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9:02 AM
@Cerbrus If his name isn't a generic name, and you believe it's a sock for another reason, I'd say go ahead and flag
 
His name and profile image ask for his answers to be accepted
 
@Cerbrus I made a deliberate decision a while back to not get involved in doc related things, but if it's potentially related to the Q&A site, then flag it please
 
@JonClements we can't access on-going review except from >10K review history and there is no info in API, in fact this has been holding us back on developing tools. We need a >10 users screen scraping
 
Problem: He only has documentation contributions... How do I flag him? o.O
 
@Cerbrus flag yourself and point to the right person
I'm about for 20 mins or so before I might have to go out for a bit, so let me know, and I'll look at your history straight away
 
9:07 AM
Okay, sec
 
there was a 28 sec gap between them ...
 
@JonClements: flagged
 
Rhaaa
Hovers over the flag button - Answer deleted. Clicks on "close"... This question has already been closed.
Could anyone reach out to BR's ISP and tell them to slow him down a bit?
 
Oh, I misread your message
 
Better try without the glasses next time? =p
 
9:18 AM
@Kyll ಠ_ಠ
 
@Mistalis I thought that was gibberish. Took a minute to figure out that they're talking about a software wizard, not some mobility spell in D&D or something. Had to retract my custom CV. :(
 
@TigerhawkT3 don't retract, just delete comment..
 
ninja'd
 
But it would be an inaccurate close reason.
 
@TigerhawkT3 yup, but no one would ever come to know
 
9:24 AM
meeh, there are 4 others... and if it should be closed it should be closed
 
at least you wouldn't waste a cv, and you would save the cv of another person
 
I have a bit of a reputation for Excessive Zeal. I gotta be careful.
 
The question will be removed from the site, so nevermind for your close vote, @TigerhawkT3
 
still loving replies to mod messages... A very polite message was sent regarding being rude, and a nice "F* you" was the only thing they replied with
 
@JonClements You should appreciate their consistency.
 
9:26 AM
:/ I'm always stunned by how many 'F this site' and 'F you all' have to be deleted...
Tiresome...
 
@JonClements HF ;P
 
I don't often run into that long tail.
 
@TigerhawkT3 it's disappointing really... we all laugh 'em off... I just like the more imaginative ones that are something about how we're nazis and can go do something with a donkey like our mother's did or something :p
 
@JonClements The thick skin you need for that must resemble hull plating. :P
 
we signed up for it, we'll do it and face it
just wish we had more replies that said "yeah, sorry, I just got angry and frustrated"
and they had a bad day... and nothing needs to be done/said any further... etc...
 
9:34 AM
That would be nice.
 
looking at the mod messages, we've rightfully had to suspend a few users for rude/offensive behaviour, and their reply is either "go to hell" or "go f* yourself*
strangely, we're not going to reply to those
 
Do you take any further action or just brush it off?
 
depends
 
With great power comes great respronsitrillitrance.
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@Kyll context is always taken into consideration
 
9:39 AM
I see. Dang, the amount of crap you guys have to crawl through =|
 
Yeah what @TigerhawkT3 said... :P
 
@Kyll if for instance, I need to send out a "hey, calm down" message to a user
(always remember that an account suspension is the last thing we do)
I'll generally let it go - a poke saying "hey, look, think about this" is enough
in some sense - I'd kind of like moderator actions to be more transparent
 
Do you have any specific action in mind then?
 
no - not really - aka none I can think of
 
How about taking off that mask?
 
9:51 AM
@JonClements Mh, what about stats?
As in, amount of messages sent to users, suspensions, etc
 
@Kyll you know I can't disclose that
 
@JonClements Of course. I'm talking about the system itself (or CMs) disclosing those every once in a while
 
bbiab
 
@Kyll pass a meta, we want stats about what theze darn mods are up to...
 
10:56 AM
going for NAA "Good luck, delivery is approaching!"
 
11:29 AM
Morning
 
Good Morning
 
Morning
well afternoon now for me now.
 
