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3:02 PM
@Tiffany did you grant it myphpadmin rights?
 
8 hours 57 minutes
Thanks for the review @Gordon
Sun->Cloud->Hard Rain->Sun. Basically the last hour of weather.
 
@Fabor Sounds like the weather here in the south. We have a saying... If you don't like the weather here, just a wait a minute
 
Ekn
it's 25C here today too, I guess spring is finally on it's way down here.
 
I have seen many times in the fall whereby we experience all four seasons in a single day, from Tornadoes to snowfall to flooding rains to heat indexes over 100F in less than 24 hours
 
@rabbitguy Sounds like Minnesota to me...
 
3:15 PM
yup
 
This is going to be the weekend of purge. I am a little curious how much stuff I will get to throw out. (Everything the charity shops don't want).
 
@Ekn it's 21*C here - we are calling it "summer"
 
Ekn
heh
tomorrow is going to be even hotter but then rainy days will follow.. it's dang cold at night still
 
yo11
o/
 
Anonymous
3:19 PM
@PeeHaa It's a shame that you're going to be inside playing rust ..
 
o/
lol
 
I like colds night tbh. Prefer being inside a blanket than out.
And you burn more calories in the cold. An insignificant amount :P
 
@JayIsTooCommon I'm preparing for a weekend full of dope :P
 
3:22 PM
!!urban dope
 
[ Dope ] People who do not do drugs call Marajuanna Dope. People who do Marajuanna call Heroin Dope. Word has also been used to describe how good somthing is.
 
dope'azz'ness
 
Anonymous
nevermind
 
You really need to urban that?
 
Ekn
wat lol
 
3:22 PM
:D
 
Well dope to me is heroin.
Though I don't smoke either.
 
weakling
 
Ekn
:D
 
@PeeHaa I'd rather eat it given the chance but it's just not really appealed. The cookies/brownies look amazing though.
I get high on life!
 
pfffff
 
3:24 PM
hipster
 
I hate people who say that
 
@Fabor I like cold nights, but I prefer to hear the crickets outside and I prefer long days to short cold ones...
 
"life"? is that what they're calling MDMA these days?
 
I honestly hate the winters
 
@PaulCrovella lol
 
Ekn
3:25 PM
^^++
 
@PaulCrovella baahahahahahah
 
I like how it's almost always 24-30C here.
Hits 40 in Summer. Falls to 10 in winter.
 
/me lives in Quebec
 
user895378
morning
 
user895378
@Trowski @bwoebi moar websocket talk added
 
3:26 PM
you don't know what winter is
 
I think MDMA would be my chosen drug if I was to take anything. Statistically pretty safe and just makes you affectionate and happy. Or so I hear.
 
user895378
@Fabor it's the best
 
user895378
Hypothetically.
 
that guy is right you know
trust me
 
@Fabor I am a fan of meth :P
But tbh I am not too proud to not do something else
 
3:27 PM
i hate math
 
Ekn
expected that
 
Math. Not even once
 
@Fabor one of the nice things about it is you never lose control.. alcohol, lsd, even too much pot can leave you without 100% of your faculties
 
I wouldn't try it abroad though. Don't really fancy some Thai jail. -_-
Mushrooms are 2nd on the list.
 
@PeeHaa If there is a drug that will be my end it is that drug... I hope I never touch it again. :(((
 
3:32 PM
yeah, meth is awful
 
user895378
@Fabor Yeah I'm a big proponent of consuming things like a grown-up. With planning. In my house. With appropriate company if mdma is involved.
 
Yeah. My rule is "If it doesn't hurt anyone else, go for it.". Similar.
 
particularly for mushrooms/lsd - (mind)set and setting are critical.. ya gotta be in a comfortable place
in your home or if you're a hiker well out into nature away from sober people
 
user895378
@Trowski I would be much more amenable to Observable in general if these lines:
 
user895378
3:35 PM
> If the function returns an awaitable, back-pressure is applied to the awaitable until the returned awaitable is resolved.
 
user895378
could be updated to:
 
@rdlowrey Yeah... that's not correct, there's some typos there.
 
user895378
If the function returns an awaitable or a coroutine that resolves to an awaitable, back-pressure is applied to the awaitable until the returned awaitable is resolved.
 
