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6:00 PM
@cygery right, thats what this helps iwth
 
whoaaaaa
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@codeMagic , there ?
 
I guess the community is all for it.
 
shared it yesterday
 
71 downvotes
 
6:01 PM
we're gonna turn SO into the most pretty manual.
Hitchiker's Guide to Programming
Remember, don't Panic!
 
TLN, no, I'm here
 
ha
dad jokes
 
Did you ever have white rum(bakardi) Lemon flavor ?
 
I dad joked my buddy the other day.
> "What's a metaphor?"
Self reference, obviously.
 
I had it today. It's really good in taste.
 
6:04 PM
No, I mix it with Pepsi when I have rum so I don't think I'd like that
 
I bet that'd still be good. Remember Pepsi Twist?
That shit was on point.
 
I mix it with Limca in general.
 
What if... Stackoverflow has a Wikipedia type thing, except all code and documentation.
 
white liquors are overrated.
i'm a liquor racist. blonde is the darkest i accept.
 
what about vodka?
 
6:06 PM
I don't take vodka.
 
it's not an exception.
except it's one of those low-alcohol brands mixed with berries
then it's okay.
(to mix it with something stronger)
it's not that they taste bast, but they are harsh, and i like sweet / sour / spicy things.
 
and ukelele music, don't forget the ukelele music
 
@Eenvincible This misses the two best ones, just in time instruction, and no instruction (because your design is good enough that it's not needed)
 
Yeah that is true
 
6:18 PM
Design dilemma: how do I put both "Create" and "Join" on the same screen, along with a recycler?
One of them can use a FAB, but I'm not sure which one and what symbol to use
 
what ar you creating?
 
and what are you joining
 
@McAdam331 I'm ditching my Karla for Lato haha
 
my telepathic powers tell me that you create new rows and you join the things in the rows
so, create FAB, and a fancy button / icon in a divider of the Recycler's Card for join would be my approach.
 
I don't like FABS :(
 
6:23 PM
why?
FABs are fabulous
 
nice, thanks for the link, Een
 
They're fab
 
too late anubian
 
2fab4me
I dunno, anything I try to use them on it just seems more in the way than anything
I'd prefer a button in the toolbar
 
(They should disappear when you scroll down too)
 
6:24 PM
I'm also prone to accidentally pressing them
 
i used them for the first time in my current app, and i'm quite fond of it
 
@mkorcha Imagine Inbox with toolbar buttons
 
Should, but so many apps don't
I don't use inbox :P
 
whoops, sorry for being afk for a moment
things like groups
 
anubian, i anchored it to a view rather than floating inside the recycler
 
6:25 PM
like "Join a group" or "Create a new group"
 
So they're not following the design quite right
 
And yeah, FABs can be annoying when they don't disappear after being scrolled, I've got that handled
 
join a existing group , like, clicking on it's row, or, opening a dialog to insert name / tag / id and then it gets added to the recycler?
 
just out of curiosity, what lib are you using for FAB?
 
i'm using support v7
 
6:27 PM
Yeah, something like that
Support library as well
 
first or second?
in case of first, then 1 fab for creation and what i said
 
(it's more like "open a screen where user can search for groups")
 
in case of second, two fabs
 
Join as in first, and create as in second
 
Time to sleep now...
Good night Shinobis
 
6:28 PM
and it gets added to recycler and registered on server
 
ok
then i'd make a FAB attached to the top-right of the recycler
as JOIN
that never dissapears
and that's half in, half out of the recycler
and the floating and dissapearing create , bottom right
 
Hm, that sounds interesting
 
And what about symbols? Plus seems kinda ambiguous
 
hmm
 
6:30 PM
oh, actually I have an idea
Plus stands for "create" and I'd provide magnifying glass in action bar as "search"
 
that too.
 
because chances are there'd be too many groups to list them all
 
Who wants to hear a riddle?
 
Eventually provide a suggestion if user tries to create group with the same parameters as the existing one
 
me wanna.
 
6:32 PM
Thanks
 
lol
 
cM, shoot
 
OK, and you can use any resources available for this one
 
will gladly do
 
try me
 
6:33 PM
what do i have in my secureTextField?
:p
 
There are 3 groups, group 1 is expanded by default
If group 2 is expanded, it scrolls to the bottom
But if group 3 is expanded **then** group 2 is expanded, group 2 expands to the correct position
 
And I will give you a hint. The answer is not smoothScrollToPostition()
Hey, I knew that would get everyone's attention :P
 
i need coffe, a whiteboard, color markers and a trumpet.
 
Get on it, Captain. The clock is ticking
Ok, you guys seem to be stumped so I'll give another hint. The answer is also not here stackoverflow.com/…
 
6:36 PM
wait, who is stumped?
 
All of you. I didn't get any answers
 
cause it does seem a bit like Mr Magic is stumped on this one himself.
 
no no no...it's a riddle to exercise your minds
 
Are you a riddle whisperer or what
 
indeed
 
6:38 PM
That riddle sounds like you want us to solve your problems
 
setSelection(index of whatever item you want to be) ? iunno.
 
