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6:00 PM
I am trying to access my company's website on my computer. using Xampp and Tortoise
-svn
 
Wes
why svn?
 
How are those two things related?
 
@Linus Yeah that's crazy right?
 
I am not sure! that is why I am lost. My company is using Assembla and told me to install Tortoise SVN
 
6:02 PM
that's sad :(
 
which I did, i downdload the website on my computer
 
Downloaded how?
 
@NewPassionnate Assembla supports also GIT ... so ... what gives
 
Did you make a fresh checkout?
 
through Tortoise-SVN
 
6:03 PM
Maybe team uses SVN, in which case, he's screwed
Were you provided a user name and password to your company's Assembla repo?
 
hello, pricks!
6
 
this is the instruction they gave me:
- download site.lcal and site.shared directories located in the root folder of the ftp
- setup apache to point http://mywebsite.dev document root to /code/www/public
yes they gave it to me
 
@Ocramius o/
 
I don't have experience with Assembla specifically, but I've set Tortoise-SVN up for Beanstalk
 
Released: doctrine/common 2.7.0 - now with #PHP 7.1 support! #doctrine2 #PHP71 https://github.com/doctrine/common/releases/tag/v2.7.0
 
Wes
6:05 PM
@Ocramius yo merdaccia! :P
 
Released: ocramius/proxy-manager 2.1.0, now with full (and extensively tested) #PHP 7.1 support! #PHP71 https://github.com/Ocramius/ProxyManager/releases/tag/2.1.0
aaaand I did my PHP 7.1 stuff
 
When is 7.1 again
 
now it's up to you, @JoeWatkins \o/
 
\o/ 7.1 OR GTFO
 
@NewPassionnate Do you ahve Tortoise-SVN set up to access Assembla, then? Have you been able to checkout the code?
 
6:06 PM
Yes I set it up on my C:// and I have all the code there
That is working but then they say next step is to setup apache toi point... and that's what i dont understand
 
How can I download musics of http://www.last.fm ? @tereško
 
I guess that means I have to do a 7.1 release for php-parser as well
 
@Shafizadeh Can't, unless the artist allows it.
 
@Shafizadeh I think you can't. Use torrents instead.
 
well shit ...!
 
6:07 PM
@Shafizadeh Using this handy conversion tool thepiratebay.org
 
@tereško ok
 
@NewPassionnate Have you asked anyone? That instruction is pretty vague.
 
@PeeHaa thx
 
I personally get all my music from rutracker.org/forum/index.php, but you will need to register in that site .. which might be tricky
 
I did but I am basically the only one in my team ...
 
6:08 PM
@Jimbo pong
 
@NewPassionnate Story of my life...
 
so i am just trying to understand how to be able to work... would using GIT avoid me that step?
 
Probably not. I'm not sure what they mean by "setup apache to point"
 
@tereško what do you mean tricky? Do you mean I need to hack the website and insert my email in it?! :P ..! well, I'm a programmer, I think I can do a registration !!!!
 
i just got out of school, they teach you how to code but not al the steps to get to that!
 
6:10 PM
WHat kind of educational level are we talking about?
 
@Ocramius Davey is actually doing this first release, we look good to go though ... he's doing final checking
 
@NewPassionnate I'm a college dropout. I taught myself HTML/CSS in high school.
 
Nice!
 
@JoeWatkins Ah yes so I can start testing soon :P
 
apparently there is an apache configuration file and i need to point document root to /code/www/public... thats what i read in a forum, but it's not working
 
6:11 PM
.htaccess
 
@Shafizadeh it's in russian
:P
 
oh .. I got it now :-)
 
I prefer it over the PirateBay, because it has less ads .. and no porn ads
 
@NewPassionnate give me a second and I'll find it for you. I just did it recently on another server, so I should be able to find it.
 
are they trying to make me configure a virual host you think?
thank you!!
 
6:12 PM
@tereško Hah .. porn isn't that much bad ;-)
 
porn is not bad, but porn ads are annoying
and NSFW
 
ah :D
 
@NewPassionnate /xampp/apache/conf/httpd.conf is the file you change the DocumentRoot in
 
@tereško Seriously install a blocker
 
@PeeHaa I have, TPB tends to bypass them sometimes
 
Wes
6:14 PM
^ this man's field is online advertising; suggests to install ad blockers
 
Everybody in the advertisement branch is like that :P
Ain't nobody got time for ads :D
@tereško What blocker do you use?
 
