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7:00 PM
I thought I could work with it, but I failed
Just not worth it
 
@PeeHaa what's the issue with just changing the my.cnf?
 
@bwoebi portability
 
@PeeHaa eih wat. Why can't you just require the one who installs your app to do some changes to the conf?
 
@bwoebi Because not everybody is allowed to
Shared hosting for one
 
/gives a shit on shared hosting.
 
7:04 PM
Yeah agreed. But for this project it is a requirement
 
Really. If you want to do something real… the few dollars per month aren't too much.
@PeeHaa Ah, why?
 
@bwoebi Clients aliens...
 
@PeeHaa Alien clients... THIS ONE WEIRD TRICK WILL ZOBOL YOUR GARBLADAVS IN NO TIME!
 
:P
 
The last time I tried to zobol my garbladavs, I spent more time zobolling my piglumops, and they got all yarfy.
And you know what they say about yarfy piglumops.
 
7:12 PM
god dan has been drinking again... :)
 
tbh, I'm probably still a bit drunk from yesterday
 
@ircmaxell @NikiC @AndreaFaulds How do you run the performance test in Zend/
Oh, it's just: time php Zend/micro_bench.php, isn't it?
 
@SaraGolemon time hhvm Zend/micro_bench.php, surely ;)
By the way, the bigint branch performs faster than master at that, by a very small margin
 
@AndreaFaulds Not working on HHVM atm, working on PHP
 
:o
But you're Ms. HHVM!
Then again, you're also the PHP Princess.
 
7:19 PM
Damn skippy
btw, don't be alarmed, I'm in your time one
timezone, as well
 
YARFY PIGLUMOPS!
 
@SaraGolemon :o
:O
'O'
 
@SaraGolemon you can edit previous messages in this chat (to fix typos, for example)
 
@FlorianMargaine I know, but I'd rather make people work at it
 
7:22 PM
 
I see. You're that kind of girl.
 
@SaraGolemon You are in my timezone
@FlorianMargaine The evil kind?
 
@AndreaFaulds Yes, but not in Scotland, so fear not
 
Not. That kind.
 
7:23 PM
@SaraGolemon You're either in Ireland, Portugal, England, Wales, or Iceland
Hmm
 
What IDE are you guys using?
 
@MarcelBurkhard Butterflies and magnets
 
I thought you're gonna say vim
 
Seriously though, NetBeans 8.0.2
 
7:24 PM
thanks for your useless input :P
ok
 
@MarcelBurkhard ^^
 
@DanLugg have you tried others too? Like Eclipse, PHP Storm, smth?
 
@MarcelBurkhard that's not an ide
 
I don't care
 
@MarcelBurkhard Eclipse is a barrel of pain (IMO) and PHPStorm is a barrel of awesome, however I stick to NetBeans because reasons.
@PeeHaa You got told, apparently.
 
7:26 PM
:)
 
I've used Komodo, NetBeans, Eclipse+PDT, and PHPStorm. PHPStorm is the only one that was able to cope with my codebase and do autocomplete correctly.
 
^^ I've found NetBeans keeps pace pretty solid on the autocomplete front.
 
@Charles ok thx for your input
I've been using Eclipse for a while now
 
Yea, do yourself a favor and stop.
 
@DanLugg For stuff that wasn't my work project, I found that to be true, but the amazingly stupid way we load classes broke netbeans for us.
 
7:27 PM
@Charles Ah, well. That makes sense then.
You can always /* @var $something Something */ inline, but who the fuck wants that?
 
@DanLugg It annoys me sometimes but I'm not sure if phpstorm is worth 100$/year. I put a lot of ram on the machine and it works good enough
 
@DanLugg Oh, no, worse, it couldn't even find the classes.
 
@DanLugg actually I do that very often xD ( /* @var ... */
BUT I don't see how I could save a lot of time by using phpstorm..
it takes me ~2 seconds to write that /* @var ... */ "statement"
 
@DanLugg I hate autocomplete
 
@PeeHaa I hear autocomplete isn't too fond of you either.
@Charles I'm not even going to ask.
> the amazingly stupid way we load classes
 
7:31 PM
@PeeHaa I was implicitly asking about php development, as in with php files for a php server. Not like developing php in c++ (or whatever it is :D )
 
@MarcelBurkhard Who said anything about c++?
@DanLugg Yeah it's true
 
@PeeHaa Ok sry I take it back.. ^^
 
Text editors FTW sublimetext.com/3
 
+1 for NetBeans cause you can do C/C++/Java/PHP/etc.
Used to support Ruby, not for a long time though.
 