@rdlowrey So I'm not sure where to allow magical upgrading of Generators to Coroutines and where not to...
 
user895378
Basically I just want observables to be "co-routine aware"
 
3:37 PM
@rabbitguy Yeah. you need to be good at it to use it :P
 
Ekn
huh, last phpstorm update broke my babel file watcher somehow
 
user895378
I don't think it should be magical ... we should still need to do coroutine($f)
 
@Fabor better acid though
Much nicer
 
user895378
well, actually i don't know now ...
 
user895378
I hate the magic but it makes things like this way easier to implement :/
 
3:37 PM
I never knew room 11 was so bad mmmmmm'kay :P
 
@PeeHaa pretty different.. no?
 
@rdlowrey $observable->subscribe(coroutine(function () { yield ... }));
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier Much less chaotic
 
room 11 is very triggering and can cause PTSD
 
@PeeHaa that may be the case, but I have yet to meet anyone who can party w/that drug regularly and it not eventually mess up their life, even when the law was NOT involved
 
3:38 PM
yeah. and more introspective
or "calm"
 
@rabbitguy I don't think I can still do it on a regular basis. I'm not in school anymore :)
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier "calm introspection" ... also known as "lying to yourself"
 
@PeeHaa that's not true in my experience.. acid can go super-swingy a lot easier than mushrooms
 
last time I touched it, I went through $500 worth in three days, I didn't eat for over a week, I didn't sleep for 5 days, and I have a permanent scar on the tip of my tongue where I basically bit it off as my "nervous twitch"...
 
user895378
3:40 PM
@Trowski yeah the only issue with that is I might not want that coroutine to be treated like backpressure
 
@PaulCrovella Really? Shrooms always have some bad vibe for me
 
user895378
I might just want the coroutine to make my life easier but not pause receipt of websocket data until it finishes
 
@rdlowrey $observable->subscribe(wrap(function () { yield ... }));
 
7 mins ago, by Félix Gagnon-Grenier
you kids
 
I go into a state called "stimulant psychosis" and forget pretty much everything I do while on it. I am still discovering things I did during the bing
 
3:41 PM
(not the serious people)
 
shrooms never hit me... You and I could split a bag. you'll trip balls, and I'll be complaining that they didn't hit (which they never do).
 
user895378
@Trowski right, but how do I apply backpressure from that?
 
@rabbitguy I would totally hold you to that saying
 
user895378
because it can't return an awaitable
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier watch out, bcz ppl always say that, and then they offer free shrooms, we split the bag, they hit, I just sit there doing nothing all night long
 
3:42 PM
@rdlowrey That doesn't apply back-pressure, that was the point.
 
every time
 
@PeeHaa yeah. my guess is you had a less than stellar trip at some point early on with shrooms - the memory/anxiety can predispose you to worse trips later
 
Your song of the day is Twenty One Pilots - Heathens.
 
I am epileptic, so I am curious if my brain chemistry just doesn't work for whatever reason
 
@PaulCrovella Never really gone full bad. Just don't like it too much
 
3:42 PM
LSD? no problem... shrooms? nope
 
@rabbitguy "sit there doing nothing" yeah that's pretty much it :p
 
lol
 
user895378
@Trowski haha i understand but what If I want to apply back pressure but don't know that until I'm inside the generator
 
brb more beer
 
user895378
Now I have to wrap a thing inside another thing to achieve that and it's messy
 
3:44 PM
Hello peeps.
 
@rdlowrey Yes, then you'd have to wrap that in a function returning an awaitable that you can control with more granularity.
 
> I want to apply back pressure but don't know that until I'm inside the generator
Now I have to wrap a thing inside another thing to achieve that and it's messy
please, someone, say something witty^
:D
 
s/the generator/@PeeHaa's mom/
 
@tereško One very happy camper, php running perfectly ...
 
user895378
@Trowski yeah that's all I was trying to suss out in my head. Trying to come up with a generic websocket API that makes that easy for people.
 
3:45 PM
@iain nice to hear
what was the issue?
 
php running perfectly
 
@rdlowrey I'm going to post something shortly.
 
user895378
so that they can just set an optional "buffered data size" value in the initial configuration so the lib provides that functionality for them and auto-applies the backpressure when a certain threshold is reached to push back on receiving more until the client can catch up
 
user895378
cool
 
It was creating the group that solved the problem, so access privileges, all seems logical in hindsight.
You will laugh when I explain what I did this morning though; I managed to remove myself from the sudo group so I turned white when I realized that I could no longer access root privileges; thought I'd need to reinstall the whole system; a bit of an emotional roller-coaster but all good in the end.
Happy to have apache serving html, but locked out of my own system :/ I will remember it well ...
 
