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9:02 AM
@Gordon @tpunt Ok both of your suggestions are good. I must test them both to see which works better. Thank you very much.
 
I need a new project but I dont have inspiration :(
 
@Loko make a bot for fun
 
@Naruto What kind of bot.
 
@tereško see, 2 years ago, I had a server and I used putty (ssh) for it, I remember at that time, when I wrote a part of command, it guessed the rest, for example, when wore cd /user/local/nginx/lo it guessed cd /user/local/nginx/localhost.conf
now why it is not like already ?
how can I active guessing?
 
@Sajad its, active, you are just not using it
 
9:12 AM
how can I use it ?
ctrl+space ?
like a IDE ?
 
1. when you press TAB key, it will autocomplete file/directory names
 
owwww ! you are right, that was Tab !
ok tnx
 
2. if you start pressing ARROW-UP key for a partially written command, it will show all historical commands with that beginning which what you have written
(that latter is csh feature, not available in bash)
 
@tpunt doesnt work for me. Matches only Ascii chars no Unicode
 
yes yes I knew it
@tereško what is bash ? and what is csh ?
 
9:15 AM
@Sajad also, you can run command history
 
@Loko No idea, something that trolls?
 
@Sajad bash and csh are shells (that the program which provides the command line)
 
@tereško You can use Ctrl + R for a search in bash instead.
 
@tereško like putty ? putty is a program which provides the command line
 
@Sajad no, putty "lives" about one step above
 
9:17 AM
@kelunik how I can search in putty ? (not for package)
@tereško now my server is csh or bash ?
 
not really
ehh .. I don't even know how to explain
 
ok, never mind
 
@tereško well, it's C-r in bash
 
when ever you log in, the OS begins a program: a hell
@FlorianMargaine I hater ctrl+<something> commands in shell
I way too often end up freezing my shell (with ctrl+s)
... you can revers it by ctrl+q .. for the ones who already tried
 
yeah, I mostly got that one when I used vim
C-s and C-d are pretty close :)
 
9:26 AM
@tereško my server is shell?
 
no
 
csh ?
 
the shell (which is csh) is like a php on your webserver \
php itself is not "the server" but every web application that you run on the server is executed by php
 
so, shell is like php ?! it has its own syntax ? like a language ?
 
the, the command line shells actually have a scripting language
but usually you wouldn't use it
In computing, a shell is a user interface for access to an operating system's services. In general, operating system shells use either a command-line interface (CLI) or graphical user interface (GUI), depending on a computer's role and particular operation. The design of a shell is guided by cognitive ergonomics and the goal is to achieve the best workflow possible for the intended tasks; the design can be constricted by the available computing power (for example, of the GPU) or the available amount of graphics memory. The design of a shell is also dictated by the employed computer periphery, such...
try reading
 
9:29 AM
I see, ok I wil read about it more !
tnx
now I know shell and csh are identical :-P
 
no, they are not
 
3 mins ago, by tereško
the shell (which is csh) is like a php on your webserver \
shell (which is csh)
 
in your case, I suggested you to use csh, when you were creating new user
A command shell is a command line interface computer program to an operating system. == General characteristics == == Interactive features == === Completions === Completion features assist the user in typing commands at the command line, by looking for and suggesting matching words for incomplete ones. Completion is generally requested by pressing the completion key (often the Tab ↹ key). Command name completion is the completion of the name of a command. In most shells, a command can be a program in the command path (usually $PATH), a builtin command, a function or alias. Path compl...
this could also be useful
 
has anyone got 32bit windows ?
 
@JoeWatkins pull a torrent and put on a VM .. it's like 500MB
 
9:32 AM
I don't like doing that ...
I've only got keys for 7 anyway and need 8
 
Abe
@JoeWatkins i do
 
is there a trial still ?
 
@tereško you told him to install a vbox like me ? (but install win 32bit instead of freebsd)
 
@Sajad you can install windows in vbox too
exspecially if you need to test something on a different windows than the one you currently have
 
@tereško ah, just I wanted to be sure.
 
9:35 AM
don't even have an ms account anymore
 
@tereško install a windows on vbox is like install a windows on my laptop ? (process of installing)
 
Abe
they are installs of windows + msie that frontend developers use for testing websites on old browsers
 
@Abe do i need windows for that ?
I don't use windows ...
 
