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8:01 PM
@Ocramius I couldn't run the ZF2 test suite with PHP7, if fatals a lot regarding other PHP7 incompatibilities :(
So I guess there is no way to have real numbers until ZF2 starts to test PHP7 on travis. Any ideas?
 
@marcio it does? I know mwop is working on getting 7.x running on it
 
@Ocramius ok, unfortunately I can't wait for this PR to get merged. I'll try it, just to see if at least part of the test suite can be run.
thanks!
 
@marcio checkout that branch then
we can't merge because for some reason, according to travis, the exit code is non-zero
 
k :)
 
@Danack ping, no reply, you alive or have you blocked me :P
 
8:17 PM
@Jimbo I was still searching for the appropriate gif to reply. You think I might have written a talk I need to give in July, already?
 
@Danack I need a fainting couch as well :|
 
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@Jimbo I am thinking about coming up to the PHP NW group to give a practice version of the talk.
 
@Danack Get working on it, I'm happy to proof-read. Here's my nooby first talk I gave at PHPNW, slides may be of some use
And yeah, Jeremy and group would be happy to have you speak there... need to get in soon though as there's quite a few people who want to give talks
 
@Danack do it: I need to do the same
 
There's also a video of me giving that talk, where I am getting slowly more drunk towards the end. Not on the internetz though I hope
 
8:20 PM
@Jimbo link or you'll never drink again
 
@Ocramius I don't have it. It doesn't exist
 
-.-
 
I do however need to write an abstract for a talk, and don't know where to start. Any pointers? :P
 
Zeev... Holy fuckballs is he annoying
and also a hypocrite
 
But no, say how you really feel.
 
8:23 PM
how I really feel?
this is fucking retarted
they published gamed results. I called him out, and I'm the bad guy
WHAT THE FUCK
 
@ircmaxell Relax, have a cup of tea. Screw those guys, you have tea
 
@ircmaxell, you're one of the only highly technical people on internals that ever calls them out on their crap. Of course you're gonna be the fall guy.
 
@ircmaxell hmm. Well… I think I can understand them this time (But I think I can assume that you usually don't insult, so I wonder a bit how they thought it would have been intended that way…)
 
My response to Zeev in private:
I'm not blaming him personally.

But publishing an apples-to-oranges benchmark needs to be called out. It shows that his POC is faster than GCC compiled C. But only if you give it a major crutch.

Just like I would expect to be called out if I did that. If we can't talk about code on a level playing field, separated from emotion, then we're lost. I wasn't trying to impune either him or Zend. I was simply pointing out the numbers that he posted were completely bogus.
 
@ircmaxell just wondering… is the difference really that significant? print rountine is just called about a 1600 times there
 
8:27 PM
his response:
> I'm not blaming him personally.

You're not?

You could have absolutely said that you think the methodology is wrong, poor, problematic, inadequate - you name it.  You did name it, "Sneaky" and "Completely Fake" - which is simply unacceptable, and that's an understatement.

> Just like I would expect to be called out if I did that.

As a sneaky, faking person?  I'm sure you don't mean that.

I'm telling this to you independent of all the jousting we had on Twitter and internals.  My jaw literally dropped when I saw what you wrote.  You owe him an apology, a big one.
 
It's maybe a bit cheating in the millisecond range, but not more.
 
@bwoebi if you're writing out, yes it can be significant
 
... all the awesome post begin with "I'm not blaming him personally. But .."
 
it really depends on the receiver. If it's /dev/null, it may well be in the millisecond range. If it's a TTY, then it could be in the second range
 
yes. but it's not so significant that it'd cost 20 ms or such…
 
8:29 PM
it's like starting a sentence with "I am not racist, but .."
 
@ircmaxell I'd suggest you run the tests yourself before continuing?
 
@bwoebi it absolutely can be
 
well, looks like Dmitry himself hasn't take anything as offensive:
> Not a problem. I wouldn't even notice this because my bad English knowledge
allows me to filter this :)
 
@ircmaxell I mean… when gcc -O2 is taking 0.011 sec, it probably won't be writing to stdout for 10 ms …
 
I am so glad that I cannot write ANSI C anymore, or I would be getting the urge to fix PHP ... and then rage and rage and rage.
 
