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11:00 PM
@Abe Yeh that was just silly
 
Abe
@DaveRandom if they can fit a v12 lamborghini in a fiat 500, they can certainly do that as well
i laugh every time.
 
WTF
 
@bwoebi I sincerely doubt anyone here is old enough to have ever seen a merlin doing anything in production, it's a legendary thing in it's own right... in the same way that you've presumably heard of the Spitfire, the Focker Wolf and even the Ford Model T... they are landmark achievements
 
@DaveRandom Only heard of the Ford Model T…
 
11:03 PM
Wow I can't spell
 
Abe
i imagine it falling in pieces just by accelerating
 
@Abe that horror
 
Abe
@bwoebi though, even if you don't consider BTTF the delorean is still one of the most beautiful cars ever made
 
@bwoebi was referring to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermarine_Spitfire en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focke-Wulf_Ta_154 specifically, WW2 basically advanced the worlds of engineering (as well as computing) more in 5 years than they'd come in that previous 50
 
LGL
I hate when I'm stuck on a question for 1 week :(
 
11:06 PM
@LGL just put 42 and move on
 
LGL
@DaveRandom WTH is 42?
 
the answer
 
Abe
lol
 
LGL
lol
 
/me dies a little inside
@LGL Google "HHGTTG" and I'll see you in a week or so when you've finished reading
 
Abe
11:07 PM
or use @JoeWatkins's shrug operator @LGL
 
LGL
@DaveRandom HHGTTG lol Why f do i need that?
 
@DaveRandom yeah, looks like that's the only good thing about military (especially wars)… sponsoring technological advance and new jobs…
 
LGL
_(ツ)_/
@Abe Why do we need a _(ツ)_/?
lol
 
@DaveRandom does one have to have read that?
 
LGL
I'm going to call David Axmark and ask him to solve my problem
 
11:11 PM
@bwoebi Pretty well known at this point. I realise audio-only podcasts maybe somewhat logistically challenging for you but if you can I highly recommend you listen to bbc.co.uk/programmes/b049y9pj, very interesting debate on the subject
 
@bwoebi not "need" but I've yet to meet someone who tells me they don't like it... either they love it or have not read it
And there are a lot of pop/subculture refs to various parts of it
 
@DaveRandom somewhat logistically challenging is a very nice way to say it ;-D
 
@Abe Ahh yeh I recall reading about that thing somewhere
 
Abe
youtube.com/watch?v=wJn7LHE83cc top gear @DaveRandom :P
 
LGL
11:13 PM
I just need super MySQL user, who is that person? :'(
 
@bwoebi I'm not sure of the extent of the issue :-/
 
Abe
god i'm gonna miss clarkson
 
@DaveRandom look up cochlear implant.
 
@LGL Please ask question rather than asking someone to help before they know the question ;-)
 
LGL
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Q: MySQL haversine formula return incorrect distance when LEFT JOIN, HAVING and ORDER BY combined

LGLI have a query where I would like to receive a data base on user location (Haversibe Formula), but in some cases user have the option to sort the data by either distance only or with posts.time DESC. Currently I get data by distance or distance with posts.time DESC, but when I do a LEFT JOIN in...

 
11:15 PM
i going to hate microsoft -.-
 
@bwoebi have or need? I'm aware of what they are although not sure the extent of the improvement with current tech... also obviously highly subjective and difficult to relate to for me, the worst I've ever had is glue ear and that is when I was about 4 so don't remember it
 
LGL
@DaveRandom yeah for my problem, I need a super MySQL user. I read so many doc since last week, nothing I can integrate with my query
 
i want uninstall visual studio (my installation is corrupt) and the uninstall progress break with errors >.>
 
@DaveRandom have.
 
I do have a friend who got a burst eardrum while playing football and had some skin grafted from his arse. Needless to say, he gets the piss taken out of him a lot. He reckons it's basically 100% of original hearing though.
@bwoebi Again, highly subjective and possibly somewhat personal question, but interested to know how much of a difference you would estimate that it makes?
(feel free to decline to discuss further if you wish)
 
11:18 PM
@DaveRandom nah, won't decline…
 
@LGL What is your data, what result do you want and what have you got that doesn't do what you want?
...essentially it's a lot easier to answer a question after you ask it :-P
 
@DaveRandom I'd call it quite a big difference… It's hard to describe… best to describe it is actual numbers
like I'm doing three tests…
 
That's the thing, I have no idea how one would derive such numbers, because it's so subjective it doesn't really seem measurable, and somehow straight measurements of electrical activity don't seem like a good metric to me
 
- when do I begin to hear
- how much of the single-syllabe words I identify correctly at 65 db
- how loud noise can be relative to short "sentences" of 5 words in order for me to hear about 50%
 
LGL
@DaveRandom I explain what data i get in each Scenario i use the query.
but if you see the first data i get, is incorrect, I shouldn't get longer distance if user radius is 20 miles. @DaveRandom
 
11:22 PM
ofc. this is not something I know very much about so I'm essentially expressing my theory and backing it up with all manner of opinions
 
- ±20 db
- 85%-90%
- ±-0,5-0 db
 
LGL
its cool, I'm willing to put bounty for it.
 
@bwoebi Aside from the obvious caveat that this is highly dependent on grasp of language these seem reasonable to me... I imagine that German is easier than French? More "hard" sounds, kind of more abrasive when spoken, seems like it would cut through more?
 
