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12:03 PM
@bwoebi ask @DaveRandom. He started with it.
@DaveRandom I think it was cucumbers
 
@Gordon The EU probably have regulations about them as well, bastards controlling the shape of my insertables.
 
@PeeHaa ok, tell me you were not serious please :P
I'm having difficulty on non-explicit everything today
 
@DaveRandom you know that this yet another euromyth, do you?
 
@DaveRandom I think you endorsed me for two of those three things on Linkedin
 
@bwoebi I've seen it misappropriated to refer to internal APIs in PHP. Thought I'd perpetuate the problem.
 
12:07 PM
@DaveRandom ugh.
People learning terms without knowing their actual meaning
 
@Gordon yes I am well aware of the fact that there are 0 EU laws which have any negative impact on anyone's life in this co?untry.
 
@DaveRandom <3
 
@bwoebi It sounds cool and you can confuse people with it though. That's the important thing.
 
:-P
 
!!scrabble banana
 
12:10 PM
!!scrabble inserts
 
if I merge the PR myself, does it still count towards Hacktoberfest?
!!scrabble hacktoberfest
 
> Official EU voting records show that the British government has voted ‘No’ to laws passed at EU level on 56 occasions, abstained 70 times, and voted ‘Yes’ 2,466 times since 1999 [...] In other words, UK ministers were on the "winning side" 95% of the time, abstained 3% of the time, and were on the losing side 2%. source
Unfortunately they don't link to the raw data set (although they do reference it), which I have emailed them to complain about :-P
@Gordon merged
 
Anonymous
@DaveRandom favouritism
 
!!scrabble favouritism
 
shit I totally forgot I hadn't done that
 
12:19 PM
@DaveRandom thx
 
Anonymous
@DaveRandom :P ty
 
!!uptime
 
@DaveRandom I have been running for 49 seconds, since 2016-10-20 12:21:25
 
!!scrabble Scrabble
!!plugin list Scrabble
 
Command endpoints for plugin 'Scrabble' (enabled):
[X] Scrabble - Calculates the Scrabble score for the given input (Default command: scrabble, Mapped commands: scrabble)
 
12:23 PM
!!scrabble [X] Scrabble - Calculates the Scrabble score for the given input (Default command: scrabble, Mapped commands: scrabble)
 
> TypeError: Return value of Room11\Jeeves\Plugins\Scrabble::calculateScore() must be of the type string, integer returned in /srv/www/Jeeves/src/Plugins/Scrabble.php:83
 
!!scrabble test
 
#fail
 
hmpf
 
!!plugin list lmgtfy
 
12:24 PM
@DaveRandom Invalid plugin name
 
oh lolfail
 
I can write int, right?
 
!!plugin list Lmgtfy
 
@kelunik Invalid plugin name
 
@JayIsTooCommon for future reference the plugin name needs to be \w+
 
12:25 PM
@Ekin seriously?
 
Will fix it in a minute
@kelunik not case sensitive
 
@Gordon If you talk about scalar declarations, you have to.
@DaveRandom What's invalid about it then?
 
Anonymous
@DaveRandom wa ?
 
> return 'lmgtfy - Let Me Google That For You';
didn't notice that
this is why I wanted to test them before merge :-P
 
@DaveRandom tentatively fixed
 
12:26 PM
@DaveRandom They just did :P
 
@Ekin your human to brain interface is broken again :P
 
it is
 
@DaveRandom :-)
 
I will check them out properly in at lunch
 
12:28 PM
!!uptime
 
@Gordon I have been running for 7 minutes and 8 seconds, since 2016-10-20 12:21:25
 
@Ekin Imo it looks like some sock puppet / voting ring friend
 
!!restart
 
Anonymous
@DaveRandom oic, sorry
 
It's pretty suspicious that that got a downvote after that moron got told off
 
Anonymous
12:29 PM
It wasn't the moron who downvoted either, nor the other guys in the Q
 
@JayIsTooCommon no worries, not documented I don't think, and I evidently didn't read it properly
 
@JayIsTooCommon Yeah he doesn't have the internet points for it
 
not too bad for a fresh provide
 
at last....
 