@DanLugg Seriously man, when I say that this codebase sucks and I hate it, I am not making it up. Our most critical crap lives in shared_code/templates_item/ClassNameHere/object.php - and there are a bunch of additional files in there, a blisteringly broken set of combined display and business logic for frontend and backend views of the object....
 
7:33 PM
Y'know, I sometimes say to myself "COMPOSER IS BALLS WTF COMPOSER ARRRG" and then I remember what it was like before Composer, and I calm the fuck down.
 
Yeeeup.
 
@DanLugg True, however the amount of code you download is pretty scary
 
@Charles I have to support some real old projects from a self-taught programmer. Dynamic variables all over the place ^^
 
@PeeHaa Also very true.
 
not a single class of course
 
7:34 PM
symfony/* -- HARD DISK FULL
 
@PeeHaa And the amount of time it still takes to run, even after the lolgc fix. Never use to load PEAR stuff, by the way. Never.
@MarcelBurkhard I'm so sorry for your sanity.
 
@MarcelBurkhard As in $$yolo?
 
@Charles lolgc... I like that
 
That reminds me, did the RFC to fix the gc thing so it shows up in profiling get passed?
 
@DanLugg yeah, like in a for loop in a for loop ${$somevariable.'_'.$somethingelse}[$yetundefinedindex][$year]++;
 
7:38 PM
/me sets hair on fire and runs into the mountains
 
@MarcelBurkhard lol. Sorry for you :P
 
I got used to it
 
@PeeHaa Yeah, that one, thanks.
 
@MarcelBurkhard Never give yourself the opportunity to get used to a greasy wad of phlegm.
 
Fortunately all new projects are symfony2 so I'm fine
I get my 1440p monitor on wednesday
Looking forward to more screen real estate
 
7:53 PM
I'll just try the PHPStorm trial..
 
8:08 PM
type varchar(265) COLLATE utf8_unicode_ci NOT NULL,
 
Fev
guys, does PHPStorm have "embedded-web browser"?, i want to try the trial?
 
@Fev no and you don't really need that tbh :)
used to work in netbeans with it
in the end, I simply used a separate browser
 
Yo, room 11, two polls for you to help me decide on two Scalar Type Hints RFC Open Issues: 1. Type names, 2. Return Types
3
 
Fev
I'm using eclipse PDT now, but i'm just wondering why such a great IDE doesn't has at least minimal -tiny web browser :/
 
@AndreaFaulds \o/ polls!
 
8:11 PM
@Fev It does!?
 
@Fev I never understood the usefulness of that
 
@Fev my eclipse has a web browser and yours should too, I never use it though
 
Fev
I'm a hungry student, i can't afford PHPstorm anyway..:D
 
@AndreaFaulds voted \o/
 
@AndreaFaulds Where's the poll for 'make everything strict' ?
 
8:13 PM
@Fev as said, used to have that in Netbeans, but it's just a useless memory hog.
 
@Fev jetbrains.com/student - free for students.
 
Fev
@Marcell, i meant i don't want to be focus on styling (CSS), minimal browser is enough, i'm just doing some back-end activity lately :D
 
@Danack there isn't. This is about resolving open issues w/ RFC
@PeeHaa modstar it then
 
yes ma'am
 
Fev
@Danack, thank you, thank you so much!!
 
@PeeHaa you need to have users for that - your OPgui would qualify....
 
@Danack reaching Brizzle tomorrow morning \o/
 
@Danack It would, but I already have one from phpoauthlib :)
 
@Ocramius Coolio - bring gloves though, possibly going to be a cold week.
 
Also IIRC the PHP team gets a renew every year
 
8:17 PM
Yup, but I come from ZEH CERMANI
they didn't let me check-through my panzer though
 
lol
 
can't I use phpstorm with project files directly mounted with samba?
 
Use stored procedures they said, it'll be fine they said:
 
I gotta fkn press "Upload to..." first?
 
Fev
^lol that dog
 
8:17 PM
@MarcelBurkhard I don't see why not
 
It didnt let me
 
@MarcelBurkhard There's a setting to stop PHPstorm complaining about working on files that are on network drive.....but you probably don't want to do that...
 
BTW re that PHP7 container thing somebody mentioned on internals. I would really love that
hint hint
 
container thing?
1 message moved to Orphan GIFs
 
As in I don't want to build it myself. Give me something that just works so I can run "random app X"
 
8:21 PM
hey all!
 
@Danack I guess I do want to do that...
 
how do you send things to the orphan rooms?
 
I got a question....
-1
Q: Merge multidimensional array in php?

vimes1984OK I have the following: function get_grouped_attributes(){ global $wp_query; $prods_atts = array(); $id = array(); $posts = $wp_query->posts; foreach ($posts as $post) { $id[] = $post->ID; } foreach ($id as $key => $value) { ...

