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1:00 PM
@PeeHaa foobar
 
it never works, the simple way of doing almost anything ...
 
master was merged into a branch which was later merged to patch
 
!!uptime
 
@Jeeves huh??
 
@PeeHaa I have been running for 16 minutes and 35 seconds, since 2016-12-04 12:43:35
 
1:00 PM
@bwoebi Was a reminder ;)
 
oh
 
And it was discovered only after quite a few commits
 
!!remind list
 
Registered reminders are:
• @⁠DaveRandom http://chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/33706606#33706606 → Id: :33706826 → Saturday, 29th April 2017 12:01 (UTC) - Set by Gordon - Seconds left: 12610828
 
1:01 PM
lol
 
@MadaraUchiha well, get a patch set, revert the merge and re-apply the rebased patches?
 
@bwoebi Did you miss the part where master had about 500 commits?
You still need to sift through to find what's relevant and what isn't.
(R) is relevant
(X) is not

(R)-(X)-(X)-(X)-(X)-(X)-(X)-(X)-(X)-(X)-(R)-(R)-(X)-(X)-(X)-(X)-(X)-(X)-(X)-(X)-(X)-(X)-(X)-(X)-(X)-...
 
oh well…
 
probably not that bad, but close enough
for each proper commit there are like 3 "typo commits"
 
my real commit to "..." commit ratio is scary, and annoying for anyone watching ...
I'm not sure why by default you can't commit an empty directory, but you can merge obviously inappropriate branches without forcing
 
1:05 PM
one of my coworkers only makes commits with messages consisting of "....."
he also happens to be the person that thinks OOP is pointless and composer is a gimmick
 
@tereško composer is a gimmick of very high utility.
 
meaningful commits usually come with a message, or a joke ... but I do "..." commits for typos, or when some os is broken and I find out after the fact ... that happens a lot ...
 
well, the thinks that "all you need is already in PEAR"
 
So he is into bdsm?
 
some people really loved the 1990's, they still wear the denim jackets and shell suits ... maybe he's one of those guys ...
 
1:09 PM
@PeeHaa no, it's just that he hasn't learned a single new thing in 10 years or so
 
I'm not sure how I'd handle such a person ... there probably are such people, but they don't make themselves known or espouse nonsense about pear or anything like that ...
I think I would have to encourage them to do better though ...
perhaps with a heavy book across the back of the head ...
 
I am trying
but as you might suspect, my patience has limits
 
try to see it as a test of your persistence rather than patience ...
 
no, I dont want to leave that job .. yet
 
haha
it's got to be worth keep trying though ... while they are still listening anyway ...
I think directfb might be shit ... has anyone had experience with it, even by proxy ?
it doesn't fill me with confidence that the site has disappeared too
 
1:21 PM
@Ekin you playing rust yet? :)
 
x11-directfb?
 
@PeeHaa I got it installed on the new laptop but fell asleep while it was loading last night :P
 
:D
 
Gonna play that and some dead island tonight
 
@tereško that's a framebuffer driver for xorg, the purpose of directfb is supposed to be avoiding xorg completely, but it evolved into a nice set of drivers that xorg makes use of ... I'm trying to use it outside of xorg, standalone ...
 
1:23 PM
Coolio. Was just about to start on a new server.
!!? dead island game
 
Search for "dead island game" (https://www.google.com/search?q=dead+island+game&lr=lang_en)
• Dead Island - 10 Minutes Gameplay - YouTube - Im Gameplay-Video zu Dead Island zeigen die Macher von Deep Silver und Techland mehr als 10 … (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2xFFRgl-oM)
• Dead Island - Wikipedia - Vervolg, Dead Island: Riptide … Dead Island (ook bekend als Island of Living Dead) is een rollenspe… (https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Island)
• Dead Island - Wikipedia - Dead Island is a 2011 open world survival horror action role-playing video game developed by … A st… (https://en.wik
 
@JoeWatkins you probably should go and play in IRC
 
oh wow that looks nice
cc @JayIsTooCommon
 
the example code, the only example code I can find, does one of a few things, ranging from odd (blank screen) to scary (fills both displays with noise and xorg needs signalling to repaint even after it crashed)
didn't know there was an irc channel, directfb.org is down
 
I dont think anyone in this room has expertise in this area
 
1:27 PM
yeah, seems likely ...
I thought I'd ask though, it's old as the hills, I've come close to using it before myself ...
 
@Jimbo what do you think about this type of case corsair.com/en/graphite-series-380t-portable-mini-itx-case ? It would support Hybrid 1080, but the dust-proofing is somewhat shit.
 
Hiii
I have question
Can anyone solve my problem?
?
 