12:30 PM
that upload is kinda sad though :)
 
Upload not great though for Virgin
 
I haven't had a good internet connection at home for like 10 years...
@PeeHaa they want more money for faster upload
 
@PeeHaa yeah I know and don't midn really, just for a minute I wasn't sure about whatchoo said
s/midn/mind ugh
 
@Ekin It's not odd that your first instinct is that I cannot be trusted tbh ;P
 
Anonymous
^ :)
 
12:32 PM
50/2 is £32.25 a month. 200/20 is £50.25 a month. And that's the only package that has higher upload speeds.
 
@Danack It will fluctuate for a week or two and likely stabilise at around 5, from past experience. Unless you have fibre delivered into your premises, there's a load of attenuation measuring and reprofiling at first (even over coax delivery)
 
@Danack hahahaha
dat country(side)
 
@PeeHaa she's been around long enough to base that on experience instead of instinct
 
@PeeHaa :D not that, just blame no sleep+vodka
 
I blame sleep + no vodka
 
12:33 PM
heheh
 
!!uptime
 
@Gordon I have been running for 11 minutes and 54 seconds, since 2016-10-20 12:21:25
 
5 mins ago, by DaveRandom
I will check them out properly in at lunch
:-P
 
!!uptime
 
@PeeHaa I have been running for 12 minutes and 12 seconds, since 2016-10-20 12:21:25
 
12:33 PM
gees
 
patience
 
I already had lunch!
 
Anonymous
!!lmgtfy lmgtfy
 
@JayIsTooCommon lmgtfy.com/?q=lmgtfy
 
Is that lunch tomorrow?
 
Anonymous
12:34 PM
@DaveRandom either way, i'm still +1 for it being disabled in 11 :P
 
@PeeHaa can you do me a favour?
 
fuck no
:P
 
Can you... can you just go fuck yourself for me?
 
@JayIsTooCommon lmgtfy? me too given that is banned on the main site
 
@DaveRandom :D
 
Anonymous
12:35 PM
@Gordon yep, that was my argument. I just made it to look cool.
 
I assume that will be flagged... now
 
brb commencing work attempt v6
 
Really, a new major every time?
 
lol
 
Anonymous
@Jeeves @Gordon Oh and jealous? Mine works. I'm double the developer you'll ever be.
2
 
12:36 PM
It's a breaking change for me
 
@JayIsTooCommon so that means double the bugs, right?
 
And double the time for everything.
 
Anonymous
:P
 
Curiously, half the use cases
 
'nin
 
12:38 PM
wb
 
o/
 
Anonymous
ho joe
 
What is up, home young gentleman?
 
\o
@DaveRandom good morrow, fellow subject of the queen ...
 
12:40 PM
@Gordon Double the Laravel
 
@Jimbo Lararavevel
 
good day all.
 
I... I just had to echo html from inside a function...
I think I need therapy
 
do I need to have all what the method might throw in docblock?
there are 5 exceptions possible
 
12:49 PM
Extend them all from a single exception and just say it throws that instead?
Alternatively, yes, I prefer to know exactly what exceptions can be thrown, especially in the context of domain events
Which some people don't like, but I hugely prefer / massively prefer - which one is bigger huge or massive?
 
@Ekin you could introduce your own exception for that class and just throw that with any of the five other exceptions passed as previous exception
 
hmm
kinda looks ugly, it looks like this now, just to note:
 @param string $input
 @param int $flags
 @return TimeInterval|array
 @throws InvalidFlagException
 @throws InvalidIntervalException
 @throws LeadingDataNotFoundException
 @throws LeadingSeparatorNotFoundException
 @throws TrailingDataNotFoundException
:|
 
Is there something you do differently depending on whether or not a leading or trailing data is not found? Because if not, they could be DataNotFound instead
 
it's all up to the flag passed, if the flag is set to expect only trailing, then I should say something when there's leading
but nothing else than that sort of control
 
how do you expect a client to handle these different cases?
 
