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7:00 PM
@salathe ditto
 
What I said is just still obvious in the south of the US... We all wanna act like race and sex doesn't play into business choices, but it definitely does
 
Who's running for president this year?
 
goes back to the religious debate in SOCVR
 
so bcz there's been a black president and the first female ever running for president in a major party that means that it's gone in all of society?
 
Anonymous
Rabbit is talking about company presidents being white etc.. A lot of your career success is about your background. If you're a president of a company 9/10 you had a privileged background. Privileged backgrounds are more common for the white race why? Because other races were not given the chance of a privileged background in history. I.e. White people have had longer to 'build' themselves up.
 
7:01 PM
While I agree there's a lot of social injustice. I'm less likely to point the finger at "BECAUSE BOOBS" and more because "You scratch my back and I will scratch yours", stemming from a history of "Because boobs!"
 
agreed
 
@Fabor Jill Stein, Gary Johnson ... and then a clown and a criminal
 
but it's still there, and looking at my company, I have to say it plays heavily still...
women hold all the secretary jobs in my company and all the customer care reps are female but one
all VP's are male
 
@Fabor So a quid pro quo boob scratching? Count me in!
 
lol
 
7:03 PM
there is only one non-white person in my building, and afaik, only one in the whole company of about 250ppl
 
Well that's the society live in. Not like anything will change by sharing an angry post on facebook.
 
@rabbitguy why is it important?
 
it shows that some ppl are limited in this company's eyes as to what positions they can have
 
@rabbitguy so, the "working from 07:00 till 21:00" has nothing to do with it
 
@tereško that's the second bit: women are generally more physically constrained, and usually put in "family maintenance" roles out of work
so being successful is easier for white sociopaths like myself
 
7:06 PM
@tereško I'm saying if you had a white male working long hours, producing, and you had a non-white non-male doing the same thing here, the white male will have a much better chance of advancing than the other
 
I also don't buy that out of a company that size the only people willing to work their ass off are white. And I also don't believe that all those white employees are working their ass off.
 
@Ocramius which is kinda my point. The women who are successful in corporate structure are the ones who almost always have no family
 
@tereško agree on that, but the point is simply admitting that there is privilege. Women also have an automatic-trigger (hormones) that rings "OH MY GOD YOU ARE 34 AND YOU STILL HAVEN'T POPPED A BABY!"
 
Glass ceiling or something
 
@tereško That's a bunch of bullshit.
 
7:09 PM
Is this really the best place for this discussion? It's boring as fuck
 
I'm with @Jimbo
/me off
 
kk...
nvm, heh
 
To clarify, no it's not. And I'm going to do something that you can do f* all about; here, at a conference, anywhere in real life. I'm walking away. See ya!
 
@Jimbo Diversity in tech is a pretty big topic. If other stuff was going on, then sure maybe. But it seems to be a dead moment and if we always avoid talking about this kind of stuff because it makes us feel uncomfortable we'll never solve anything. If a gathering of tech professionals isn't a place to discuss it where is?
 
Marissa and Sheryl both had a family and were even pregnant on the job. I'd say they were both more successful than you and I put together. The truth there are people that bitch and moan about being underprivileged and then there are people that just don't have time to bitch and moan, because they're busy working very hard.
 
7:11 PM
My piece is gonna end at that because my wife and I are going out on the town ;) But I don't think these conversations should be avoided because they're "boring" or difficult
 
@Ocramius corporation has no morals and no feelings. You cant have two years off and "flexible schedule", while having the same advancement. The spreadsheet pusher dont care.
@Sherif Marissa. The Marissa?
 
@Ocramius if deprecate, for 7.1
 
who the fuck is Marissa and why should I care?
 
@tereško I'm aware, that's why the entire tech bubble is so upset :-)
@NikiC good for me
 
can we talk about php now? I didn't want to piss off ppl with casual chatting
 
7:13 PM
@tereško She's the one who finished Yahoo off
 
@tereško Marissa Mayer, yes.
@NikiC Meh, Yahoo was dead long before she came along.
 
@Sherif yeah, the person that also argues that if you don't kill yourself in a startup you are a loser :D
Great example of a person with amazing morals
 
@Ocramius Not sure what that has to do with the topic though.
 
@rabbitguy E_INTERNET
 
Nothing, it just shows the underlying problem that VPs are just sharks, and tbh, most women I know have much more empathy than I'll ever manage to have or even stand
 
7:15 PM
I'll never be a shark. Not bothered about that either.
 