3:51 PM
that can be easily solved in future: set a password for root
 
I solved it with the grub boot option which allows you in as root
 
that way you can locally log in the root account without going through "sudo"
 
can that be done on ubuntu?
 
sudo passwd
that will set a password for root
 
ah ok
accessed by su?
 
3:53 PM
when you have root password set, you can either use su or log in directly
 
cool that works straight off.
so much misinformation on the net...
done and dusted, thanks.
 
but you have to make sure that /etc/ssh/sshd_config has "PermitRootLogin no"
or "PermitRootLogin prohibit-password"
 
What does that do?
block the sudo, I suppose?
 
it stops you from being able to log in with root via SSH
 
or stop the acess to root from grub?
 
3:57 PM
no
 
ah ok, very good to know
 
sshd_config only applies to SSH
 
I am going to make a note of that and check straight away.
 
Quick proposal of what I was thinking.
 
@tereško The drop to root option on the advanced boot options seem a little precarious though, I was a little surprised by that.
 
4:01 PM
it's not a "root option"
it's called "single user mode"
 
hoi!
 
and it possible to disable it
 
Well I was very glad to discover it this morning to be honest.
But on a professional server I guess that it would be a concern. Not that you would need any dual boot, I suppose ... I guess just a concern when using grub in that way.
 
@iain to boot into single user mode, you need a direct access to the physical machine
that's what locked doors are for
 
Ah ha, yes of course.
 
user895378
4:08 PM
@Trowski k, posted some quick thoughts, will update with moar interface :)
 
@tereško or remote console/kvm
 
@PaulCrovella and how will you access that remote console?
 
... remotely?
runs away
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier if your VPS control panel has been compromised, then you have larger problems than that
 
@rabbitguy I don't think I did. I checked the permissions I gave the account and crossreferenced it to the production server. the account on the production server has access to % hosts, which is what I'll need to change the other account to
 
4:10 PM
@tereško remotely. it's another machine.
 
well, I find apache to be a much more agreeable experience on linux than on windows, now that it is running; It just feel like less of a hack, no offense to any windows aficionados intended. Now back to getting my head around weaving code in and out of html tags, and much head scratching and a little contemplation.
 
@PaulCrovella that would require physical access to the network, since VMs will be running in a separate NAT ... and if your VMs can break out of the sandbox, again - you have a larger problem
@iain on windows it either works or it doesn't .. and if it doesn't you probably will have no idea where to even begin fixing it
you have issues with apache on linux too, but in case of linux, the fixing process was quite straight forward
 
I hate not knowing what is going on, and the environment is conducive to exactly that on windows; made no sense to me, here it feels like a real piece of equipment. Interesting to read tat there are was to assist multi-threading, at least that is what I gathered. That must seriously help out when running a live web server.
 
Is this any good? m.imdb.com/title/tt5446858
 
hmm, looks interesting and 7,8/10 on IMDB is not bad, not bad at all.
 
4:18 PM
I don't trust imdb ratings :)
 
@tereško Well, it would seem that I have no sshd_config file, there is an ssh_config though.
 
@PeeHaa you should
!!should PeeHaa trust imdb ratings or not?
 
@PeeHaa should trust imdb ratings.
 
there you go
 
man, I'm great at asking bad questions on SO, but at least I'm getting answers
 
4:19 PM
^^
lol
 
@PeeHaa You shouldn't always trust low ratings on IMDB, but anything that high is probably really worth it as most IMDB users are pretty critical.
 
@tereško a remote console plugs directly into the box via serial or usb (or maybe something else now, I haven't touch one in years).. my point was that you physically don't need access to a box to bring it up in single user mode if you have the hardware set up for remote management
 
Ekn
 
no no @PeeHaa You don't get to watching anything till you watch Peep Show first
 
4:23 PM
Ah, I only have client installed not server, that must be the reason for that ...
 
@Gordon Yes but we'd a GLR parser instead of an LR parser.
That's definitely not desirable.
 
@Ekn yeah twas ok
 
The leading caret is what removes the ambiguity.
 
@Fabor I have seen a couple of episodes, but got distracted by other stuff
 
406
 
4:29 PM
@Fabor not sure fi you saw, but thanks for your help
@Fabor I got the database imported via CLI
 
@Tiffany np
 
Hey guys, I'm trying to setup a single page course website - anybody know an easy CMS that also supports file uploads?
 