 
@PeeHaa what container thing?
 
@vimes1984 good for you, do you wish to share it?
 
8:23 PM
I know it was in the bin, but lol
 
@vimes1984 "asked 3 mins ago" Do you really think you've given people enough time to answer it?
 
I'm trying and failing misreably to combine a multidimensional array
 
@Danack vm kind of box thing
 
no didn't think time to answer Just wondered if somebody had a miraculos fix for it some php function i didn't know about....
 
docker vagrant whatever cool kids use
 
8:24 PM
do you mean 2 databases?
or data tables
 
@vimes1984 just use an assiocative array, non-unique keys will be overwritten
@vimes1984 and don't start your questions with "OK" ;D
 
@MarcelBurkhard genius!
 
or on a drop down from the first clumn you could request data for another drop down
 
@PeeHaa dockgrant?
 
I hear a business opportunity!
 
8:27 PM
business opportunity?
 
Hell yea! Business opportunity!
 
where?
 
Y'know, in business!
 
Earn 1500$ a day from home.
 
^^
 
8:28 PM
lol
 
i make more than that a day in leasing contracts
 
Everytime I see that, I lol
 
and they're not slums either
 
@DanLugg nice one
 
user1804599
8:29 PM
@DanLugg lol
 
@MarcelBurkhard the link is broken ?
 
@animaacija because I made it up
 
@animaacija because too many people are making $1500 a day
 
how many monitors do you guys use for development?
 
Fev
^that was my point I'm using netbook, can you believe that
 
8:34 PM
@DanLugg Linked it 2 days ago to coworker.
 
@Fev you have virtual monitors at least?
 
Fev
no..
 
I just have one monitor + laptop screen. I'd have more if I was making $1500 a day, though.
 
I think I'd quit my job when I had to use a netbook
 
@rdlowrey serverfault.com/q/161289/79155 kickstarter?
 
8:35 PM
I'm not making 1500 a day either ;D
 
Fev
well, netbook descibes a student so much :D
 
I have 3 monitors at work and 2 at home, but I'm used to three and can barely work at home
because I don't know where to put my stuff... :D
 
user895378
@PeeHaa haha that's not a bad idea. Not cheap.
 
:)
We will need to do it in sealand though
 
Fev
the 3rd sounds good for "fire in the hole"
 
8:38 PM
Is sealand where thepiratebay is located? :P
 
tpb is / was in sweden
 
Not sure where they are hosted now
Probably just here in the netherlands or iceland
 
a new reason not to buy a mini cooper
 
like I needed any more
 
8:42 PM
:)
yes that should have read another
 
Volkswagen ftw :P
 
Can't argue, love VW, about to pick up a BMW next month
first timer, im so excited :3
 
@jskidd3 WHat type?
 
but you do realize that Mini is bmw sort of?
 
@PeeHaa Z4
 
8:43 PM
Congratz anyway
 
Cheers, yeah I know about BMW/Mini being part of the same thing, I just don't like mini because of the looks
 
kk
 
If you knew what you were doing is it possible to perform a malicious attack using data displayed at mini.co.uk ?
Just purely out of interest... the likes of SQL injection
 
@jskidd3 Try it
 
8:46 PM
I would if I didn't fear a jail cell :p
im not behind vpn or anything
I probably wouldnt get anywhere anyway right?
 
@jskidd3 frootvpn.com free but slow
 
oooo
 
I don't think you would get anywhere, not with mysql injection anyway
 
@jskidd3 Without trying it impossible to say
There are lots of sites of big player vulnerable to attacks
 
yes, but that error doesn't show much, it might help once you're in because It shows some directory structure
but other than that...
well ok I take it back
It tells you what database abstraction layer they're using
 
8:51 PM
The fact that they are running production with displaying errors on is pretty scary...
 
yeah and its php 5.1.6
behind varnish cache
I suppose php 5.1.6 has many exploits..
and their hdd is obviously out of space
 
Fuck passwords. From now on, when you want to log into something I've created, you'll request a session link, which'll be emailed to you, and is valid for 24 hours.
 
@DanLugg yubikeys
 
Passwords are so annoying these days.
 
Fuck yubikeys
 
9:04 PM
Why? You can resell them for a whole lot!
 
Actually, nuts to security in general. Everyone can just log in as anyone; honor system!
 
btw, if anyone needs an extra reason for why pear totally sucks: PHP 4 support.
 
Ah finally I have a reason for why pear sucks ;)
 
@NikiC what's pear?
2
 
@Ocramius an apple subsidiary
 
9:13 PM
^ lol
 
Oh yea, pear... it looks something like this now, right?
 
