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Ekn
6:05 PM
em, I'm sure there are exceptions but mostly the title they put is like "Programador PHP, MySql, Frameworks Jquery y Codeigniter. Gran aficionado"
 
@MadaraUchiha polymorphism has nothing to do with classes
 
It's been pouring outside for >6 hours now...
 
@bwoebi No, it has to do with selecting an appropriate implementation without a consumer knowing or caring
 
@MadaraUchiha yes.
 
I used classes as an example because this is the PHP room.
But JS can have perfectly good polymorphism without classes or interfaces.
 
6:10 PM
yes.
 
@tereško Model View Duck
Revolutionary.
 
Wes
as long it's not Dick, i'm fine with it
evenings :B
 
This room is always a great resource for making up acronym meanings.
 
6:22 PM
mostly john tho (john doe?)
 
Rmeoved
 
-.-
 
Man that's a lot lewder than I remember
 
6:23 PM
!!urban lewder
 
whatchoo talkin bout willis
 
cleanup in aisle 11?
 
YEah...
Lewd = crude but in a more sexual way FTR
 
Things that are rude need to meet a certain funny/rude ratio....
 
6:26 PM
Yeah, that was definitely a "You had to be there" quote.
 
Wes
6:39 PM
@MadaraUchiha gotta love comics in black and white with characters changing face in every table
 
@Wes Hmm?
 
Wes
i can't tell who is saying what, as their faces are always different
and i have no color hint to determine who's speaking, as everything is black and white
so stupid
 
Ekn
!!is Wes reading a manga?
 
Let me think about it … wait … yes … well actually, no.
 
Wes
not even if they paid me to do so
i'm reading "the walking dead"
 
6:43 PM
That's like half a step from manga
 
Ekn
that's why it didn't make sense at first
 
@Wes Stop reading crap.
If you want actual comics, give me a call (alternatively, @tereško)
 
I'm not following much atm anyway. Only Boruto, DBZ, Hajime no Ippo.
All come out far too infrequently
 
@Fabor Bleach was finally put out of its misery BTW (cc @tereško)
 
Oh and One Punch Man
@MadaraUchiha I started reading afew a couple of weeks back starting at where they were then.
 
Wes
6:47 PM
if "actual comics" is dbz i'd rather challenge bear grylls to a piss drinking contest
 
I got bored of the series once Ichigo lost his powers
 
@Wes No, not DBZ.
 
One Piece I find hard to follow manga wise too
 
DBZ is entertaining, but not very interesting
 
Yeah, keep in mind I only really read this while on the clock -_-
Ippo I would read off though
I wish they kept making Hikaru No Go ones though :(
 
Wes
6:48 PM
what have i done
started another discussion about japanese shit
 
mangastream.com/manga/sahara could be okay. We shall see.
 
Ekn
that's like a full step from apprehension I think, @Wes :P
 
Tokyo Ghoul : re FTW
 
Wes
you are ruining your minds
 
Nope
 
6:51 PM
only yours :p
also one could argue about the value of sport cars over mangas :p
 
Wes
hum?
 
Wes-san is joking I presume :P
 
@Wes start watching Plastic Memories... I bet you would like it
 
Or Sailor Moon :P
 
@Fabor seems so Fapore-Kun
 
6:53 PM
@Wes like, maybe mangas are ruining the minds of a few youngsters, but they're leaving the planet mostly unharmed, compared to what sports cars do for entertainment
sits back
 
DBZ and Sailor Moon, my intro to anime from childhood. heh.
Actually I used to stay up late and watch some darker ones too. Berserk springs to mind.
 
berserk is awesome
 
Berserk got a reboot too. Recently
 
really? like we get to see in anime that crazy world in which the first series ended?
 
I started reading the berserk manga, read upto ch 5.. didn't really like it
 
6:55 PM
I wish I could erase some anime from my mind so I could rewatch them. Ahhh. :(
 
@Fabor Ditto
 
I just rewatched GTO the past two weeks heh.
I should rewatch Slam Dunk. No anime has made me laugh harder.
 
I wish I could erase some <insert movies/people/facts> from my mind
 
Have you watched CG tho?
 
Wes
@FélixGagnon-Grenier except that the level of obsession of the average manga/anime user is only comparable to strange people like religion fundamentalists, vegetarians, people that want you to get to krav maga lessons
 
6:57 PM
CG?
@Wes Generalisation but I agree there are a lot of obsessed people.
 
@Wes hmmm... lately we've been trying to prevent the f1 grand prix to happen here in Montreal. Had you seen the reactions of the people who actually want it to happen, I'm not sure you'd have the same impression of sports car people...
 
@Fabor code geass ofc
 
Shouldn't let it stop you from potentially enjoying something though
Oh I don't do Mecha. FMP was the closest I came
 
like, I totally disagree with your statement that the level of obsession of manga watchers is higher than f1 watchers. manga watchers don't burn cars or destroy neighbourhoods ok I made that part up
 
Now where did I put my waifu pillow.
 
