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10:00 PM
Yes.
 
Oh noes. What should I do now?
 
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All my precious codez :)
 
gratz :)
 
@hakre downvoted :)
 
That guy has super-powers: can answer closed questions: stackoverflow.com/a/14061867/367456
 
That's just 1337
 
@PeeHaa no, it's 31337 even
 
:-D
 
10:05 PM
@Servy: I would prefer if you didn't phrase it like that. We have many different problems than the rest of SO has as well. So the things that work well for say [C#] don't really work as well for [PHP]. One of the reasons is the shear number of new users that the PHP tag sees. Users that ask basic questions over and over and over. Users that ignore search and just try to re-ask things. We've found a good solution to that problem. So if that's disregarding the many guidelines that the rest of SO follows, it's for good reason (those guidelines weren't working)... — ircmaxell 10 secs ago
 
Anonymous
I am still banned from asking questions in SE, for supposedly asking poor question. I have improved a lot of things, but still no hope
 
@hakre that is not a duplicate. the errors are completely different....
 
Don't worry people, I'm back, you can all relax now
:-P
Evening
 
For discussion
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Q: General Reference questions create low-quality dead ends for Googlers

PekkaIntroducing a "general reference" close reason was rejected by Jeff and Joel for fears of abuse. Jeff said in a comment: Joel is very concerned it will be abused. I have concerns as well, since many programmers are of the "cannot abide a single atom of duplication in the omniverse" OCD varie...

AND UPVOTING (jk)
Evening @DaveRandom!
 
TIL: If you enter your Samba password incorrectly enough times, and Samba can write to the password store, it will lock out your account by replacing the password hash with a series of Xs.
Thus why half the blasted office can't log into the fileserver! ARGH!
 
10:17 PM
@Pekka Good evening sir! How is life treating your fine self?
 
@DaveRandom busy, quite well, thank you! I hope you had a nice Christmas?
 
@Pekka Too much driving but generally all good. Also too much eating but you can't reasonably complain about that...
 
@DaveRandom Yo!
 
@PeeHaa Evening sir, I see you have managed to get a theoretical green light on the database stuff. We just need to come up with something to do with it now...
 
@DaveRandom nice! Re eating, yeah. It seems somehow inevitable every Christmas.
 
10:20 PM
@Pekka I think Joel's concern about geeks shutting down stupid questions RTFM style is real. Unfortunately it's real because is a cesspool of bad questions. I think we could easily close a third to half of the questions closed every day as general reference, and I'm not yet at peace with this...
 
I have to say though, I still don't really like turkey. It's just not very interesting. I'd rather just have 2 chickens :O
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@DaveRandom Yeps. But first things first. More beer and try to finish my server install :P
 
@Neal Without the first question, there wouldn't be the second. Exact duplicate, the answer to the first question just caused the second, which means the answer to the first was practically wrong. Therefore practically a dupe even if technically not. Humand factors, you need to keep them into account.
 
@ircmaxell sorry :/ doing vids isn't my thing. sounds like too much effort for too little gain
 
@NikiC That's why when I created a movie, it was generated automatically.
 
10:26 PM
@Pekka I think it's a noble crusade you are on but I suspect it will be a fruitless one. I think the effort needs to go in to persuading the community that canonical questions are a good idea, and possibly to try and introduce a little flexibility on the site-wide rules in certain tags that attract a lot of crappy content.
 
@NikiC Eih, actually they are less effort than a blog post...
 
That reminds me, do we have a canonical "Here's how not to use mail()" question?
 
Well that movie was far more work than a blog-post. Took half a year or so.
 
@PeeHaa Yeh I'm planning to redo one of my boxes over the weekend, it's running on Fedora core 6 and I think it might be a little outdated by now :-P but it's been working and doing whatever I ask it to so I've just left it be, but I have decided to bite the bullet and nuke it, just moved the last site onto another box last night. I think I might go for FreeBSD this time but I'm having trouble deciding...
 
@DaveRandom yeah, it's probably not going to lead to anything... @Charles yeah, amen to that. And true, people would probably be tempted to misuse the close reason to close low-quality questions (that are kinda "General Reference" but not in the sense it should be used here) that's a clear and present danger
 
10:33 PM
@DaveRandom You better be prepared for a lot of "Ow fuck I didn't think about that one" or "Crap totally forgot that one" moments
 
To the people downvoting this answer: this answer is completely correct. This is far more likely to be the reason your use of mysql_real_escape_string is going to be compromised than my answer below. This belongs as the accepted answer (but both can live together)... — ircmaxell 29 secs ago
 
@ircmaxell They are? Just from listening to your random rants here in chat making videos isn't a particularly pleasant experience (especially on OSX^^)
 
@PeeHaa Meh, that's my life on a daily basis :-D
 
@Pekka There's also a slight difference between "How do I do X when I haven't RTFM'd", "What does this error mean and I haven't Googled," "Why am I getting this error and I haven't Googled," and "Debug my code for me." The first two could be General Reference, while I still would think that the last two are Too Localized, even though an RTFM might help the user. None of it matters one iota though: stupid users will continue to be stupid.
 
@NikiC No, the long ones are a PITA, but the short ones are simple. The most recent one (Responsive Web Design) took about 20 minutes to cut up...
 
10:37 PM
@Charles true. What a "General Reference" close reason would change is that we could officially point to the correct manual, which is valuable for those generations who arrive at the question later (because it [wrongfully] occupies a high Google rank due to SO's search engine juice). But the end result won't change, garbage stays garbage
 
@ircmaxell ...but that kind of inject isn't possible with mysql_query() (is it?)
you can only execute one query at once, the DROP TABLE would be ignored
 
@Pekka Exactly. We could go out of our way to create a canonical answer for all of the frequent problems, and it'd get us nowhere because the people that ask questions that would get closed as dupes wouldn't bother doing research first. It might help a bit with the Googling, but I'm not sure. It'd also be a challenge to try and consistently dupe questions. The helps a little...
 
@DaveRandom The details of it, sure. But the concept is correct
 
@ircmaxell Did I already bitch around about not liking your answer at all?
 
@NikiC Yes. Which is why I posted that comment. It got -6 since I posted mine... I don't want that (in fact, I'd rather have it be higher upvoted than mine)
 
10:41 PM
@ircmaxell Fair dos, could do with a more realistic example, will try and think of one because as it stands the answer is (kind of) wrong - not conceptually but in the demonstration
 
@DaveRandom edited that in, check it out
 
@ircmaxell I would really appreciate it if the subsubsubsubsubsub text would be less subsubsubsubsubsub. Preferably even big, so people realize that this is a very narrow and unlikely attack
 
@ircmaxell Oh nice one, that's a nice easy to understand example as well
 
@NikiC Ok, I'll change that. I added it for comedic effect, but you raise valid points
@NikiC: fixed
 
@ircmaxell Thanks
 
11:18 PM
@NikiC I just read that as pubsubhubbub
 
user1125394
pubsubdaboob
 
11:36 PM
Yay. Just spend 2.5 hours hunting a non existing bug!
 

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