@nathan could you trash my last cv-pls? It was bad when I cv-pls'ed it, but it seems OK to me now
 
11:32 AM
Kyll thinks he is nathan
 
@AshishAhuja Oh, right
 
the plopper has become NO
 
in SOCVR Testing Facility, Oct 9 '16 at 16:33, by Rubisco
@Sam WAT IZ DIS SERVCE IM GOIN 2 RANTZ ON META
@Kyll why my message? cries
 
11:35 AM
=D
 
I took care of the request
 
why is a car parking in front of my tree?
 
because it is being.. taken care of
@AshishAhuja not really
 
v.
 
11:39 AM
Legit user
^ Otherwise this happens
 
oh nvm. Got confused sorry
 
meh. The user missposted it. plenty of users redact bad answers
 
didn't notice that the owner of the answer was the OP =/
 
no one ever reads ;)
 
hey guys
 
11:41 AM
@AndyK o/
 
sup guys?
 
Plop Andy! Glad to see you around.
 
Not much. Trying to find a good question to answer
 
@NathanOliver "Why am I not napping right now?"
 
11:43 AM
@AndyK I'm in a semi-bored state.
uh @kyll, the lines US fix doesn't seem to work..
 
@Kyll I'm going to blame caffine
 
@AshishAhuja As in, at all?
 
@Kyll on my own (non-edited) messages it seems to work, on others messages nope :(
 
hey @Kyll, just popping by
 
@AndyK I'm going for dinner very near to where you've been this week =D
 
11:47 AM
you know what mate?
I still need to grab that beer
but honest, it is the lack of time
 
Will you be near Tours anytime soon?
 
Are you coming to Paris sometimes?
 
@Olaf @JanDvorak @Makyen @PaulRoub @Machavity Please see this meta from this request
 
Er
Hold on
There may be some huge combo to make
Gotta check the trains
 
ooh, a mega-ping
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11:48 AM
Also, Ministry.
 
I think that is the biggest ping I have ever done
afk
 
It still doesn't look like a programming question to me. Rather, it's a question about a file format asked from a user standpoint.
 
back
 
@FrankerZ au contraire. This room focuses on recently active stuff.
 
@FrankerZ Not quite:
 
11:55 AM
From [the FAQ](http://socvr.org/faq#general-expectations-for-members) :
"cv-pls is for posts that:
- are really bad (low quality magnets)
- are a bad example used to justify other crap
- have recent activity on the question (Edits, VLQ/NAA answer)
- don’t have enough users in that tag to close the post in time"
 
We're meant to be quick so that off-topic questions are closed before they generate bad answers
 
@FrankerZ It not that it should not have been closed. It is that with our limited amount of votes we try to prioritize current questions. Older questions that are not hurting anything can wait until we catch up. Not saying you can't post one but we like to make people aware of our priorities.
 
It was attracting some spamming answers in the past, and was likely to generate some in the future (I stumbled upon it while searching)
 
Also maybe 4 people answering is a lot so I'll let some others do it now
 
@Kyll eh, I don't think we'll scare FrankerZ away
 
11:56 AM
@JanDvorak Yeah. I'm not sure myself and I remember skipping it when I saw the request. Just want you guys to know in case you want to weigh in on meta.
 
"We're meant to be quick so that off-topic questions are closed before they generate bad answers"...this seems to contradict what others are saying.
 
@SmokeDetector Erased.
 
@Henders wow, really can't get that link to work... o.o
 
I've reposted my message as a comment there. Let's see how OP replies
 
looks like not very well
 
12:00 PM
@FireAlarm Highly too broad
 
12:13 PM
@JanDvorak I'm on the fence but the OP isn't making any good efforts to get me over it yet
 
same here. I'm sticking to unclear for now.
 
@SmokeDetector The answer is not beautiful, but it is still an answer. I would not flag it
 
12:30 PM
Heh. I just got spam related to renewing a domain name the company owns. It says it's Can-Spam compliant without an unsubscribe and says to send correspondence to [company name] Ft Lauderdale, FL
 
Hiya
 
Hey BR
@Yam looks better. Not sure if that is a mcve or not
 
@PetterFriberg Post 1: Already recently reported
 
hmm ninjad... :D
 
Okay, only 2 other users managed to get across me
 
12:46 PM
@PetterFriberg You . . . Ninja'd by me? You're getting old, Logan
 
@Mistalis The rule in the FAQ that goes "Do not request action on a post that you have asked or answered." is also meant to cover cases where you are asking to close a question as a dupe of a question you answered.
 
well, that gives an excellent incentive to not answer canonical questions
 
By all means, don't answer them.
 