12:58 PM
@Ekin no, put the ones in the docblock that you want the client to catch
 
@Ekin Yes but they are all FormatException though. In all those cases, your flags specify a format, and the only thing you need to report is that the format was not met
 
what @DaveRandom said
 
ah that's really true
 
You can report what is wrong with the format in the exception message
So I can still say "invalid format because {$e->getMessage()}"
 
yes, that makes a lot of sense
thank you all
 
1:00 PM
:-)
 
imo every throws docblock needs code to handle it. if you supply an invalid format it's not something that should be caught imo since it's a programmer error
 
Hey , who can help me with PHP DI ? I dont get how to configure the container
 
try {
    (new App())->handleRequest($_REQUEST);
} catch (Exception $e) {
    mail('@PeeHaa', 'fixitfixitfixit', $e->getMessage());
}
 
good mornings
 
I think I will put this into all of my apps in the future
 
1:04 PM
so should we all ^
 
mornin'
 
!!uptime
 
@Gordon I have been running for 50 minutes and 39 seconds, since 2016-10-20 12:21:25
 
Jeeves is slacking
 
@Tiffany last time I checked he didnt have Slack support yet
 
1:14 PM
:D
 
that would actually be nice. Make Jeeves relay messages from and to slack
 
lol
\o/ all of the kinks have been worked out of my scheduled task to automate backing up the website database
 
@Gordon The problem with this (and an IRC thing as well) is auth. It will suck if Jeeves is the user account under which everything is posted.
 
it dumps it to a folder on the server, then copies it to two other locations
 
@DaveRandom indeed
 
1:17 PM
It would be possible to do it under different accounts with OAuth approvals, but that's not really part of Jeeves, it's another application
 
@Tiffany so mysqldump, rsync and rsync. might want to add some tar -cfz to it
 
This is part of the reason for separating the chat stuff out into a lib, because you could build off the back of that to implement such a thing
 
@Gordon copy actually, it's Windows.
 
@Tiffany ewww
 
@Gordon yeah, we're WIMP-y
 
1:18 PM
why?
 
It wasn't my decision.
it was made before I got the job. I don't know LAMP though, and have already picked up IIS.
 
Well tbf if you have a Windows-based backbone, what else are you expecting them to do?
ASP.net?
you do ASP.net
 
there are some classic ASP pages we still have to support
the website WAS originally built in classic ASP
but that was like...ten years ago
 
btw is there a final decision on manifest system?
 
1:20 PM
@Ekin yes, I have decided we will use maven and poms
 
If vbMustSupportAspSite Then objSelf.Kill
 
Can anyone recommend a tool for trawling a website for all of it's links, to be able to save them out, and then test against a new version of the site has all of the same links, and that they all still work.
e.g. I want to point it at www.example.com, have it scan the links, and then try to retrieve all of the paths from beta.example.com
 
@Gordon what my plan is, is to eventually build a crappy web server, install LAMP on it, and figure out how to make it work, but that's a personal project for the near future. I need to finish painting some stuff so I have room to tinker.
 
@Danack ext/dom or google webmaster tools
 
@Danack check for broken links?
@Danack brokenlinkcheck.com used to use this
 
1:22 PM
@Tiffany yes. Or just links that do silly redirects. Those technically wouldn't be broken, but for keeping SEO values, keeping the same paths is probably a good idea.
Oh, and it needs to work inside a corporate network, as our test sites aren't available from the general interwebz.
 
@Gordon poms... punica granatums are always nice.
 
@Danack mmm, let me see if I can find something. I figure you're looking for a freebie solution.
otherwise I'd suggest Site Improve.
 
@Ekin :D
 
@Gordon someone must have written something already.......Or I could in an afternoon I guess.
 
@Danack I guess this will check for redirects: internetofficer.com/seo-tool/redirect-check
this one looks a bit safer though redirectcheck.com
 
1:24 PM
@Danack well, GWT does what you want if I understand correctly
 
I used to use brokenlinkcheck for our site, but we switched to Site Improve earlier this year, which does a bunch of web governance stuff and makes my life so much easier.
 
@DaveRandom I realize I just told you to fuck off, however I kinda need you now :P ANd/or others who understand xpath:
That ^ doesn't find nodes, but if I remove the attributes from the node it finds it correctly
 
@PeeHaa are you regretting previous actions?
 
WTF am I doing wrong here?
@Tiffany Yes :P
 
@Tiffany Ideally, I'd like something that is completely self contained....so it can just run inside a VM reliably without having to talk to the outside world at all.
 