Abe
> has anyone got 32bit windows ?
was answering to that, why do you need windows then? :P
 
9:36 AM
@Sajad mostly, yes. Though on vbox you can close the window, save the state and continue later
 
@tereško ah, I see
and one thing else, when we installed freebsd, we also configured it ? or just php and mysql needs to config ?
 
@All Hey, Anyone have a idea about stripe.com/docs/api#authentication
Actually, I'm not a PHP developer. Just try to execute these APIs locally in my Mac.
But seems like it's too hard for me...
 
you can download a trial of enterprise version ...
@Abe testing
 
Abe
afaik every winxp image that isn't a corporate build is a trial
 
well it's not easy to find using google, you get a bunch of crap from everywhere but microsoft
softpedia and such
 
Abe
9:40 AM
torrent?
 
no I wanna download from microsoft
 
Abe
it's not illegal as long you don't crack it and it's an actual trial version
 
it's questionably moral, and unnecessary ...
plus have you never spared a thought to why people bother to waste their bandwidth so you can download an ISO that is freely available from it's publisher ?
 
@JoeWatkins there is a cloud service at browserstack.com/list-of-browsers-and-platforms?product=live which has 32 bit windows
 
@Abe They still provide an image for IE6 on XP? ...
 
9:42 AM
@Gordon not testing web stuff ... testing C stuff ...
 
oh sorry. misunderstood then.
 
Abe
@JoeWatkins i agree, i'm a software developer too
 
@Gordon I wasn't clear ...
downloading from ms is painfully slow ...
got no money for servers nowadays I guess ...
 
Abe
9:58 AM
Fatal error: Uncaught TypeError: Argument 1 passed to Ocramius::wakeUp() must be an instance of Coffee, instance of Americano given
 
@Abe s/wakeUp/__wakeup/.
 
Abe
ehehehe :P
 
Abe
 
@Abe ;-)
 
10:06 AM
where did uchiha madara go 2? Been a while since i've seen him in this room :O
 
Yeah, actually I had to press the button myself, it was not "given".
 
Abe
@Naruto he sold his soul to node.js (cc @MadaraUchiha)
 
@kelunik eh, __wakeup is always called without arguments :-(
 
O god no :(
 
So we assume he's forever locked away by a false promise?
 
10:08 AM
@Sajad what would be the "it" in this case? Are refering to shell?
 
@Ocramius That's actually not true, if there's somebody to give you a coffee: 3v4l.org/dgPbb
 
Abe
@Ocramius :)
 
But that's how it may be in reality: 3v4l.org/mVtNi
 
its fun to see that only little people even see the question related to amazon s3
why I feel like stackoverflow loosing its popularity
 
10:20 AM
Provisioning failed with exit code 0. Again. #DevOops
it's really just a bad day
 
10:39 AM
beer helps
 
@tereško no, actually I'm writing a note of what we did, (implementing a virtual box + OS + webserver + php and mysql)
now I want to know, what things need to be confing ?
 
in broad strokes: you need to configure vbox (for port forwarding), ssh (to be used with RSA or ECDSA keys), php-fpm, nginx and mysql
those whould be the 5 major parts
 
very well
 
for php-fpm it need to set up php.ini file (mostly by copying php.ini-development) and edit php-fpm.conf file to use a socket, which proper permissions
for nginx you need to mostly past the two configuration file there (you should later try readin up what they actually mean)
and for mysql there was this tutorial you mostly followed
 
uhum
I see ...
 
10:48 AM
the "setting up ssh" is the tricky part, because you still dont understand en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public-key_cryptography
 
@tereško I hate this part
 
you need to understand it
 
Unfortunately yes :(
 
@tereško http://chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/25360743#25360743
http://chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/25360866#25360866
 
@tereško that's indeed the plan.
Getting drunk for lunch and dissipating it all on the flight back to Germany.
 
10:53 AM
@tereško I have a favor of you, I will buy a VPS maybe 2 next day. I want of you to help me to start-up it ... (exactly like vbox), but I promise to be a {good, fast, clever} student ... and also I will buy it when you tell you have free time .., you will help me?
I know, it is a big favor ...
 