@Louis Does it? I don't remember that prohibition.
 
it should probably be lifted if there is one
 
12:59 PM
@NathanOliver It was meant to cover any post in which you have a direct interest. Keeping your question open, keeping your answer on the site or funneling people towards your own content.
 
Every closure can affect everyone's votes
 
I'm with Nathan. Not sure that applies. I know Tiny made that rule after someone CVed a Q they had answered (which is an obvious problem)
 
@Louis I'm not sure about that. I vaguely remember something about if the dupe is valid there is no problem with it.
 
Can't we just forbid posting closure requests here altogether and be done with it?
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@Louis sure but the RO team did have that discussion a while back and we decided that we only take a Q/A pair that is reported into account, not in all its possible relations.
 
1:02 PM
That would make it easy :)
 
@rene That is why the rule says indeed: Do not request action on a post that you have asked or answered. because we had other versions that included so many corner cases that we simply gave up and didn't really see the need for it.
rene was still typing
 
Yeah I can't see nothing wrong specially in low-traffic tags ask for help to close a duplicate (even if you have an answer on the target). If its a valid duplicate it's valid if not it's not.
 
rene is done typing
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lol
 
@PetterFriberg Except double negatives :P
 
1:09 PM
That's not a double negative
 
Often also users help out, since they need help in their home turf, it's not many of us that go SO wide searching for question to close that has nothing really to do with our normal SO activity.
 
@JanDvorak can't see anything wrong
 
Oops, sorry, I missed that one.
I thought you meant "if not it's not"
 
Sorry, been teaching my kids grammar so they don't sound like cretins
 
Never apologize for being a grammar nazi
 
1:13 PM
@Machavity lol, next time warn them "sound like Petter"
 
@Machavity they are being english lieutenants?
 
@rene Alright. I took the current formulation to be inaccurate.
 
anyway I hate grammar that's crap, what counts is how many languages you can speak and understand.. :D, grammar or no grammar...
 
It is a troll, safe to nuke
 
In my opinion, this is r/a (trolling), because it's his first post.
 
1:17 PM
unreg user, so abusive probably ok, but I would watch out if they at least write something you understand. Not that sdfsdf is much different from Harry Potter but NAA is safer...
 
@Louis I searched a bit in the repo and this is what we started with 21. Please refrain from asking for moderating actions from the room if you have a stake in the Q/A pair but that turned out to be too broad and not consistently enforceable with debates like: hey, I see you have created the 3rd revision on that low score answer with 42 revisions on the duplicate you just cv-pls-ed, you have a stake in the Q/A pair, that is not allowed
 
@siguza On this question the script lies softwareengineering.stackexchange.com/q/122569/104338
 
@QPaysTaxes you have one of those play hammers that kids use alongside their parents to think they're actually doing the hammering :-D
like the kids with the steering wheels images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/…
Heh, I still love that this considers me a high activity user while only having recorded 1 answer stackoverflow.com/users/tag-future/2756409
 
@TylerH page not found
 
1:29 PM
aww you can only see your own
 
What does up to 0 of their answers could have been considered when the predictor was last updated mean?
 
@rene I get the need for an edit. However, since the original goal was to deflect accusations that the room acts as as a "you scratch my back, I scratch yours" ring, I see requests for closure that close questions as duplicates of a question the requester answered falling into the same bucket as requests to act on "post that [the requester] has asked or answered".
 
@NathanOliver it means at the time of the last run (way back in Jan 2014) you had 0 answers
this page relies on a manual script that has not been run since then
I remember Shog or someone talking about it on Meta or in chat a few years ago
 
@Louis sure but the RO team also decided that we first want to be called out on meta for such behavior AND everybody agrees we are a bunch of back scratching individuals before coming up with rules. This doesn't mean we are going to provoke meta but it also means we stop with those what-if virtual meta question debates and the stoopid rulez that exercise produces
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1:41 PM
@rene I must have missed the Meta complaint that justifies the current rule.
 
