades by age?
 
What priviledged instructions are, what's the PSW and how system calls work through traps?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum ain't sure. but I am sure that these questions don't matter.
 
7:53 AM
I can answer exactly 0 of those questions
2
 
and I am also sure that you do know better than me. atleast you have better and more worthy experience than me.
 
@AwalGarg Do you know what the interrupt vector is? How demand paging works? How I/O works? What's DMA? How caching works in linux and how the CFS scheduler works? (Not to mention older schedulers)
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum holy smokes dude relax
 
can someone pls chck this
 
7:54 AM
1 min ago, by Awal Garg
@BenjaminGruenbaum ain't sure. but I am sure that these questions don't matter.
 
@AwalGarg actually they do
 
Because it sure sounds to me you just stepped into an argument about operating system architecture without knowing how an operating system works..
 
oh yeah, I know how caching works in linux...
1 min ago, by Awal Garg
and I am also sure that you do know better than me. atleast you have better and more worthy experience than me.
 
@AwalGarg ok, please explain to me how linux manages memory through paging, how the page table works on the process through its pcb and how TLBs are managed. You can pick ARM or X86 or whatever architecture you're most comfy with.
 
can someone pls check this url pastie.org/9416779
 
7:56 AM
@BenjaminGruenbaum Did you learn't it yourself ?
 
I know very little about these things, probably a lot less than some people in this room.. but I sure as hell wouldn't claim linux is superior "architecturally" to Windows because that's just BS people who downloaded linux to think they're "leet hackers" say.
 
all this* yourself ? or were they part of curriculum ?
 
I don't really know why linux is better than windows
 
@AbhishekHingnikar sure, it's all pretty simple to be fair - much easier than most reads I send you.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum when did I say linux is "archtecturally" better?
 
7:57 AM
It's a lot less sluggish than vista though
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum i know half of things you are asking
 
@Benjamin You send him things to read?
 
Yes. at times and he is really nice with the sources
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum then why exactly would you think I don't know all this? (yep I don't know all this)
 
Where can we subscribe? :p
 
7:57 AM
28 mins ago, by Awal Garg
@AbhishekHingnikar any dev in his mind would dislike windows. you are no special snowflake.
28 mins ago, by Awal Garg
@AbhishekHingnikar then they are not in thier mind.
7 mins ago, by Awal Garg
@BenjaminGruenbaum lemme dare then. first, my hard drive, it feels way better, faster, lighter with ext4 then NTFS... and a lotta features other then that. google them..
Thanks for sending me to "Google" linux though.
 
ok. I get that.
 
I learned a lot from that.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum actually this gives me a suggestion, lemme make a hosted blog for this room or gist where we push valuable resources we find ?
then we can subscribe to read feed ?
 
Or a newsletter, so it's easier :p
 
@AbhishekHingnikar look at the bash.org rfc.
 
7:59 AM
So anyone wanna explain why linux is so great
 
@AwalGarg I would not make a claim about which operating system is better without knowing as little as what a page fault is, or even what paging is.
 
yeah ... thats gonna take a while before we start
@SomeGuy i asked him on fb
 
look sir, I completely agree that I am a lil novice and you are THE mastermind. sorry to disturb your intellect
I quit.
 

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