7:00 PM
:p
 
@Fabor was pretty nice... Tbh it wasn't all that Mecha at all...
 
Wes
what?
 
@bwoebi: What does the get_properties object handler exactly do?
 
Wes
nobody would do a mess for a thing like that, especially car people
 
@MarkWeiman returns a hashtable of the properties of the object
 
Wes
7:02 PM
@FélixGagnon-Grenier you are such an ass
 
well.. they did. actually, it made for quite funny memes, seeing how the governing people around here won't do a thing to help education, but did heighten the f12 grand price to the level of important cultural event for our "nation" to justify it
this part is totally not invented ^^
 
@bwoebi Is it what var_dump() uses to figure out what properties are in an object?
Then uses the read property like normal to get the value for it?
 
I was tempted to get an anime related tattoo a few years back, none felt personal enough though
 
@MarkWeiman var_dump uses debug info … it's the fallback if the former isn't available though
 
can't find the quote right now, but the mayor totally said something (in french) that amounts to definition of our cultural identity relating to f1 races
drowning millions of dollar to attract the thing here. while schools can't pay teachers and said teachers have rooms full of as much as 32 kids, sometimes 10 of which having particular learning needs
 
7:04 PM
@MarkWeiman An (array) cast of an object will call that get_properties function
 
Noite guys, o/
 
.... sorry for drifting away [pun intended]
 
Night Saitam
 
Initial D was good
 
7:06 PM
@bwoebi Something like (array)$obj?
 
@MarkWeiman yes
 
Wes
well i can't argue with that obviously @FélixGagnon-Grenier but there's a lot more good in f1 than in many other sports. it's basically an engineering competition. was landing on the moon worth it? probably not, but it inspired generations to create the 21st century. if f1 can inspire even only a single person to become an engineer rather than a lawyer i'm all for it
 
I remember seeing a PHP package that allowed you to query a database via an HTML form with dropdowns for column names, operators, clauses and such. Does anyone know what I'm talking about? I've been trying to find it again, but it was years ago when I saw it.
I really hope I'm not just incorrectly remembering phpmyadmin =o\
 
@crypticツ well, your description reminded me exactly that
 
Wes
phpmyadmin and similar tools
 
7:13 PM
reminded
 
darn, I guess yall are right =oP I'll just make my own then. phpmyadmin is overkill for my purposes. Thanks!
 
@crypticツ adminer maybe?
 
@Wes I... had never looked at it this way. I just wish the contest also was about making the vehicule that consumes the less oil, and changing the culture to one that doesn't feature young girls as prices..
 
Wes
the contest is about making the car consuming less oil
 
*reducing pollution, if you really want me to spell it out :p
 
Wes
7:17 PM
right now, who consumes less oil wins the races, and it's currently the hybrid mercedes
 
@bwoebi doesn't appear to have dropdowns for choosing columns, operators or clauses. Looks like you gotta know SQL to query. I'm needing something that someone who has no tech skills can use. It's ok, it wouldn't be too hard to make my own query builder form. Thanks.
 
there is a lot I do not know about f1
 
Wes
also they could way more than that, like full electric cars... or hydrogen cars... they'll get there eventually
you probably don't realize it as you are used to it or not a f1 person, but the montreal circuit is F1, take that away and 2-3 circuits more (montecarlo, monza, spa) and there would be no F1 :B
 
..really? that's... surprising :p
 
7:20 PM
F1, where you pay £100 to see a car fly past you at speed then wait an hour for it to come back
 
Wes
yeah... montreal circuit is unique
 
Wes
@Fabor it is a sport to watch on tv only indeed
 
Think I will stick to anime
 
Wes
7:23 PM
lol
 
Living vicariously through that which I watch
 
My real desire in life is to put no effort in to anything I do, thus I live vicariously through on Stack Overflow.
 
heh
Gotaa say this Dell XPS SSD is smaaaall, hard to live with 50gb free :(
At least there's 500 free on the external
Last week of work tomorrow. Going to spend it reading methinks.
 
@Fabor 512 GB are minimum…
 
Yeah :(, half tempted to buy and switch it out. Never done that with a laptop though
Just looked up how, not tempted anymore
 
7:57 PM
@LeviMorrison I was AFK, only from the phone
The purpose is not generating backwards-compliant code, but keeping the code running even when deploying on 7.1
 
@Ocramius An if (PHP_VERSION_ID >= 70100) is not too hard…
 
Yes, but that means that you can't deploy pre-existing code until it was adapted
Basically "Fuck you all, adapt your libs or don't upgrade"
 
sure you can, as long as your code doesn't use 7.1 features
 
that's the very core of the definition of "BC Break"
@bwoebi no, it will still break with 7.0 features, as I've just demonstrated
 
because = null?
 