@PeeHaa uBlock Origin
 
hmm same. Odd I never noticed it
 
@Tiffany thanKS! Do you think it's the only thing I should do ? I am guessing there is more steps than that
 
@NewPassionnate when you open the httpd.conf file, Ctrl/command-F and search for documentroot. You'll eventually find a line like DocumentRoot "C:/xampp/htdocs" I'm not sure if you'll need to change the <Directory "C:/xampp/htdocs"> line below it. I suggest googling it to see if you need to.
 
Wes
6:15 PM
i don't use ad blockers, because i'm an online publisher and some of my possibly useful sites survive just because of banners, because i'm good guy that gets 10 times the banners because the other 9 block them. i hate you guys
 
@PeeHaa Your English is very good .. I believe everybody uses "ain't" is good in English :-)
good for you
 
lol
 
@Shafizadeh It's more a sign of me being a black dude
 
@Tiffany Is there any other way I can access my website than by following those instructions ?
 
Wes
*black ginger dude
 
6:16 PM
:P
 
:-)
 
@NewPassionnate the code on the web server? Depends on how it's set up.
 
i like wataching ads :P
 
for what it's worth though, when you're developing, you don't want to point xampp to production. Hopefully, that's something you already knew.
 
Wes
6:18 PM
 
More companies should pair junior developers/recent college graduates with a mentor. It's the only reason I'm anywhere successful now.
 
@Wes hahahahahah
 
@Tiffany I m not sure if I already asked but I saw that I can use git with assembla. Would it allow me to do the same thing ?
I totally agree with that !!
 
Wes
you knew it was coming, right? :B
 
I was more thinking about dennis rodman, but that will do just fine
 
6:20 PM
@tereško why people are laughing in the beginning of that video? what's funny?
 
Wes
what (who) is this dennis rodman. is he even human
 
Wes
@Tiffany ahahha
 
@Wes ...
 
@Shafizadeh because it is a part of a longer comedy-show
 
6:20 PM
ah :-)
 
@Tiffany I am just trying to understand what is the point of that last instruction? If I got all that hehe website through tortoise and assembla?
 
@NewPassionnate yeah, git is only a version control system. it would work with xampp just fine.
 
Wes
@PeeHaa i have no idea what that is
but he's clearly an addict :B
 
basketball
 
@NewPassionnate yeah, I don't understand what their intention is either. Have you checked the /code/www/public folder to see what's in it?
 
Wes
6:22 PM
we only know football here, you know that. and formula 1, and motorbikes. the end :B
 
@Tiffany there is this one youtuber which acts exactly like that ... only SJW ... keyword: "black hitler" (I am serious)
 
@NewPassionnate You got me for eight more minutes, then I have to go to lunch.
@tereško o.o
 
@Tiffany it looks like its all the css js
@Tiffany thank you so much for your help. i think i am just going to use GIT and that's it...
 
@Tiffany it's one of those "rabbit hole" things .. you probably will feel better about humans, if you dont follow that breadcrumb trail
 
6:23 PM
no
 
@NewPassionnate I mean, Assembla is just a version control storage place, so they may want you to point your documentroot to that directory for developing...? and then you'll commit changes to assembla? I'm just taking guesses.
 
i have problem anybody help me?
 
lol wtf bbq
 
@santosh try calling emergency services
 
@Tiffany it makes sense.. i have a webinar with assembla in half an hour, i think they are going to cover that and how to point to it
 
6:26 PM
@NewPassionnate I'd ask for more explanation since it's not entirely clear. But if you don't have anyone... then you're in the same shoes I'm in, then it's your choice what you wanna do. :P
 
@Tiffany that's the good part! being able to choose what is the easiest for us!
 
I'm a "web admin," so I have to understand lots of little things, but I'm not very specialized in any one area. :/
 
I'm an old-tech front-end developer, a shitty back-end developer, and a newb devops rolled into one. >.<
anyway, good luck :P
 
i am sure you are better than what you are saying!!
 
6:28 PM
@tereško why … do you even know these things?!
 
oh trust me, these guys have seen my PHP code, it's horrible.
it's your stereotypical spaghetti
 
it's practice!! you start by making it work one way or another and then with practice you get a better logic and organization!
 
@bwoebi I have some issues with forgetting.
 
@tereško I mean… why do you even learn about these?
 
the one thing I do have pride in is my skillset in HTML4 and CSS2, lol
 
Wes
6:29 PM
@tereško isn't that the same guy #stereotypes :B
 
but there are so many CSS methodologies x_x
 
@Wes hehehe
 
there is!!
 
I used to try to make my HTML as clean as possible, and use elaborate CSS selectors. Then I found out like a year or two after everyone else, that using elaborate CSS selectors makes websites perform slower, so using classes is ideal.
 