1:44 PM
morning
 
of course, you could always give up on the Hybrid 1080 and go with ASUS Turbo 1080 ... then you can still use NCase
@Jimbo the main benefit in that Corsair case is that the mobo is horizontal and you have no chance of gpu sag
 
2:00 PM
unfortunately Lian-Li cases are crap (they look nice, but the their internal layouts and build options are fucked)
.. also they are not meant for non-professional builders :(
oh ... and this might be a good options: cooltek.de/en/jonsbo/vr-series/186/vr1?c=313 (but the cleaning of dust-filter would be complicated, and it cant have a good AIO cooler for CPU (there are only two fan spots)
 
2:49 PM
@bwoebi oh, that makes sense. referring to pizza as masculine feels weird though. ^^
 
evening roomies
 
@Andrea In Hebrew, pizza is feminine.
 
@MadaraUchiha as in Italian, and I assume it is in French
 
French is weird.
 
Wes
did someone mention pizza?
ah, false alarm :B afternoon :B
 
2:53 PM
Also "die Pizza" in German (feminine).
 
Wes
yeah pizza is feminine in italian too
because pizzo means goatee :B
 
Hello chaps, pizza is food in english, a very practical language ... ;)
 
And chaps is something people wear when riding a horse.
 
Ah yes, that to, silly laguage English too, forgot to mention that.
 
        if (is_bool($value)) {
            $this->searchParams = array(new SearchParam(SearchParam::OP_EQ, !!$value));
superfluous code is the best code… (meaning the !!)
 
3:01 PM
I have had such a strange bug in a project; would be interested to hear you thoughts on what could be the cause of it. Exactly the same files, no diff difference at all and the same permissions. One shows images and the other does not, using:
header("Content-Type: image/jpg");
 
@Andrea in Latvian all words that end with "a" count as feminine
 
@tereško in Spanish, most words ending in «a» do, but not all
 
@tereško all? Or is it like Latin? where most but a few exceptions do (describing humans e.g.)
 
ok, there is a single exception to that rule: "boy" (as in small male) is "puika"
also all words that end with "e" are feminine (no exceptions that I can think of)
 
3:04 PM
@SebastianBergmann I tend to use the urban dictionary as my goto reference for English these days; urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Chap
 
@tereško Cannot be a coincidence that the Latin word also starts with pu (puer)
 
@bwoebi it might be a borrowed word (Roman empire never reached that far)
then again, the whole thing is kinda complicated: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latvian_declension
 
@tereško wiktionary says it's just a coincidence though
 
@bwoebi I don't even use primitives for something like an HTTP status code anymore :P
 
I wonder if git could have caused this bug, it really is strange ...
 
3:09 PM
well, I have to, because of some APIs, but I wrap it in a Http\StatusCode or something :P
 
@bwoebi it could be "borrowed" soon after the Northern Crusades, when missionaries brought Latin here
 
@Ocramius the Request/Response interfaces don't either… but internal representation does
 
yes, just wanted to make clear that I'm in the complete purist camp there
we discussed ti at PHPUGKA
 
@Ocramius That you are a purist? yea … but what's the point of pushing it that far though?
 
Mostly refactoring and type safety down the line
things like wrapping a UserId or AccountId (both UUIDs under the hood) prevent you from mixing them in any API
 
3:11 PM
dunno what you want to refactor a lot about e.g. a status code?
 
no, ofc I don't, but I write little code around HTTP stuff - mostly leave it to frameworks
 
@Ocramius I would appreciate opaque types which can be easily (explicitly) unwrapped
but a class is a bit too heavy for me
 
those never need unwrapping
I always pass them around as that, and then eventually implement a cast method in lower layers (technical repository implementation, for example)
 
@Ocramius With unwrapping I mean being able to explicitly set and get the actual primitive value
 
class AccountId
{
    private $id;
    private function __construct(Uuid $uuid) { $this->uuid = $uuid; }
    public static function fromUuid(Uuid $uuid) : self { return new self($uuid); }
    public function toUuid() : Uuid { return $this->uuid; }
}
that's all it does. Indeed, type aliases and compile-time may help here
Where I just say that AccountId is a Uuid, but without most of the Uuid API
anyway, boarding, laters
 
3:15 PM
@Ocramius to say it an other way round, I principally agree with you, I just find it pretty annoying to have an explicit class for everything.
@Ocramius later
@Ocramius If we'd have inherent language support for that, I think this defensive style of coding could become much more widespread
 
@tereško Just reading about the Balts, fascinating I'd never read of them before.
@MadaraUchiha French is very wierd, I live in France at the moment, spoken French is ok, but written is a whole other matter.
 
@iain yeah, we were the people that vikings were scared of
 
:)
 
@Ocramius You're invited to mirror your knowledge about this into a RFC; I may try to provide an implementation for that then ;-)
 
@tereško I'm fascinated by languages, does it sound anything like Danish or Swedish?
 