@DaveRandom actually, electric activity measurements are to register when my brain begins to notice, which is quite reliable. The hard part is finding the values where it's moderately loud and too loud.
 
@bwoebi 65dB seems pretty quiet according to the highly unscientific test I just did with my speakers, 85-90% doesn't seem too bad :-)
 
11:25 PM
@DaveRandom It actually depends a lot on how much information is squeezed into small frequency bands.
 
Ahh, like DSL. Now there's a thing I can actually grasp.
 
@DaveRandom just that normal people hear 100%, or just have one single miss occasionally ;-D … even at like 45 db
 
Maybe I need a hearing test...
 
@DaveRandom you rather have to compare it to mp3…
that's IMO a better analogy
 
idk, sounds to me more like rare-band frequency trimming rather than selective frequency compression
but then I suppose you are better placed than I to make such observations :-P
 
11:28 PM
@DaveRandom nah, I mean, mp3 is averaging information in neighboring frequencies
 
@LGL Sorry did you post a question link somewhere? I can't see it?
or sqlfiddle or sth
 
and that's what's happening for me too… I have only like a 22 electrode in my cochlear. Then I get averaged values in, so that it sounds the most similar to the real world.
It's basically hearing at reduced information.
 
LGL
@DaveRandom Yes, right here stackoverflow.com/questions/32319810/…
 
And thus languages where sounds are similar (frequency-range wise) are usually harder to hear for me.
 
hey bob, I've got a really weird code coverage report from phpdbg, but I'm not sure how to detect if it's just phpunit code coverage render messing up:
 
11:31 PM
@bwoebi Yes this technique is known as "selective frequency compression" (sometimes "frequency amalgamation") in telephony, whereas DSL uses "rare-band frequency trimming" (i.e. cut the top and bottom freqs that are usually inaudible/not reproduced very well by telephone speakers) and shoving extra data into those filtered bands
So yeh, sounds like you're right and I misunderstood what you were saying
 
@marcio AFAIK, there's an open issue about anon classes in phpunit.
 
@LGL If you remove the HAVING do you get the correct data, only too much of it?
 
ok, posted wrong screen shot but I'll dig the issue
ah, that's the issue
 
I suspect that an outer query might be a quick fix, it would be inefficient but I doubt you have enough rows for it to matter
 
@DaveRandom I believe I have something from a bit over 100 Hz to 8-10 kHz … not 100% sure… I usually see these numbers on the monitor of the technician when he's configuring it…
 
LGL
11:35 PM
@DaveRandom if i remove HAVING, is 1st data result. it gives me the 126 miles distance still
 
@bwoebi 100Hz is barely audible to anyone, you feel that kind of freq rather than hear it, I've no idea what the average upper limit is though
 
@DaveRandom uh, most people hear 70 Hz
 
LGL
You mean LEFT OUTER JOIN ?
 
@LGL Give me a few minutes to knock up a sandbox
 
especially young people can hear the current on badly isolated cables… (50 Hz)
 
LGL
11:38 PM
Sure, Thank you.
 
@LGL No I just meant SELECT * FROM (SELECT ...) WHERE...
moment
@bwoebi Not true but one moment
@bwoebi No you feel it in your cranial cavity rather than hear it, I'm trying to find a paper I read about this
 
@DaveRandom it's true, you just have to be very close…
 
LGL
Sure, I thought of that as well, It didn't work @DaveRandom
 
@DaveRandom that's called bone conduction
but that usually only works when it's a bit louder.
 
@bwoebi What people hear in this case is usually 200Hz because of stacked resonance from the copper transit medium, same paper, give me 5 mins to find it I know I have a PDF of it somewhere
 
LGL
11:41 PM
but i didn't do *, i just did SELECT id FROM() and LEFT JOIN()
 
@LGL Yeh the * was just to demonstrate the structure, you should basically never SELECT * (but that's another story)
 
LGL
Exactly it would be so much pain later. :/
 
ahh ffs @LGL trying to do too many things at once, can you knock up an sqlfiddle?
 
LGL
Sure
 
That bone conduction is btw. a reason why I'm usually speaking a tad louder when not having my implant… Up to the point where I hear myself…
 
11:45 PM
@bwoebi Do you sign much?
 
For me it's like I'm always speaking equally loud… but in reality I'm actually speaking louder than I perceive…
@DaveRandom hmm? What do you mean?
 
@bwoebi I assumed (possibly wrongly) that you at least read sign lang, just wondered if one would keep using it if it weren't "necessary", as it were
Learning sign language has always been on that list of things to do that I never get to
 
Nah, never learnt that.
 
@bwoebi I can't find that doc it's lost in my badly organised filing system, when I come across it I'll ping it to you, it's about using resonance in the nasal cavity to bypass the eardrum and send signals directly into the auditory nerves (turns out everyone already does this) but it also anecdotally documents a bunch of really weird experiments that were done in the 60s-70s related to how proximity to a lot of electrical activity affects the nervous system in general
it's a geniunely great read, quite engagingly written for what's basically a scientific paper
 
@DaveRandom yeah, that's generally bone conduction.
 
11:59 PM
Also there's something that I imagine is in the same place written by the guy who wrote pretty much on his own the image processing library that basically every automated number plate recognition system uses, this also stands out as some really dry material made really interesting by a good writer
 
Not implausible that the nasal cavity is helping there…
 

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