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user4180960
1:02 PM
@sam_io I do not ask a question before I search for the answers by myself. For example, I tried to access a file from bootable cd avoiding filesystem, I was searching for the answers for more than 5 years, but I couldn't get answers, so I come here...
 
Anonymous
Searching for an answer for 5 years?
 
dedication...
 
traveling through 37 countries by foot, meditating under cold waterfalls, yet the answer did not come to him
 
5 years pmsl
 
user4180960
1:06 PM
@sam_io Yes, it is realy true. I am begginer, I want to learn a lots of programming, but I do not have requirements to learn that, I am watching tutorials, reading books and similar, but I do not have a chence to practice my knowledge
 
y u no 1box?
 
@rlemon https
 
@rlemon noob!
 
@DaveRandom :flips table:
 
Go bitch about it on meta, so that it can continue to be ignored
 
1:08 PM
@PeeHaa u jelly of mah belly.
 
Anonymous
@Mathematician171 sorry, I don't believe that.
 
Anonymous
I wouldn't look for a family member if they were to disappear for half that time
 
wanna get a chance to practice PHP, contribute to a community, AND work in a team?! I've got just the opportunity for you! .. for just 18 easy payments of $42.95 ...
 
user4180960
@sam_io ok, I can understand someone cannot believe me, but I am still eager of knowledge. I want to learn php and c#, but I must learn it by myself, I do not have a chance to study in school, so can you give me a good tutorials to learn everything about c# and php?
 
@rlemon Includes the FREE Object Oriented PHP Masterclass - become an EXPERT in object oriented php in just 3 days!
 
1:12 PM
@Jimbo that costs extra
I'm not running a charity here bub!!
 
I dunno why we're talking about composition vs inheritance in particular, but how about ocramius.github.io/blog/when-to-declare-classes-final?
 
Anonymous
@Mathematician171 I don't know about C#
 
Anonymous
@Mathematician171 I don't know about C#
 
Anonymous
Are you a complete beginner in php?
 
user4180960
@sam_io Ok, but what about php? How i can become an expert in php and how many time I need to study it?
 
1:14 PM
10000 hours.
 
user4180960
@sam_io Hm... I think I am beginer, I can make a simple user register, login and char php, that is all I know
 
user4180960
chat*
 
he knows c#:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/29316074/calculate-1-1-x-2-x2-n-xn/29316216#29316216
 
@kojiro beware, @Ocramius is an extremist, but sadly he's right most of the time
 
he's just spamming
 
1:15 PM
@StefanoTorresi I am not surprised he's here. I thought it was a good post.
I confess I'm a little "scared" of using final myself. Like a fear of commitment ;)
 
user4180960
@Bonner Are you kidding me? I know a basics of c# nothing more
 
it is a good post indeed
 
Anonymous
The more you learn the more you know. There is no time limit. I think you should checkout phptherightway.org
 
+1
 
Anonymous
@Mathematician171
 
1:16 PM
nope not kidding you said you don't know c#, but you now say you know the basics
next you will be saying it has taken you 10 years to switch on a PC
 
user4180960
@Bonner Of course, I know basics of c#, but I am learning c# for a year and I just learned only the basics because I am learning it by myself, I need a lot of time to understand whole tutorial and to practice it myself
 
5 years...
 
The basics of programming and the basics of a programming language should be complementary. E.g. if you know programming then you need to learn the idiosyncrasies of a language to get good in that particular language. If you learn the language as a way to learn programming, you have to be careful not to internalize the idiosyncrasies of that language as the art of programming itself.
 
Anonymous
@Mathematician171 also, don't try to make I-learned-by-myself talk seem like a thing here. 99% of us here did the same thing . Don't take credit where it's not due
 
@StefanoTorresi uhhhhmmm we have bookmarked something for that
 
1:24 PM
hm?
 
Damnit chat search sucks again
Something something we don't care if the stupid thing @Ocramius does breaks because of php-src
 
ahahahahah
 
@LeviMorrison Damn, that constructor deprecation is quite a piece of work
 
Oct 9 '14 at 17:24, by NikiC
Official statement: PHP does not make any backwards compatibility guarantees for code written by @Ocramius.
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hah.
 
1:25 PM
totally nailed.
 