8:33 PM
@tereško you just said that you want to forget how to program in general
 
haii
 
@bwoebi not 10ms, but I'd believe 5...
 
@JoeWatkins hey
 
yo bob
 
@ircmaxell … can you just please run the benchmarks yourself instead of "I guess, I believe"? thanks :-)
 
8:34 PM
oooooh drama, /me goes to read internals
 
@Ocramius no, I am saying that I have forgotten how to use the macro-assembler called "C" , and good riddance
otherwise I would end up posting death threats on internals .. or carrying them out
 
safe to ignore zeev I think, dmitry doesn't care, nor would I ...
 
@bwoebi 0.036 seconds with the print, 0.019 without it (just commenting the print)
 
what's the subject? Single quotes VS double quotes?
/me is too lazy to scroll up
 
@bwoebi IO is unpredictable is the reason.
1600 calls might be significant one run and not the next.
 
8:38 PM
@ircmaxell so, in range of gcc -O0?
 
@bwoebi 47% of runtime is outputing
now yes, keeping a buffer isn't free, but the point being that it's disengneuous to benchmark one with buffering on, and the other wihtout
 
I absolutely don't disagree. I just wondered.
But it's still pretty nice then.
At least seems faster than hhvm
 
Wow Zeev is furious
 
I wonder if it was warmed up
 
@tereško buffered IO vs direct IO...i.e. a completely bogus benchmark.
 
8:42 PM
He wants an apology? well…
 
@Danack never trust a benchmak which you didn't fake yourself
fak
 
I'm half tempted to snap at that email and write something REALLY nasty. But I'm going to try to walk away instead
 
Yeah I would reply either
Not
 
@ircmaxell try, but if it fails, write a blog post
 
People are wound up in here, not sure if I should post abstract for criticism or not...
 
8:44 PM
nah - any discussion should be on list. But as Dmitry's already accepted the clarification there's no gain to be had.
 
What's Zeevs goal? Showing that you're worse than you are? @ircmaxell
 
@bwoebi yes.
 
@bwoebi which is why it's not worth snapping
 
He doesn't want alternative people to be thought of as being respected on internals.
 
@bwoebi zeev's goal is to keep himself relevant while not actually contributing anything useful
it's not anything new
 
8:46 PM
@ircmaxell Doesn't matter what two known-biased people think. Most people can make up their own minds and discard any associated FUD
 
It's like they've seen an opportunity to jump on someone who is the main contender of their STH RFC or something. Like politicians trying to dig up dirt on each other. You have a track record of speaking the blunt truth, I don't think anyone is going to judge you any worse because of these mails
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I'm tempted to write a mail to Zeev… But I'm sure I'm absolutely the wrong person to do so…
 
nah, better if everyone ignores him
 
@Leigh Except that others might not perceive the same bias.
 
8:49 PM
@Leigh Yep, I agree.
 
@Charles Then they're really out of touch with the community. Anthony (imho) has a passion for absolute truths and dispelling myths, if he doesn't question something suspicious I might think worse of him (unlikely though :))
 
I had intended it as a remark about the code. Not about him personally, not about you, not about Zend. The presence of the explicit buffering code indicates that it wasn't an accident. Whether it was intentional for extra speed or not, it's still an intentionally different codepath between the rest of the implementations. One that in practice can have non-trivial differences over outputting directly.

If you took that as an insult against him, you or Zend, then I'm sorry. I still believe the benchmark is very subtly broken, and hence the results are invalid. I apologized to any insult that 
^^ that's what I'm thinking about replying with
thoughts?
 
That's probably not what Zeev wants to hear… but the correct thing to say.
 
I don't care if it's what Zeev wants to hear. I care if it's the right thing to say, if it's what he needs to hear, and if it's what others need to hear
 
You already apologized once didn't you?
(Or mentioned it wasn't intended to be a personal remark)
 
8:53 PM
@Danack When you've got a sec, could you give this a read and let me know what you think?
 