@Ocramius social justice dos not care about biology :) Biology is a social construct.
 
@DaveRandom is a banana.
6
 
@tereško yeh, that pretty much sums up the discussion, I'd say.
 
have a star
 
My point is people who want to work hard and be successful will find a way. Even if that means sitting around and complaining that they are underprivileged because Y chromosome or because color of skin.
Stop thinking everyone is out to get you and just focus on doing good work. It all pays off in the end. Not everyone is being persecuted.
 
7:17 PM
anyone use thetileapp.com and/or have any useful opinions about it?
 
@DaveRandom wondering about it as well. I just got a mywalli wallet, and it SUCKS.
keeps telling me that I forgot my wallet even though I have it in the same pocket as my phone...
so.. not sure if tech is good enough yet
 
I might buy a single one for my keys (which I misplace a lot) and see how I get on with it
 
@DaveRandom if you do, lemme know. I really need to replace this silly wallet with something working :P
I just hate the fact that you need to re-buy them every year
 
@Ocramius tech is good enough. The issue is that you got a cheap thing, that uses 5 year old hardware
 
will see how much shipping is
 
7:19 PM
@tereško think so? uses the same hardware presented in the OSS version of it
 
@DaveRandom hrm.... that looks interesting
 
I am talking about chips.
 
yesh
 
hell, most of the IoT is built on 15 year old chips
 
I'm curious if those tile batteries really do last a year, and what do they mean by "fraction of the cost" when you swap them out?
 
7:22 PM
Anyway, thetileapp.com has some really good reviews on Amazon, compared to all others
 
Ekn
have a stronger beverage, everyone.
 
^dat
 
< beer
 
And also, noite, all o/
 
Why do birds... suddenly appear.
 
7:29 PM
context?
 
@tereško You don't know the Carpenters?
 
nope
but I know Nirvana
 
But you gotta know the classics
 
sherif: my kinda music there :)
but I just like music, so you could have put Metallica up there and I would have also enjoyed it :)
 
@rabbitguy Seriously? Metallica?
At least @tereško actually picked a band with some musical culture
 
7:35 PM
I don't limit myself to a genre of music. If the music invokes an emotional response, if I feel what they are trying to tell me, then yeah, I consider it good music
 
I play cello. I've played that before :)
many many times
 
but you cant listen to it, because it was made by white male
 
lol... someone's butthurt bcz a white male was noticing white privilege in his lil southern american town
 
7:38 PM
@Linus That's some depressing music man
 
@Sherif I am actually guilty for popularizing that band here
:P
 
Makes me wanna kill myself, resurrect myself, and then kill myself again.
 
:P
 
But what do I know about music :/
 
btw, what are people cutting themselves to in 2016?
 
7:39 PM
hahahaha
 
@tereško meta-cutting
 
:D have you at some point just searched all my youtube links in the chat?
 
Ekn
@Ocramius huh?
 
cutting yourself because of people cutting themselves
 
Ekn
7:41 PM
Oh lol okay..
 
my 13yo daughter loves her some Twenty-One Pilots... Honestly not too bad for music
 
@tereško these are two links you have suggested to me
 
What animal would you resurrect yourself as?
 
sounds stupid, but the music my children are picking on their own helps me ot believe I am a good parent. They are picking good music overall
 
@Fabor human
 
7:42 PM
beat me to it
 
$string = "aaa";
$pattern = "aa";

Pattern match count should = 2; How can I achieve this in PHP?
 
@SaiKiranSripada preg_match_all
 
/[a]{2}/ .. probably
 
Functional programmer: (noun) One who names variables "x", names functions "f", and names code patterns "zygohistomorphic prepromorphism"
 
@bwoebi I'm fiddling with Aerys, in particular the chat demo. Now for a single chat that makes sense, but let's say I wanted to create a new chat via a POST call. How should I approach?
 
7:47 PM
Hello everyone,
If I have

preg_replace('/case1/', 'case1', $string);
preg_replace('/Case2/', 'Case2', $string);

Is there a way I can combine both regex?
 
btw tereško more collection like those above????
 
@hello What have you tried so far?
 
@Linus as in "slow, with metal roots" ?
 
yeah and everything you suggest.
 