Nope
 
@Mikhail respondcms.com
only thing I know of
I need to update a mysql user to have access to '%' hosts. I don't want to grant privileges to it. Judging by this question: serverfault.com/questions/483339/… I can GRANT USAGE ON '%' TO 'username'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY PASSWORD 'xxx'; should this do what I need?
crickets
 
4:45 PM
respond is pretty good but I can't remove the header or footer
Sitecake looked good but I couldn't figure out how to upload files
wait it costs money
 
lovely. someone learning english as a second language has suddenly decided to suggest edits to "fixed grammer"
 
@PaulCrovella love it
 
> Either drunk or under the influence of some other substance. Should not be allowed near the edit button anymore
 
if "goochle trenslete" isn't a thing it should be
4
 
@PaulCrovella fixed the second one
 
4:57 PM
I fixed it too
 
:P
 
dat moment when the teacher starts asking question, and you are gonna be asked one, just after one guy, and suddenly the bell rings.... phew
 
lo
 
@Saitama I am totally not a role model, but I dropped out of school.
 
4:59 PM
Who needs school anyway
 
:P
 
=)
my school time was a waste of time, entirely my own fault
 
yeah same here :P
 
Dunno if I would call it a waste. Had fun.
 
5:08 PM
@Jimbo thanks :)
and evenin all
 
Ekn
'nin
 
Mornus
 
I made sure to not waste my school time by minimizing it, focusing instead on extracurricular activities.
 
Too bad they didn't count towards any of the grades :P
 
@Fabor same here
 
5:11 PM
actually school was useful. I learned that marijuana does make time pass slower, and that macho guys will get the girls, whatever equalitarian bullshit people say about according importance to sensibility and respect
 
* still having fun
 
@rdlowrey waaah… I wasn't here and you spammed … let me catch up :-D
 
I certainly didn't perform well at school though.
 
@PeeHaa I'm not even sure I got grades.
 
:D
 
user895378
5:12 PM
@bwoebi haha I have another much more polished websocket api coming soon ...
 
I'm so happy the two of you are back together. @rdlowrey, @bwoebi has been like a lost puppy without you.
 
user895378
this is what happens when I take time off work lol
 
user895378
But I'm about to start using this async stuff heavily at work so I'll be much more involved again
 
Good. I don't want him moping again.
 
5:17 PM
@rdlowrey Would be awesome if you could be paid to contribute to Amp.
 
@PeeHaa reason? tb?
 
php is different when using wordpress :P
 
... I might have derailed a bit ...
 
what in the holy crap is that answer
 
> PhP is commonly different when using Wordpress.
wth?
 
5:19 PM
@Saitama either that or unclear or no code no help
 
dude wtf with all these indian guys poping out of thin air
 
user895378
@Trowski The problem is that the php web sapi creates all kinds of problems for a distributed microservice environment running in containers in a modern infrastructure with stateless instances coming up and down all the time. I'm finding that it's unsustainable and if I want to continue using PHP to develop I have no choice but a standalone async stack. Hence I have no choice but to invest heavily in getting amp/aerys/etc to industrial production-grade quickly
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier s/popping/pooping
I blame @Linus :P
 
wrong ping :P
 
5:20 PM
:P
 
:'D
 
<3
 
user895378
yeah sorry @Saitama, new message sniped my click :)
 
np ;-)
 
user895378
That fucking @PeeHaa guy.
 
5:21 PM
@FélixGagnon-Grenier poping
 
user895378
Always ruining everything.
 
@rdlowrey I think we're almost there...
 
@rdlowrey Wrong ping...
 
Anonymous
@PeeHaa oi
 
:D
 
user895378
5:21 PM
<3 <3 <3 @PeeHaa
 
@rdlowrey When talking about @PeeHaa pings are always intended.
 
lol. The nice thing about it is that SO for some reason re-enabled the actual sound notifications for me :D
wow ^
 
the funny part is that @Pee actually pings @PeeHaa
 
Anonymous
5:22 PM
@Pee pings @PeeHaa ? /one more for luck
 
yeah, I think that @Pee ping @PeeHaa
 
wow you are kinda annoying :P
 
@PeeHaa @Pee's on @PeeHaa
 
I'm hangover and can't work for the life of me
.... so it means I have to annoy @PeeHaa
 
Anonymous
5:24 PM
Don't annoy @PeeHaa, it's not very nice
 
nice
careful, I fear he will get the kicking machine out
 
@Pee on that kicking machine to show domination
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier about whom you talking :P
 
oh wait. I forgot I can do something \o/
 
the ones on the question @Linus :). You're pretty okay in my book!
 
5:26 PM
ah thanks ;)
 
This room was placed in timeout for 5 seconds; muhahaha
 
Ekn
lol
 
lol
 
...
 
hjaahahahha
 
5:26 PM
:P
 
:P
 
!!ban 508666 5m
 
User is banned.
 