@PeeHaa I can confirm that this is still true
 
:-)
 
lol
 
ffs i use a lot of code written by him, i'm so screwed.
 
vim tip of the day :r !head -1 %:r.out
 
1:28 PM
@StefanoTorresi Yeah you're fucked :P
 
@NikiC er… I'm with you up to the second colon…
 
@kojiro A bit specific to what I'm doing right now ... it replaces the extension of the file with out
%:r is the basename
 
Thanks
 
It's really great for editing php tests where there are five or so files with different extensions that belong together
 
Anonymous
@NikiC I'm with you upto the first colon
 
1:43 PM
noooooo SO if offline
 
@NikiC ?
 
> We are disabling the eggs for a moment while we optimize them a bit. They'll return soon!
 
aka disegging
 
I know what eggs are in Python…
I thought SE was .Net…
 
@kojiro It is
or it was in 2008. Which, in Internet time, was the 18th century
 
1:57 PM
@PeeHaa what did break?
Oh, the final stuff. Yeah, stop coding stupid inheritances, because the world is not made of Thing > Animal > Cat > Striped Cat
 
Now that you've promised what your class will do (via interface), promise what it won't do (via final).
 
Also: BURN ZEM DEFIERS!
(because extremism)
@kojiro no, it's not about that, it's about putting a safety switch for coding inheritances
 
posted on March 31, 2015 by kbironneau

/* by daMax */

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@Ocramius quite. It was dumb of me to make any attempt at boiling down your post into a single chatroom quote.
 
@Feeds pretty much
 
user895378
2:08 PM
@Feeds lol
 
@PeeHaa can u give us a short description what are the advantages of composition ..
 
@John read the link -.-
 
Good morning
 
@Patrick thanks for the quickest and shortest description ;)
@ircmaxell very good morning
 
WHUT … do EngineExceptions really not display a backtrace? :-(
 
2:24 PM
moning
@bwoebi no? :(
 
@marcio git.php.net/… just seen a test… doesn't seem so :-(
 
makes sense to not have trace in some cases right?
E.g if error happens inside an error handler
 
408
A: What's the difference between JavaScript and Java?

Shog9One is essentially a toy, designed for writing small pieces of code, and traditionally used and abused by inexperienced programmers. The other is a scripting language for web browsers.

 
@bwoebi At the risk of asking a stupid question, what in that test case makes you think they don't have a backtrace?
 
@NikiC Yeah. I am sorry I have been so busy that I haven't been able to really work on it.
 
2:32 PM
@LeviMorrison The fun part is that the patch didn't actually deprecate anything
Or rather, it deprecated only the rather specific case of php 4 ctors imported by traits
 
@tereško needs more upvotes lol
 
@NikiC Could have been a merge error when I merged in a bunch of Andrea's work.
It certainly deprecated any declaration of PHP 4 constructors before hand.
 
@Danack there's no #{main} frame
 
So now waiting for travis to see what the fallout is, there's probably more of them in extensions I don't have enabled
 
Did you just reimplement it or are you working off my patch?
 
2:34 PM
@Danack like:
Stack trace:
#0 {main}
 
No mainframe? Something something mini-computer joke.
 
Just finished writing a series of hacks to cram an image into a HTML container via CSS only, maybe some of you guys would be interested to know/review
 
@Danack
 
@Danack Go team Auryn! \o/
 
@bwoebi Again, this could be because I haven't had my coffee - but the exceptions are being caught and there is no call to get the stack trace. Why would you expect there to be on in the test case expected output?
Oh - just seen the last line.
That's.......a different thing - and needs to be discussed on list probably. Apparently uncaught EngineExceptions get turned into errors.
Which doesn't make that much sense to me.
It seems like a weird hack.
 
2:38 PM
no, I was talking about the uncaught ones.
 
"Apparently uncaught EngineExceptions get turned into errors."
aka
>Fatal error: Access to undeclared static property: C::$a in %sexception_013.php on line 24
 
yep
I can understand that displaying stack traces on notices etc. would be expensive etc. but I don't see any reason why not to display them in E_ERROR?
 
Is there a way without userland code to make every single error an exception?
 
user895378
@Danack do you want to throw any names into the ring to replace auryn?
 
After all it's an EngineException
 
user895378
2:41 PM
@Patrick suggested just "injector" which is fine, but I think something like php-injector might be more google-able.
 
@rdlowrey Just the same as before either just 'Needle' or "NeedleDI'.
 
You want to rename Auryn??????
 