> So I do apologize to the person. I don't to the code.
 
@ircmaxell It's like when you produced those Recki benchmarks and gcc had optimised out the bulk of the code, didn't make your code bad.
 
You explained why you shouldnt apologize and then apologized , @ircmaxell =/
 
@ircmaxell I'd just walk away on this one. He will get your reply and twist it in some way. He already twisted it once. Even Dmitry got it right. Just walk away seems best (I know it's easier to say it though). Oops, email already sent :P
 
I wonder actually, if he compared the result of the benchmarks to make sure the correct results were produced
 
8:55 PM
@marcio I said that. If he keeps pressing, I walk. If he wants to make it constructive, I'm game
@tereško well, no, I apologized if it was misinterpreted as to the person
this is what Zeev said to me in private:
> > I'm telling this to you independent of all the jousting we had on
> > Twitter and internals.  My jaw literally dropped when I saw what you
> > wrote.  You owe him an apology, a big one.
>
> And I will apologize. Publicly.

For what?  If you think that it is sneaky (adj. furtive, stealthy;
deceptive, deceitful) and fake (ajd. counterfeit, false), what do you have
to apologize for?

> I wish you'd take your own advice though and apologize to those you've
> offended in the past.

I did apologize to whomever I thought I offended in the past, and I've done
 
> Code review is not an insult. It does not require an apology.
 
@tereško dammit, if I'd have seen that sooner I would have used that
 
popcorn
 
s/popcorn/puke/
 
dude, don't puke on my popcorn.
 
8:58 PM
These germans, they'll eat anything :x
 
:-/
 
Woah, you owe Germany an apology
 
lol............
 
luckily not german :D
 
Not at all, my ex was German, I did them a favour
 
8:59 PM
There are... comments being made around the office about this "jit". I think I'll refrain from repeating them.
 
negative or very negative?
 
jit is how steve wilhite pronounces git :x
 
I would say positive, actually
Laughter is a very positive emotion
 
@Sara "does he know what a jit is?"
 
@Sara the comments, not the reactions :-D
 
9:03 PM
I'll refrain from making any such observations.
 
@Sara the J is pronounced as a very soft, almost sibilant sound?
 
@Danack lol
 
/me goes back to browsing shops for a monitor (and trying to find a reason not to buy a 3440x1440 one)
php-internals is waste of my neurons
 
@tereško you will loose the mouse pointer once in a while
// true story
 
also: to his point about GCC buffering, it implicitly flushes the buffer for every newline. So in the source code they have, the C is doing 80 flushes, while PHP does 0
wonder if it's worth bringing that up...
 
9:05 PM
And 60+Hz at max res or prepare to throw it out of the window
 
@Leigh it has 60Hz
 
make sure it has it for the connection you intend to use, some have 60hz hdmi but 30hz dvi at max res
 
@Sara Congrats on the keynote for pnwphp! (it was you right? :-P)
 
@Leigh it has displayport
 
@Jimbo yup, and I'm looking forward to it @Sara :-D
 
9:07 PM
displayport is what I meant, not dvi, sorry - my 4k at work was only 30hz over displayport until I could upgrade it to protocol v1.2
 
Awesome
 
@Jimbo Yeah, that's me. I'm quite nervous, actually.
 
I'm going to try seeing what happens with regards to performance if split out this stuff like so:
typedef struct _zend_function_signature {
        zend_function *prototype;
        uint32_t num_args;
        uint32_t required_num_args;
        zend_arg_info arg_info[];
} zend_function_signature;
 
@Sara Don't be, I guarantee we're all rooting for you!
 
@Sara Meh, following up on Anthony's talk will be a breeze ;)
urgh, my brain turned pnwphp into phpnw .. bleh, ignore me, as usual
 
9:10 PM
It would save 16 bytes in zend_op_array, zend_function and zend_internal_function at the cost of more indirection.
 