!!ban list
 
5234642 (2017-01-27 13:17:36), 508666 (2016-08-25 17:32:21)
 
5:27 PM
meh, we can't see the usernames
 
I should probably do that yeah
 
Anonymous
Care to share?
 
that's peehaa
 
+2
 
I have hardcoded myself to prevent his ;-)
 
Anonymous
5:28 PM
Hah
 
Anonymous
Gross PeeHaa..
 
!!dad
 
Don't trust atoms They make up everything
 
alsho you're ids is prettay neats @PeeHaa
there's a 666 in it
 
ikr
 
5:29 PM
@rdlowrey I've given my feedback to current state, please consider it before posting your new API.
 
Anonymous
Sure that's not @tereško's?
 
anyone working on the ncurses extension for php 7? if so your one user needs help
 
@JayIsTooCommon yeah, pretty sure.
oh
gets the joke
 
user895378
@bwoebi just spammed with moar. Keep commenting lol. I do like @Trowski's idea of resolving the listen observable with the close information (though that's not included in my latest post).
 
@PaulCrovella yeah that thing never gets love
 
user895378
5:30 PM
Going to take a walk. Be back in a little over an hour or so.
 
Anonymous
Wish I could just 'take a walk' in NY..
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier he went through a period where that # was an issue
 
@rdlowrey question: do you need the ability to see all frames for anything apart debugging?
 
user895378
@bwoebi nope, just for debugging purposes. It's valuable info IMO
 
5:35 PM
Can we then not just have a separate method for seeing them all?
 
user895378
Or if I'm using the client to test a server implementation, for example
 
when I realize SO actually uses tables for layout
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier nobody cares anymore
 
Ḓ̤͙̭̩͈͖̙̺̗̮̠̗̰̗̣̥͈o̱̖̙͚̻̩͍̩u̻̪̜͚̤̠̜̤̙̲̰̥c͇̩͈͚̤̝̫̫̖̥̞̗͍̣͎h͎̠͇̺͎̗̮̼̮̳̯̺̥͔̰̬ͅe̤̠̫̹‌​̱̫͙
 
user895378
@bwoebi well that's what I proposed in one of the earlier posts in the thread ...
 
5:36 PM
:D
 
@rdlowrey e.g. watchAll(callable($opcode, $payload))?
 
user895378
or listen() for consuming only data frames vs. watch() for consuming all frames
 
@rdlowrey you mean s/data frames/messages/
 
user895378
yes, you're right.
 
user895378
We still have to optionally allow the setting of a maximum buffer size at which we emit partial "messages" even if they aren't complete yet from a protocol perspective though
 
user895378
5:39 PM
Anyway, really going out for a bit now. Be back in < 2 hours :)
 
@rdlowrey Could also just disconnect. I think that's how many impl. handle this problem.
Rather inflexible though, but most websockets are sending small messages.
 
user895378
@Trowski yeah but it's a valid use-case ... I might have a server that sends really large frames of data because the protocol allows it and I just process it as a data stream
 
zalgo message moved to bin
@rdlowrey enjoy. Later :-)
 
@rdlowrey Hmm... yeah... maybe there's something elegant we can come up with there. Go for your walk. :)
 
@Trowski the solution is really to just yield to get all the data. Can't be that hard.
Actually… There's a case we have to respect. Improper closing of a connection
So, might be better to just always throw on closing no matter what
Thus @rdlowrey 's initial proposal of
foreach ($websocket->listen() as $nextDataPromise) {
    $data = yield $nextDataPromise;
maybe wasn't that bad, if we anyway have to throw
but API looks then like:
try {
    foreach ($ws->listen() as $message) {
        $payload = yield $message;
    }
} catch (Websocket\RemoteException $e) {
}
 
5:51 PM
@bwoebi That would fail the observable.
 
@Trowski right.
 
@bwoebi This solution has to throw even on proper closing.
 
@Trowski only when the server closes
 
@bwoebi Right... which is perfectly acceptable.
It shouldn't be exceptional.
 
@Trowski that's debatable
 
5:52 PM
Depends on how the app is written.
 
The server might close because he unexpectedly shuts down and closes
 
Plus just yielding messages provides no back-pressure on receiving messages.
 
He also might close because task done
@Trowski it doesn't?
 
@bwoebi If it did, you're just implementing Observables again... at which point just use it, that's why it's there.
 
$websocket->listen() is a Generator here
 
5:59 PM
@bwoebi Yep. And how would you implement that Generator to include back-pressure?
 

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