@Sajad nice now could you do me a favour ? i want little help on stackoverflow.com/questions/32268547/… know my question is dumb but i am kind of clueless
 
@Richerdfuld I read you question, but actually I'm novice a bit, I can not help you, be patient, other will help you ..
 
thanks for looking it even .... :)
 
just incase anyone was wondering ... I'm still installing software (vc) all these hours later ...
I really hate windows ... what the fuck is it doing ...
 
@JoeWatkins Why are you installing VC?
 
11:05 AM
to test stuff on windows ...
 
lol
let someone else do it
 
what is VC?
 
not sure if the build system is up for pecl/php7 yet, so it won't get done if I don't do it ... and I left it in a state that couldn't even be compiled ... it deserves a few hours of my time ... but its all been taken by ms ...
well Jan-E at apache friends helps with testing, but she couldn't even build ...
 
Abe
@MarcelBurkhard visual c
 
and then I fucked up the fix like four or five times ... so I better just check ...
 
11:08 AM
@Sajad I can help you, and I do have free time
 
Hi,guys what is the difference between ce->default_static_member_table and ce->static_member_table?
 
but I really hope I wont have to do as much spoon-feeding this time around
 
@tereško excellent !
 
@JasonYoung the former is those declared by class entry declaration/registration (if internal), the latter is the storage of the actual static values
 
I was saying, that I hope I wont have to spell everything out for you this time
 
11:11 AM
@tereško I got it, ok ! I need to help really less than before !
 
@tereško would you help me too ... i know little programming but not in proper way .. just name the thing i need to learn that's it ... ill do it myself
its better to know than asking dumb question ... which i am doing now :(
 
you really shouldn't ping people at random
 
@JoeWatkins So if i declaration public static $height = '120cm'; in one of my class and which hight will be in default_static_member_table and '120cm' will store in static_member_table?
 
I apologize for disturbing you like this
 
@JoeWatkins ce->properties_info was what the value stored
 
11:16 AM
no the name is in prop ino
prop info stores offset
the default will be in the default_static_members_table, which is then copied to static_member_table, then static_member_table is changed if you change the var, not the default table
which is needed intact for inheritance and such ...
 
ok, if there is no any inheritance and I didn't modify the value then the the value in default_static_member and static_member_table are totally same?
 
then when you fetch a static zend_std_get_static_property you end up reading from the static_members_table lxr.php.net/xref/PHP_TRUNK/Zend/zend_API.h#237
as mentioned to preserve defaults, at various times they might have the same address ...
what are you doing anyway ?
 
Do you know runkit?
I found a runkit's bug
segmentation fault when I try to replace a class
 
I know runkit ...
/me hides
 
lxr.php.net/xref/PECL/runkit/runkit_import.c#222 At this place, It try to alloc new memory to store new class's static properity. But he only copyd the default_static_member_table and did't copy static_member_table.
 
11:33 AM
it's .... too terrible, I can't look ...
I wrote uopz to avoid looking at runkit ...
 
But got this error Block 0x7fd293d8fba8 status:
/usr/home//php-5.4.11/Zend/zend_alloc.c(2539) : Actual location (location was relayed)
Beginning: Cached
Freed (invalid)
Start: OK
 
look at zend_do_inheritance and the like, what you need to do is floating around in zend somewhere ...
 
Okey.
What does location was relayed mean?
 
@JasonYoung learn to ask lxr ... lxr.php.net/…
 
11:45 AM
@Gordon expected rebecca ^^
 
@MarcelBurkhard make sure to check more footage
 
New approach to #agile: immutable sprints. Nothing moves out of the “sprint backlog”: if it does, it’s a new product and needs re-speccing
did I ever mention that agile is bullshit?
Well, not from a business perspective, but from a practical work perspective it is :P
 
@Ocramius the core of agile is the preamble of the manifesto. not sprints or scrum.
 
@Gordon ahh I see :D
 
11:48 AM
I think everyone skipped over that nowadays
 
Thx again @JoeWatkins
 
@Ocramius that's a people problem then. it doesn't make agile bullshit.
When I gave my talk Are you Agile yet at IPC two years ago, I asked people to tell me what's the first thing in the manifesto. audience failed indeed.
@Ocramius immutable sprints is meant ironic, right?
 
@Gordon much like parallel universe
 
because it doesnt align with embracing change and feels much more like phase driven
 
every decision in a sprint leads to a completely new product
@Gordon ofc it's ironic btw
 
11:58 AM
Can some symfony expert give an opinion in https://github.com/dunglas/DunglasApiBundle/issues/243 please? :)
Thanks!
 