Clever tehnique
 
Hmmm...I can see how it would sound that way, Luke. But I assure you it is only to help your brain
That is also incorrect, Captain
At least the way I have it
 
call it with a delay if it doesnt work
sometimes won't work.
if all times haven't loaded
 
I tried posting a runnable but didn't work
 
6:41 PM
public void onGroupExpanded(final int groupPosition) {
super.onGroupExpanded(groupPosition);

listView.setSelectedGroup(groupPosition);
}
?
 
in onGroupClick()
yep
 
found something really dirty on SO
 
like how dirty?
 
strictmode dirty?
 
6:44 PM
requestChildRectangleOnScreen type of dity.
 
That's a lot of workspaces
I'm not even sure my PC can handle that
(AS + 25 tabs in FF of which one is YouTube and one Facebook seems to be working fine so far)
 
Using 3.7/16 gigs of ram :D
It's running perfectly
 
I wish I was on my linux box
 
Well, I got 4, need to get another 4 asap :p
 
6:50 PM
ooh, i haz 16 gb of ram too
 
And hopefully replace Athlon II next year
 
I almost regret upgrading now that I'm running linux haha
 
there's a moment when, with so much ram and a core i7, you no longer care about how many things are open
 
It's been a while since my HDD successfully completed SMART test, but oh well, it's still running. Kinda
 
25 tabs?
 
6:51 PM
Stuff I usually put there "to check later"
because I'd forget them if I throw them in bookmarks
But by the end of the day, it's usually ~15 (I've set it to reopen tabs I had open last time)
oh, and this gif: i.imgur.com/sH8xOG7.gif
 
haha that's adorable
I was going to say it isn't a zero sum game
But then that last bit came in and it doesn't really matter anymore haha
 
so it's official, friday the candidates were presented
we're running for independence! :P!
last year's demonstration
 
@Anubian it has been starred in this room some time ago, that's how I discovered it in the first place
 
Oh haha
hmm I need a creative 404 page without art...
or with really simple art
 
"uh oh. the elephant stepped on the server. please come back later, we're in big trouble here".
 
7:00 PM
haha
That'd be a 500 though
 
true
 
The server is fine, it just can't find the page
 
"I promise you i left this page here!!... mom, have you seen my website? what do you mean by re-organized it?!"
 
@CptEric Looks nice. What is that for?
 
"An elephant did something dirty to our server"
 
7:02 PM
@CptEric Perfect
How should I credit you?
SO profile link?
 
if you refer to the video, it was last year's rally for independence.
we've been rallying for it since 2010, when spain's constitutional court ( political driven ) cut apart our region's bill of rights.+
ok anubian, as you want.
you don't need to credit me for just a phrase.
first year we rallied on barcelona streets, around 600k people
 
2nd year, we made a 480km uncut line crossing our region
 
600k is a lot...
 
aprox 1,8M participants
 
7:06 PM
That goes on for 480km?
 
whaaat?
That is a lot
 
@CptEric What's your region?
 
Catalonia
 
oh gotcha... and Lleida is a city in that region?
 
yup
in 2012 we filled barcelona's streets
aprox 2,5M
 
7:08 PM
The population of Catalonia is 7.5M...
 
and last year that giant V sign
same numbers
yup
 
That's crazy
 
this year we're rallying again in barcelona
in the biggest street of the city
 
We can barely get a third of our population to tick a piece of paper in the US haha
 
the Meridian
well
it was really difficult to get so many people
this year will be smaller
the important date is 27th september, vote day.
 
7:11 PM
good night
 
the rally is just the warmup
night!
 
Night cy
 
night cy
`alias AS=/opt/android-studio/bin/studio.sh`
okay, now I feel embarrassed because I haven't thought of this earlier
 
haha what for?
Starting AS?
 
yeah lol
well, it's usually last entry in history, so I can just use up arrow
 
7:12 PM
WHy do you need an alias for that?
@CptEric please continue your story, we're still listening :P
 
well, it's easier that way imho
 
hehe
ok
 
yeah, sorry for interrupting
 
no , this is android chat
not /politics/ XD
 
I like hearing this though
I'm politically blind
Hearing people's stories is interesting
 
7:14 PM
so basically we're a region with it's own language, culture and "way-of-life"
different from spain
as basque country , valencia, and mallorca.
 
Are those 3 subregions of Catalonia?
 
no, other regions of spain
 
Other regions with their own unique culture?
 
yup
valencian and mallorcan are an evolution of catalan language / culture during medieval times
look alot similar
basques are weird, language dating from roman time. :P
still nobody knows where they came from XD
and well, spain has always been a centralist country
dislikes differences, likes homogeinity
and since "democracy" came to spain in the 1980's , we've seen how the promises of respect for our language, our culture, and our laws have all gone to the loo.
quick story : 80% of our parliament voted a new bill of laws that updated the 1979 existant one, 70% of the spanish parliament accepted it
the bill was passed
and the right-conservative Popular Party (now in government) sent the bill disobeying the parliament to the Constituional court, where they were ruling at that time
they cut all the important laws
and rights
and removed the line "Catalonia is a nation, inside the confederation of nations that is the spanish sate" , wich basically is like telling a Virginian he's no longer virginian, that Virginia does not exist except as an administrative term.
 
