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2:00 PM
@dievardump Gordon is here
 
> rly rly thanks
That's donotusetab isn't it?
 
yes
 
StatCounter is a pretty good standard, IIRC
 
Yes that's him.
 
s/donotusetab/okok/g //true
 
user2157210
2:01 PM
Error: Permission denied to access property 'toString' the hate gets stronger ..
 
@RyanKinal I trust wikipedia, I figure it gets enough traffic from all walks of life
 
@AmaanCheval yes. donotusetab changed is name to @okok after I suspended him
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also it polls statcounter iirc
 
@rlemon Fair point
 
@OctavianDamiean i'm looking at stats, so it seems rly mobile requests are few, nope? what you think about ?
 
2:02 PM
Three stickers left to give away, if anybody's interested.
 
okok is like an IRL spambot. Just enough Markov-like "content" to pass.
 
@okok 15% is not "few"
 
I wish you could ban users from chat rooms without having to put the room into Gallery
I would raise on meta but it was already denied
 
@JanDvorak well i rly think it's few related to the market trends
everyone , "oh my god i need a mobile app, omg , omg"
 
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Q: Make it possible to revoke write access to public chat rooms

Cat Plus PlusThere is already a two-tier ACL system in place: it allows us to choose default access mode (Public for "default read and write" and Gallery for "default read, no write"), and then assign access levels to users. For the purpose of this post, let's label them: Level 0: explicit read access Level...

 
2:04 PM
@okok You think almost 20% isn't a lot!?
 
@okok then lock away 15% of your user base, not mine
 
@Gordon how would that even help him?
 
15 world wide, I suspect Twitter / Reddit / the like see closer to 50% + mobile
 
Is it possible to get a unique identifier in an IOS device or a Android ?
 
@okok You have no idea what market trends means, you're just throwing around some fancy words and think you know what you're talking about but you're not!
 
2:05 PM
@MikeBoutin store a token in localStorage
 
The trend points up ...
 
user2157210
from december 11 to dec 12 it almost doubled
 
@rlemon is it hackable? i think yes
 
well they can clear the localStorage
 
@OctavianDamiean uhm i don't think it's soo much as market place says
 
2:06 PM
sure :/
 
only reliable way is to make them log in
 
@GNi33 he is free to use whatever nick he wants. and tbh, okok is much better than his previous nick :)
 
yeah, but he won't get out of any suspension just by changing his nick?
 
@okok At the end of the day it doesn't count what you think but what the numbers tell. Whether you can interpret them or not is up to you.
 
@MikeBoutin if you're writing an actual app there are unique ID's
for android it is this:
import android.provider.Settings.Secure;

private String android_id = Secure.getString(getContext().getContentResolver(),
                                                        Secure.ANDROID_ID);
 
@OctavianDamiean sure, ok thanks for your opinions baout
*about
 
@rlemon ty
 
user2157210
@rlemon Well the chatbot could grant everyone entering the room write access when its in gallery but some specified users?
 
!!/stat okok extended
 
@JanDvorak That dude sucks
 
2:08 PM
@MaxBurucker it's been ''thought of'' already
 
user2157210
ok
 
true, that :-)
 
I just installed winode.js
I feel dirty
 
please help me with how i can give new coordinates on this existing map here
by head.php
i am trying to select this map
 
haha, now he's calling you guys out in a room with him and Gordon
 
2:10 PM
like this
    map = new google.maps.Map( document.getElementById( 'map-36-*' ) ),
    marker = new google.maps.Marker( {position: myLatLng, map: map} );
 
seriously? @okok, stop whining
 
but it doesnt work
 
Hey I just met you!
My code is CRAZY!!!
Here is a copy!
HALP IM LAZY!
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@Gordon what the @GNi33 sentence means? :/ is as i told you as i can see
@GNi33 stop what? what i did?
 
someone please?
 
2:12 PM
@GNi33 i took him aside to give him a chance to explain himself. I guess that's all fair
 
@GNi33 how comes you have not added him to the ignore list already ?
 
