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10:01 AM
@Fabor Dunno about nicer. That's technically in Salford :-P
(by like 15 ft or something)
 
It's fine, I'll get @Jimbo to walk me home. Fairly sure I can out run him.
 
He rides a power bike ^^
 
Yeh, but very badly
 
It was actually a few quid cheaper tbf. So I am all sorted. Flights, accommodation and tickets.
Well I need to get from the airport to the city but I assume that's pretty straight forward.
 
There are trams, and there's usually a shuttle service for conf delegates run by some volunteers but that was mostly organised by Jenny and she's not in Manc any more so... not sure how that's going to work out
 
10:12 AM
Trams, how quaint. Is it far? As in Train vs Bus, which would you opt for considering the location I am going to.
 
rOOawr
 
hmm, if someone edits my answer to include a website link with an article they wrote, bad thing right?
 
Well tram will get you to Market St which is about 5 mins walk away, train will get you to Pic which is about 15, and buses are for Those People.
> What am I supposed to do, take a bus? You take a bus.
 
lol. Tram it is. No need to book in advance for that I presume.
 
ok, I am officially "fully awake" now
 
10:24 AM
Cocaine will do that for you.
 
@tereško What time is it over where you live?
 
@NikiC 1pm
 
^
 
Hah
If it's any consolation, I only got up an hour ago as well :)
 
I got up almost 4 hours ago
I just fell like my head was filled willed with cotton wool
 
10:28 AM
Ah right, you're those working folk :P
 
nope
not working, just learning these days
 
"learning"
 
What are you learning?
 
@SergeyTelshevsky aha, but why for a cronjob should I use of $dbh = null but for search in to database should not ?
 
@NikiC currently I am reading this: leanpub.com/understandinges6/read
 
10:30 AM
my plant is trying to escape its place at the window...
 
@Fabor No. It's a fucking rip off (~£5 from airport to town or something stupid), but you just get tickets from machines on the platform.
What time are you getting in to the airport?
You did tell me but I've forgotten and am lazy
 
WTF is with this answer being upvoted so much? stackoverflow.com/a/10473026/1400768
 
@DaveRandom Could be worse. But I dunno how far that is. After you pay £80 per night on a hotel, £5 doesn't feel so bad.
 
Soo.. pt. a legacy app on 5.3.3.7 is using a md5(staticSalt . pwd) hashing ..
have to implement something new.. but atm.. any php upgrade is denied
 
@tereško That looks like a good time investment. Do you use JS much?
 
10:32 AM
I land at 16:05 @DaveRandom
 
Depending on what happens, I might be able to come pick you up
 
@NikiC a lot more than anyone with "php developer" job title should do
 
@RonniSkansing md5(pwd . salt) would make it only a bit better.
 
@RonniSkansing 5.3.3.7 from debian or something?
 
10:33 AM
ubuntu =[
so exactly it is
 
@RonniSkansing which version exactly?
 
PHP 5.3.3-7+squeeze26
 
debian/ubuntu backport a lot of stuff, so github.com/ircmaxell/password_compat could work
 
I tried
 
10:34 AM
@DaveRandom Cool thanks, no pressure. Easiest if there's something happening Friday evening.
 
it fails on the test
So I have been reading into stackoverflow.com/questions/12459896/…
 
@Sajad because when it's an http request it's usually <3 seconds, then you hand the page to the client and the connection is closed implicitly, while cronjob will keep it open until the process finishes
 
Anonymous
@tereško don't you feel like learning a new thing outside programing? Maybe it's me, but I find it horrifiyng to dedicate the only and one lifetime I have to infinite code-crunching.
 
@RonniSkansing indeed
 
10:36 AM
@SergeyTelshevsky ow, that was clever ! thanks
 
@FlorianMargaine so I considered using the phpass, it's a single file and quite easy to integrate into the legacy project
 
@samaYo like what? Gimme an example of what other profession you will want to have at age 60. Or haven't you really thought it through
 
@RonniSkansing I'd use that too
 
Great thanks =] Now just my last concern
 
@Fabor Basically it depends what time there's someone to drink with :-P
 
10:39 AM
@Sajad the cron script should make a "pid file" when it's starts running. In this file you can store the progress state of the long-running cronjob. That way when your website can also provide a progress bar for said process.
 