@bwoebi @Danack Error messages for engine exceptions are going to be improved (need to improve ordinary exception messages first). No immediate plans for stack traces yet
 
@rdlowrey 'php-injector' wouldn't be google-able at all.....it would hit every other library that does injection in PHP.
 
for now keeping normal error messages is very convenient for porting, because we can switch something to an exception without modifying tets
 
2:44 PM
Fair enough. I hope that doesn't slip through unmodified though.
 
user895378
@Danack my only real requirement is lowercasing. I'm fine with needle-di though. /cc @Patrick
 
As long as it's easy to remember it shouldn't matter too much
 
@rdlowrey Do you really want to rename Auryn?
 
auryn is nice because I can easily recall it even without knowing what "auryn" means.
 
user895378
@bwoebi I really don't care and enough people have complained about the name that I'm mostly just ... "whatever."
 
2:47 PM
^^ tell that people where I work... "You know, that package that does the dependency injection, what was it's name again...."
 
There is an almost 0% chance of someone hearing the name and guessing the spelling of it.
At least for native English speakers.
 
@rdlowrey I can guarantee you that I'll complain about a generic name like needle(-di)
 
actually I wouldn't even try to pronounce auryn
just like I feel silly trying to say bower :P
 
user895378
Auryn, stylized as AURYN, is a 5-member British-style Spanish boy band founded in 2010. Signed to Warner Music, they sing in English and Spanish. == Members == The band is made up of five members that appeared previously on various talent show series in Spain. Various members of the band have taken part at different occasions in contests like Factor X, Veo Veo, La Batalla de los Coros and at Junior Eurovision Song Contest qualifications. Dani Fernández represented Spain in the Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2006, and remains the last Spanish entrant on the competition. Blas Cantó and Dani Fernández...
 
user895378
2:49 PM
lol
 
@MarcelBurkhard pronouncing it in German works well.
 
user895378
I swear that wasn't a thing when I created the library.
 
I actually can't say it properly - apparently I have difficulty pronouncing things with a rolling R in the middle.
 
@bwoebi google corrects "php aurin" to "php auryn" so I guess that works fine
 
user895378
This is what I had in mind at the time:
 
user895378
2:50 PM
The Neverending Story (German: Die unendliche Geschichte) is a German fantasy novel by Michael Ende that was first published in 1979. The standard English translation, by Ralph Manheim, was first published in 1983. The novel was later adapted into several films. == Plot summary == The book centers on a boy, Bastian Balthazar Bux, neglected by his father after the death of Bastian's mother. In escape from some bullies, Bastian bursts into the antique book store of Carl Conrad Coreander, where he finds his interest held by a book called The Neverending Story. Unable to resist, he steals the book...
 
@rdlowrey you could call it "PHP ServiceLocator" duck and run
 
@rdlowrey I'll -1 injector and +1 needle(-di)
 
user895378
/me shakes tiny fist at @MarcelBurkhard
 
@rdlowrey People have complained??
 
Wow, that movie is not from my time. 90% of people using PHP will never get the reference.
 
2:52 PM
how about "Dinject" or D-Inject
 
user895378
@DaveRandom mostly just @Danack and @Patrick :)
 
I suggest you invite them to join a game of hide and go fuck yourself
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@DaveRandom I really good at that game.
 
@DaveRandom love you too
 
@DaveRandom :-)
 
2:53 PM
:-D
 
@DaveRandom Relevant NSFW (audio)
 
@DaveRandom I'm on vacation since tomorrow, so f*ck you guys (:
:p
 
@rdlowrey dependere?
which is latin for to depend on
 
Really? dependere is the latin for depend?
 
Anonymous
Freeloader sounds just about just :)
 
3:01 PM
SoDependencySuchInjectionWow
 
Anonymous
new Aruryn\Freeloader('SomeClass');
 
@Salathe I just generated some PHP manual entries using the docgen.php script. It seems it generates an attribute of xmlns:xlink="http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink" which isn't present in already present manual elements. Is that likely to cause issues, or should I just ignore it?
 
3v4l.org is down ?
shait
 
@tereško 3v4l.org
 
@tereško What class you gone for on skyrim?
 