\o/ @NikiC
Released PHP-Parser 3.0, with full support for parsing PHP 7.1 and improved error recovery (for use in IDEs). https://github.com/nikic/PHP-Parser/releases/tag/v3.0.0
 
6:31 PM
Well that was fast :P
 
posted on November 30, 2016 by nikic

**PHP-Parser 3.0 adds support for PHP 7.1 and improves support for error recovery.** For a description of backwards incompatible changes between version 2.x and 3.0 see the [upgrading guide](https://github.com/nikic/PHP-Parser/blob/master/UPGRADE-...

 
But yeah, a lot of it is I need to practice more, but I manage three projects at work, so I don't have the time to practice at work. And when I get home, my mental creativity is drained. I have to find a happy balance eventually.
bbl
 
@Ocramius let me quickly change the language just before release, just for obsoleting the parser :3
 
that is the hardest part! going back home and have to get on the computer again to learn more and more
 
HAHA
 
6:34 PM
@bwoebi it's a longer story, but the gist of it is: the resources I was subscribed to were dragged into gamergate thing, which morphed in the SJW related shitstorms ... I have been passively following some of it, but, since I tend to easily remember thing I see, I dont have to pay much attention to acquire all this trivia
 
nothing to see
 
@Sara did you use Power processors at Facebook at all? As in you personally?
 
@bwoebi ... That's exactly why I'm releasing it now and not two weeks ago
 
@NikiC But RCs are just to get rid of bugs. Nothing new will be introduced!
 
For 5.6 you did change change the language just before release and you did obsolete the parser :P
 
6:36 PM
lol
 
@NikiC That was in RC3 or such though, not just a week before
 
@bwoebi You know me, I blame you anyway :P
 
We don't like bob either niki
 
@NikiC Eih, can we just all blame Dmitry?
 
hey...we are building a mobile wallet..and we need to store user current balance in a database
how it can be done such that not even our engineers can hack it and change its value
 
6:37 PM
Don't
If you have to ask, don't
 
user1804599
Hire a cryptography expert.
 
@PeeHaa hey!
 
@rightfold wrong.
 
@NikiC commas are kinda useful at times :P
 
@yogeshsingh let me get link...
 
6:38 PM
This is going to be great!
Don't disappoint us now dan
 
@yogeshsingh you should watch this: youtube.com/…
 
@PeeHaa Meh
 
Basically this is a problem that event sourcing can help solve.....in that talk the guy talks about how he detected and prevented someone committing fraud by tracking all transactions, and building the current state from all previous events.
 
looks great....thanks
 
That doesn't prevent fraud does it?
 
6:40 PM
hi
 
It also just so happens to provide resilience and protection against accidental data corruption.
 
It just leaves a nice trail
 
user1804599
He needs to store the current user balance in a database.
 
user1804599
Event sourcing doesn't store the current user balance.
 
> He needs to store the current user balance in a database.
 
6:42 PM
so basically we have a log of every transactions
 
imho the solution is clientside encryption
 
I reject that requirement and substitute my own, of "It must be possible to get the current balance from data stored in the DB".
 
brb going to drive my awesome fiat 500 to the shop
peace
 
@PeeHaa it's a part in making it incredibly more difficult to either accidentally or deliberately change the current state.
 
so...it is still breakable
 
6:44 PM
this video is about game design but I wonder if it isn't pertinent to programming language design, too: youtube.com/watch?v=tL_bCwiUKNE (essentially: fix the broken old things, or add new things?)
 
how are the these banks doing it
they are outsourcing the software
 
it's easier to add shiny new things and let the old broken things fall into disuse, but it's better to fix them
 
"how are the these banks doing it" Hiring thousands of developers.
 
user1804599
They hire security experts.
 
And building up their tech stacks over multiple decades to distribute the development cost over all those years.
 
6:46 PM
hey
 
hey what'dya say.
 
ok..thanks @Danack
 
Wes
@Andrea add new versions, deprecate old, remove old after a decade would be good for php
 
@Wes maybe. PHP will always be haunted by legacy, though.
 
Wes
7:02 PM
preferring userland code would also be a good thing. like js, the lang should have only the bare minimum. that because switching to improved versions, or completely different design is as simple as doing "composer require"
 
@Wes We need a better module/package design.
 
@Andrea Good, the next version will be PHP 10, a complete rewrite, with no BC guarantees. We will though release the following year a PHP 20 because it turns out that there were many bad decisions in PHP 10.
 