8:00 PM
before I go completely apeshit, can some fucker at least download the fucking test suite and try things?
yes.
 
okay
 
I'm off again, need to get shit done
 
@MadaraUchiha yes, at last. And the ending was as lame as the rest of last 300 chapters
 
@tereško Yup
 
is there actually anything interesting to read now?
 
8:16 PM
@bwoebi The ? only appears if it's from 7.1. Deploying code generated on 7.1 onto older versions is risky at best. That goes for ANY version.
 
> The ? only appears if it's from 7.1.
 
now if you are trying to do string comparison then on 7.1 what worked will break.
 
aha?
 
But parsing the output of toString is risky at best. They pay for it.
It's really that simple.
 
The ? will also appear if you have an = null default
 
8:17 PM
@bwoebi Not if you ran it on 7.0.
 
@LeviMorrison because it's the goddamn standard and recommended way to do it
 
Reflection AT ALL is risky at best.
It adapts and changes as the language does.
Not adding the ? will also break code.
 
There I can agree to some amount.
 
It breaks either way.
We should stick with the original conventions since it breaks either way.
 
@LeviMorrison yes, it'll break code generating it from interfaces
 
8:25 PM
@bwoebi But they are different.....and that is a BC break.
 
@Danack the introduction of ? itself is a BC break…
 
But not an excuse to change other stuff.
 
depends on the PoV.
 
BC break is a consumer PoV
 
@bwoebi And no it's not. None of my code uses a nullable type yet. So I expect all of my code to work on 7.1 no matter what reflection it is doing.
It's only when I start reflecting on things that contain a nullable type that I would expect to see some change.
 
8:35 PM
in JavaScript, 4 hours ago, by jarvis
oop is one letter away from poop. functional programming starts with fun. decide which boat you want to hop on.
 
Mix them both for Poop
Procedural and OOP
 
8:51 PM
@Fabor Functional OOP.....I'm hoping to have enough time to talk about that at PHPNW.
 
I hope to get to one of those one day
 
@Danack you mean during the unconference track?
 
I mean during my talk on interface segregation.
 
ah
 
Does "waiting for that" mean either "I'm waiting" or "please wait" ? is it a imperative sentence?
 
8:58 PM
the former and no, usually not imperative.
 
ah ok
@bwoebi just to be sure, "former" means "first", right?
 
yes
 
@Shafizadeh Former & Latter. The pair.
 
hola guys
 
Wes
9:23 PM
r u shooore? fack yeah twitter.com/TheVineFights/status/761350110894780416 (nsfw-ish language)
 
Ekn
I think I'm past 30hrs cap already
 
@Fabor Ah ok thx .. good to know .. You know I thought that pair is "First & Latter" ..
 
Ekn
/me sleeps, nite
 
nn
 
Wes
gn
 
9:38 PM
Danack, what is the type of $foo in this declaration? function f(Foo $foo = null)
 
Do you mean what is the type, or what should __toString for the Type returned by reflection be?
 
(helps if I can get my declaration right :D)
What is the type of $foo?
 
It is either Foo or Null.
 
Which we encode as ?Foo.
 
Not always. We have two ways of encoding that. Either ?Foo or for the alternative syntax of Foo $foo = null
 
9:41 PM
No, no. A default of null is not a type.
That's a function parameter thing.
 
> What is the type of $foo?
> It is either Foo or Null.
So you think I was wrong?
 
It's type is ?Foo.
No, you are correct that it is Foo or null; but that type is written ?Foo.
Foo $someVariable = null is not a type.
 
> or for the alternative syntax of Foo $foo = null
 
Foo ___ = null is not a type.
It's a default parameter which implicitly makes it have type ?Foo
 
(Levi is right)
 
9:43 PM
@LeviMorrison You're being pedantic - so that you can narrowly define how you want the discussion to take page. I'm not going to play this game.
There are two ways of writing ?Foo or Foo $foo = null - both of those need to be returned correctly by reflection.
We should probably remove one of them - but we haven't done that yet.
 
Foo $foo = null implies ?Foo $foo = null.
It's just historical and will likely never change.
 
They're not equivalent - 3v4l.org/jStRZ
 
@Jeeves !!define:pedant
@Danack No, they are not equivalent, but reread what I said.
5 mins ago, by Levi Morrison
Foo $foo = null implies ?Foo $foo = null.
An explicitly nullable type (?Foo $foo) does not imply a default of null (= null).
But a default of null does imply a nullable type.
!! define:pedant
Guess he doesn't understand.
 
@Danack they are only equivalent when you set null as default
 
Is there possibly a premade function to sort a HashTable in alphanumerical order by key or will I have to write that?
 
Wes
9:58 PM
ksort?
 
Well, sadly I don't know how to access that function from C.
 
@MarkWeiman if you look at the source of internal functions, you can see what they're doing internally: php-lxr.adamharvey.name/source/xref/master/ext/standard/…
 
 
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