Speaking about what-it questions:
> So you want to give endangered whales powerful electric shocks. Great! I'm happy to help. This is definitely a very normal thing to want to do.
 
@Braiam scope unclear
this = helping people? or this = giving endangered whales powerful electric shocks
:-P
 
hmm. The question is a resource request though so it does ask for spam
 
@RiggsFolly another one for your hammer ^^
 
@NathanOliver timing seems to indicate bad question posted with the express purpose of allowing spam answer to be posted
 
1:46 PM
@QPaysTaxes doing that though does nuke a legitimate user.
 
@NathanOliver what is legitimate on what user?
 
They do have a real question
the user posting the link only answers
 
Apparently we learned nothing
 
morning!
 
Hiya gunr
@SmokeDetector undone
 
"I have this working code, but I want it to be faster. Please help."
 
basically the question is not "legit", since the only purpose was allowing the spam answer to be posted
 
\o/
 
Woot
 
1:52 PM
good
odd that it wasn't the case before
 
@Braiam obviously since the user self deleted the answers they are not a spammer. spammers do not do that. They person just does not quite get how the site works yet. We don't need to nuke users like that but guide them.
 
?????
That's what they want you to think!
 
Whatever, I have yet to see a spammer do that
 
That they are "not a spammer" because they "does not quite get how the site works yet"
@NathanOliver SU has plenty of those
 
@Louis In my opinion asking a question to be closed as a dupe of one I've answered is not a "scratch my back" scenario, even if I'm the only one who has answered the target. It's a matter of a duplicate question being closed, period.
 
If someone finds a better duplicate, that's fine; one shouldn't demand a question be closed as a dupe of their choice over a particular alternative just because, obviously
 
2:06 PM
 
2:26 PM
@QPaysTaxes I have a suggested edit there to fix that
so weird suggesting an edit
 
2:43 PM
@Louis sure, still my guts say that rule is sane and needed. But feel free to put an item on the future room meeting agenda
 
@QPaysTaxes cppreference says it is in <limits.h> here
 
3:00 PM
@NathanOliver You noticed the -15 at the meta? OP did not make clear it is a programming question.
o/
 
@QPaysTaxes It is a little misleading I'll give you that but it does clearly say it is in limits.h :)
@Olaf Hadn't seen it was a -15. was at -2 when I pinged. Just wanted to let you know in case you wanted to weigh in
 
Can anyone explain this to me, I don't understand what the OP is saying?
 
@Lankymart he thinks the accepted answer is worthy of a bounty
he found it really helpful so wants to reward the answerer with more than +10 rep
 
@NathanOliver thanks, but all all said imo. Not clear if OP was aware about the RFC before the answer.
 
@TylerH smells like a help vampire to me, they don't even realise what tech they are using...the linked question is even worse.
 
3:08 PM
@Lankymart I think you might find he is a lot more aware than it appears
that user has earned several 10ks of rep
he just constantly bounties it all away on helpful answers
 
@Lankymart Not sure about that. The user has given away almost 10k rep in the last year with bounties
 
user4639281
@Lankymart So... how exactly does the code do anything once the page has loaded?
 
@Lankymart clay is a good guy, you sometimes need a bit of a flexible brain to comprehend what their asking or what their comments mean.
 
I would think that is the opposite of a help vampire.
lol
 
@SmokeDetector I went NAA, left a comment
 
3:18 PM
The code makes no sense, he's amalgamating old Classic ASP style method of working in ASP.Net compiled code. He even called the thing VBScript, when it's clear it's compiled code (from the error messages).
 
user4639281
It's an attempted answer, removed the spammy link
 
@QPaysTaxes all that tells me is they are generous and probably been around a while, I'd have to go through their profile to form a different opinion.
 
@Lankymart where do they claim they have ASP.NET? Your re-tags seem wrong based on what I see.
 
@rene OMG, what is it in your opinion then?
 
asp-classic with vbscript
asp-classic made sense
 
3:27 PM
@rene really so this will work in VBScript then Dim IsNewBusiness As Boolean?
@rene I kind of made my point for me, neither him or those helping seem to know the difference.
 
@Lankymart yes, that is valid VBScript
 
@Lankymart I think it does and if it doesn't it probably tries anyway
and if it doesn't it probably tries anyway
 
@TylerH No, you try running that in VBScript (not VB, VBA or VB.Net) it will fail with a syntax error because VBScript is typeless.
 
