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11:02 PM
@Rangad Can't confirm that.
 
Hey guys, major issue I'm having: wiki.php.net/rfc/return_types
That is going to a scalar types RFC from Zeev.
Is it just me?
 
@LeviMorrison wtf
 
I'm attempting to load version history info on it now but it's being very slow
 
wrong for me as well
maybe ask google cache or archive.org?
i tried the history thing as well today, it timeouts for me at 30 seconds execution
 
11:07 PM
Was changed on February 27th.
By Francois.
I was about to link to it in a ticket with PhpStorm and I noticed it o.O
 
by accident maybe?
 
I sure hope so :)
 
he changed the return_types page to the coercive sth page?
 
I'll send him an email.
 
@kelunik Had to put them side by side to convince myself that they are the same... strange. Still not yet convinced about tabs.
 
11:09 PM
I am not sure if there are changes he wants from it before I revert it.
 
@LeviMorrison just revert, he always can open an old version…
That's what history is for.
 
@Rangad What changed there? The border?
 
Same comment was about the colors (icons and interface in general). Tabs:
part of the name is cut off if to many tabs are open. Previously old tabs would just be moved out of the primary tabbar
 
Oh, you're right, they're pretty ugly now. Maybe I didn't have a file open before.
 
@LeviMorrison Original will be in the history right? let him deal with the slow loading :p
 
11:17 PM
@Leigh I reverted it a few minutes ago.
 
I'm catching up, and replying as I scroll down....
 
Oh, the error indicators have been redesigned.
@Rangad If you create a bug report, I'll vote for it.
 
I'll try to work with it till monday and see if it's any good, after that I'll see what I do. (Most likely request an option to revert to the old style, if it's not already there)
More importantly: > Debugger extension is not detected
 
More important: I need an option to have tabs in Makefiles.
 
11:37 PM
@kelunik just always use tabs… problem solved.
 
Tabs are meant for aligning things anyway.
I think 4 spaces is so common because the default view of 8 spaces for a tab is ridiculous.
 
I like it
forces you to write clean code imho
which is linux's justification for it, btw.
 
I think it doesn't format it in phpStorm 9, hm.
 
@LeviMorrison 8 space-wide tabs aren't ridiculous … they show you where others accidentally used 4 literal spaces instead of the tab :-D
 
@FlorianMargaine You're mistaken there
 
11:39 PM
:D
 
Linux' justification is "I said so - Linus"
 
Maybe, because I added it as a file type.
 
Don't let them tell you otherwise
Any justifications for tab indentation are just excuses
 
@NikiC which is just as valid… Linus wrote initial core for Linux … and they went all the years well with it … so he must be right no?
 
user895378
@LeviMorrison 8 spaces is ridiculous
 
11:41 PM
If only GitHub would use tab → 4 spaces.
 
In all my new code I use a tab.
 
@kelunik why?
 
@bwoebi It's valid in that it's reasonable not to change indentation of large codebases after-the-fact ;)
 
user895378
Guys I'm going to be in ext/openssl mode between now and feature-freeze. Does anyone have any specific functionality they'd like to see added?
 
@bwoebi because:
57 secs ago, by rdlowrey
@LeviMorrison 8 spaces is ridiculous
 
11:42 PM
@kelunik 8 spaces is ridiculous. 8 space tab representation isn't.
 
You can probably find a message somewhere where I say that tabs are ridiculous :D
 
@rdlowrey you have to add something else except what we discussed?
 
btw The error_handler and pecl_http votes have been closed as denied.
 
user895378
@bwoebi I don't have to, no. I'd like to implement OCSP stapling support in client/server streams, but I may or may not depending on how complicated it is.
 
user895378
It should be trivial for client streams.
 
user895378
11:44 PM
Servers may be a bit more complex.
 
I can finally compile with my zend_function_signature change. I'm not going to bother running it because I didn't allocate memory anywhere so I know it won't work.
But it compiles \o/
 
@NikiC well, there's actually an objective reason in the coding standard :)
> Now, some people will claim that having 8-character indentations makes
the code move too far to the right, and makes it hard to read on a
80-character terminal screen. The answer to that is that if you need
more than 3 levels of indentation, you're screwed anyway, and should fix
your program.
In short, 8-char indents make things easier to read, and have the added
benefit of warning you when you're nesting your functions too deep.
Heed that warning.
 
Eh, I prefer adjusting my editor to display 4 spaces for tab, but retain the tab.
 
class, method, loop, if → more than 3 levels..
 
well, it's a coding style for C
 
11:53 PM
I think 4-char indent and maximum line length of 120 are fine.
 
Sorry but mixing every possible combination of whitespace is just the PHP way
you should indent returns with ACKs, exceptions with NAKs, and function calls with SYNs
 

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