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10:05 AM
morning
 
I presume most of you guys live east or at greenwich time zone meaning >-1
 
Wow, I didn't know we're doing this
I beg to be excused
 
no mercy
 
argh
my life is over * sobs *
gents
I was wondering about something which I am planning to post on workplace.stackexchange.com but I think the topic might be too broad so I am still wondering whether I should post it
 
10:15 AM
well first, try not to use "gents", some of us don't have a penis ...
 
Employer asking IT interviewee about social life. Reasons?
 
second, no idea, I've never used that part of SE
 
@JoeWatkins how may I refer to the folk here then?
It was inconsiderate, I agree...
 
you just referred to them ... it doesn't take much to avoid I don't think ... I make the same mistake, anyone is welcome to call me out on the same thing ;)
 
I have never though about it before, since I am not a native English speaker and in my language gents refers to everybody in a room, so I will correct myself next time.
I guess languages like Hungarian and Turkish have the advantage of not having a gender at all, in terms of nouns I mean
 
well I guess technically, gentleman is gender specific, like gentlewoman, but you tend to be referring to gentlemen because I've never met a female that describes themselves as a gentlewoman ... gents could be either I guess, but probably doesn't sound like that to a female ...
 
@ziGi Employer asking about social life - want to know if you're a good fit for the team, potential to hang out after work etc...
 
Sunday =[
 
Yes, I guess he is also referring to real interaction, not only on-line socializing
Why are you sad Ronni?
 
Because I love weekends
 
10:22 AM
well if you asked me about a social life, you wouldn't get a great answer ...
 
@JoeWatkins depends what is considered a great answer..
 
between two kids, and my severe addiction to programming, I have no time for a social life ... outside of programming anyway, the most socializing I have done for the last decade is attending conferences ...
 
well, I got asked about it at my internship intervie, since I was a university student in a new country, and my answer was, not a lot but when I have the opportunity to meet and talk with new people, I do it.
but I am still not sure whether that was a good answer
 
Hola from the UK (London specifically)
 
@JoeWatkins Genuine question on that - because I try and balance both atm, but going for programming 100% means going much further in your career. Are you glad that you did put all that effort in? Or would you have preferred balance but have a longer "professional life lifecycle". Just after your opinions
 
10:24 AM
@JoeWatkins, isn't chatting with people here also considered kind of a social lifish?
 
what you doing in London @ircmaxell ?
 
@ircmaxell Hello old chap! How the ruddy hell are you this fine morn? Ensure you have plenty of tea and crumpets.
 
@JoeWatkins layover waiting for my flight back to the States
 
chip chip cheerio
 
toodlepip!
 
10:25 AM
So many English chaps around here
 
lol
 
I've always wondered, what are all those strange greetings and how did one come up with them.
 
@Jimbo it wasn't really a choice ... but yes, I'm glad that happened, if I hadn't done it that way, I wouldn't know as much about as many languages, I wouldn't have written so much code, have so much experience ... say you struck the "perfect" balance of 50/50, the best case scenario what would take ten years would take twenty in a balanced world ...
 
Yeah, basically double the time required
Hmmm
 
yeah but more than that, because you know yourself how long it takes to jump on the train of thought everyday, you get more done in 12 hours than you do in 2x6 hour shifts ...
I can easily be wrong, perhaps that's extremely unhealthy ...
but it seems reasonable to me ...
 
10:29 AM
how do you make the time for your family?
 
I work from home, nowadays I never work on weekends ...
 
I see
 
@Ocramius nice results for killing xdebug
 
Joe, do you read and experiment constantly with things in order to keep up with learning something new every day?
 
also: functioning on 2 hours of sleep is not advisable
 
10:31 AM
too little sleep always makes me highly emo
 
plus, I don't spend much time writing code, I type code as fast as I type English in three or four languages ... I can be walking round a zoo and thinking and playing with the kids, and still getting shit done ... I do it all the time ...
 
4:30am at #phpbnl15...Definitely need to go to bed, but had an awesome convo w/ @michellesanver @igorwhiletrue @ircmaxell @wimgtr @dshafik
it was really quite an awesome chat
that was after everyone else slipped off to bed...
 