@rene good old VB
@Lankymart You mean to say you think VBScript doesn't support things like Boolean, int, etc?
VBScript Variants can be Booleans and any other normal data type
 
@TylerH I don't think, I know...it's a typeless scripting language everything is a Variant or subtype of that.
@TylerH yes but you don't declare it like a strongly type variable As Boolean will not work.
 
user4639281
3:33 PM
If everyone disagrees with you, it's unlikely (but not impossible) that everyone else is wrong.
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user4639281
Anyways, the answerer stated that they were rusty in VBScript and that some bugs may have to be worked out
 
@TinyGiant I code VBScript every day it will not run.
 
@TinyGiant I don't use VBScript but I've seen it several times. It's not unlikely that Lankymart is correct and I'm not
 
@TinyGiant Yeah, but the OP is using ASP.Net it isn't even VBScript, so whether they are rusty or not is irrelevant.
 
I'm just surprised that it differs so much from the rest of the VB family in this regard
if what Lanky says is true
 
user4639281
3:36 PM
@TylerH I wasn't saying that anyone was wrong or right, hell everyone might be right. What a day that would be
 
@TinyGiant Every day is that day if you're Donald Trump :-D
 
user4639281
:P
 
@TylerH we can always @EricLippert he wrote it.
 
let's
well he probably has written about it before
(why everything's a variant in vbscript)
also why wouldn't it just intelligently ignore any "as Boolean" bits that follow variable declarations then
 
Experience has shown that programming languages that do what the programmer meant never do what the programmer meant.
 
3:42 PM
Plus his other linked question has a "compilation error", VBScript is not compiled it is a runtime scripting language. Also the source of the error points to a aspx file which is ASP.Net.
While they share common syntax they are not the same thing, but so many incorrectly assume they are and constantly mash VB.Net with VB, VBA and VBScript same goes for ASP.Net and Classic ASP (originally just ASP).
It's equivalent to someone posting a load of java and calling it javascript.
@TinyGiant everyone else is wrong in this instance. ;-)
 
@SmokeDetector not sure. I at least posted a URL-comment,
 
4:00 PM
wow cv overload! O.o
I get raked over hot coals for doing that...
 
@PetterFriberg If interested, Roomba Forecaster scrapes the page for needed Q data & passes it to the rest of the script as if it was from an API call. It has a hidden option to select screen scraping or do an SE API call. Scraping is faster. It only scrapes the information it needs, but that could be expanded. Currently, it scrapes the data from deleted posts, but doesn't pass it to the rest of the script (per API).
 
Hmm.. 2,282 questions asked - 413 answers given... so not a hv then because they bounty there rep away? ok then ... :|
 
@Lankymart either let it go or bring it to meta.
 
4:15 PM
What happened to that "we don't discuss users" rule?
 
that was "we don't moderate users"
 
@JanDvorak yeah I got that...
 
@Floern this seems like a programming problem with a script?
 
@rene "Now this morning I ran it again and it worked"
The script seems to be "alright", but something in the system changed and he doesn't know what
 
OK
 
(probably the VM correctly binded the network interface, or something)
Personally, I would use unclear instead: the conditions that prevented the script from running were obliterated by a random reboot, which took along any possible diagnostic information about why it wasn't working in first place
 
Look for a few people to test a new version of the socvr.org website. If interested head to the testing room
 
4:54 PM
I'll make you super angsty
 
Sam
lol
 
you won't like me when I'm angry angsty
 
Sam
5:15 PM
 
5:46 PM
 
user1593881
Hello all, may the power of embedded systems guide you through these turbulent times.
 
user1593881
What qualifies a blacklisted site?
 
@RawN May you never run out of memory
 
user1593881
@Machavity Much obliged.
 
@RawN You mean like SD's blacklist?
 
5:52 PM
@RawN The maintainers have a list of sites that are blacklisted. Generally stuff gets on it when it has been used in validated spam
 
user1593881
@Machavity yep @NathanOliver ok
 
user1593881
I miss SO. And my desktop machine. :(
 
Hello!
 
user1593881
o/
 
5:56 PM
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