@nhahtdh viewed 417494 times
 
@nhahtdh Parkinson's law of triviality
Basically what this question tells us is that the vast majority of people don't understand substring search.
 
Anonymous
@tereško It's about learning new things, not stopping what you are doing. Think of it as something that just gives you more knowledge about a completely different subject. It doesn't have to be a job, it could be a hobby ....
 
Anonymous
wild random hint: scuba diving it's another form of reality with it's own rules and beauty to appreciate
 
@samaYo so .. how would you earn the moniez ?
 
10:44 AM
as a scuba diving teacher
that doesn't pay well though ^^
 
@samaYo would I be correct to assume, that you still dont have to work for living?
 
Anonymous
@tereško yes, but not by choice.
 
@DaveRandom lol yes. That'd be the "Something happening"
 
sorry but that sounds like an excuse to me
 
in that case, you really don't really have the required experience to comprehend what it means to work for food, shelter and bills.
 
Anonymous
10:48 AM
@MarcelBurkhard I have to go to a nearest supermarket to use a wifi on a tablet I got as a gift, which I use as a cellphone because I can't afford to buy one. Not quite a lavish lifestyle ehh
 
=] pastebin.com/kRm2NKCy these are the hash/verify .. I will use the blowfish route, but what is purpose of the return of a '*' if the other hashing method fails?.
 
Man, the amount of crap I have in my gists gist.github.com/srgoogleguy/a617f3c943a709fec018
 
@tereško got it @tereško thanks.
 
@Sherif That needs more dvs
 
and @tereško please accept my request on skype !
 
10:49 AM
and for some reason I have like 5 different implementations of that in 4 different languages.
 
why? Leave my skype alone
 
@samaYo yes but couldn't your for example work in the storage of said supermarket or something like that? small jobs to save up some money for a laptop or a surf-stick with 4G or something?
 
Anonymous
@tereško plus, I quite highschool and started working to support myself until I was forced to immigrate .. so I have payed more than anyone else just for work, I gave up my dream of going to a university for it :/
 
@samaYo You mean you quit high school?
quit quite quietly ;)
 
@Sherif obviously, or since when is highschool a verb?
 
10:52 AM
@MarcelBurkhard When you're high
 
@tereško why ?! just accept !
 
Anonymous
@MarcelBurkhard it's not that easy.
 
@Sajad and who are you?
@samaYo didn't say so
 
@Sajad because accepted user's can see other personal information, like address and phone number and peronal email
 
@MarcelBurkhard your mean is he need to know me for accepting ?
 
10:53 AM
@samaYo what you mean with you were forced to immigrate?
 
so my answer is: fuck no
 
@Sajad well, yes
 
@tereško how's your gaming pc doing btw?
 
Anonymous
@MarcelBurkhard that kinda makes the point II regret quiting highschool .. I'm now illitrate for life :)
 
@MarcelBurkhard very well, :)
worth every cent
 
10:56 AM
@tereško I've actually stopped gaming and sold one of my graphics cards
 
@MarcelBurkhard However, you can and should point and laugh at @Fabor
 
... for now ...
GTX 980 Ti is quite nice :D
 
@DaveRandom did you do stuff with fakeroot/debootstrap?
 
@tereško look, I'm a novice programmer, I like to have add some professional programmer on my add-list, just it! I don't need to your phone number or your address.
 
@DaveRandom what did he do? Sleep at the speech of someone? :P
 
10:57 AM
Who would be so rude as to do that? :P
 
@Sajad and you expect free of charge tutoring, you're delusional
 
@FlorianMargaine No, I know of them but that's about it, why?
@MarcelBurkhard
 
that was you right?
 
@DaveRandom got some issues with them, wanted to know if you could help ^^
 
Yes, yes it was me.
 
10:58 AM
He didn't just sleep, he snored.
 
@DaveRandom ;D got ya, now why do I need to laugh about Fabor
 
Anonymous
@MarcelBurkhard No I just said, "I will leave my family, friends, school, my dog risk my life, waste the golden years of my life traveling to be a second class citizen and drink ice tea in some country".
 