3:25 PM
@iain here's an example: youtube.com/watch?v=xVvbIoSSTOM
:)
 
Very nice.
Can here the roots of the modern Russian 'sound' but seems not so harsh. Must be massive differences to your ear though.
@tereško I grew up spending time in North Wales, there is an ancient language there similar to Gaelic I think. Lovely to hear.
 
pronunciation is extremely different
I know Russian quite well, but I physically cant speak it
 
Yes, it is not the same sound
 
anyway, I'mAFK
 
Hum, not sure there was any latin folk music, to barbaric for the romans
 
3:38 PM
<obligatory whales joke>
 
Yes, with lots a sheep :)
 
4:15 PM
good mornings
 
4:29 PM
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A: Do the different ways of declaring return types in PHP 7 obsolete or complement each other?

AndreaThere is some degree of overlap between these. Unlike type annotations, type declarations are part of the language itself, and enforced by the language runtime. If you use a type declaration to specify that a function takes an int, and you pass in an array, you'll get an error. If you pass in a ...

good answer, do you think?
 
4:46 PM
@Andrea In general it's fine, left just a small comment
 
updated to include that example
 
5:19 PM
crap it took me so long to remember img markdown I can't remove it ...
 
Hey wanted to toss my question on here to get some guidance. stackoverflow.com/questions/40954611
I tried following the steps in stackoverflow.com/questions/30685443 however had no luck
 
5:43 PM
Good evening
 
Morning everyone
 
posted on December 04, 2016

New Cyanide and Happiness Comic

 
6:26 PM
@Ocramius is this based on simple pattern matching?
 
think so
 
I thought the documentation was crap for rpi
it's actually ahead, not behind, it's documenting kernel still in rc(7)
this is why it doesn't work the way it says it does ...
 
@Joe Yeah, we have the same issue in PHP ^^
 
if we ever do move away from docbook, we should solve versioning at the same time ...
 
6:41 PM
@JoeWatkins what OS are you using?
 
ElePHPOS
 
what he said
 
Is it a new OS?! google cannot find any data about it ..! odd
 
it is, and is only for rpi, and is on my github
and is called elephos ...
 
morning
 
6:49 PM
\o
 
well I find it on github .. I don't know what it is exactly .. but seems nice anway .. good for you :-) @JoeWatkins
 
it's not really a new os, it's obviously linux ... there are lots of operating systems that will work on rpi now, but they are either extremely heavy, or so skinny that they are not very nice to work with ... they all of them include a very heavy xorg server ...
 
there's no xorg but still a nice-ish desktop (which is purposely void of clutter) ... the idea is you boot to that and configure it to start your single application ... like the windows iot thing ...
you can at the moment write your ui in php with gtk3 ... but I hope to be able to expose GL and relatives ...
and am working on directfb, but might drop it, the thing is a pile-o-crap
 
7:00 PM
@JoeWatkins I see
 
Anonymous
 
Anonymous
Got myself a girlfriend
 
evenion
 
@JayIsTooCommon can you trade in the old one ?
\o @tereško
 
Anonymous
@JoeWatkins umm, @PeeHaa are you tradeable?
 
7:11 PM
No refunds
 
Anonymous
Well there's £5 I'm not getting back :-(
 
alexa help me i'm hurt https://t.co/r6iHh5j5VN
 
Anonymous
@Ocramius hahaha, quality
 
@Ocramius my brain read it "help me, I'm butthurt"
there might be something wrong
BRB, will get some wine
 
@tereško IT'S NOT ALWAYS ABOUT YOU!!1
 
7:31 PM
@tereško what's "butthurt" ?
 
@PeeHaa I don't need a refund, just take @PeeHaa back.
 
:P
 
btw, @Shafizadeh, are you still playing DeusEx?
 
7:50 PM
@tereško nope .. I'm full busy (CPU 100%) these days .. I'm both work and study at university ... I really don't have free time for playing game
 
ouch
yeah, combining work and studies is really hard
 
it is !! :-(
 
a lot of people end up dropping out because of that
 
:-)
@tereško what do you mean "dropping" exactly? do you mean failing at tests (exams) ?
 
yes, failing exams, but also just stopping to attend the classes
 
7:53 PM
ah
 
btw, how far did you manage to get, @Shafizadeh, before you were faced by the harsh light of "the real world" ?
 
Wes
8:40 PM
evenings
 
@JoeWatkins Feeling good? :-)
 
much the same as earlier, can take more painkillers I think soon
 
@JoeWatkins you sick or just having a headache ?
 
back pain
 
8:45 PM
oh
massages usually help in a long term for light cases
otherwise: selective nerve root blocks
also chiropractors do not help
 
@tereško This depends.
 
on what? Amount of belief in bullshit?
 
My mother had chiropractic therapy for a while with no improvement. However, my wife has had back and neck pain for years and after 6 weeks of chiropractic care she's feeling much better already.
 