@ziGi I try to, but I tend to get consumed pretty easily, if you give me something to do, I won't concentrate on anything else for months, sometimes because of that I drag behind trying new things, I'll hear about them first ...
 
Interesting, I guess it goes with me the same way. Apparently, new things are most of the time interesting
Good to hear what you have to say about it.
 
I'm trying to evaluate two design companies for a friends website, anybody want to help :-)
 
10:34 AM
you know the physiological reason that ufo hunters spend thousands of dollars on huge rv's, leave behind their jobs and normal people to chase an obvious falsehood ?
 
@JoeWatkins because they had shitty jobs to begin with?
 
I have no idea to be honest, but if I have to guess, then the reason is related to curiosity is in human nature?
 
when you find your jam, roll with it
 
the pursuit of the unknown bathes their brain in the chemicals that drive them, it's as simple as they are chemically addicted ... accumulation of knowledge has a physiological effect also, but it cannot be constant ...
 
this is true
but it can become a habit if you do reading articles, talking with people about it and experimenting
just to want to sit and do it, maybe I am wrong
it is at least how it works with me
Joe, sorry for exhausting you with so many questions, but do you know your average speed of typing?
 
10:39 AM
writing what ?
 
I meant typing
code/english
 
oh it's above 80 words per minute ...
impossible to measure typing speed for code I think, but I'll type as fast when I'm writing code as when writing English, I spend the majority of the time thinking ... everyone should I think ...
 
yes
me too
I've always though I am really lousy because I do ~80 wpm
when typing english
but I couldn't measure writing code and when I did with some software it tells me it's quite slow like ~40-50
but I don't know, I think there are too many symbols on your right hand
most of them are there
if you are using QWERTY of course
I know some people prefer Dvorac for coding
Do any of you people use any (live) templates as they call them in IDE-s for faster coding, or do you think they make you lazy?
 
I think 80 is not bad, that's without punctuation just random words ... with punctuation it can go close to 100, but I don't think that's realistic, not sure how they count punctuation ...
 
I am around 60-70 wpm on the right keyboard...
 
10:46 AM
also, I always correct mistakes ... there's no point in typing real fast if it's wrong ...
 
true
 
someone posted a link on twitter the other day to a test but can't find it now ...
 
do you guys do any copy pasting of code which is similar but it has to be altered (I am talking about small chunks of 3-4 lines)
 
I done it a few times, got 80-82
 
I did 82 now
but yeah
I've always wondered whether it's easier for native English speakers to choose better variable names and also to choose them faster
 
10:49 AM
74
 
@ziGi nope, nor do I use an IDE usually ...
 
so you always write everything from scratch?
 
@ziGi quite possibly
 
I think having things like empty try-catch-finally blocks and switch blocks as shortcuts make me lazy
but it makes me work faster at the same time because it takes me less time to type what I have to when I need to
 
well yeah, or functions if it's the kind of code you cannot just remember ... maybe the kind of code that manipulates a mask maybe, or something of that complexity ...
 
10:52 AM
imagejpeg($image, $destination, $quality); when i am try to compress my image with this function it give me autometically rotated image when width<height can any one help me with that
 
Just one more thing, to go back to the conversation about sleep. I have read and head by many people that not sleeping for a long period, like 20 hours or so, is like drinking two glasses of wine. I am not sure whether that is true, however, I drove a few times with my brother from west to east Europe and I can tell you with certainty that it isn't fun driving when not well rested.
 
probably depends what you are doing, if you spend twenty hours in a gym, you will die, if you spend twenty hours doing a jigsaw puzzle, you will be boring, but likely won't die, or even feel drunk ...
 