Ekn
that made me think playlist.room11.org could have been something
but y'all are lazy :p
 
7:53 PM
yo
 
o/
 
@Ekn You could always make it :P
But it'd be hell on Fridays
 
@Ekn congrats on your mom
 
Ekn
o/ thanks
@Fabor true
 
7:56 PM
thanks :) /me plugged headphones
 
Ekn
glad it wasn't The Solitude
 
heh
binge?
 
Ekn
binge.
 
@Linus a bit more towards harder spectum: youtube.com/watch?v=GEpwdGSWslk
 
i never heard those band before suggesting by you where did you find those :D
 
8:08 PM
well ... I dont know
 
@tereško btw are you talking abt this youtube.com/watch?v=rRZYP09FT2E ?
 
keep in mind, those are "ballad" like songs from bands, that usually play a lot heavier style
 
sure thanks once more......
 
@Linus not bad, but not what I am currently listening. I would place it somewhere in vicinity of Linkin Park's "Hybrid theory" album (as in - when they still were good, and I was a lot younger)
 
Heya, does anyone know of a good routing library / framework that still supports 5.3?
 
8:13 PM
here is another for you :) .. the associated band is "Godsmack", genre: hard rock
 
:) thanks tereško
 
@WilliamGeorge 5.3?
 
@Fabor - Hey buddy :) Yeah, archaic server engineers over this way.
 
And you can't at least 5.4?
 
8:21 PM
Man, that's... beyond disappointing. Security concerns alone. :-/
 
That's what I said.
 
@Ocramius I'd like to know what happens if you add 7-compatible nullables (i.e.: Type $a = null)
 
@NikiC Was FastRoute always built for 5.4+?
 
@WilliamGeorge what did they say back?
 
nm looks like it.
 
8:23 PM
@Ocramius That's surprising... not sure what would be going on there. Might not be related to my changes.
 
@WilliamGeorge pick any router that supported it and checkout the branch/version you need
 
@WilliamGeorge Is it a big system?
 
but wtf is up with the version?
 
Tib
$url = array_filter( explode('/', $_SERVER['REQUEST_URI'])); echo $url[0]; //nothing echo $url[1]; //the first word in the url
 
- No very light weight rest services
 
8:24 PM
@Ocramius Should I drop the ? from __toString() as well, since it will also cause BC issues. /cc @NikiC
 
Tib
$url = array_filter( explode('/', $_SERVER['REQUEST_URI'])); array_shift($url); echo $url[0]; //nothing echo $url[1]; //nothing
WHY?
 
Man, just update it. You've tried it on 5.4?
 
@rabbitguy - They have some other code that their not updating, don't want to update, without first fixing their shit!
@NikiC Did FastRoute ever support 5.3
 
Tib
In the first case, count($url) is 1, in the second one returns 0
 
@WilliamGeorge upgrade
 
8:26 PM
@WilliamGeorge XY tbh. Fix the real issue which is them. What's the point in building for 5.3 to just have to update later again.
 
@RonniSkansing - Corporation Politics, I'm afraid. - I'm with you though.
 
Tib
Can someone help me?
 
Find some 5.3 security vulnerabilities and point them out to the people above their heads.
Then remind them 7.0=> is fast
Then fire them -_-
 
Tib
array_shift should pop off the first element in an array, shouldn't it?
 
@WilliamGeorge buh
=)
!!php var_dump(array_shift([1,2]));
 
8:28 PM
@fabor Yeah - They're now Java guys :( This says it all
 
@WilliamGeorge no
 
Tell them @NikiC said no.
2
Then give us the URL of the service the 5.3 code is on. -_-
 
yay hanz over the url to the malicious peeps!
 
Ekn
for research purposes
 
Tib
array(1) { [1]=> string(4) "blog" } . This is the result of $url = array_filter( explode('/', $_SERVER['REQUEST_URI']))
 
8:31 PM
Yes. yes. rubs hands together
 
Tib
why the first index is not 0?
How to fix it?
 
You guys are funny.
- Cheers anyway, thanks for trying, that pretty much confirms my answer
 
@WilliamGeorge You can probably go through routers on packagist.org
 
@Fabor - Yeah worth a shout
 
btw, @Ekn, have you listened to old "Flowing Tears" albums?
 
