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9:00 AM
Or what @Ja͢ck proposed…
 
I'll have another look at it later tonight and see if I can put together a comprehensive solution.
 
@Ja͢ck , I think that it's better to check all *_u* functions that compares values.
array_diff_ukey also fixed
 
9:21 AM
@NikiC while working on your generatorReturn patch … Half of the things I change I need to revert because I only later realize how smart you are… :-D
and yeah… I ended up working without refcounter :-)
 
anyone using Cmder here ?
 
@NikiC What is the value of $var when doing $var = yield from array(1); ?
NULL?
 
posted on March 04, 2015 by kbironneau

/* by @ericsson_el */

 
hello guys
what is the best way to get better at PHP?
I mean yeah make projects but mine aren't that good I mean I got a facebook like button but i doubt it would be good with 1 mill users as it will lag
 
9:37 AM
@NikiC I see what you mean. There's now much more parsing logic in context sensitive lexer patch than before. I'm not sure yet whether I should change my vote.
It's a tradeoff… I'm not sure what weighs more here.
 
ThW
@La3eb Here is no "best" way, but many different ones.
 
@La3eb depends on what level you are at and what your goal is
 
hello guys
 
anyone has an idea why preg_match returns false when it clearly shouldn't ?
 
@MikeM. , preg_match() returns 1 if the pattern matches given subject, 0 if it does not, or FALSE if an error occurred.
 
9:48 AM
I know that.
I used regex101.com to test it.
it works fine there.
Pasting sources to pastebin
 
@MikeM. , would you like to show it?
Also, have your read the note from documentation?
 
i have a question guys
on the cron jobs
i'm not yet familiar on how linux command does
 
http://pastebin.com/buRaS5RE
I was already working on the pastebin link :-P
 
i wanted to have a subscription newsletter on every friday i want to email them about random quotes
 
$match returns int(0) A.K.A Boolean FALSE
while it really shouldn't
regex test:
https://regex101.com/r/uI9cB1/1
 
9:51 AM
@MikeM. , please, write that function returns false when function returns false.
 
@sectus what?
it's not a function, I just use it inline.
it returns int(0) which is equal to boolean(false) anyways
 
I really just don't get where the issue is.
 
@JoeWatkins YOOO
 
@MikeM. , it's not equal to boolean(false), false has different meaning.
 
9:55 AM
hai @FlorianMargaine
 
"Warning
This function may return Boolean FALSE, but may also return a non-Boolean value which evaluates to FALSE."
 
@MikeM. , use single quotes around your regex instead of double quotas.
 
Didn't change a single thing :-P
 
I always forget that ZEND_HASH_FOREACH_END(); macro…
 
var_dumped the $file variable, seems okay as I need it.
 
9:59 AM
 
however the $file does contain multiple of such lines...
wait let me share a screenshot
see
it is saved, just in case you mention that. I just spaced something away...
 
what is the page source of opened page?
 
as it should be
wait
it's multilined
so i should either use /m or /gm
if you don't use either the token m or gm it will only check 1 line from string to end string not multilined...
 
@webarto nice pics :)
 
bad news is bad ...
 
10:10 AM
Great joke… ?? is right assoc and ?: left assoc -.-
@JoeWatkins What's up?
 
@JoeWatkins What's wrong?
 
bits of a 16 year old missing girl were found last night
 
Ye that's indeed sad.
 
horrific
 
We have had a sicko in our country last days/week
the mother is accused of murdering her own 7 year old son.
 
10:13 AM
I wish we could detect broken people ...
 
While there have been several warnings and researches that she is not "on the right path"
They should be hung up from the highest tree near by.
No mercy for such people.
 
it's remarkable that there is nothing different about you and me, and the kind of person that would do something like the crimes we're talking about ...
 
well, there is.
they got caught.
:P
 
after damage was done.
 
FWIW, happens all the time, it just gets pumped up by news whenever they don't have anything else to say and/or have something to cover up somewhere else
obviously not an justification, just saying that I'm not much more horrified than other days
 
10:17 AM
murder is common, dismembering a body, not common ...
 
@JoeWatkins I have zero mercy for such people, no matter who they killed, they would deserve the same in my opinin.
same as pedo seksuals, touch a child, cut the balls.
 
I can't imagine what it takes to chop up a person, alive or dead, friend or foe ...
 
@JoeWatkins Me neither.
It's disgusting just to think about it.
 