@LeviMorrison not going to be 32bit aligned, but uint32_t is a bit overkill for args
you could cut that right down
 
It's what is there currently. But it won't matter because of alignment anyway.
 
combine them into a single value and shift one by 16 :)
 
It still won't matter.
 
@Leigh like I once thought uint32_t would be overkill for constant arrays… I was proven wrong.
 
9:11 PM
(not really)
 
@Leigh y u no union?
 
Even if I used one byte for each that's a uint16.
It would still pad out to take up the same space as a uint64
 
not on 32bit platforms, come on, you know you want to make friends with Lester
 
lol
@bwoebi If anyone uses more than 255 arguments to functions it had better be in generated code.
 
s/255/5
 
9:14 PM
@LeviMorrison Yeah, I'm talking about generated code too.
 
@LeviMorrison actually, maybe not with that zend_arg_info in there. That has 2x uchar's in it which is going to push the alignment up anyway, dropping 32 bits will drop it below the threshold for the next alignment
 
@Leigh alignof(zend_arg_info[]) is going to be 8.
It will still pad, I promise.
 
urgh []
I'm just going to go and play some computer games or something
 
9:29 PM
Oh yay! It gets rid of having a -1 access to arg_info for return types too, I just realized.
 
@Leigh also… do {} while (0) is always just saving a goto call…
 
> James is a Developer from England who loves Star Wars, PHP and beer. In his spare time, and also at work, he answers Stackoverflow questions and forwards cat pictures to his colleagues. He also loves writing good code, evangelising best practice and applying more academic knowledge in software to help the next developer who inherits his code in the hope that the circle will continue.
^ Okay for a bio?
(for a conference)
 
@bwoebi I did my own research, apparently it's the only construct that can be included in an if(MACRO) scenario that has semicolons separating things
 
@Leigh hmmm?
 
106
Q: do { ... } while (0) — what is it good for?

gilm Possible Duplicate: Why are there sometimes meaningless do/while and if/else statements in C/C++ macros? I've been seeing that expression for over 10 years now. I've been trying to think what it's good for. Since I see it mostly in #defines, I assume it's good for inner scope variable ...

 
9:36 PM
that's why we always use {} blocks for if () and else parts
 
Screw it, submitted
 
@Jimbo Sorry I stopped reading at "Star Wars" because I had an attack of the yawns
 
@Leigh rly :-(
 
It's OK, I'm sure you'll fit in perfectly ;D
 
Lol, thanks man
 
9:42 PM
You answer SO questions at work? Clearly not busy enough...
 
Nah, it was a bit of a joke
partially
 
We've met, you know I'm a complete tool on purpose. You'll be fine, nobody reads those things anyway
hi5 for being a wee nipper and given more talks than me already, in more countries too
 
@Leigh Cheers, support is very much appreciated seeing as I'm so new to it :-) If you want anyone to go over your proposal or anything let me know
 
@Jimbo How do you find good questions to answer? o.O
 
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@PeeHaa wow ... Feb 1, 2012. That's super old-school there.
 
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9:50 PM
morning
 
@LeviMorrison A lot of people as OO questions that aren't hard to answer because they don't understand anything about OO
Usually involves injecting PDO and then wondering what to do with it, things like that
 
You mean you don't extends PDO?! and make it a singleton that you can just global in?
 
no, I use global $db;
 
global $dbSingleton;?
 
How would you setup PDO if you wanted to abstract it? I'm using a PDOWrapper and it works, but I've only ran one select query for PostGres and MySQL
I know PDO does it all, so it wouldn't be a good idea to try to "improve" it
 
9:59 PM
Use a DBAL, or ORM depending on your needs. People say "you don't always need an ORM" but tbh if I've got a 'skeleton project' with the ORM ready and set up and going, it makes for faster and nicer development using an ORM
 
@taco then why are you wrapping it?
 