@rlemon Hey I just met you. Can u jQuery? I got a plugin. HALP I'M LAZY! (Also, what's a variable)
 
@Gordon tl;dr (I don't expect you to review the transcript) at this point it stems down to; he started trolling us with 'hurr durr' type questions. Now his questions are on the same level of 'OMG just use google!' for answer-ability so we have to assume he is still trolling us regardless of what he says.
@BenjaminGruenbaum Hey! I just wrote foo() | This functions CRAZY! | it just returned 'bar' | Crap, I'm amazing!
 
2:17 PM
@okok do you want to say something regarding @rlemons last message?
 
@rlemon (x
 
@OctavianDamiean Yeah, that sucks :(
 
am impressed... now sing it :D
 
how do I create a javascript file to manipulate a the elements (style) of a specific webpage? I mean, I know what to do.. I just dont know hot to make it manipulate a page in a specific URL.. any resources?
 
@Badger is your name eva ?
 
2:22 PM
@rogcg you want a bookmarklet or a userscript
 
great!
 
userscripts run automatically, bookmarklets are just urls (bookmarks) that run arbitrary js on the page when clicked
 
@Darkyen That's an alias.
 
@tereÅ¡ko so what is stackoverflow? i didn't catched what stack is yet, since always you have this kind of replies ready on your pockets — okok 2 mins ago
 
@BadgerGirl aknowledged
 
2:23 PM
ok i made a question
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Q: Update existing Google Map marker with new coordinates

AlexI want to update the marker position with new coordinates on an existing map like this one here: map For example how i can change the mauve marker in the 2nd one within Color Scheme Example and inside this : <div id="map-28-5151ad76b0f69" class="wk-map wk-map-default">. ID is changing all ...

can you help me please?
 
@rlemon I should just create the file and load it in the browser? I have the webpage opened.. should I just load my file with the page opened?
 
@Alex is this the 11th time now you've asked for help on this?
 
yeah :(
 
@rogcg make a userscript then
 
i only got ignored :D
 
2:24 PM
@tereško i have
 
@Alex most would consider this as spam at this point
 
@rlemon you are so sexy all help-vampires hit on u
 
@rlemon maybe adapt it for a chrome extension that works on a click
 
@Alex ask your issue to zirak :D
 
userscripts are easier to make than extensions tbh
 
2:24 PM
@Gordon of course it's fair, no problem with that. name-calling when he knows exactly how exhausting he's been on everything isn't in my book though
 
@rlemon consider a bookmarklet
 
@JanDvorak already mentioned
 
i for myself told him numerous times before he landed on my ignore
 
@Alex No you did not. You had answers you did not listen.
 
@rlemon I'm bumping that idea
 
@rlemon Well, if you only want the content script part of the extension, yeah
 
Don't lie. I hate liars.
 
i didnt really get this mycomponent dievardump
 
@okok awesome :D
 
2:25 PM
So you did not get it. But you were not ignored.
 
@tereško great :D
 
am a ltl new here sorry
thought you went afk
 
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Q: Good technological solutions to text character movement in a browser (like dwarf fortress)?

KzqaiI'd like to build a webapp for my game website that involves using text characters to represent animals and people, and have them move around on map squares with independent (server driven) AI. So essentially, a dwarf-fortress map in the browser: With moving creatures, mobs, npcs and pcs. Thou...

 
@copy Yea, let's see. Maybe they'll host it as a paid service.
 
"ltl new" is no excuse for not reading the responses
 
2:26 PM
@Darkyen awesome? dudes you can't downvote or make comments like that pls :/ wtf, i posted 5K line of MY code, attending for some help , what i need to do more?
 
heh
true
 
15 mins ago, by rlemon
Hey I just met you!
My code is CRAZY!!!
Here is a copy!
HALP IM LAZY!
^ works so well for this room!
 