1:26 PM
@Danack ahhhh, fair enough. I have nothing in that regard, sorry :(
 
<3
 
@PeeHee for example, 3v4l.org/6BeWB
 
You know that is going to end up in the software right? :)
 
As it should! :)
 
1:30 PM
speaking of invoices: that makes €1k
 
I didn't use your solution @Gordon. I used @salathe's :P
 
@PeeHaa he charges more than I do. but as you wish.
also, I would have let you pay with your mum
 
Can't I just pimp out @Jimbo's mom instead? She is already here anyway
 
how about both of them?
 
You can't handle that boy
 
1:36 PM
@PeeHaa I dont want to handle a boy.
3
 
The lack of comma disturbs me
 
:P
 
@Sean indeed
 
things like fill and stroke
do you do those with a "pen" ?
 
@Sean on a side note: can you update that PR for the rebecca plugin so it uses the saturday video as the link text to the current text on saturdays?
 
1:38 PM
@JoeWatkins The things we do with @PeeHaa's mom
 
@Gordon Sure, it's been a discussion for so long I didn't know whether it was alright to go ahead with it
 
@JoeWatkins Yes
 
@JoeWatkins context?
 
@Sean I guess yes
 
Drawing a GUI (I assume)
 
1:38 PM
don't say context, I dunno what that means any more
 
I fill with a bucket
I draw strokes with a pen
 
I fill with and stroke my … pen
 
the thing you fill is called a "path" ... probably UI\Draw\Path
you used the path to draw some shape, then you fill it, using a pen .... right ?
I dunno
 
> A pen [...] is used to draw lines and outlined shapes. A brush [...] can be used to fill shapes or paint text. Color objects are instances of classes that represent a particular color, and can be used by pens and brushes to indicate the color of rendered graphics. source
 
I don't normally use a pen to fill stuff
Yes brush sounds much saner
 
1:41 PM
I think in Gimp and PS you fill things with the bucket tool
 
ah I think pen makes sense then
 
2 mins ago, by PeeHaa
I fill with a bucket
BTW we in here are probably the worst people to ask :P
 
I expect GUIs to work like MS GUIs work, so I also may not be the best person to ask. That said, if anyone knows how GUIs work, it's Microsoft.
 
Anonymous
@Gordon lol
 
I am currently in full stupid mode people sorry... DOMDoc::createTextNode properly handles the input for valid xml right?
 
Anonymous
1:44 PM
shock.
 
@PeeHaa yes
 
ty
 
Christ @Jay I can feel the sarcasm radiating through my monitor
 
to connect to an Oracle database, would it be better to use OCI, or PDO?
 
can someone explain this to me? arn't they supposedto do the same?
 
1:53 PM
$arr is being used as an array instead of a key, I think
$array[$arr]?
 
Anonymous
@Sean :D
 
@Tiffany no that's not possible.. or is it?
 
Anonymous
@Naruto no, foreach does not pass by reference
 
ye thought so
 
@Tiffany depends on your needs
 
1:58 PM
I feel like it has something to do with the fact it is passing a referenced array, because it executes fine, but when I print the array again, the values remain how they started
 
@Gordon we were provided a script by a friendly college who shared their code, they're using OCI. I've been utterly convinced by PDO, but I think OCI might be fine with how it's being used. I'm just concerned about the security of the connection.
 
1140
Q: How does 'foreach' actually work?

DaveRandomLet me prefix this by saying that I know what foreach is, does and how to use it. This question concerns how it works under the bonnet, and I don't want any answers along the lines of "this is how you loop an array with foreach". For a long time I assumed that foreach worked with the array its...

 
I have created a class named Requests for accessing to $_GET and $_POST, is it a good thing?
 
the computer that will be running the PHP script will be internal though, so I think we should be fine with connection security
 
@yessure yes
@Tiffany not sure what you mean by connection security
 
2:01 PM
@Gordon I'm wondering if oci_connect connects over an encrypted channel
 
@Gordon thx! I understand what was happening now, and why it wasn't changing
 
@Tiffany I think you should be able to see the protocol used in the connection string to the oracle database. but do you establish the connection over a wan? otherwise, I'd say you dont need an encrypted connection
anyways, heading home now. laters
or rather tomorrows
 
@Gordon connection will be entirely internal, I just work with a team that's anal about security
 
evenin room
 
\o
 
2:17 PM
o/
 
\o/
 
/o\
 
/o/
 
:P
 
      oOOOOOo
     ,|    oO
    //|     |
    \\|     |
      `-----`
And yes that totally came from an archived geocities site
 
2:23 PM
lol, I forgot about it
 
Anonymous
@PeeHaa :P
 
@PeeHaa I believe I killed it, yes. Too many reports about it and other such things.
Pretty sure it has been killed, just can't remember if it was me personally that did it ^_^
 
I will just blame you either way :)
 
> public function setColor(int $r, int $r, int $b) : void;
really ...
 