> dismembering a body, not common
wouldn't be sure
 
well I'm only aware of reported crimes, of the reported ones, in this country, it's not common
that's better ...
 
10:23 AM
not really.
 
why are they in a box? :(
 
As of the topic we were talking about, I seen a horrific video on youtube about a kitten and a snake.
no thanks, not better.
 
you've never heard of the unit of measure "A boxworth of kittens" ? @FlorianMargaine
 
my wife works at an animal shelter... when cats are in a box, it's usually not a good sign :(
 
10:28 AM
@bwoebi wut
 
I just discovered it while editing T_YIELD_FROM into the associativity list…
 
nevermind, right assoc is totally correct for that
was confused for a moment about which is which :D
 
yeah, would be correct for ?: too…
 
@FlorianMargaine *lunchbox
 
but this way it's inconsistent…
 
10:30 AM
I'm more interested in correct than consistent ;)
 
But BC has highest priority, right?
 
BC is not relevant here, right?
 
I mean for ?:
 
ah
imho we could safely fix it, practically nobody uses left assoc ternary
but too late for php 7
 
Yay… compiled for first time… and no segfault… but… Generator immediately returned. Fixed this and now I got segfaults ^^
So… like always… if it doesn't segfault after first compile… something went very wrong :-D
@NikiC what do I need to do to initialize Generator execute data? Is zend_generator_ensure_initialized(generator); all I need to do? (before I begin putting that in header because I'd need to call it in vm_def)
no… judging from function body… doesn't seem so.
 
10:39 AM
you shouldn't have to explicitly initialize anything
that's done when the generator is created
 
Hmhm… okay… then there's probably something else wrong when I have generator->execute_data == NULL
 
$this->conn->insert_id always return 0

$user="INSERT INTO `users` (`fname`,`lname`,`email`,`password`,`alternate_email`,`phon`,`address`,`gender`) VALUES
('$userdata[fname]','$userdata[lname]','$userdata[email]',md5('$userdata[password]'),'$userdata[alternate_email]','$userdata[phon]',
'$userdata[address]','$userdata[gender]')";
$this->conn->query($user);
$role="INSERT INTO `users_roles` (`user_id`,`role_id`) VALUES (".$this->conn->insert_id.",3)";
echo $role;
 
@bwoebi its null if the generator was closed
i.e. it already returned, an exception was thrown or the object was destroyed
 
yep, it returned…
 
11:04 AM
@asim FREE SQLI?!?
"md5('$userdata[password]')" please no.
 
@MikeM. why?
 
Fix 1) Use prepared statements
Fix 2) Use something else for password protection like Password_Hash for E.G
Bitchy 1) Column name phone?
 
am converting password to md5 so what's wrong in this and also I've done the above job
 
Is that every column in your users table?
 
Nop I've some more
 
11:09 AM
oh okay.
I was already going to ask why making it an explicit query then?
asim which version of PHP are you running?
 
5.0
 
5.0?
You said 5.5 lolz.
please upgrade :-)
 
mean am runing 5
 
@asim Upgrade to 5.5 or higher :-)
or atleast 5.3.7
 
hello ,
where can i write code like this after jquery.Validate(); ??
i want to run below code if form is successfully validated & submitted
$('#myForm').css('display','none');
$('#loading').css('display','block');
i try this but not working

$('#myForm').validate(function(){
$('#myForm').css('display','none');
$('#loading').css('display','block');
});
 
11:12 AM
If anyone has the ability to vote for re-opens on Workplace.stackexchange.com, I would very much appreciate you re-opening a question of mine (simply because only pissed-off 'IT guys' closevoted it) :P Link
 
I've not any idea about upgrading
@MikeM. will be looking into future for that thanks
 
@asim it's for your own sake :-)
reason explained of fix 1 I told you: youtube.com/watch?v=nLinqtCfhKY
 
@MikeM. thanks for your suggestion
 
as for your password sake: youtube.com/watch?v=T4NTdRvIrdk
 
@asim please learn to use SQL prepared statements and stop using MD5 for pretending to secure passwords
 
11:17 AM
than teresko
 
@tereško Hé! THAT'S WHAT I SAID!
 
that query of yours is extremely bad piece of code
 
I third that opinion...
 