<?php
namespace Main\Database;

class PDOWrapper {

use \Main\Traits\DB\MySQL;
//use \Main\Traits\DB\PostgreSQL;

use \Main\Traits\QueryData;


}
 
nice. abstraction that doesn't tell me anything at all. now I need to read multiple files to have an idea what this thing is doing
 
So you can uncomment one line and use a different RDBMS
ok
 
@Jimbo I think "people" say "you need an ORM", but actual developers say "just learn SQL"
 
Good luck keeping decent application-level OM constraints without such a tool.
 
@taco put the dsn in a config file instead...
 
my SQL queries are just for views, all my logic is in stored procedures
 
@Patrick how so?
 
@FlorianMargaine I just died a bit inside, and also threw up a bit in my mouth
probably the dead bit
 
10:03 PM
Read from your config, use a factory to build your object
 
Factories can get whatever they need from anywhere to construct your object
 
@taco what jimbo said
 
And use an ORM to fetch far more data using far more joins than sanely required
 
lol
 
10:04 PM
@Patrick @Jimbo thanks
 
@Leigh yup, because computers are fast anyway
 
@Ocramius until it takes 30 seconds to load a page with doctrine
 
I'd rather design an async architecture that fetches 10 times more data than a blob of SQL-oriented logic that can't be modified
 
Sure they are, but the more you can get done on 10 fast computers rather than 20, the more money you save
 
@Patrick but it doesn't. People just use the tool incorrectly
@Leigh I'm fairly sure I can pay for those 20 computers with 1 day of my consulting fees.
 
10:05 PM
@Ocramius sometimes it's just not the right tool for the job
 
@Ocramius Scale it up, then work out who's going to maintain the app if you have to spend all your time consulting to pay for it
 
@Patrick agree, but saying that it's not in advance is also bs
 
@Ocramius Aha! I see your plan. You write software that causes a page to take 30 seconds to load, then charge the cost of several cows to 'fix' their problems :P
I don't know why cows, but sometimes it IS the right moo for the job
 
@Jimbo tbh, most people just throw the ORM and JMSSerializer at some REST-CRUD API and hope that it will work, without realizing that they are loading their entire OM in memory because they are stupid
 
I'm not drinking beer...
 
10:07 PM
stupid decisions are stupid, it's not the tool being stupid. A tool has no AI unless I'm not up to date with skynet news
Anyway, SQL is a reporting language, not a business logic design tool
keep that in mind.
 
@Ocramius yeah sure. It needs to be evaluated for each case. But it does work a lot of times
 
Also, "state" is overrated. State mutations are much more relevant, and unless you go 6th normal form with a DB you are building yourself a trap by coding logic in the SQL layer
 
@Ocramius OM?
 
A one-size-fits-all tool is never going to be optimal for any specific task
 
@FlorianMargaine object model
 
10:09 PM
@Leigh come on, so many projects are just crud
 
@Leigh no, but I'd still prefer to use MongoDB instead of writing logic in the SQL RDBMS or in the queries
and I hate mongodb.
 
@FlorianMargaine You're right
 
and yeah logic in the db sounds horrible @FlorianMargaine
how do you even version control that?
 
The trick is to use the tool for the wrong task enough times to learn when the task shouldn't use it
 
@FlorianMargaine crud (krŭd) n. 1. Slang a. A coating or an incrustation of filth or refuse.
 
10:10 PM
So yeah, regardless if you use an ORM or not: don't code logic in your data. data is data :P
 
@Patrick I was kidding. That said, rob.conery.io/2015/02/21/…
@Ocramius and a db must assert the integrity of your data
 
meh, you got me there :P
 
@FlorianMargaine that's very different from logic in the data. Also, it is kinda hard to assert on state mutations inside the DB. I'd rather go full event-sourcing nowadays
 
"stored procs suck" is such a cargo cult anyway...
 
10:13 PM
Well, they surely get you infinite work-hours and an eternal fix job position
 
@Ocramius speaking from experience?
 
Yeap :-\
 
did you have business logic in stored procs?
 