7:23 PM
and we're here. almost 30 years of underfunding, ingoring our rights and messing with our education system
 
What languages do people in Catalonia speak?
Catelan is it's own language
 
since last year, if 1 kid's fathers do not want him to learn in catalan, the whole classroom has to learn everything ( except catalan class, ofcourse) in spanish.
 
Catalan, Castillian/Spanish, and Occitan
 
But do a lot of people speak/read/write spanish/english?
How does the distribution vary by age?
 
7:24 PM
everyone speaks and understands spanish
not everyone speaks or writes catalan, but most understand
and only new generations speak , write and understand english
 
Oh gotcha
So are all three taught in schools?
 
yup
just that catalan was the "preference" language, so , except if the teacher didn't want to, maths, physics, etc... were being thaught in catalan
 
Oh gotcha
So at the school people would speak catalan mostly
 
now parents can force spanish as preference language, no matter what teacher or the other 29 parents want to.
 
And there'd be classes for spanish and english?
 
7:26 PM
thanks to a court decision
yup
 
@CptEric that's fucked...
@CptEric So essentially everyone is trilingual?
 
everyone born after 1985 ( when english was added to the scholar CV) yup
 
That's really awesome
 
we see it as something normal
it's not harder nor difficult to learn new languages after you've been thaught 2 since born
 
That makes sense
 
7:30 PM
and they keep interfering in everything and underfunding us to the point we don't want to be part of this anymore
 
They cut funding for catalonian programs?
 
the catalan government has accounted a total of 16.000.0000.000€ (16 thousand millions, or 16 american billions ) yearly loss of net cash due to the way spain funds regions after taxes are paid
 
As in the Catalonian governement funding was dropped by 16 billion?
Probably indirectly I imagine, through taxes and stuff?
 
it's the balance loss of direct and indirect taxes
in spain all the taxes are kept by the central government
and then he divides the cash between the 17 regions
so at the end of the year, our region has to take debt from the spanish central bank
to pay for all the things the central government hasn't finished paying ( roads, schools, etc... ) and the things he couldn't pay for due to the 16billion loss
 
Oh gotcha
 
7:36 PM
not only we aren't getting all our taxes back
the part we should get, is never 100% of the promised ( by law).
 
Are you supposed to get taxes back?
 
the region, not us
 
They're not much of taxes if you get them back...?
 
we as "the people of catalonia who live here and pay it's taxes here, through the government that represents us"
 
I don't follow
 
7:38 PM
hmmm
let me try again
citiziens pay taxes directly to the state
state funds regions with taxes
catalonia is not only underfund, but also gets less than 50% of what it's citiziens paid in taxes.
 
Oh gotcha
Should the region get 100%?
Wouldn't the region (or the people) have to pay a portion to the overarching government?
 
i think we'd be happy with an 80% and them not messing on us
 
Ok that makes sense
The central government taking more that 50% is the problem
And you pay taxes directly to them and they distributes to regions
Here we pay taxes seperately to city, state, and national government (I think)
 
we pay to the city (a low amount really, just the water bills and the road tax to keep city streets in good status) and the state.
 
That makes sense
 
7:44 PM
if you understand economics, the underfinancing it's a yearly -8% of our region GDP
 
Two layers is hard enough, imagine the pain of having the regions distribute to the cities too haha
@CptEric Which is a lot of money and potential lost
 
in contrast
the region of extremadura, wich holds the european record of state employeess
has a +32% of financing of their GPD
 
How does the government justify that?
 
because they need funding to build industry
appartently 30 years have served only to grow a mere 0,5% of their PIB
they msut be really slow builders
 
What about Catalonia?
 
7:49 PM
we keep growing, but each year less
i think now it's on a yearly 1,3%
there not been a single year of positive funding since the system was created
 
Has the government acknowledged these protests or ceded to any demands?
 
the socialist governement managed to accept our bill of rights in 2007 after some slight changes , but you already know how that ended
and since 2011 the PP rules on spain.
 
@CptEric The right wing Popular Party canceled it, right?
 
yup
 
When they came into power?
 
7:54 PM
2011
 
And they just don't acknowledge your requests now?
 
they never had, they think we're plainly greedy and rude
or atleast tell their citiziens that
that we feel better than the rest of spanish citiziens
superior or whatever
have called us nazis many times actually.
 
And because Spain feels monolithic and unified you guys are the weird outsiders
 
yup
that want to break their paradise apart
 
:P
So does Catalonia want certain demands or full secession?
What are the opinions there?
 
7:58 PM
the first two demonstrations were for certain demands ( the first one, to have the referendum accepted again, the second one, to change spain into a federal government)
and since then, when we were unhead and ignored, full secession
 
And those demands were not met?
 
not even discussed
the PM of spain invited our region's president to a talk about the matter
but when it started he said infront of the Tv's
"we can talk about everything, except for a special treatment for catalonia"
 

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