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11:00 PM
And that's why I Centos.
 
s/fanatical/childish
 
@Danack In all honesty I use centos because I get shit done the fastest with it
':D
 
centos is nice for putting on other people servers
if it's not for me, then there is no point to invest any more time then strictly necessary
 
*sigh*
 * BE CAREFUL not to use this code to "fix" "broken" Serial Numbers.  If it shipped with a "wrong" number, it has to keep
 * that "wrong" number for the rest of eternity, unless *you* want to fix it and then notify the customer.  Yeah, didn't
 * think so.  This is why it's called "normalize NEW number," not "go back in history and correct idiocy."
I hate this codebase. HATE.
 
heheheh
 
11:06 PM
@Charles wow .. this opens an entirely new dimension of "asshole"
 
@Charles Ignoring the fact that someone wrote code that could generate invalid serial numbers, not changing IDs that have already been sent to clients is not an unreasonable business rule.
 
@Danack Hahahaha, GENERATE numbers
You're funny.
No, HUMANS assign them.
The format validation that was done was ... incorrect.
 
why_would_you_do_that.jpg
 
So we had one guy enter "ABC 1234" and then the next guy entered "ABC01235" ....
and then someone comes along and created "ABC1234" and then KABOOM
 
Yeah, that's the wtf, not the fact that once a client has that serial it can't be changed...
 
11:08 PM
@Danack Creation date on the ticket I'm handling is about six months after my hire date. Eight years ago.
 
lol
 
The responsible people were politiced out a long time ago.
 
you have been working in the same place for 7 years ?
you mad , bro
 
^ that
 
You ought to complain to the IT manager ;-)
 
11:09 PM
such loyal
 
@Danack GUESS MY JOB TITLE.
 
I looked it up.
 
heh
 
@Charles junior developer ?
 
@tereško Job security, yo.
 
11:10 PM
if I had to stay at the same job for 3 years, I would spork myself
 
As it happens, I've done a different set of things here every few years, as yeah, it does get old.
I quit PHPing for a while because the then-dev-team had their head up their asses and wouldn't, oh, I dunno, follow sane modern practices because they took too long and made life too difficult.
There is no room for cowboy coders in any serious business project.
 
@Charles My previous job was about cowboys and monkeys
 
So the pile of technical debt kept growing and growing and growing, and then management wonders why "well, I mean, yes, that feature does sound simple, but I basically have to rewrite the entire world to make it work correctly."
 
since I am only one in the current company who even knows what "modern practices" are, I am mostly doing the cowboy-thing
 
@PeeHaa Monkeypatching or in the Shakespearean sense?
 
11:13 PM
In the flinging poo sense probably.
 
@tereško Time to forcefully, violently reeducate your coworkers?
 
@Charles it takes time
 
@Charles The first for sure
@Danack lul
 
Ahahahah aw man I forgot about the hard-coded support for intentionally bogus serial numbers due to systematic failure to recognize build projects that won't generate an actual thing that will have a serial...
The hatred is flowing through me. When do I get my force lightning?
 
11:26 PM
@PeeHaa Why not cv-dupe against the answer there?
 
Ow missed that one. Do it please :)
 
Hammer'd
 
\o/
Or even better use a class structure. include('search.php'); $search = new Search($q);Jonathon Wisnoski Apr 27 '13 at 16:20
wtf ^
 
Classes, classes everywhere.
 
Just throw in some class and it is instant magical shit!
 
11:31 PM
@PeeHaa Wait... that's not how OOP works?
WHAT HAVE I BEEN DOING THIS WHOLE TIME?!
 
Dude. I always thought you knew what you were doing...
NOOB!
 
@PeeHaa What the hell gave you that idea?
 
Your avatar is a dawg. Nuff said
Damn now I feel like I should add an answer to that dupe. Tnx @Charles...
Neh fook it. I'm too lazy atm. Maybe I will see the thing again in a couple of months :P
 
Ya know, @DaveRandom's avatar has a dog in it too and he sometimes can fool people into believing he knows what he's talking about. Maybe you're onto something.
 
@cspray Are you saying @DaveRandom's kid looks like a dawg?? ;-)
GET HIM CHRIS! :P
 
11:35 PM
@PeeHaa Did he update his avatar recently?
 
Nope :)
 
Or maybe I'm thinking of somebody else
 
@lusitanian
 
I blame all the work and my lack of participation in the room
 
I blame those too :)
 
11:38 PM
I'm also not writing very much PHP lately
Which makes me sad :(
And makes my presence in this room during work hours even more questionable
 
@cspray it does?
 
@DaveRandom No, no it doesn't
 
:-P
 
What do you do @cspray?/
 
I'm clearly not putting the right names with the right avatar's
@PeeHaa I'm still developing web applications, just not in PHP
Well, not primarily in PHP
 
11:39 PM
I think you mean @Lusitanian prb
 
I do have to muck around in a legacy CI system
 
sounds like fun :P
 
Which isn't actually all that fun
 
:D
 
Better than the last system I worked in
By about a bajillion times though
 
11:40 PM
And if you aren't dicking around in PHP what do you use?
 
@PeeHaa Ruby
 
Ruby or RoR?
 
@Charles sigh
 
RoR then.
 
Not by my choice but RoR
Hey, a man's gotta eat
And feed his wife
 
11:42 PM
Dunno, sometimes I'd take RoR just for exposure to a completely different type of insane shit than the usual you find in PHP land...
Gotta keep the WTF-per-second rate up, after all.
 
The insane shit is a little bit different
I'm quickly growing a serious loathing of ActiveRecord though
There are some aspects of Ruby that I like. Although going from interfaces and type-hinting to duck typing has been a huge mental leap for me.
 
There's no type hinting?
That's unexpected.
 
@Charles Yea, no type hinting
It is just... weird
 
Do you just have to check for methods existing all the time?
 
no ^
 
11:49 PM
Not really
You can either send the method in a way that it fails gracefully if the method doesn't exist
 
That's what duck typing is all about. You assume that if the programmer is stupid they break shit.
 
Or you just assume the person passing in shit knows what their doing and they won't pass in shit that'll break it
Tests become waaay more important imo.
 
That makes me uncomfortable.
 
Its really quite freeing in some ways, you experience the same by just writing a JS application of any size
 
@Charles It makes me uncomfortable too
 
11:50 PM
Or writing some code for PHP 4
 
@DaveRandom Yea, I guess I haven't gotten to the "freeing" stage I just see it is as nerve-wracking
 
I know what you mean, but at some point you just kind of learn to let go, trust yourself and stick two fingers up at everyone else
As long as you doc everything, you have done your job
 
You're also depending on the authors of the libraries that you use to not be stupid and be reasonable in what methods they expect an object to respond to
It goes both ways really
 
@cspray that's true, it helps that I tend to reinvent every imaginable wheel
 
Well, if nothing else RoR has exposed me to Ruby and a different way of thinking
And also the aforementioned "eating" thing
 

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