@bwoebi And PHP 10 starts with <?php already open! \o/
 
@bwoebi that's the thing, even the new stuff has problems
 
@LeviMorrison (And PHP 20 realizes it was a bad idea)
 
7:07 PM
@Ocramius No problem now I think mate, it was the shitty serialiser not doctrine
 
Assuming anything not inside of <?php ?> is Content-type: text/html sucks in the modern age tho :/
 
@Andrea That's quite part of the problem… We're not really able to put things out, have them mass-tested and refine them later.
 
Wes
i'm pretty sure i'll be dead already around php 15
i'm gonna count my age in php versions from now on
 
@Wes given the current evolution, that'd mean you'd have less than 25 years to live
 
Wes
that is not impossible tbh :B
 
7:10 PM
@Danack fair enough
 
you know what the problem is about dating crazy women? they are all crazy!!
 
@Wes So where is your collection library?
 
Wes
haven't finished it yet. like everything in my life :B
 
@Wes (including your life, right?)
 
You don't have to finish it to collaborate.
 
Wes
7:19 PM
@LeviMorrison makes me nervous publishing something not finished. i'm pretty sure you will dislike almost everything of it, unless i explain my motivations :B
 
hello
 
@Wes We're just brutally honest. We'll rip it apart, and when it's just slightly suboptimal, we'll add, after criticizing, that it doesn't look that bad.
 
let's say I have X amount of ppl (less than 100) all connected to a db at the same time. Is there some way I can inform these clients when an update/insert/delete/etc has occurred in the db?
I guess a "trigger", but not quite sure how it would be implemented
 
Wes
@bwoebi problem is that what i have in mind probably implies decades of programming unlearning from your side. for example i almost didn't use "extends", but i used traits a lot... i'm aware i could be wrong, but i think i've tried all possible paths but i ended up with that because from that i got the most benefits, while you guys in here are always like "don't use traits! they suck! blah blah blah" :B
 
7:29 PM
@Wes a) I'm not even programming for a decade, b) traits, if used correctly, may be beneficial… many people use it incorrectly though. If used incorrectly, I'll absolutely complain, but if it fits, no issue.
 
rabbit why would you want to do that
rabbit that is called notifications
 
@Wes As a general rule of thumb, traits are bad, because usually used wrongly… but wisely used, they aren't bad.
 
@SalOrozco looking a different ways to implement a chat system for my office
currently I am going from the angle of creating a user interface to an IRC backend, but now I am looking at possibly dropping the IRC server itself and just implementing it through a db server only
 
Rabbit You simply create a notifications table every time an insert. You create a record of it in the notifications table.
 
and have the clients check the notification table regularly?
 
7:32 PM
no you have your program check it
every so often.
 
Hi, random question, which softwares do you use to code with php?
 
At least that's how notifications are done.
 
@NewPassionnate netbeans and sublime
 
x number of minutes
 
@SalOrozco yeah, not going that route then
 
7:33 PM
Sublime
 
@rabbitguy does it support zend?
 
@NewPassionnate sublime is basically a text editor. I believe Netbeans supports Zend, yes
 
Thanks! I was using eclipse but hate it. So I was wondering what else I can use!
 
Never really tried any other editor. Others are better with better code hinting.
or have more features.
Just got used to this work flow.
 
@NewPassionnate phpstorm
phpstorm is love, phpstorm is life. otherwise, notepad++, but that's only because I've used notepad++ for so many years that I'm well accustomed to it.
 
7:39 PM
I flipping hate the dating scene
 
rabbit lol
You can always use dating sites.
 
phpstorm is expensive too!
 
@SalOrozco I do...
 
This is what you do.
 
at my age, it seems all the eligible women aren't looking for a guy like me... they are all crazy
 
7:40 PM
indeed, my employer pays for it. :P
 
Look at there profile. Talk about something they wrote in their bio.
Girls love to talk about them self
 
we also had an older license, so we got a cheaper price for the annual subscription
@SalOrozco not always.
 
@SalOrozco I am the king of getting "friend-zoned"
 
lol for the most part online they do.
 
@SalOrozco depends on their personality. Believe it or not, women have personalities too. :D
 
7:41 PM
rabbit you gotta cut them lose
 
Wes
another example: extends. I've seen people go mad building massive crazy hierarchies of types. For me any hierarchy doesn't make sense, there should be only set types A|B, A&B and wrappers. explain that to the average php programmer, or even to a very much indoctrinated programmer like @bwoebi :B (actually i think you agree on this, right? :B)
 
Either you want something or nothing. let them know.
 
@Wes yes, I agree … to some extent.
crazy hierarchies are obviously crap
 
People make dating so complicated based on previous bad experiences that they don't allow to date.
 
but some decent extends may be applicable some times @Wes
 
7:43 PM
@rabbitguy typically, if you're meeting women for the sole intention of wanting to date, then you need to find the type of women that are also looking to date. If you're meeting women and expecting something in the long run, without them being aware, being "friend-zoned" is going to happen, because that's what typically happens when you meet someone new. You become friends.
 