@LeviMorrison placebo effect?
@tereško depends on where the pain comes from whether that's applicable
 
9:00 PM
@bwoebi true. But I dont have a medical degree.
 
Is taking x-rays, noting the incorrect curvature of neck and back, doing physical therapy, traction, then taking x-rays and noting a better curvature placebo?
 
@LeviMorrison that's nothing to do with chiropractics
 
@tereško Then you go to shoddy chiropractors.
 
@tereško Me neither, I just cannot imagine issues with e.g. the discs being fixable with nerve blocks (without essentially paralyzing more than needed)
 
@LeviMorrison that's like claiming I have "shoddy reiki masters"
 
9:04 PM
@tereško I mean if you think people who "pop your joints" are chiropractors then sure, chiropractics is probably a lot of junk.
That's where its roots come from, sure. That's not what modern chiropractics are though.
 
yeah okay
 
wanna talk to me about modern homeopathy?
 
there are still quite many charlatans … @Levi
 
Okay, give me the name for what I described then. What's that practitioner's name?
I guess "osteopathy" would cover it.
 
if alternative medicine actually worked, it would be called "medicine"
 
9:08 PM
So give me the name for what I described. It's actually fixing the structure of the spine through non-surgical methods. What's its name?
No answer?
 
"physical therapy"
 
"physical therapy" for practically every region of the body has its own name.
What is it for the neck and back?
 
there is not separate name
ask your doctor
 
I can nearly guarantee that when the doctor sends you to a place for physical therapy for your neck and back it will have 'chiropractic' in its name. At least in the US.
 
lol
it seems to be an "American thing"
 
9:22 PM
Perhaps.
And perhaps not even the entire US - I've lived in the rocky mountain US mainly (a few months in Alabama and a bit over a year in Florida).
 
... kinda like "cupping" in south america
 
i need help learning php MVC
 
lol
 
i seriously need help
nobody loves me cuz i cant MVC
 
9:33 PM
do you have a real question or did you come here to vent?
 
i am serious tho
i want to learn MVC framework
 
there is not such thing
 
i am a beginer
and every tutorial codes differently since MVC is very losely coupled
 
2 mins ago, by tereško
do you have a real question or did you come here to vent?
well .. I guess it wasn't important
 
9:49 PM
@Jose How much of a beginner are you?
Do you know what arrays are? Do you know what loops are? Do you know what classes are?
 
@Wes Well, you know, tiny difference
Yours doesn't block traffic on a main street :P
Although yeah, no doubt Italy could have never pulled it off as cleanly and as professionally as the Japanese.
 
Wes
in italy there would be 100 workmen sitting and one randomly throwing dirt in the hole for months
 
Reminds me of the friendly Israeli Army rowing competition story about the Airforce vs Navy
 
Wes
lol?
 
9:57 PM
After the navy overtook the airforce by over 5 minutes apart, a lengthy, expensive investigation committee found out that while the navy had one officer giving rhythm and 8 soldiers rowing, the airforce had 8 officers giving rhythm and 1 soldier rowing.
 
Wes
ha exactly
 
Which describes things pretty accurately in general 😃
💯
 
Wes
lol
 
@MadaraUchiha they identify as women?
 
Wes
 
10:00 PM
@tereško "awaiting sex change"
 
Wes
guess the country ^
 
@Wes Florida
 
Wes
lol that is very precise
texas actually
pretty close
 
10:04 PM
"Florida Man" is like the national superhero in USA
 
@Wes Inversely, here's a video of someone punching a Kangaroo in the face
 
Honestly, I don't think I've ever seen a person actually properly punch another animal in the face until that moment 😂
 
@MadaraUchiha well ... probably all the rest of the examples would involve bears and Russians. There are not so many animals that are ... emm .. properly positioned for punching.
 
@tereško I know 😃
 
10:12 PM
@MadaraUchiha there is a regional name for such a guy, who could (and probably would) punch a bear: "kuilis" (boar)
ya know, people with no discernible neck and a fist approximately size of your 1/2 of your scull
 
Sounds about right
 
(and who have never spent a day in some fancy weightlifting room)
 
10:42 PM
Hey could anyone help explain what I need too look at for the questions I was asked? New to troubleshooting code on websites. stackoverflow.com/questions/40954611
 
Wes
@MadaraUchiha ahahahahaha
 
you mean the "A" should be lowercase ?
 
Also that “did you mean” thing is really nice, props to whoever did that
@tereško there should be an “a” before “return type”
 
that too, yeah
 
@Andrea Really?
Even in technical?
 
Wes
11:59 PM
This as written defeats the point of the csrf_token. You should pass the current token and only return a new token if the old is valid. Otherwise a malicious person could just hit the refresh-csrf route to get a token and use it to make any request that would normally be protected. — jfadich Sep 23 '15 at 20:41
why is that wrong?
 
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