So I can imagine why I have programmed at 2-3 in the morning.
 
my days are that long, every day
 
@ziGi driving when sleep deprivated is quite dangerous
 
10:59 AM
I know, I felt that I was tired a few times so we'd just stop to rest
 
yeah of course, but trying to apply it to programming doesn't work, programming for 20 hours at a time with minimal breaks is probably quite normal ...
 
but even having a few hours of sleep can't replace night sleeping
@JoeWatkins yeah, how is that working, I can't really understand
 
11:11 AM
it
it's fun, when you check in to your flight for the next trip, while still at the airport from the current trip...
 
where did you come from ircmaxell?
 
I was in Belgium this morning, in London now, fly to San Francisco at 6am tomorrow morning, and then fly to Hawaii at 5pm tomorrow evening :-D
 
haha nice
 
@ircmaxell who said that programmers can't have an exciting life? :D awesome
 
morning
 
11:25 AM
morning
every single time, i promise, i enter this room i get rebecca rolled
 
:)
 
:)
 
lot of good news, return types, php7 is fast. wow
 
11:46 AM
@ziGi seeing how actually dumb the average developer is, I would go with: no
 
/me clicks furiously
 
@PeeHaa Are you trying to keep it open or what?
 
@PeeHaa Looks like @RobAllen's getting in there while he can P
 
@NikiC ?
 
:)
 
12:07 PM
@PeeHaa "It's urgent" being short for "Ignore me", right?
 
ah lol :)
 
PeeHaa said "urgent" :)
and I'm trying to avoid fixing some JavaScript…
 
Usually only people suffering from acute IAP use that word ^^
 
True :-) sir
:P
 
IAP?
 
12:09 PM
Indian Asking Pattern
 
ah
 
we can only close it so many times, @PeeHaa
 
Close it harder ;)
 
12:18 PM
How bad would it be to allow phps mail function to also allow an array with headers instead of just a string?
Reason I am asking is because you can easily prevent header injection that way
Or is there some better way?
maili() / real_mail()
 
That is an old question,
but I want to get rid of the ban I have got on asking questions. StackOverflow recommends to improve old questions and answers.
Thanks!
 
@PeeHaa I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because he stopped shouting towards the end.
 
SO THAT'S WHERE I'VE BEEN GOING WRONG ALL THIS TIME?!
 
:P
 
12:31 PM
MY CAPSLOCK IS REMAPPED TO ESC BECAUSE VIM SO I HAD TO HOLD SHIFT THE ENTIRE TIME TO WRITE THIS :(
 
12:50 PM
@Jimbo transactions for reads aren't absolutely wrong: for example the isolation level may avoid doing manual locks, and repeated reads are probably faster to execute than without transactions
 
@JecebahnYaledimacOndestal What?
Do I look like a DBA? Why are you telling me this? :P
 
Guys,
where is the cheapest .com domains available at?
 
@HassanAlthaf Man, they're all cheap anyway, like a fiver difference
 
lol, one site is like $15/y while other is $10/y
 
So.. a fiver difference...
 
12:53 PM
lol maybe it isnt the same product even if it is the same domain
 
Quick everybody punch @Jimbo in the face. He's a DBA!
 
Namecheap is my favourite registrar :)
 
Dang, namecheap is the cheapest
lmao
Ikr, its got the cheapest WHOIS Guard
plus, its free for the first year.
 
free for a year
use SNOWDOME coupon code to get a little bit off the registration price too
 
it didnt make a diff in my
thingy
 
12:57 PM
you must be holding your thingy wrong
 
no
I am buying for 2 years
Discount only available for 1 year
 
Buy 1 year = discount
1 year down the line... buy again
 
So buy for one year, then use another coupon next year
 
@HassanAlthaf Have you been drinking?
 
they have coupons for renewals often too
 
12:58 PM
no bro lol
I will wait for February for their new coupons.
Cuz my existing domain is valid till feb 4th
 
noob question: 403 forbidden on an apache virtualhost... idea?
I added owner to www-data group
 
@FlorianMargaine New version of apache, upgrade?
 
i bet you are on IIS
 
1:02 PM
just installed apache
 
@FlorianMargaine require all granted
Using that?
 
are you using IIS?
 
@Jimbo require all granted?
 
@FlorianMargaine Yeah, if you use allow all etc, new versions of apache use that
 
@Jimbo I don't see what you're talking about...
 
lol
Thats my question bruh
like 9 months old though..
 