You only forgot to tell him to upgrade to 5.5 or so instead of clipping with 5.0
 
11:26 AM
Bobs-MacBook-Pro-2:php-src-X bob$ ./sapi/cli/php -r 'function gen() { yield 1; yield 2; yield 3; } function bar() { yield from gen(); } $gen = bar(); foreach($gen as $v) var_dump($v);'
NULL
int(1)
int(2)
int(3)
hmm… there's a NULL too much… but slowly… :-)
 
new error level - E_TOO_MUCH_NULL
 
@PeeHaa there ARE reasons why people keep telling you that Ubuntu is bad for you
 
@tereško Debian, but yeah close enough :)
 
=/
I personally have no love for Debian
but it's not like I harbor any deep burning hate for it
 
Me neither. But that is mostly because their stable repos should actually be called obsolete
 
11:33 AM
heh
 
@JoeWatkins hehe :-D // already eliminated
 
amazing if you test your error logging and it fails horribly :-P
 
And nested yield from works too \o/
 
11:50 AM
tried recursion with yield from… very nice… except that it gets slower with each stack level for populating prev_execute_data for stack traces, lol…
 
Has anyone had any problem with iterating over mysqli_result and getting NULLs as a values on every iteration?
 
shall we trust this: pastebin.com/7DyADCev ?!? :-P
http://pastebin.com/uVnSd9XD Can anyone help?
my method returns false, goes to the echo however the errors array fails. unsure why.
 
@MikeM. I don't see any instructions to output that array…
 
that's just way down
that's not the problem as it outputs another array item which I add the same way poperly...
 
If I add a user to a group with sudo access, do I need to restart the server for it to take effect?
 
11:55 AM
it's really just somewhere in that error add in the part I added.
 
Ohhh, Traversable support was added only in 5.4
 
@Jimbo You shouldn't.
 
@nikita2206 welcome to PHP, where even forward compatibility might be broken
 
@AlmaDo iknowrite #fractalofbaddesign
 
if you want to set an array, you'd need to use the correct name definitions not another one that doesn't exists XD
 
12:09 PM
E_BULLSHIT
 
What Alma
 
it's generic
 
@AlmaDo I am talking about in $_POST
I did a mistake there -.-
jeez...
 
I'm talking about PHP
And I don't think I made a mistake there
(:
 
@AlmaDo I did in my question .... :-P
 
12:11 PM
anyway. back to work
 
my boss just left XD
 
you'll find a new one, they always change
 
@nikita2206 No I meant like, left the building :-)
idk where he gone to, he's probably bored
 
going to catch a weaselpecker perhaps?
 
@Ja͢ck maybe, maybe not :-)
1 file to go before the first deadline is reached - got 1 week left for it. :-)
 
12:31 PM
@Ja͢ck Euphemism like typing detected.
 
Near the summit of Mt. Toubkal Pic. :-/
People were crossing that with skis on their feet
 
12:46 PM
been coding for 23 hours straight yawns
 
You don't simply code for 23 hours straight ...
 
@NikiC everything you raised was valid and I'm currently open to drop the voting or even don't merge it, even if it passes, in case we find some critical situation that is not fixable. So don't be sorry. Not for that ;) Also thank you for the in depth patch review.
 
@marcio I still think it's a great idea, though :)
 
@Ja͢ck :)
 
I was hoping it were a much nicer implementation than what Bob had done before.
 
1:00 PM
@marcio I haven't looked at, and I probably wouldn't understand, the patch - but would it be possible to instead of trying to allow everything and so having to write exceptions to the rule, instead turn it around and only write specifically what is allowed?
 
@Ja͢ck that's how I do all of my best work ...
 
@Ja͢ck It has less drawbacks, but I wouldn't say it's good. The patch can certainly stay on a sweet spot for a period because of the feature freeze, but it would have to be superseded by a better implementation on the long run (something that couldn't have been done on the available time now). But, of course, we only detected this now, not during discussion phase.
 
I should take a lunch break XD
it's 2:05 PM already ^_^
 
@JoeWatkins Is that how we ended up with the current UString complexity? ;-)
@MikeM. You mean like what your boss just did? heh
 
1:05 PM
no but it's how we end up with most stuff ... not sure if ustring should move forward ...
 
@Ja͢ck he still isn't back
 
I'm reluctant to block a better implementation and a better implementation probably isn't that hard ...
 
and I neither think he will :-P
 
@Ja͢ck That comes from the fact that text handling is inherently messed up.
 
ustring works, but has many shortcomings ... it might be better to go another way, not sure really ... not moving forward while not sure ...
 