I also had to pull off the motorway to have a sleep in the car on the way down in the middle of the day
 
@samaYo I just don't understand, are you from a country where there is war and you are here in asylum, thus not allowed to work?
 
anyway @tereško I will send you a request every day ! Finally, you'll have to accept !!!
 
11:00 AM
@Sajad he can just report you on the second attempt ;)
 
@MarcelBurkhard I thought he was from germany .. they havent been at war for some time
 
@MarcelBurkhard I don't want free of charge tutoring, Sometimes I just need advice
 
@MarcelBurkhard Because not only is his PC broken, he failed to listen to me (and obviously I'm super awesome and know All The Things) about why it was broken and bought a new mobo and CPU when that is not what was broken. I admit that "point and laugh" is somewhat harsh.
 
@DaveRandom :D yeah well... one should narrow down the cause of the issue before starting to replace parts :)
You don't rewrite your application when you forgot to start the web server either :P
Lets just hope @Fabor can send the stuff back for a refund :)
 
Wait, what? I've been buying a new server and writing a new application every time the web server stops, are you saying there's another way?
 
11:03 AM
no free tutoring
:P
gotta work, cu
 
FTR I tried an alternative GPU and it was still broken. My mobo at the time didn't have onboard display so I couldn't test sans-GPU.
 
@DaveRandom systemctl restart apache2
 
Odds are I had two faulty components.
 
@FlorianMargaine isnt it usually: service apache2 restart ?
 
@Fabor go kiss Chris
@tereško Debian has moved to systemd
 
11:05 AM
@FlorianMargaine He's not my type.
 
Same for centos iirc
 
Anonymous
@Orangepill sorry for the bounty, I was late and SO awarded the bounty to another user.
 
@FlorianMargaine I have been using it on centos and freebsd
 
@tereško service is aliased to systemctl for bc though, so it'd still work
 
... so you are saying that systemd as assimilated another aspect
 
11:07 AM
I'm saying that Debian didn't want to break everything, so they aliased service to still work (you can't have 2 init systems)
 
basically
 
Anonymous
@FlorianMargaine the service command is much simple, systemctl is harder .. I hope they don't drop the alias sooner
 
wow wtf
 
That said... It was a jab at @DaveRandom because he's on centos, so he uses httpd, not apache2 :P
 
No, he uses nginx
 
11:11 AM
That too
 
Anonymous
@MarcelBurkhard like I said last time, if there is a job available you know of let me know pls.
 
I tried service httpd fuckoff but it span me some bullshit about not being implemented or something
 
@samaYo yes
 
Anonymous
@DaveRandom is single-handedly the guy who got me out of shared hosting and into using my own vps, centos, nginx ... and all the maintenance nightmares that came with it, @DaveRandom for all the migraines you have caused me, I would like to say thank you :D
 
Anonymous
@MarcelBurkhard thanks. I can send you my CV if you want but apart from the internship I did at LIIP there is nothing else to see, as my previous job was all about language translation and freight forwarding.
 
Anonymous
11:19 AM
which may be the reason why I can sèem to be getting anywhere.
 
@DaveRandom So basically it told you to fuck off?
 
@NikiC Pretty sure that's what Apache does whenever you ask it to do basically anything
@samaYo yw :-P
 
why is youtube so terrible at recommending channels?
 
@tereško Because recommending stuff is hard.
 
it's currently recommending NickiMinajAtVEVO to me
.. when my music history on youtube is exclusively made up from various doom-metal songs
 
Anonymous
11:29 AM
plans to buy a new laptop extended to next year :) bbc.com/news/technology-33675734
 
I watched a few "funniest vines" videos and now my recommended is lewd pictures of ladies bending over.
 
@samaYo there is always "then next thing"
I had stuck in that cycle, when I was looking for my first smartphone
.. though, I was lucky, because I bought mine when current generations improvement leveled out
 
Anonymous
1000 times faster is not the next thing, it's the (next * 1000) thing :)
 
also, I notice that there are no mentions of year in that article for when the tech will be available for consumers
 
Anonymous
> If all goes to plan, the first products to feature 3D XPoint (pronounced cross-point) will go on sale next year. Its price has yet to be announced.
 