@rlemon yeap :-)
 
am not lazy
 
don't star a link to another message :P
 
2:27 PM
lets be friends i gift u age of empires HD :D
 
i got 3 days on this :D
 
@tereško while it's true, comments like that are not constructive and will get deleted
 
i finally make the new map autoupdate
and just want to use the code in the old one
 
@Gordon thanks, also i think i got -1 from he dunno, np
 
@Gordon comments like that are answer to the mandatory outcry of "why did you close my wonderful question ?!!!1111"
 
2:28 PM
JS doesn't have inheritance and doesn't need constructors. It has objects linked to each other via [[Prototype]]. Object.create() ftw.
 
@okok While his comment might have been un-constructive, he can -1 your question if he does not think it is useful, that's his right.
 
^
I support teresko :P
his comment was a perfect reply for that question
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum even if a 3rd party script gains access to your global scope, it can never, ever break into a closured context. Thats a total nono and specified exactly like so. Its a very important concept of closured context security. .__parent__ nullified that concept
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum indeed np for downvotes
 
@tereško still. not constructive. those type of comments get flagged and we will remove them. its just more unneeded work for us.
 
2:30 PM
@Darkyen i support @Gordon
 
@okok or i should call you donottabtogetthisnick
 
@Darkyen he changed his name to okok, so you should probably call him okok. Just like you are now called Darkyen and not Abhishek any more.
 
@Darkyen he was donotusetabtodigitthisnick
 
how many times you have asked a question with visible effort to debug : 0 ,
How many times you have trolled : over 9000
How many times you have been help vampiring : over 9000
I know as a mod gordon has to be neutral
 
@Gordon ^ then me i'm the troll , as i told you , he did everything by himself
 
2:32 PM
my bookmarklet doesnt work.. should it be online?
 
@Gordon people still call me abhishek (x
 
@rlemon That's a bit offensive towards copy.
 
sigh really @okok?
 
I said 'a copy'
 
why are you coming here to cause trouble?
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2:32 PM
@jAndy I understood the concept of closured context the first time and why it violates it, like I said, __ parent __ makes no sense. Maybe it's just because I'm not a native English speaker, I don't really see why the word 'security' belongs in that context. I think I'm just not sure about the terminology you're using... It's ok, not important enough to waste your time with.
 
@Gordon I still call him @Abhishek... took me way too long to learn how to spell it in the first place.
I'm not changing now!
 
@rlemon hah yeah that still trips me up
 
@okok well, I told you the atmosphere in here is not in your favor at the moment.
 
the whole @abhishek vs @Darkyen
 
@okok I think that the beef people have with you stems from the fact you're having trouble with debugging software in general. You need to make a reduced test case
@okok I think you should bother reading this: mattgemmell.com/2008/12/08/what-have-you-tried
I think it will help you in general
 
2:34 PM
@rogcg lots of reasons code code not working :P gotta know what it is meant to do first :P
 
@okok You know, that's not exactly keeping a low profile what you're doing here.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum don't you think i've done it? i always debug by myself, but when i get troubles that i can't fix i ask on stack, and i think all of you do the same, so where is the problem? teresko comment was really out of way
 
I like the mediator side of Gordon.
 
@dievardump I know right? He was really worth the vote.
 
MLS
trirand.com/blog/jqgrid/jqgrid.html jqgrid gets out of border when when page is resized. same problem is there on my page, any suggestion to keep the grid within boundry?
 
2:35 PM
hello
 
@okok You don't make reduced test cases
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum well, imagine you have some kind of session-tokens or anykind of access keys within an JS Array, that gets closured by a method which actually accepts usersnames and sends those created tokens to a server (I know the example is maybe a little off), anyway, normally, there is no, zero, nada, possible way that any 3d party script could hack into that closured scope and read the Array with tokens
 
@Happyninja Hello there. I'd just like to tell you that your name is awesome! :D
 
A small favour if I may: Could someone leave & rejoin the room? I want to see how the chat events display the info
 
What @tereško means is that you basically just threw all your application's code in a question, and went, "Fix it"
 
2:35 PM
with .__parent__, that was possible
 
@AmaanCheval maybe cause i also dunno what that is? can i be newbie or must i be a genius?
 