@JecebahnYaledimacOndestal Only one select being performed there, no point setting up a transaction even if it did help for multiple selects.
 
@FlorianMargaine You're using apache, and a vhost
 
yes
oh, googling, getting this question: askubuntu.com/questions/413887/…
I see what you mean now
 
Are you using allow,deny etc anywhere in that
 
1:07 PM
@JeremiahWinsley was just saying :P
 
Ok :)
 
doesn't seem to be it, restarting apache fails now :P
 
lol @Jimbo loved that picture in the answer
 
Oh, SQL Injection Car, lol!
 
You answered my question 9 months ago Jimbo. Haha
 
1:08 PM
@JecebahnYaledimacOndestal Ohh, okay. If you can provide sources for that that prove what you are saying, I think that's really interesting and you should add it to my post!
@HassanAlthaf Yeah the guy who responded to you initially was an asshole, he's lost all his rep now
 
Ikr, he was raiding many questions of mine continuously.
Why I should use MVC vs. Why I shouldn't use MVC.
 
That's because actual MVC isn't what you do in PHP
It's the separation of concerns
People need to learn this and repeat it
(but also understand why :-) )
 
Do you recommend the use of 'MVC' in PHP?
 
@HassanAlthaf I recommend the use of separating your concerns in PHP
 
SOLID code.
Separation of Concerns is the first principle.
 
1:14 PM
No
Single Responsibility is the first principle
In computer programming, SOLID (Single responsibility, Open-closed, Liskov substitution, Interface segregation and Dependency inversion) is a mnemonic acronym introduced by Michael Feathers for the "first five principles" named by Robert C. Martin in the early 2000s that stands for five basic principles of object-oriented programming and design. The principles, when applied together, intend to make it more likely that a programmer will create a system that is easy to maintain and extend over time. The principles of SOLID are guidelines that can be applied while working on software to remove code...
 
Then where did I see Separation of Concerms
*concerns
 
Separation of concerns is not part of SOLID. It's a methodology you apply to the code you write
 
ok that was it, thanks @Jimbo :)
 
@FlorianMargaine Thought so, it was a bugger for me too
 
yeah... weird
 
1:16 PM
Apache has pissed me off enough.
Guys, can you like buy a VPS, and run multiple domains on it? (Linux VPS).
 
@HassanAlthaf Yep
I got a dedicated server from OVH, running j7mbo.co.uk, j1mbo.co.uk, j7m.co.uk and some others on it
None of them actually do anything yet though, lol
 
lol, you must be loaded or something to buy soo many domains.
 
@HassanAlthaf What, at like £10 a year each?
 
£10x3 = £30 per year.
I am not working
I'm still a student.
I'm turnin' 15 in May this year.
Will be going to a institute in 2018, taking BSc. in Computer Science
Could anyone advice me on this:
Will be much appreciated if you can help me.
 
which scene group to pick, if YIFY is not an option ?
MiLLENiUM, EVO, KiNGDOM, Ozlem, DMT ?
 
1:28 PM
What is that?
 
@HassanAlthaf SOLID applied at the scale of objects, SoC describes principles at the scale of layers
 
What do you mean?
 
I mean many things .. not of which you seem to catch
 
Yeah, my knowledge of vocabulary is very limited.
This is the main reason I am lagging with my progress very badly.
 
I recommend audiobooks for that
 
1:31 PM
Whats that?
Oh.
I would be able to listen to them, but how would I improve vocabulary? xD
 
@HassanAlthaf "MVC": The Model is a layer. You have a View Layer. And a controller layer. These map to seperation of concerns, which is what people tend to use in PHP
 
I would call it "UI layer" instead of "view layer"
 
MUC? :P
 
views and controllers are part of UI layer
 
1:33 PM
MU
 
MUIC. :D
 
It's almost like MOOOO
 
I see.
 