3:09 PM
Hi Guyz... Any body worked on Zebra Barcode Printing... i have a one problem. I am facing the issue from 3 weeks onwards.could any one help me please
i didnt find any solution from other sources also
 
@user3454479 You should write your question before trying to get someone to agree to help you. If you write it in notepad, and then copy + paste it in here, even if no-one can help you now, you will have the question written down and you will be able to re-use it elsewhere aka sol.gfxile.net/dontask.html
 
Hi @Danack.. thanks for your response. This is the problem which i am facing
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Q: Zpl barcode label printing from Internet Explorer

user3454479I am using Zebra GK420d printer for bar code printing. While printing the Barcode i am replacing special characters like (-,(,),:) with hexadecimal code to print the those characters.It is working fine In Firefox. But while testing from IE(Using Latest Version) characters or text are not printed....

 
user895378
barcode label printing from internet explorer sounds like something I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.
 
@rdlowrey... Do you faced any problem like that?
 
Moornings
 
user895378
3:22 PM
@user3454479 No, thankfully.
 
user895378
@RonniSkansing morning
 
Its payday =] \o/'
 
user895378
@user3454479 I would seriously consider creating a PDF of the correct size with the exact formatting you want and printing that. Then your functionality should be wholly independent of the browser in use.
 
@rd
@rdlowrey i am not creating pdf
 
user895378
Right. My suggestion was that you should consider creating a PDF.
 
3:25 PM
directly printing the barcode in barcode label. But PDF is not flexible to my project requirement. The label will be attached to the goods
 
user895378
Of course it's flexible. You generate the PDF dynamically in the same way you generate anything else for printing.
 
user895378
You don't create the PDF ahead of time ;)
 
@rdlowrey is it possible to ZPL code print from PDF?
 
user895378
It's possible to do anything ... we're talking about software.
 
3:28 PM
to be fair - I doubt that zebra.com/gb/en/support-downloads/desktop/gk420d.html supports PDF...
 
user895378
All printing is marks on a page. You can generate marks in a pdf format.
 
which DateTime format should I use for inserting in mysql ?
 
user895378
Either there exists a library to do it or it's just some math.
 
@user3454479 I'm guessing this is for a company? Why not just only support firefox?
 
DateTime::W3C ?
 
user895378
3:29 PM
/me sighs at people who want to build http/2.0 features into the php web sapi ...
 
@Danack Client mostly uses IE. So that why i need to solve that problem.:(
 
user895378
We need to focus on improving php the language ... not invalidating the entire existing web sapi to improve php the web framework
 
user895378
The performance improvements of HTTP/2.0 are fundamentally incompatible with everything the web SAPI has been about for its entire existence: dumb blocking synchronous code that's extremely easy to write.
 
@tereško 'Y-m-d H:i:s' ?
 
i was hoping to use some predefined constant
 
user895378
3:32 PM
By improving the language itself it allows people to do these things in userland with good performance because PHP is a useful general purpose scripting language.
 
@Danack you can ignore if if you're not using the xlink:* namespace (it's used with <link> elements, for off-site hyperlinks)
 
@salathe thanks.
btw the php doc builder, has the capability of crashing VirtualBox VMs...
 
hmmm
the new CTO has decided that company will begin to use Wordpress, Magento and Symfony (I will assume that 2.x) for projects
 
3:40 PM
@Danack eep
 
@tereško lol
 
user895378
@tereško sounds like standard CTO material ;)
 
@tereško to be fair - judging by the skill level of your colleagues, that might not be the wrong choice, compared to expecting them to write applications from scratch.
 
user895378
Is there a way to tell composer, "I want all my class files unconditionally loaded at the start of the application?" (no autoloading)
 
3:43 PM
@Danack well ... we (although I have never had to) are using CodeIgniter based framework ATM
 
user895378
@ircmaxell Your response there is brilliant.
 
@rdlowrey and was downvoted
 
I am not entirely sure how he expects most of team to learn Symfony
because you CANNOT just magically start using it \
 
@ircmaxell Confused - do you agree or disagree with OP?
 
iptables -A OUTPUT -p tcp -d reddit.com --dport 80 -j DROP
 
user895378
3:44 PM
@ircmaxell I'm sure it was the person to whom you responded doing the downvoting ;)
 
@Jimbo the whole premise is stupid
 
@Jimbo I think it's fine to ask women to submit.
 