8:34 PM
@fabor - This looks like it'll do: github.com/sdicgdev/router thanks for the idea :)
 
Accidentally opening a program (from pinned) has got to be in my top 5 most annoying PC things.
@WilliamGeorge Don't say that, I feel dirty enough... 5.3 :P
 
(like "Jade" and "Joy parade" )
 
Ekn
this one
I would try to play these
 
not that old :)
 
Tib
array(1) { [1]=> string(4) "blog" } . This is the result of $url = array_filter( explode('/', $_SERVER['REQUEST_URI'])) why the first index is not 0? How to fix it?
 
8:40 PM
more like this and this, @Ekn .. it's a bit odd band I found from about the same time as when Moonspell was going through their "depeche mode phase"
 
Tib
eddai ma quanto devo aspettare per un piccolo aiuto
help me
 
no
 
Ekn
@tereško yeah, I hear what you mean
 
I kinda missed all of it, since I got a stable internet connection couple years after millennium
Paradise Lost was playing around with their style too
 
Ekn
;-)
 
8:48 PM
@Ocramius oh, you've been doing some go?
 
You guys need some better taste in music. Like this
 
@salathe dat ignore button tho'.
 
@Fabor yeee-nope, I will stick to metal + post rock + baroque
 
+ j-pop
Pon Pon Pon!
 
Ekn
I hate markup.
 
8:53 PM
public service announcement - holding a leaving do for someone who is having an incy wincy teeny tiny, emotional breakdown is less fun than you would hope.
/and it wasn't my leaving do.
 
@Ekn Such cheats -_- 406
@Danack Story time?
 
@Fabor one for phpnw.
 
@Fabor reminds me about this video youtube.com/watch?v=VFpdnMHfkto
:D
watch more than 40s
 
@Danack :'( I'll be in Thailand
These guys sound familiar
 
For a 'thing' ?
anyway - one for not online.
 
8:56 PM
I like it tbh @tereško :P
 
I too :D
 
@Danack For my own (early) mid-life crisis :P
I quit my job and (am) selling all my possessions.
Y'know @tereško I also really like Babymetal - The One. Can't speak for the rest of their music but this song is awesome.
 
@Fabor How much is your missus going for?
uh oh
 
btw ... you get a one guess which manga/anime that previous video was attached to
 
@Jimbo lol. I'll let her valuate herself. I still like my her as a friend. She is a good person.
@tereško I'd say Death Note but who knows.
 
8:59 PM
What's the meaning of "Oh, my condolences" ?
 
:D
 
@Shafizadeh Something people typically say if someone has passed away.
"Sorry for your loss", "My condolences"
 
Now what's the meaning of "passed away" ? :-)
 
.. or when you get assigned to CodeIgniter poject
 
Died
 
9:00 PM
@Fabor oh ... thx
 
lol @tereško
 
@tereško :)
 
@tereško Honestly, I have been listening to a lot of smooth house recently via soundcloud.
 
basically, you say it when something really bad happened to someone else and you want to show that you empathize
 
9:04 PM
@Fabor sounds like less fun version of youtube.com/watch?v=tSRObg9ugWs
 
These guys seem good. babymetal is huuuge though
 
nope, not here
 
These guys are a math-core band
 
I have never liked math-core
it confuses me
 
Yeah, more of a fascination but I though Trictot were decent.
 
9:09 PM
I cant give an objective opinion
 
rather by definition
 
Wes
TIL
 
you cant?!?!
 
Wes
nop
 
you can do that and expect it to charge, but that doesn't mean that it will
 
9:13 PM
@PaulCrovella granted \
 
for instance, I expect to drive home today and make it there alive, but that doesn't mean I will... I could get involved in an accident and die
 
I guess I should have said "I cant give you a well thought out opinion"
 
Wes
this was kinda legit though
 
awesome!
lol
 
@Linus , here, have another one: youtube.com/watch?v=w3QLnOIOF64
(I assume you know the band called "Tool" whose cover this is)
 
9:28 PM
Has anyone here used Aerys and has something opensource with it?
 
Ekn
not sure if that's Haeckel herself there on the video
 
I should probably get music sorted actually. :-/
Mixtape gunna be straight fire!
 
@Ekn should be
 
Ekn
dangerous looks
 
9:40 PM
Time for an emergency milk run
 
Wes
brit? you made tea and you don't have milk?
 
Who drinks tea with milk...
 
Wes
brits?
 