1:07 PM
@Danack Hmm, no, that's not what I meant :)
@Danack I was referring to the number of abstraction levels in the implementation heh
 
@JoeWatkins There's no reason it couldn't be added in a minor point release is there? I doubt there's enough time to get it polished for 7.0 - and also we really ought to have a long term strategy for managing strings in PHP...
 
most decisions taken in the last month seem to be in rush...
 
They probably are in a rush :)
 
I guess minor version is okay ... there are obvious problems with a long term strategy if we have ustring as a starting place ...
 
Hey I haven't worked that much with Foreach but I dont seem to get this. When I run this:

foreach($array as $k => $v){
var_dump($v);
}
I have a multidimensional array like so:

array(2) {
[0]=>
object(stdClass)#284 (2) {
["id"]=>
int(415)
["field"]=>
int(5)
}
[1]=>
object(stdClass)#284 (2) {
["id"]=>
int(416)
["field"]=>
int(5)
}

}
array(3) {
[0]=>
object(stdClass)#284 (2) {
["id"]=>
int(416)
["field"]=>
int(5)
}
[1]=>
object(stdClass)#284 (2) {
["id"]=>
int(416)
 
1:10 PM
@Loko please use a pastebin for more than a few lines of code
 
Why is it not posted as code... wait
 
a better implementation isn't necessarily blocked by ustring, but what's the point on working on a better implementation if its there, and it's no doubt going to make it harder than if we don't have it ...
 
ok
 
if you only write specifically what is allowed you end up with the same "context free" lexer we had before, that detects everything as reserved words no matter the context. The only doable solution is doing lexing feedback, so the lexer stay as simple as before while the parser pass the necessary context information or state changes to the lexer.

I only avoided this because it would break ext tokenizer. With enough time, it seems fixable. That's what I'll do for PHP 7.1
 
@JoeWatkins And if we know now that we will need a better string thingy, adding a large piece of code to core is not awesome...
 
1:13 PM
adding a large piece of code .. like pecl/http? :D
 
hi guys
 
Hey I haven't worked that much with Foreach but I dont seem to get this. When I run this:

foreach($array as $k => $v){
var_dump($v);
}
I have a multidimensional array like so:
http://pastebin.com/9F62i2j8

I want to get the values of all the ['field'] but I cant seem to get that. I read a few questions on SO(stackoverflow.com/questions/…) and it's just not working for me. What should I do to get all the ['field'] values?
 
@Danack when @NikiC says the current solution is ad-hoc, he is telling the truth, there is no way to question this. The only part I partially disagree is:
"Even if we can make sure that we've covered all the current edge-cases and don't regress anything, I'm afraid that this will cause complications with future changes."

But that's because I'm already thinking about superseding the implementation later.
 
currently I am working on core php and my manager asked me to read drupal because market of drupal is growing . I am unaware of wordpress,jhoomla and studing directly drupal.I dont whether its good to use drupal OR not.Please suggest
 
@Loko I'm sure there is an obscure php function somewhere for it, but why not just loop through it?
 
1:17 PM
@marcio I think I agree with him. In the sense that if the current trait syntax has made the forward looking lexer be difficult to implement/buggy, then any similar syntax we want to add will be more difficult to implement than it would be otherwise, due to the presence of the forward looking lexer.
 
@Loko It's not ['field'], it's ->field because the inner elements are objects.
 
@Patrick So I should have another for loop in the foreach ? I thought about that but is that the right way?
@Ja͢ck I tried ->field before but I cant get that to work. I need to use $v[0]->field and $v[1]->field to get it working. The amount of arrays in the multidimensional array is always different so I would need another for loop. Isn't there an easier way?
 
any idea guys?
 
Sure, you could use array_walk_recursive().
 
@John You shouldn't ask random people on the internet for advice about which projects to use. You will only get people's personal preference, not actually useful advice.
 
1:22 PM
@Danack this will vary a lot. On one hand we can have things like the in operator and anonymous classes merged without clash with the lexer. On the other hand, there is the "known unknown" factor and we never know the absolute cost of it :)
 
@Danack Here I am asking just a suggestion and not the preference ..
 
user895378
@bwoebi I disagree. And regardless, consumers will use your public constants as part of the API regardless of whether or not you want them to do so.
 
user895378
morning
 
@john
 
@marcio The in operator is another example of not planning ahead...it solves a trivial use-case, by adding complexity to the language which will never be possible to remove, or use the in keyword for more useful stuff.
 
1:24 PM
@rdlowrey Yeah, I'd like to disallow them. But because I can't disallow them to just copy the value, there's no point in.
 