Yes, I used to have that
 
then you're stupid, what can I say
 
10:14 PM
talking about ~5 years ago :P
 
but data logic should be in the db, though
 
well, even the constraining ones (not modifying data) are just headaches
 
There is a world of difference between "business logic offloaded to the db" and the "smart retrieval of relevant data"
using an ORM or a framework is just a way of making your application fit into someone else's rules and logic. There's no reason for anything to be unmaintainable without using these
 
It just reduces development work by a giant amount
any DAL does that, tbh, because SQL is not designed for atomic operations, it's designed for reporting (again)
 
10:17 PM
I'll concede that ORMs are (in the majority) often misused, but I still prefer to be in control. That might just be me, or a side effect of who I am. I value performance highly.
 
SQL is designed for data management... not just reporting
 
The DB is just the persistent datastore you use to refresh your cache after a reboot ;)
 
^^ that ^^
Really, SQL databases are good at doing reporting over normalized data, but I find myself more and more slowed down by normalization and DB-level constraints
I'd rather be eventually-consistent and have a log where to reconstruct state from in case of integrity issues
 
So it'd be cool if Doctrine worked entirely wish a caching layer, but fell back to hard-db if it failed :P
BIG RAM req
 
@Jimbo as a matter of fact, that's the case now
(current dev-master)
 
10:21 PM
I know it has proxies and things, but they're proxies for the db calls
 
@Jimbo yea, because it would cache all 1000 objects it needed to represent a string
 
Wait, you be shitting me?
 
@Jimbo no, we added a SLC
 
@Leigh Value Objects few!
ftw*
 
@Leigh still better than a single incomprehensible string ;-)
 
10:21 PM
Think how cheap RAM is though
 
one object per character, because it helps when iterating over codepoints ;)
 
One object per binary number
 
@Jimbo it's not that cheap...
 
-_-
 
One object to rule them all...
and in the random access memory, bind them
 
10:23 PM
one object to find them...
 
@Leigh if the characters have a particular meaning, then yes, they should be designed accordingly, and since PHP can't allow custom internal types it will be VOs
@Jimbo skip to 3/4
 
You want to know what's ridiculously faster than value-objects? an assoc array ;)
 
user895378
AOP
 
And you want to know which one will increase development time by 10x? An assoc array ;-)
 
user895378
array oriented programming forevah \o/
 
10:24 PM
almost crying at the troll at the beginning, had me confused for a sec
 
As a performance engineer, I know which one will increase my development time
 
implementing ajax by using jquery is faster than by using just simple javascript? is there any speed difference?
 
oh god please
 
user895378
This is why I still want some form of read-only property.
 
drupal 6, and still 7, is full of arrays
 
user895378
10:25 PM
All the function calls to access immutable values kill me.
 
@YourFriend african or european jquery?
5
 
please no
 
user895378
Or a tuple.
 
@YourFriend blue or gold jquery?
 
user895378
Either one.
 
10:26 PM
@rdlowrey I think this could be optimized by inlining one-line functions calls...
 
user895378
That would do it too.
 
@Ocramius ?
 
What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen jQuery?
 
considering an unladen jquery has to operate at 43 instructions per second...
 
user895378
Any new scalar hint craziness in the last two days I may have missed being mostly out of the office?
 
user895378
10:28 PM
Scalar typing has really been a great developer soap opera.
 
user895378
So much intrigue ...
 
@rdlowrey There should be a reality tv show where rdlowrey slaps Zeev and then someone comes in complaining about the version numbering :P
 
@rdlowrey no, the last popcorn-worth thread is the JIT Zend released
 
@rdlowrey I did some crazy stuff with scalar hints
 
well, "JIT"
 
10:30 PM
@bwoebi Woohoo!!!
 
Okay. Feel free to throw a party… :-)
 
@bwoebi Don't forget to close github.com/php/php-src/pull/1029 ;)
 
user895378
@Jimbo I actually found Zeev to be quite reasonable and open in a one-on-one discussion. I felt bad for trashing his opinion. I think it's really down to two different world-views about what PHP should be.
 