.. oh, the puns
 
@ircmaxell PHRASING.
"Women should submit to the head of the household."
 
lol
 
3:46 PM
> "Looking for aborigine speakers at PHP New Zealand"
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^ that would sound really patronizing .. so why someone thought that replacing "aborigine" with "women" would somehow dispel that effect
@rdlowrey yeah, I suspect that he judged all the possible options before coming up with this\
 
@tereško Good luck with that :-P
 
I have a really bad feeling about this
 
@salathe Another question, for some functions in Imagick the return type is int if the extension was compiled with one flag, or float if it was compiled with a different flag. Should I use mixed as the return type or is it okay to use int|float ?
 
@Danack mixed and then describe the different return types in the return values section
 
ta
 
Anonymous
3:56 PM
Does the code mentoring thing ever work? I need help with C
 
I generally just need help, where is the clinic?
 
user895378
@bwoebi Would it be correct to characterize your php-src switch(){} improvements in the following way? "Inlining case statements when possible at compile time instead of them being glorified if/else if statements?"
 
Anonymous
 
@LeviMorrison okay, constructor deprecation landed, fingers crossed that it doesn't break anything more
 
4:02 PM
@rdlowrey That's only half of the optimization.
 
user895378
And the other half?
 
is a HashTable implementation of switch cases in case it needs runtime evaluation.
 
http://thecodinglove.com/post/115127522215
The coding love
"Can you take a look please? I am trying to fix this issue for hours"
kbironneau
1427817711
 
user895378
oh nice
 
In computer programming, a branch table or jump table is a method of transferring program control (branching) to another part of a program (or a different program that may have been dynamically loaded) using a table of branch or jump instructions. It is a form of multiway branch. The branch table construction is commonly used when programming in assembly language but may also be generated by a compiler, especially when implementing an optimized switch statement where known, small ranges are involved with few gaps. == Typical implementation == A branch table consists of a serial list of un...
 
4:04 PM
Hey sir @PeeHaa want another month?
 
Good day!
Guys, did anyone setup multiple php versions on ubuntu server without hustle?
I'm interested in 5.3, 5.4, 5.5, ...
I've tried myself, but I hope it was the wrong way.
 
@NikiC Thanks for taking care of this. Sorry I've been so busy.
@Eugene You need to use FastCGI to do this effectively.
@sam_io It only has one mini-DisplayPort. The MacBook Pro line has 2. Hands down MacBook Pro for me.
I guess it is more directly competing with MacBook Air though.
…except I guess the new MacBook line ditches the 2 Thunderbolt ports for one USB-C port.
 
user895378
4:38 PM
55 mins ago, by rdlowrey
Is there a way to tell composer, "I want all my class files unconditionally loaded at the start of the application?" (no autoloading)
 
I doubt it. Composer isn't really aware of classes, only of namespaces, so it's got no way to tell what 'all' your classes are.
 
> Note: Composer provides its own autoloader. If you don't want to use that one, you can just include vendor/composer/autoload_*.php files, which return associative arrays allowing you to configure your own autoloader.
 
@Danack actually it is, because -o flag generates a classmap, so it has to know about classes :p
 
user895378
@Gordon Didn't you use some sort of class loader thing like that in the past or is that my imagination?
 
@rdlowrey I used to use github.com/theseer/Autoload for some time. But that's just the same as using Composer with a Class Map I guess
 
user895378
4:45 PM
So I should probably just recursively iterate my lib dirs and require all the files if I want this ...
 
user895378
(compile time optimizations, ya know)
 
either that or iterate over that vendor/composer/autoload_*.php files thing
 
@rdlowrey hmm, you may want to do something like github.com/EvanDotPro/EdpSuperluminal/blob/master/… but for all namespaces. otherwise you aren't going to improve much from a simple classmap. still a stat call for each class.
 
user895378
To be clear: I want to avoid autoloading altogether and require every possible class up front so I can benefit from compile-time optimizations in a long-running CLI program. I don't care about the file stats like I might in a web SAPI application.
 
Autoloading is something that I think we've relied on far too much as a community.
 
user895378
4:50 PM
IMO that just stems from the crazy web SAPI paradigm where the whole application has to be reloaded for every request.
 
user895378
Autoloading makes sense there because you don't want to load lots of stuff you don't need.
 
@rdlowrey Doing the compose dump 'optimised' autoloader, and then just manually requiring all the entries in it would achieve that goal then.
 
@rdlowrey We can still load things as we go. No need to use the autoloader even there.
I'm not saying autoloaders are bad, just that I think they are overused.
 
user895378
They're great for development ... it's one less thing to think about :)
 
user895378
4:52 PM
(suffixed as always with the caveat: in lieu of a real package system)
 
lolz. Don't scroll through the backlog, just to find things to flag plx.
 