@john what options do you have besides Drupal?
 
(anonymous classes would be nice though...)
 
@ssangki well thats what I have to decide whether I need to use drupal OR framework(any) for faster performance and scalability
 
@John all those options are horrible if you are a programmer
 
@John drupal will get you a job, that's for sure
 
1:27 PM
yaml too
 
 
user895378
@Danack Also: random guy on the internet usually don't know what he's talking about.
 
@FlorianMargaine being able to program will also get him a job
 
@john what @patrick says, if you're a programmer it's terrible to use something like drupal
 
@Patrick hey! I'm working on drupal and program :)
 
1:27 PM
@Danack that's why I say we are playing with fire with this design by RFC process. It's difficult to have good quality long term plans. We are designing the language like somebody playing tetris, it's fun but.. :/ look at our type system, etc.
 
@rdlowrey Or just lies for the lulz.
I hear CodeIgniter is awesome, you should totally use it.
 
user895378
Totally.
 
Laravel for the win though
 
It's totally bodacious.
 
user895378
@ssangki If you're a programmer it's terrible to use something like Laravel too.
 
1:29 PM
Or just follow the prophecy and write your own framework.
 
@FlorianMargaine but do you prefer it to a !drupal job? ;-)
 
@ssangki and that exactly I want to tell to my manager why we cant use drupal in our project. Can you give any suggestion
 
@rdlowrey if you're a php programmer it's terrible to use JUST php
 
Ehh
 
@rdlowrey why people hate Laravel so much?
 
user895378
1:29 PM
@ssangki I have no idea what you're saying.
 
Hi all
 
user895378
@marcio Because it's one giant bad practice.
 
@marcio static all the things, active record, service locator etc etc
 
^^ Above, re-read
 
(or do people hate all frameworks equally?)
 
1:30 PM
@Patrick meh. The most important is not the language, or I wouldn't do php at all.
 
Shit I didn't even realise it used AR
(Does it use Propel?)
 
Nope
 
@marcio no, some get more hate than others
 
it uses its own assembled weird stuff
 
@FlorianMargaine agreed. other things are more important. But if I had to write wp plugins all day for example I wouldn't last long :)
 
1:31 PM
@marcio I can give you a hate-parade if you need
@Ja͢ck thanks :)
 
@rdlowrey ok, so it's like any a framework that became "famous" xD
 
@Patrick ah. Drupal modules are not that bad.
 
@marcio I don't hate the frameworks - I hate when the people making the frameworks lie about what is good or bad practice. See the Symfony people and their "dependency injection container" - hint, it's not a DIC.
 
@marcio I think we take issue with people who propagate bad practice as the right way
 
@Danack the DiC doc does use it as a DiC
 
1:32 PM
Laravel does that - and is proud of it
 
user895378
@marcio Except its author gets in your face with his stupidity and ignorance, which makes it even worse.
 
the controller doc uses the "DiC" as a service locator though..
 
Guy behind PHPPixie wrote a blog post that was absolute bollocks, and the reason he said it was okay was because "lots of people understand the terminology" even if it was wrong
 
I would like to introduce the Abstract Framework Framework.
 
Ah, ok. It's just that we hate all the frameworks all the time here. Sometimes it's good to remember the reasons :D
 
1:33 PM
Imho, any Dependency Injection container, (contains things), is 99% used as a service locator, because you use the container to get things from it, otherwise it's not a container..
 
@Ja͢ck Need a factory for that bro
 
So many F's
 
@Danack tl;dr?
 
Fabpot appears to be either very dumb about DICs or has a hidden agenda to not use it properly.
 
1:34 PM
Quick question, my boss has come to me and said he wants to be able to see what staff are under each manager at work. In our database i have a users table. In that table under each user row is "position" "my_manager" and "my_senior_manager". Its easy enough to display them all over the place however im racking my brain on how to display users under the managers.

"role" can be general, manager and senior manager
then my manager is the userid of their manager
and my senior manager is the userid of their senior manager.
 
@FlorianMargaine "Stof" - has the same issue github.com/symfony/symfony/issues/11974
And the hidden agenda is in that one - "I'm saying that a new API providing benefits only outside Symfony is a bad idea."
 
The only good thing about Laravel is that it has an injector now!
Overtaken Symfony in that department
 
They are, to some extent, making Symfony components not be reusable by other projects on purpose, to allow Symfony to have an edge.
 