^ Bingo
I now have milk and am in the process of making tea.
Making this the highlight of my day. \o/
 
wtf
then brits don't understand tea
 
9:51 PM
There's many varieties of acceptable tea. This is just one.
 
@Trowski seems like the safest solution for now
sorry for jeopardizing the entire thing. I guess deprecating __toString is indeed the way to go...
 
Wes
@NikiC tea with milk is disgusting, eh? could never like that
but i like tea with lemon a lot
 
and honey/sugar?
 
@NikiC you want to get colonised? 'Cos that's how you get colonised.
 
Wes
ahaha
 
Ekn
9:55 PM
I'd go with the former.
 
Wes
sugar only, or brown sugar
 
Lemon and Honey is indeed lovely by it's pretty dang bad for your teeth.
Acid + Sugar combo
 
Ekn
true
 
Dentists be like $_$
 
Wes
this explains why brits have bad teeth
 
9:56 PM
If you like it though, head up Mt. Elbrus. It's pretty much all there is to drink
 
Wes
wut?
 
It's the tallest mountain in Europe. They serve you a LOT of hot water + lemon
 
Ekn
the dormant volcano?
 
Aye
It's a little steep pic
 
DELETE FROM dolar WHERE (date LIKE '%2016-07-26%' AND alis NOT LIKE '3,0513') OR (date LIKE '%2016-07-26%' AND alis NOT LIKE '3,0213') Hello this delete all values of 206-07-2016. what is my error? could you help me
 
10:00 PM
and it makes for interesting camping
 
Wes
i don't like being cold
 
Never been colder in my entire life then when setting up those tents.
That photo and video was the same day, so you can see what I was wearing.
Oh wait, sorry video was the next morning
Actually 3 Polish guys froze to death the week before we camped there I believe.
 
Guys, someone is wrong on the internet: stackoverflow.com/questions/39048084/…
 
Wes
i went in nepal and tibet @Fabor been there? :B did no hiking, with trucks
i suggest anyone to try that. wonderful wonderful places
 
I've been to Nepal. Did Everest Base Camp. Not Tibet though
 
Wes
10:11 PM
tibet is like 1960 soviet union. time has stopped there, there are villages and nobody is around
quite surreal but beautiful
 
Yeah, i'll go someday.
 
Wes
best part was the trip though, there is like one single road to go to tibet from nepal and it's a fantastic route
 
@kelunik Will the code you used for the old Chatrooms you guys had be opensource at any point?
@Wes Mountainous I imagine?
 
Wes
lol, yeah, just slightly :D
when did you had your trip? how hard it is traveling there these days?
 
BaseCamp was 2012. Was in a group so stupidly easy. But Previous visits to Asia are fine. I have a pretty large comfort zone. And being anywhere that makes me feel uncomfortable is good for expanding that further.
 
Wes
10:20 PM
for some reason we had to land in bangladesh, then pass through india to get to nepal. we couldn't land in india or nepal directly for political reasons i don't remember
 
Sounds like bureaucracy
 
Wes
bangladesh/indian border is actually dangerous even today i think
 
@Ocramius At this point I think I agree. Casting an object to generate code is hacky anyway... but it was the only way to do it before now.
 
Yesh
 
I was trying my best to make it backward and forward compatible, but I just don't think that's possible.
 
10:22 PM
Anyway, off to bed. FrOsCon tomorrow.
 
Have fun! night.
 
@Trowski no problem, thanks for the support in this.
 
Wes
because bangladesh immigrants constantly trying to get into india, i think
 
Wes
10:38 PM
been a week into "modern" js. still have no clue of what i'm doing
 
> I'll defer any personal commentary, since this phenomenon appears to occur in a separate reality with which I am not familiar.
 
Wes
i'll need garlic, silver bullets and shit now
 
Starbound it is
 
Ekn
I have no idea what that first video was...
 
10:54 PM
Hive minded subjects
Incapable of independent thought so they latch on to a strict set of rules and guidelines outlined by society. Sheep on the yellow brick road.
 
@Danack what the fuck did I watch just now
 
Or just a bunch of weird sorority girls.
 
Ekn
understated
 
You guys watching Mr. Robot?
 
@Fabor I must admit, it was fascinating ... in the same way "a worm coming out of an eyeball" is fascinating
 
10:57 PM
@tereško heh.
 
@Fabor yeah but it's getting weird 2nd series
 
It feels slow on season 2, enjoying it though.
 
yeah same
 

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