@okok No, I don't think you've done that. I don't think that's because you're lazy or anything. Learning how to debug code is an art in it's own way. It's hard to learn to do correctly. About @tereško 's comment, don't take it personally.
 
@OctavianDamiean thanks ;)
 
@dievardump thanks. its somewhat enervating though :|
 
@Zirak Done.
 
2:36 PM
@OctavianDamiean Thanks
 
I am newbie and stupid. but I know when to dump the entire codebase and when to spend two days just narrowing down the issue so I can get a reasonable answer out of it
 
@Gordon I wonder whether that's how exception handlers in my code feel.
 
@Gordon ^ pls say somenthing to dudes, we can't go on for kind of stupid problems, i don't see the problem on asking on stack about how to fix somenthing sincerily, and i'm stopping here
 
Ultranoir. LOVE
 
2:37 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum thats what I mean with security concerns on dundo parent
 
Ignore time I suppose.
 
@okok It's alright if you ask. We're just explaining teresko's comment
 
@jAndy How did that array get there? It had to be generated some-where, I can access the source code that originated it anyway, can't I?
 
@Gordon why does stackoverflow forgets my ignore ?
 
@Gordon Apathy: Ignore the users long enough and they might stop contacting you*
 
2:37 PM
i have ignored him like 3rice .. everytime i log back in he gets throgh
 
@Darkyen probably due to the name change?
I just had to reignore as well
 
that'd be stupid.
 
that'd be open to abuse
 
yeah, plus I imagine they keep the same id
seems like ignores would be userid based
 
> Exception Handler: "NullPointer, not you again ... I told you to stop trolling the run-time ... what's wrong with you!?"
 
2:38 PM
maybe I just never ignored him to begin with and didn't realize idk.
 
I raised a meta about the ignored users still showing in the 'other rooms you are in' list, and their messages showing through
 
PS i got banned from this chat in < 2 hours for having a lil bit of help vampiristic characteristics when i first came in and saying **** or either one
 
@okok what should I say that I didnt already have said. I think you being in here is currently not the best idea. Regarding your question: It is borderline Too Localized. That it got closed feels a bit like punishment though
 
My bans were all stupid, but I have been 'ignored' for a few things I probably should have been given a time out for
 
@Darkyen Hah!
 
2:39 PM
@jAndy I get what you're saying, I agree that __ parent __ was a bad idea and that it might pose a security risk, imho that would be in a better world, I'm just not sure removing it would solve anything since there is a bigger underlying security issue which is - every variable has access to the same global context. Web Workers solve that in a nice multi-actor based model way. Thanks btw.
 
The only time I was banned was because of Govind Tiwari
 
lol
 
@Darkyen might be a bug when someone changes the name. I dont know. Report it on meta.
 
@rlemon and @Zirak were banned too :P
 
@rlemon unfortunately not an option for a mod :)
 
2:39 PM
mhm ... are they saving them on localStorage on anycase ?
 
that, posting my own profile pic, posting lipsum services, and one other time for something stupid
 
@AmaanCheval I'm proudest of the time I was banned for saying "vagina".
 
@AmaanCheval So was I, a couple of times already.
 
@Gordon I did not notice it was asked by him when I close - voted. It was a lot of code for a localized bug. Generally @tereško 's [cv-pls] questions are solid.
 
So basically, most of the room-owners have been banned at least once?
 
2:41 PM
I remember when I was banned for saying tits or gtfo to my girlfriend
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lol
haha
 
this room should be called
 
@copy Wasn't nice of you though. :D
 
"Tavern" or "Captian JS Pirate's Lair"
 
I got muted several times
 
2:42 PM
@copy Lol, in the python room? They BANNED you for that :O?
 
@Darkyen Disagree
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Yeah. And she didn't even have to get out
 
@RyanKinal Matey, i was being a bit of humourous with a pinch of sarcasm
 
@copy lmfao, that's golden.
 
@copy Maybe Adria was around ... it was the Python room,
 
2:43 PM
@Darkyen Arr, ye lubber
 
@BadgerGirl you read that ^
5 stars in < 60 seconds .. my my!
 