@Andrea Since you brought up Abstract Data Types I keep wanting them. That's a bad thing because I don't have the time to implement it >.<
 
you mean Algebraic, right?
 
oops yes :)
 
PHP already has abstract data types of a kind: classes :p
 
4:57 PM
I do a lot with abstract types right now because of the class I am taking.
Muscle memory is strong :)
 
Aha
 
@Andrea btw. why is your twitter acc private?
 
My own reasons.
 
hey @Andrea
@Andrea I wanted to ask, what would be your recommended reading?
 
@NikiC on what subject?
 
5:09 PM
Oh, just generally, if you had any recommendations for things you particularly liked
 
I haven't read many programming books and the like. I quite enjoyed Crockford's JavaScript: The Good Parts, though. It's a very small book, clear and concise. It has an interesting section on various approaches to OOP in JavaScript.
Also, well, anything by Crockford :p
I should read some more things
 
Oh sorry, don't mean programming books
 
Oh, hah
Just reading, in general? I barely read ._.
 
Anonymous
@Gordon hi, can you unfreeze it
 
Anonymous
5:12 PM
The ajax room
 
Sorry I couldn't be of more help, there!
 
Anonymous

AJAX

If you hate jQuery & like AJAX, You are welcome :)
 
@Andrea Huh, that's coming a bit unexpected
I thought you doing linguistics would mean reading a bunch of stuffs
 
Textbooks and such, yes. But I don't really read much in my spare time
I blame computers.
 
5:16 PM
Heh
 
user895378
^ I've found all of Bill Bryson's work particularly enjoyable.
 
user895378
It's not super scientific, just very entertaining.
 
hey all
 
@NikiC I seem to be endlessly surprising :p
 
5:21 PM
that's what i'm reading now. a classic :)
 
@rdlowrey Thanks for the reminder, I was planning to read A Short History but forgot about it
 
user895378
@StefanoTorresi Ah I re-read that a couple of months ago. First read it about twelve years ago in college :)
 
user895378
@taco hola
 
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Q: How to change the <img> tag for displaying smiley/emoticons so that the same smiley/emoticon could be displayed on smart devices?

user2839497I'm basically a PHP developer by profession. I've no idea about iOS and Android coding at all. I've developed an API in PHP which returns some data. This data is used by website, iOS app and Android app. For example, if we take sample output of one such data element it would look as follows : ...

 
user895378
Thought: we could have a Room11 book club where folks read the same book each month :)
 
löl
 
@rdlowrey I can see that github issue having more people complaining about it in the future, are you ready to make a stand
 
user895378
5:44 PM
@Jimbo lol I think that in my old age I just don't have enough fucks left to give. I think the whole idea of the container interop is a bad one ... injection should happen at the bootstrap phase ... if someone is using it in a way that requires interop they're almost certainly doing it wrong.
 
Exactly.
 
which github issue?
 
aaand I am at home
I really need that desk
there is not room for both hands & keyboard on this thing
 
well having a common interface for an injector/container would allow to use named constructors as factories, and that would make dependency injection completely independent from any specific implementation.
 
5:51 PM
Injector != container
 
yeah, i know that, buy you can use my sentence with either word.
the actual major point against a container interop interface is that it can't be abstract enough
 
I mean that the interface defined in the interop is for containers, and it doesn't fit the injector at all, it's a different thing
It wouldn't be contextually correct to have any get or set in the injector as far as I see it
 
fwiw i don't think an interface exposing Auryn::make() would be any different from an interface exposing DI:get(). the point is rather that a factory using an injector would configure it, while a factory using a container would query it.
 
Doesn't DI::make() create an object, where as DI::get() retrieves something that's already been instantiated or wrapped in a closure, ready for instantiation?
 
not necessarily
 
5:58 PM
Hey can you please tell me what is data-pipeline and what is used for?
 
that's implementation specific, and that is why container-interop is not a thing
 
When I'm reading code, that's what it would say to me
 
i.e. zf2 service locator 'get' instantiate an instance and will return the same instance on subsequent calls, by default
same as sf2 i guess
 
Container interop was created by people who have already implemented their own versions of their containers and put them into wide circulation in major frameworks. So the interface was created once a few implementations have already been done... Isn't that the wrong way around? :P
 

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