@Danack It could just be the French-English language barrier ;-)
 
Maybe - I'm very cynical though, particularly after seeing how they try to lock everyone into symfony components, for example Silex...
 
1:37 PM
> > Yeah, forget making libraries re-usable for other people, Symfony libraries should only be developed for use in the Symfony ecosystem!1!
> I'm not saying we don't make them reusable. I'm saying that a new API providing benefits only outside Symfony is a bad idea.
??????
 
@Danack It's only the base components though... like HttpFoundation, Kernel
That's pretty much it... the rest is your playground
 
I like Silex ... :)
 
Silex + Auryn = awesome
I really need to make that into it's own mini-framework, an upgrade of silex-auth-skeleton. Called Aurex
 
Aurex <3
where's the framework at anyway?
 
Man, the scalar type hints is like the most beefed RFC I've read since ... forever it seems.
 
1:39 PM
@rdlowrey ?
 
user895378
What's up?
 
morning
 
@rdlowrey weren't you writing a framework based on auryn?
 
more like an http dispatcher
 
You mean Arya?
 
user895378
1:42 PM
@FlorianMargaine I did write a basic skeleton in about two days. I have no interest in maintaining it because I don't actually use the web SAPI for anything and I think framework development is the apex of boring :)
 
user895378
It's there if people want to play with it, though. I don't care.
 
@bwoebi yeah!
@rdlowrey heh, fair enough
 
php-src on travis... I'd rather flip a coin to determine if the build passed or not.
 
(I have about the same opinion anyway...)
 
user895378
@marcio lol this is true
 
1:43 PM
@rdlowrey well… Arya already has all you need… there is no reason for changing things.
 
@bwoebi yeah, I'd say null
 
@rdlowrey aka, the session storage test
 
just earned 1 freaking $ HOORAY! I AM RICH!
:-P
 
@marcio ooh, memory leaks, yum!
@MikeM. after inflation correction, you've earned nothing ;-)
 
@NikiC It's coming nicely… just having some NULLs yielded too much now… I bet I'll finish it today \cc @rdlowrey
 
1:46 PM
@Ja͢ck that's not true!
 
user895378
@bwoebi \o/
 
:)
 
proof!
 
@bwoebi cool
 
user895378
I will should be able to push all the openssl stuff I've been working on today so I can give generator things attention after that.
 
1:46 PM
@marcio What kind of implementation are you thinking of for the future?
 
@rdlowrey first give deflate some attention ^^
 
user895378
@bwoebi okay.
 
@rdlowrey cool ... just discovered that CE crypto is somehow related to Fermat, how cool is that :)
 
user895378
All math is somehow related to other math :)
 
user895378
@bwoebi I had one thought -- if it's not too much work it would be helpful to have an equivalent API for inflate_* ... this would expose the same functionality for artax where I currently use the (inefficient) approach of running deflated data through a php://memory stream with the zlib.inflate filter attached. But this is not something we need for server functionality so it's low-priority.
 
1:49 PM
@Ja͢ck can I call myself rich if I have 20$+ on paypal ? ^_^
 
@marcio Honestly, if ext/tokenizer were the only issue with parser feedback we could probably just perfom a parse when getting the tokens ... creating the ast is iirc much faster than creating the array with all the tokens ^^ I'm more concerned about the issues this causes for external tooling. It will make PHP more like C++, a lanuage where you can't really perform any kind of analysis without implementing a whole compiler...
 
user895378
inflate_*() would just round out the full complement of functionality.
 
@NikiC I want to pass information from parser to lexer and find a way to update the ext tokenizer. Or use a secondary lexer that is able to peek and disambiguate without lookaheads (lookaheads are too problematic).
 
@rdlowrey yeah, shouldn't be a lot of work
 
@NikiC I was thinking about generating a mock parser and feed it to the lexer :P but I'm not sure if it's worth it.
For instance, if we add mid rules to change the lexer state, we can later generate the mock parser just with the mid rule instructions to change state and ext/tokenizer could use it... but pfff, not sure if it's doable.
 
1:55 PM
@rdlowrey This one is pretty closely related to Fermat's last (proven) theorem actually; it was eventually proven with a conjecture that later became the modularity theorem :)
The math itself goes beyond me, though heh
 
@NikiC what are the issues with the external tools? if we manage to release the updated ext tokenizer without BC breaks will it still make any diff for the tools?
 
user895378
Math has a way of making even very smart people feel like total civilians.
 
:)
 

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