9:28 PM
 
"Bisecting is awseome" --No one, ever.
I'll admit that I've never used bisecting
 
user895378
I used it once, said, "meh ..." and didn't bother again.
 
I wanted to a few times, but soon gave up
 
Bisector? I hardly even know 'er!
 
user895378
@Danack I see what you did there.
 
9:35 PM
/puts the joke back on shelf for the next generation.
 
@NikiC I'm pretty sure I've said it's awesome before… but don't want to spoil it.
 
"I'm getting a unknown type name ‘smart_str’" ==> someones forgotten to phpize or ./configure, right?
 
unsurprisingly, room 11 voted the way I thought it would
 
@NikiC I guess it's better on projects with tests suites that are easy to run... unlike php
 
you guys' opinions are just as bad as I expected
 
9:49 PM
on what?
nevermind, just saw it
 
@AndreaFaulds Someone reaching conclusions based on an (effectively) empty sample again?
 
@NikiC It's not much of a conclusion
 
@FlorianMargaine yeah, I guess if you don't need half an hour to build and test the whole thing becomes more pleasant
 
https://github.com/php/php-src/commit/34550382d89597552df369fe1d6318d32b5929cb#diff-04cea92a7135d50440b9667b54374985R429 and https://github.com/php/php-src/commit/5845f2c0c116accac6bdd60a6b35ff05aa604ca5#diff-04cea92a7135d50440b9667b54374985L450

How we fix things… more than 10 years later because nobody uses this :-D
 
@NikiC yup.
 
9:56 PM
I have no idea how people on c++ projects use it tho. Bisecting something would likely be a one-week job ^^
given how you'd need a few hours just for the build
 
Although, for things like php7 broken tests, you could simply bisect for this one broken test
 
@bwoebi I think PHP has a lot of functionality that is used by approximately ~1 person.
 
build times will only change what's changed... makefiles need to take into account headers changes... or bisect can horribly fail for completely different reasons
 
@NikiC in this case functionality even probably is used a bit more, but nobody ever experienced circumstances where this code broke anything…
 
user895378
@bwoebi yup, that definitely fixed my "chunking filter isn't receiving the footer from the gzip filter" problem :)
 
10:02 PM
@rdlowrey horray :-)
 
user895378
Only took me about 16 hours of losing my sanity to realize it was probably a php-src bug :)
 
@NikiC hebrev
 
user895378
@AndreaFaulds The classic example :)
 
10:23 PM
@AndreaFaulds well, this function at least has use cases… for example as a function which nearly nobody uses :-D
 
@AndreaFaulds To add insult to injury there's also hebrevc - which is just hebrev combined with nl2br...
 
@NikiC lol
> If you want to use hebrevc with english,
> just use strrev.
pfffffft
 
10:42 PM
@rdlowrey Not bad. Essentially that bug wasted $224 of your time assuming $14 an hour ^^
 
@LeviMorrison Heh… stop comparing OSS work with money :-)
 
@LeviMorrison ah, where does that assumption come from?
 
It's roughly what I pay the part-time employees here.
 
By the way: technically I could put the Scalar Type Hints RFC to a vote tomorrow, but v0.2 is a significant revision + return types not done
 
10:54 PM
@AndreaFaulds Hmm.
> In creating this RFC attempts to learn from these failings.
Are you sure you are a native English speaker? :D
 
@LeviMorrison I accidentally a word
 
@AndreaFaulds I really think this declare strict stuff is a lost cause
 
@NikiC How so?
 
From discussions here, on internals and on reddit this seems to be the least popular option of all
I'm not sure if there was even one person on internals who liked this
 
@LeviMorrison fixed
 
10:56 PM
should I care about phpmetrics on unit tests? Or are those allowed to be shitty?
 
The reddit reaction was suprisingly positive
 
Good morning
 
I even remember read such radical things like "I'd even prefer strict types over this"
 
A prediction:
Every form of scalar hints suggested so far will go to a vote
 
@crypticツ As in, code complexity of your unit test itself?
 
10:57 PM
@NikiC which if that's the case, it shouldn't be put up to a vote...
 
Every form will be rejected
 
votes should codify opinion, not force someone to choose
 
^^ This is not the first time someone has suggested that any attempt for scalar type declarations would fail.
 
gd night
@AndreaFaulds specially this one with declare
 
Night, Marcio.
 
10:59 PM
wtsup
 
It'll fail because no one proposal will satisfy enough voters, and any proposal with enough options to satisfy people will be complex enough to dissatisfy enough of a minority to vote against it.
 
It's one of the failings of the RFC process
 

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