@Ocramius I think that goes without saying
 
@Ocramius on a side note: sorry for not chatting at froscon but was busy looking after the little one all day long and didnt see you at the bbq later
 
@Gordon no problem at all, I actually left right after @beberlei's talk
So I got there, talked, left (pretty much)
 
ah, I see.
 
2 hrs conferencing, 5 hrs driving
\o/
 
12:05 PM
 
posted on August 28, 2015 by kbironneau

/* by fil090302 */

 
damn that froscon would've been within reach ... missed opportunity
 
@Gordon hey, I had NO IDEA that froscon had food in first place
 
and this year, all food was free
 
    Feature: conference
        I want to go to a conference and have fun

    Scenario: Go to a conference and attempt to have fun
        Given I am an Italian illegal immigrant
        When I go to a conference
        And I enter the main door
        Then I expect to pay a fee
        And I expect nobody to welcome me
        And all the food is to be paid for
on the plus side, I had a load of sushi for my birthday, so that's compensating for this massive loss
 
12:28 PM
@Trowski from a lang design perspective, I liked that solution too :)
 
12:44 PM
I can't remember all, but these are my main pet peeves today:

- traits
- references // the reason y we can't have arrayof, or least require the `&` on both sides
- [$obj, 'method']() // "array callables", would use a dedicated lang construct instead
- static closures // because they don't make any sense
- non strict arg count // but heck let's not bring up this discussion again
- variable variables
- ERROR level buffet
 
Abe
@LeviMorrison i would kill __clone and just have a clone() method. fixed arguments count. would have a simpler syntax, like class A{ foo() : Baz{} }, strict classes with fields not addable dynamically, object wrappers for scalars, reflection as in java, remove warnings and notices
 
one week… 12389 new messages… nice.
 
he is talking about feature you'd want to remove, not add from scratch
 
Abe
i wrote something to remove :P
 
@marcio you have then state if you need and do not need the reference hack for anonymous recursion… @LeviMorrison surely is jumping up and down as he realized that :-D
 
12:53 PM
@bwoebi óÒ
 
@ircmaxell yep… and we're not bound to constraints of an existing op_array there (like opcache is), but can freely move things around just as needed.
@NikiC an active room, no? I left this computer last Friday at ±9 a.m. … and yeah.
 
@bwoebi you can't easily rebind though :D
 
Morning
 
@marcio you just need an anon function wrapper then.
 
mornin @PeeHaa
 
12:56 PM
@PeeHaa sleepyhead
 
@DaveRandom say what?!
 
You'll see if you inspect properly
 
something with ass!
 
@Gordon More vulgar than I think it is?
 
Abe
@DaveRandom ha
 
12:57 PM
(function() {
    return (new class($this) {
        function __construct($that) { $this->that = $that; }
        function __invoke() { ... }
    })();
})();
 
@DaveRandom pretty rude
 
@DaveRandom lol
 
I'll go with Engrish then
 
@bwoebi (new class extends UserlandClosurePlus {})->call($newthis, ...);
 
@DaveRandom still pretty rude ;)
 
12:58 PM
I vote for whichever is more rude, given the context.
 
@DaveRandom hm why? that obviously… a moving message by a non-room owner...
@marcio hehe
but you have no auto-$this binding...
 
@DaveRandom it deserves praise not insults ;)
 
insults double as praise here
 
@bwoebi Not that obvious if you're not really awake.
 
@kelunik normal people unlike me usually are awake at this time…
 
1:01 PM
@PaulCrovella nah, that's only true for that certain other room
 
@bwoebi 9 AM, nope, not really. I didn't sleep for two hours then, but I'm not really awake. :P
 
@kelunik 9:00?! @DaveRandom is not in America, I thought?
 
@bwoebi 6 hours ago?
 
@kelunik but he said "Arschloch" right now?
 
Yeah, but I thought the same earlier today ;-) (but not that rude)
 
1:05 PM
I've clicked my own Friday link so many times so far today!..
 
Oh, well, hehe
 
@salathe 6 times and counting so far :_:
 
I'm holding back on posting a Rebecca link... until you guys least expect it.
 
@salathe so, you're waiting for tomorrow?
 