2:39 PM
Maybe that's why duplicate parameters are now an error in 7.
 
oh lol. If you wouldn't have said it I would have never noticed
 
Anonymous
^
 
@PeeHaa Some sort of terrible dilbert ascii?
 
it made me download a midi file, wat
 
Anonymous
2:46 PM
same here, haxors
 
Get a better browser (netscape proper)
 
Your website isn't awesome unless it has background music provided by a midi file.
 
See ape ^ that guy gets it
 
Hi
 
@PeeHaa Oh god why did that just download a .mid file
I hate chrome >_>
 
Anonymous
3:00 PM
@Sean I don't think chrome is the issue here :P
 
@Sean You are too young to know geocities. That's how websites used to work
 
I am not too young for geocities lol.
 
Oh right. You must have overheard you parents talking about it
:P
 
Anonymous
@PeeHaa or your mother
 
Or, I was around when geocities was a thing. Freewebs. .tk domains, back when sites like funnyjunk were cool
Flaming text and marquees, mouse trailers, coloured scrollbars. The real internet man.
 
3:03 PM
:D
 
Anonymous
I thought we were the same age @Sean ?
 
Sure I was older :P If not slightly
I'm 26 this year ftr
 
Anonymous
oh
 
Anonymous
well then it's ok for me to not have a clue what geocities are
 
Also, tables. Tables everywhere, frame navigations and target srcs, introduction pages, the birth of flash-only sites
 
Anonymous
3:06 PM
You're all old.
 
:P
 
Anonymous
!!plugin disable lmgtfy - Let Me Google That For You
 
@JayIsTooCommon Invalid plugin name
 
We were saddled with terribly slow internet, so of course everyone thought it was a great idea to force you to load a pointless splash page before you could get to any actual content.
 
Anonymous
o yeah
 
3:11 PM
Naturally all my web sites had splash pages, 'cause I wanted to be cool too.
 
Feb 27 '14 at 21:20, by PeeHaa
Feb 15 '12 at 20:42, by Levi Morrison
Best. Site. Ever. http://superior-web-solutions.com/
 
Good lord
 
All this 90's nostalgia made me want to listen to some Sugar Ray…
Somewhere the in the depths of an Apple data center the cobwebs were just blown out of a server fan as it spun back to life.
@PeeHaa That wasn't actually for real, right… please tell me that no one actually thought any of that was a good idea, even in 1999…
 
I'm fairly certain it's not fo realz
lol I am now the proud owner of this badge
Prepare yourself for annoying banners galore \o/
 
They managed to put everything bad about 90's web design into one site, it is pretty amazing.
 
3:24 PM
@Trowski Did you read the last messages of github.com/async-interop/event-loop/issues/…?
 
@Trowski Sexy right
 
My favorite part is the pr0n-style background music.
 
@PeeHaa Boo! The message exceeds the 140 character limit. :-(
 
3:26 PM
Best. Site. Ever. http://superior-web-solutions.com/
 
are r,g, and b channels like alpha is ?
or would it be incorrect to call them channels, if so what is the word ?
 
@JoeWatkins It's the right word.
 
@kelunik wait probably isn't strictly necessary, but Loop::get() is required to implement it or something like it.
 
I hate wait, it makes it a lot worse.
 
3:32 PM
Why do people insist on using mocks to test implementations rather than functionality ...
 
@Leigh So, specifying that they expect certain methods to be called of a given mock is testing the implementation really, right?
 
@Jimbo It's pretty rare that you need to make sure method X calls method Y and method Y returns Z. Test Y gives the right output for the right inputs, test X gives the right output for the right inputs. If you refactor and Y goes away, but X still works, no worries right?
 
I have literally no idea what you just said.
That's like foo() bar()
:D
 
I'm saying, test the output or the side effects, not how it gets there
 
@Leigh I get what you mean. Setting expected calls on test mocks that don't matter to the functionality being tested.
 

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