@copy They probably didn't have context
Did they?
 
Yeah, @copy wtf. Don't tell them.
 
2:44 PM
lol
 
Yea but now we know he's a badass gangsta.
 
Yeap looks like the JS room
 
@AmaanCheval That's the mistake that I made
 
@Darkyen totally
 
I was (rightly) banned for being racist to a fellow countrymen once. :D
I think for an hour and a half.
 
2:46 PM
@rlemon I was just testting a script I got from wikipedia.. to see how it works. But what I really want to do is to bookmark a script that when I click, it removes some style elements from a page..
 
I believe Gordon was even around before he became a mod.
 
@rogcg So a bookmarklet
 
@AmaanCheval that's what I'm trying to do..
 
@rogcg And what's the problem?
 
@AmaanCheval the problem is that I dont know how to do, and I need a good tutorial. heheheh
 
2:48 PM
...
argh that dot got misplaced -_-
 
1) Write JavaScript code in console, and make sure it works
2) Compress it down so it doesn't have linebreaks or syntax errors
3) Add `javascript:` to the beginning of the code
4) Copy `javascript:var something='fdsfs';callSomething();` or whatever and put it in a bookmark
 
@jAndy i recommend that as our flag :D
 
My mom wanted me to make her a meme to send to my nephews mother. Something along the lines of 'she spoiles him' type meme
I came up with this
 
xD
 
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Q: "Post Locked" should link to the relevant meta question

Benjamin GruenbaumI recently ran into this locked question and noticed the buttom part says: It suggests I visit meta for more information. That does not seem very informative to me. Suggestions: The word locked should maybe link to this post here in meta. For more info visit meta could be re-written to be m...

I didn't know what a locked question was and found the description to be not-very informative
Had to google 'locked question stackoverflow meta' to find the results, seems discouraging and silly
 
2:51 PM
@Gordon in hindsight, locking such a question probably wasn't the best idea. I mean it is in horrible shape and I can't even try to improve it.
Even though I still think it is not a good fit for SO the way it was asked with bazillion lines of code.
 
^ agree
even if we didn't have the issues with said user I would still vote to close it
 
In the Android tag I used to close-vote such questions without even thinking about it. It was almost a muscle-reflex.
 
@OctavianDamiean I locked it because it felt like punishment/ganging up to me
 
Is there a problem (apart semantically) in having an attribute named "data" today ? (just "data", not "data-something")
 
do you people agree with this assessment?
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Q: Dedicated Servers versus Amazon EC2

hostingtechWhat are the pros and cons of using dedicated servers versus Aamzon EC2 for hosting a high traffic website - that has about 2 million visitors and 5 million page views a month. The content is mostly dynamic and served from a database. Does anyone has any experience of the costs and performance fo...

 
2:55 PM
@Gordon I can see why but the truth is that it would have been closed even if the author was a stranger.
 
@dystroy it is invalid unless preceeded by the data-
 
when I click my bookmarklet it shows the code in the browser instead of running. what could be causing this?
 
custom attribs must use data-*
 
@OctavianDamiean I don't disagree with that. It is borderline TL. But given that there was already so much fussing in here, it just felt like slapping down okok. I mean, you have to admit that there is at least some effort in the question.
 
@JohnMerlino i agree ec2 has a lot of advantage but the pricing is spicy
 
2:57 PM
@JohnMerlino get a cheap vps as app server and use s3 for storage
thats mostly what we use
 
@Gordon I don't deny that but it is just too much code to even attempt to take a look at.
He needs to pin-point it on his own.
 
@JohnMerlino I want to put a bounty on that question, I would if it was more general, that is 'cloud storage hosting and dedicated server hosting pros and cons', the problem is that could turn out to have extended discussion and arguments
 
@OctavianDamiean yes. That's why it is likely TL. And after everyone has calmed down, I'll leave up to you and everyone else to decide what to do with it. Just not right now. Hence the one hour locking.
 
It is basically a debugging task if he doesn't do it and SO is not really a codevalidator or magic debugging service.
 
@OctavianDamiean fully agree
 

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