@bwoebi haha, maybe :)
 
1:07 PM
hello!
 
Or Sunday, or Monday, or...
Howdy @NubPro
 
and... JIRA is full again, I need one season of unemployment in order to put my desired RFCs on track :v
 
@salathe … next Friday… RIGHT!!!
 
Are there anyone here who has the experience to implement Google oAuth API?
 
@marcio just take six months paid vacation? :-P
 
Anonymous
1:08 PM
damn you @NullPoiиteя
 
@salathe yo
 
@bwoebi I can only have 1~2 months and it can't be now.
 
@Gordon idk, to me that's a "friendly" insult, if there is such a thing
 
@DaveRandom where does unfriendly insult start for you?
 
@DaveRandom hard to tell with no other cues. next time try adding an emote or something. if someone flags it, I am sure it'll be validated.
 
1:12 PM
@bwoebi basically BBC pre/post watershed rules
@Gordon Ah yeh that's true
 
@DaveRandom no idea what you're talking about?
 
I'll bin it for good measure
@bwoebi What you can/can't say before 9pm
I'll find a list if you want
 
ah well
 
1 message moved to bin
 
@DaveRandom "1 message moved to bin" ?! oh !! another tool in this room: moving message). Really stackoverflow is powerful ...
 
1:33 PM
@Sajad make sure you check the messages @Abe moved to bin (see sidebar)
 
ok !
 
Incoming asshole in 3...2... :P
 
Morning!
 
Mogoring @Danack
 
I think it's may be a good idea to invalidate sessions when both IP and User-Agent change, but just update them if only one thing changes, what do you think?
 
1:36 PM
I don't see any legit use case for switching either during a session
 
@PeeHaa Phones changing networks or mobile testing in desktop browsers.
 
@kelunik How often do phones change network?
Hmmm 4g/wifi switch perhaps yeah
 
^ exactly that
 
Yeah I just answered my own question there :P
 
@PeeHaa every 1km when travelling on a train.
 
1:39 PM
@Danack Does that really change the network?
 
Your public IP probably, but I'm not sure.
 
Yep, can change the IP address....
 
Oh I would have thought they would have routed all that
 
as opposed to every km when travelling by other means?
 
@PeeHaa yeah, especially in foreign countries where you change carriers all the time…
 
1:40 PM
@bwoebi I don't have that issue in other countries I have been
 
tbh I doubt it has anything to do with roaming handovers, there'll just be a giant MPLS cloud with MIMO nodes, it's essentially random for any given NAT session
(I would imagine)
 
Mobile phone networks are rubbish....they all just grew without any real thought about how they would work.
 
@PeeHaa you don't if you consistently have a strong signal… but when it intermittently gets shortly lost, then you do.
 
@DaveRandom That's what I wou;ld have also thought only with less fancy acronyms I don't understand
 
@PaulCrovella Too-chez.
 
1:42 PM
Good mroning
 
@PeeHaa MPLS is, for the purposes of this conversation, a gigantic virtual LAN switch, and MIMO is "multi-in multi-out", meaning you will effectively have a bunch of VLANs and multiple load-balanced pipes to the internet
 
But if both change at the same time, it's a good sign that something's wrong.
 
MPLS is also a lot more things, but for simplicity that definition is good enough
 
@DaveRandom Yeah sounds about right to me
 
@ircmaxell morning
 
1:44 PM
@ircmaxell o/
 
what's the good word?
 
"friday"
 
@ircmaxell definitely this:
 
user895378
Is it possible for a file to not have an mtime attribute?
 
user895378
(and: morning)
 
1:52 PM
@rdlowrey will be set to some value then… usually timestamp 0.
 
@Gordon saw that last week
@rdlowrey yes, when you mount the FS with nomtime
 
user895378
I ask because I'm trying to trouble shoot my first pernicious scalar type error :)
 
user895378
Somehow got a null where a passed mtime parameter is supposed to be an int ...
 
1:54 PM
thanks sth!
 
I could be wrong there...
 
@rdlowrey what Driver?
 
@rdlowrey does the file exist?
 
user895378
@ircmaxell not sure ... have a "I got this error" report ... just looking into how it would be possible
 
user895378
Hard to tell without a reproduce case, of course.
 
1:59 PM
windows?
 
user895378
don't think so. Just going to add an assert() for now so that if it happens again I can get more debug information
 

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