Right, enough playing around, I have some code to write*
 
1:34 PM
@Jimbo martinfowler.com/eaaDev/uiArchs.html .. you really do not understand this
 
*write
 
@tereško Pinned, danke
 
apt-get moo
 
Hey guys
Can you advice me a bit with your experience?
 
what is the questions
... aside from "how to improve my english?"
 
1:35 PM
I wanna know, whether "BSc in Computer Science" is more worth it or "BSc in Software Engineering"
 
@tereško I'm surprised you haven't ignored him yet
 
Nah he's a good guy. @FlorianMargaine I may be annoying sometimes.
 
@FlorianMargaine he somehow manages to keep on the right side of the "annoyance-entertainment" line
 
@HassanAlthaf you will have to look into the specifics of each of the programmes
look at the list of subjects, see which one has less crap in it
 
1:37 PM
Oh, if I linked you with the syllabus, do you think you can give me a recommendation if you are free?
Lol, I want a good degree which would increase my potential income
 
found the pdf's .. gonna that a quick glance at them
 
Thanks buddy!
“Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning.”

― Rick Cook, The Wizardry Compiled
 
how many programming language do you think you know (at a reasonable level) ?
 
Found that one while browsing, thought it might be interesting, so shared it.
Uhh, HTML, CSS, PHP, JavaScript(I make use of jQuery to do simple web stuff), C# (Haven't been in touch since a while but I have decent knowledge I believe), Python (Basic Syntax, nothing higher than that), Java (Familiar with syntax, can do command line algorithms).
 
Good sunday afternoon.
 
1:41 PM
"BSc in Computer Science" seems better for someone who already knows a programming language or two
 
Oh, so do you recommend me for it?
@Duikboot can we exchange our spots? My Sunday is about to be over. About 5 hours more, and it's Monday for me..
 
Haha ok fine, im too tired to be awake a.t.m.
 
Engineering program is strange: it expects you (on paper) to know already C++, Java and C#
in practice it will mean that most of the time is spent on teaching students the basics
so, yes, my recommendation is to go with "Computer Science" in this case
.. but you must also understand that just having a degree will not auto-magically mean that you get a job
you will have to self-educated , heavily
 
Oh.
I know.
I do know that I should possess the ability to be able to plan and create complex algorithms and programs in order to get a good job.
 
no, that's not what you will need to get a good job
what you need is a "portfolio"
 
1:49 PM
Oh.
So, will a GitHub Portfolio be good?
 
yes, it's a start
also, as a student you should try to get a contract for making some small site for one or more local businesses
 
Does it need to be a client-based portfolio or could it be my personal projects portfolio?
Oh, I am just 14.
The main problem for me is, that the minimum legal working age for my country is 18.
So, I will not be able to get a contract.
 
well, then don't work
jeez
at the age of 14 I had not seen a computer yet
those programs you linked to are to Bachelor degree studies
that's 17-19
 
Someone is planning ahead ^^
 
waaaay to early
it makes me feel sad and old
 
1:54 PM
in HTML / CSS / WebDesign, 3 mins ago, by user3027531
Guys can you recommend me any good wordpress security plugin? My website recently got hacked on wordpress and I am really worried about it because I didn't add any uploading or signup kind of thing in the website but it got compromised anyway...
 
hey Guys and gals!
 
@RonniSkansing ^ :P (click through)
 
I am planning ahead because,
I need to select my Advanced Levels subjects according to the course I do.
 
i am stuck in a situation
 
:D
 
1:55 PM
any body can help me please.
 
Shoot your problem
 
actually i have installed lampp on debian
 
@SecondRikudo yay =] be there in a sec
 
and added path to env
 
CK, do you speak Hindi?
 
1:56 PM
yes
 
Achi baat hain
;]
 
so that i can run php from command line
but when i run form browser
 
@HassanAlthaf computer science is 2/5 math, 1/5 hardware, 2/5 programming, approximately.
 
it says /usr/bin/env: php: No such file or directory
so what might be issue ? any suggestion
 
@NikiC ooo, I love both math and programming, just not hardwre.
 
1:57 PM
watch this, @HassanAlthaf
 
Sure, bro.
 
:)))
 
What is that even about?
 
near future
 

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