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DEATH TO DATE.TIMEZONE
 
@NikiC uh, yeah… I had to rebase … and then the commit id changed because you just pushed ten seconds before I wanted to push :s
 
10:31 PM
cc @ircmaxell ^
 
yup
 
JitFacade
 
Ohhhh, I need to get popcorn, for when Derick reverts it
 
@NikiC done
 
@Ocramius Thanks for your talk, very interesting. Never knew about metadata caching, think I'll be doing that
 
10:37 PM
Can someone please remove that panic() routine from OS X? It sucks when faulty hardware triggers it…
 
dimitry said its a PoC, its not clear how much time they invested, so this approach is totally valid for a first version imho, no need to bash it for being only file based and using generic types IMHO
 
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@Leigh Monday.
 
@bwoebi Just install Linux.;-)
 
@kelunik It's present in Linux too, lol…
 
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@Leigh That's why it's awesome that Bob merged it at the end of the day on Friday lol.
 
10:37 PM
Or a real BSD
 
@beberlei it's not bashing it. Not at all. It's showing it's not a JIT in any way shape or form (and using the results from it to talk about JIT benefits is completely missing the mark)
 
@Jimbo if you're going into prod without metadata caching you have a problem :P
 
Fuck the QA pulls tool
 
@bwoebi Don't know how you always get there.
 
the interesting part is the SLC
 
10:38 PM
@rdlowrey I must admit, that it's only a coincidence that it's Friday now…
 
@NikiC Woah there Nikita, how'd you get sand in your vagina?
 
@ircmaxell not by you, but others here have badmouthed it a bit imho. everybody always complained about zend only releasing stuff so late when its already ready, now they do it differently and then get backslash again
 
user895378
@NikiC you mean how it auto-closes PRs or for some other reason?
 
@rdlowrey I mean how it never works
Like right now it displays the repo ":" and nothing else
 
This is why I specifically requested not to have git karma, so I have to get other people to merge PRs for me ;)
 
10:40 PM
normally that works, but if you try to go through the pages it will jump around wildly
 
@NikiC you have push karma I think?
 
@beberlei fair
 
And it will open entries either with 1.5 cm height so you don't see anything or make them so large that they're bigger than the window
 
user895378
Oh. I haven't experienced that. As long as I don't do some sort of crazy cherry-pick or something it seems to "just work"
 
@kelunik The only good thing is that in less than 20 seconds everything is back up like before…
 
10:41 PM
not to mention that you can't close anything without providing a message - however it doesn't tell you that, it just keeps loading for the next five minutes
 
user895378
@Leigh I was terrified of the merge process for a long time but I've kind of gotten used to it now. I know what the pitfalls are, what to avoid, etc.
 
@rdlowrey sorry, I think we're talking about different things. I'm referring to qa.php.net/pulls
 
@bwoebi I don't see where this is good. :-P
 
@kelunik nah… It'd be better if it took an hour to recover, yea?
 
user895378
@NikiC oh yeah, we were talking about different things.
 
10:42 PM
scalar type dual seems on a good way :)
still 60 votes outstanding from last time though ;)
 
@bwoebi It'd be better if your hardware wouldn't fail that often.
 
user895378
The only problem I have with php-src merges anymore is when @bwoebi removes parts of the public API and my tests start inexplicably failing and I think it's my patch that's the problem and I spend hours trying to debug a problem that I didn't cause.
 
user895378
lol. That's a true story. When Bob killed those reflection functions my openssl tests broke and I thought it was some crazy random failure in my commit. Took all afternoon to realize it had nothing to do with me.
 
Sorry :o
 
user895378
10:44 PM
hehe it's okay. I know I've done stuff like that to you in userland repos :)
 
Hmm... something in phpstorm 9 feels different. Are the colors more saturated? Anyway, am I the only one who dislikes the new tabs?
 
Man, all the ongoing votes are so boring with clear passes or declines. We need more 'down to the wire' voting =P
 
@AllenJB scalar ty...
 
@bwoebi Even that's at 74% (granted it only has 38 votes on it atm, which IIRC is less than half of the previous STH RFC vote)
 
@AllenJB I meant the last one
 

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