Wes
yes, i'm exaggerating. but you get my point :B
 
@Wes Soooo… you call me indoctrinated … what doctrines am I following?
 
Wes
like, there are people advocating solid principles like "interface segregation" but at the same time would vote no to intersection types...
 
@Tiffany if you can't be a bff with me, then I am not interested in something longterm, so there's the issue
 
7:44 PM
i agree with tiffany... if you are not clear about your intention, you are going to become a friend
 
@Wes I can understand to some extent the no to unions, but the no to intersections baffles me
 
my "I am looking for a close friend, too" is giving off the wrong signals, so when I flirt those messages are not getting through I guess
 
@rabbitguy women usually don't go from bff to boyfriend
 
yeah, I've noticed
 
@rabbitguy Yeah, I agree. I have to get to know the person first to know if we're compatible. The point I'm trying to get to is that from a woman's perspective, if a guy starts talking to me with an expectation of it leading to something, and I'm not interested, depending on the guy, they are either, "oh, that's cool," and we move on. Then there are other guys that throw a temper tantrum, which is where I get frustrated.
 
7:47 PM
I am just a strange guy, I guess... I live in the belt buckle of the bible belt, I am not religious, and I am a liberal... two major strikes against me here.
 
there are whole subreddits devoted to those types of guys x_x
 
my closest friends are my oldest son and my therapist... sad, no?
 
yeah. The guy I became involved with recently, I actually met through reddit >.>
... I am pathetic. :P
 
I'd take that if it were possible here
 
hi guys, my work is making me specify Fonts as pt for the web not pixels.. should I be concerned? I have always used pixels, but I guess I am unable to defend why..
 
7:49 PM
but most ppl here would be like, "reddit? what's that? like some website for Louisville Cardinal fans?"
 
Tiffany lol
Rabbit be confident.
 
Wes
@bwoebi i know you are, i am too, because we've been taught things and accepted them as truth without ever thinking they could be improved. it's only matter of time though. add 10 years to the java and c# new ideas and you get what it's trending with php :B
 
From my experience girls think is hot that i know how to code. use that to your advange
but not in a nerdy way.
 
@JoJo px are responsive, generally. pt really isn't.
 
@Wes What have I been taught and accepted as truth? (relating to OO and functional programming)
 
7:52 PM
@rabbitguy lol, do you live in Kentucky?
 
yes
 
Louisville?
 
no
Owensboro
 
oh
 
UK country here for the most part
 
7:53 PM
I was going to lmfao
If you were.
 
why?
 
Wes
well @bwoebi maybe you are one of the least conservative here, but you know there are smart people (way smarter than me) that are by default against changes
 
bcz Louisville had their asses handed to them this weekend?
 
The irony. The dude I'm involved with that I met on reddit is in Louisville, KY. :P
but he's a Wildcats fan, so
 
aren't you like 4 hours away in Illinois?
 
7:54 PM
six hours, yeah.
 
I couldn't do that
 
@Wes yes, that's true. How does that answer my question?
 
I had a relationship fail that was a mere 45 minutes away from me
6 hours? nty
 
It's not a long drive, but trying to find a time where our schedules line up :P
 
Imma person who if I am in a serious relationship would like to see her daily... snuggles are a necessity for me :/
hence the dog I have... she's a helluva snuggler
 
Wes
7:55 PM
@bwoebi it doesn't. i'm saying that to some extent we are all indoctrinated somehow
 
Shrug. Prior to this, I was single for ten years. My expectation with long distance relationships is that they're temporary, and I'm willing to wait a while to see if our relationship works out, and if we want to stick together. anyway.
 
if I am single for ten years from my last serious relationship, then I have another 4 to go
 
@Wes oh, maybe. But I'm in myself a pretty open mind as I have been taught very little…
 
approaching my mid 40s then
 
Bobs-MacBook-Pro-2:php-src-X bob$ ./sapi/cli/php -r 'try {$this->a = new stdClass;} catch (Error $e) {}'
[Wed Nov 30 20:57:41 2016]  Script:  'Standard input code'
/Users/Bob/php-src-X/Zend/zend_objects.c(171) :  Freeing 0x000000010665eb90 (40 bytes), script=Standard input code
=== Total 1 memory leaks detected ===
we have way too many memory leaks…^^
 
Wes
7:58 PM
yeah i know you are bob i was joking before :B
 
missing FREE_UNFETCHED_OP_DATA();
 

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