Anonymous
11:39 AM
@rdlowrey was looking at Arya last night, am I missing something here github.com/rdlowrey/Arya/blob/master/examples/my_app.php#L20 because the response class does not have that type of constructor here github.com/rdlowrey/Arya/blob/master/lib/Response.php
 
for echoing variables between html tags, do I use of <?php echo $var; ?> or <? echo $var; ?> ?
<?php or <?
 
 
Anonymous
use <?php or for such cases better use <?=
 
@samaYo keep in mind that consumer grade tech currently is NAND .. with no upgrade to SLC/MLC
 
@samaYo I use of pure php, can I use of <?= ? I think that is just for Codeigniter
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Anonymous
11:43 AM
@Sajad no, that's pure php lol
 
@samaYo ok
 
@samaYo arya has been refactored for 1.0 maybe its because of that
 
@Fabor Nah, I'll just pretend I'm going to be bum-raped by a php dev; my adrenaline will kick in and I'll fly past
 
pretend?
 
@DaveRandom I'd have to, I've told you before I can't feel anything when you're doing it
 
11:49 AM
Welp. It just got real weird.
 
:D
I only came in to respond to that - dev night out in Liverpool beginning at 3
 
12:06 PM
Filed under shirts I want but don't want to pay for.
 
posted on July 29, 2015 by kbironneau

/* by DutchGrover */

 
@samaYo The example is just not up to date, use new Response(["body" => $body, "status" => 200]) instead. Just create a PR and I'll merge it later.
 
oooh
I think I found a way to skip the windows 10 que ^^
 
user895378
12:20 PM
@Fabor Actually yes, within the next week or two. Now that I've finalized the underlying lib APIs I'm ready to fix all the terribleness in artax.
 
Cool :)
 
user895378
@samaYo No, you're not missing anything. It looks like that example code is outdated. The Response there should take an associative array instead: new Response(["body" => $body, "status" => 200]);
 
@NikiC why don't we squeeze zend_arg_info's pass_by_ref, allow_null and is_variadic members into one?
 
12:37 PM
@nikita2206 Currently it wouldn't make any difference
It was add anything more we should switch to a flags field, yes
 
@NikiC exactly one more?
cause I have one
 
@nikita2206 Yes, exactly one more
 
That's because of padding?
 
I'd recommend you to combine allow_null and is_variadic only and leave pass_by_ref alone (as it's not a single bit)
@nikita2206 yup. Adding another zend_bool would cost us 8 bytes there
 
Ok, thanks
pass_by_ref is used as a boolean though
If I don't miss anything, in zend_compile.c , only 1 will be set to it
 
12:44 PM
@nikita2206 Nope, pass_by_ref is a tri-oolean ^^
 
Oh... thanks
 
Can anyone help me to install phpdbg (phpdbg.com/docs/introduction)? for me, there is no folder /usr/share/php-src. I installed php with apt.
 
Anonymous
someone needs to pay the billz ramanujanramanujan.com
 
@Thomas131 Which version of PHP are you using?
 
12:49 PM
sigh… phpdbg.com site still exists…
 
5.5.9
That is maybe the problem ...
 
@Thomas131 Then you're probably out of luck. You'd have to compile PHP yourself
 
I see
phpdbg is just for 5.4
 
@Thomas131 nah. from 5.4 upwards.
Point is, phpdbg is just not bundled in 5.4 and 5.5
 
ok
 
12:51 PM
@bwoebi You need to shout at Dejan about that iirc, he is still floating around, he was in the other day, I have him on gtalk if you want me to back-channel it
 
Hey =] everyone in 11 is the best
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@DaveRandom I'll come back when PHP 7 docs for phpdbg exist.
 
Except me. I'm the worst.
@bwoebi I'll ask him to prepare for it in some way, e.g. maybe transfer the site hosting to my VPS so I can just switch it to a redirect to php.net when the time comes (or give someone else access to wherever it's hosted atm to do the same)
 
good idea
 
Out of curiosity
Is it hard to make a simple basic social network in PHP MySQL ?
 
12:59 PM
Good afternoon.
 

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