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user1607528
1:00 PM
@Leigh i do enjoy coding it, but maybe i dont love it enough to wait for new version.
 
Actually, Docs.
 
On the browser you guys use the 'new experience' version?
 
user1607528
How much do you guys make, seriously per year
 
@Muhammet per year?
 
per symbol?
 
1:03 PM
@Muhammet Once a day, really. Depends what I've been eating.
 
@Muhammet does that include make distclean and other housekeeping tasks?
 
@tereško you may find this interesting (haven't read it yet) smashingmagazine.com/2014/09/17/…
 
@Muhammet about twice the answer to the ultimate question
 
@Patrick 84 dollars per year is not very much, I'd say
 
@Leigh Do people really use distclean? Why not just clean?
 
1:04 PM
@NikiC I do :P
when checkoutting branches, make clean has already failed
 
@Patrick What's that, Ningis per decade?
 
user1607528
@Patrick my english is not fluent, what do you mean
 
@Muhammet $3k
 
@FlorianMargaine touch configure.in && ./buildconf --force && ./config.nice && make clean :)
 
@FlorianMargaine Best not to check out branches then ^^
 
1:05 PM
@DaveRandom pirates per second
 
user1607528
@FlorianMargaine not much
 
@NikiC Any objections to this? Not sure why the regular expression boundaries were chosen so arbitrarily ...
 
@Muhammet I live in burkina faso, it's very much here
 
@SecondRikudo will read, tnx
 
But now there's a bug report for it.
 
1:07 PM
@FlorianMargaine per YEAR
:)
 
@webarto yeah.
 
@FlorianMargaine At least for php I think it's easiest to use git workdirs. I have a few more than 10 with different versions and configs
 
git workdirs ftw
 
@NikiC git workdirs?
i.e. different clones?
 
@Muhammet salary depends very much on your location, so gathering a few numbers is pretty useless
 
user1607528
1:08 PM
@FlorianMargaine can you explain "about twice the answer to the ultimate question" means. Thanks. how it is 84$ dollars ?
 
One clone, different workdirs
 
@Muhammet 84
@NikiC each branch has its own folder?
 
@Patrick And how much of it do you see :P
 
yes
 
@NikiC sounds interesting
 
1:08 PM
@webarto after taxes? or paid out?
most of it goes towards living cost, yay switzerland :(
 
@Patrick After taxes, yeah.
Yay :(
 
user1607528
what is the ultimate question ? what is the answer
 
I only use different clones between php-src and zend, to make sure I don't accidentally push stuff to the wrong remote ^^
 
@Patrick @Muhammet or preferably read the actual books
 
1:10 PM
@webarto I don't earn that much btw, I only work 4 days a week
 
God damn slacker Swiss
 
I'm coming to steal your jobz.
 
@DaveRandom thats what I meant... :D
@webarto sorry we don't use drupal or wordpress here :P
 
What about jQuery? I'm jQuery Certified Expert.
 
user1607528
@Patrick i wish i could read or be interested in such things, grew up as a shepherd in one of not civilizied countries:D
 
1:12 PM
@Muhammet so you can't read? wait what
 
@Patrick Yes, he has an assistant who reads him the chat log
 
@Muhammet Stop right there.
 
@Ja͢ck uh, I have no idea about browscap
 
This is not going to devolve to a discussion about cultural differences and opportunity inequality.
 
@Muhammet Just remember
> You don't get paid what you're worth, you get paid what you negotiate
 
user1607528
1:14 PM
@SecondRikudo why? what i mean, everything i read here is new for me
 
@Fabien Thank you.
 
@NikiC neither do I, but as far as regular expression patterns go, there's really no need to choose such an odd delimiter; it basically gets fed into PCRE anyway.
 
Yeah if anybody can complain about stuff like that it is people from the UK. Far away from any civilized world hidden on some island somewhere
 
:18937952 so what's stopping you from reading books now? I did not read a lot when I was young, but now I am averaging a book every 2 weeks or so
 
1:15 PM
Only $95!
 
@Ja͢ck Probably ... I just don't have the confidence that there isn't some totally convoluted reason why / won't work ^^
 
@PeeHaa I think these days, most people who are here, aren't from here.
 
I mean, there has to be some reason why somebody used that character in particular, right?
 
@NikiC Bless that character in particular.
§ - Section
Maybe because of that? ^
 
@SecondRikudo Already got it, 1st one ^^
 
user1607528
1:17 PM
@Patrick nothing, but me. honestly i am not interested
 
Reading is for winners.
 
user1607528
@PeeHaa imagine growing up in north korea
 
@NikiC I'll triple check it, but I'm pretty sure the reason is E_PHP
 
@Ja͢ck That is indeed a common reason.
 
@Muhammet Nice and quiet I would say :P
 
1:19 PM
@PeeHaa Wouldn't have to concern yourself with what to wear everyday.
 
Exactly!
 
Olive green? Or ... olive green?
 
user1607528
@PeeHaa yeah yeah, you probably wouldnt know 99% what you know right now
 
@Muhammet On the other hand. Neither would I know I knew so little
 
@Muhammet maybe there is a relation between not reading and not knowing?
 
1:21 PM
Remember the days before tabbed-browsing?
 
@NikiC One possible reason i could think of is that brows cap entries typically have / which needs escaping, so they picked a character that probably never occurs ... micro optimisation ftw and all
 
@DanLugg Oh God, no.
 
@DanLugg No, I blacked them out.
 
user1607528
@PeeHaa exactly
 
@DanLugg Yeah we need to get back those times!
 
1:22 PM
I open New Window just for pr0n mode.
 
layering windows ftw
 
@DanLugg Remember when "use Opera" was the right answer to anyone's browser problems?
 
@Ja͢ck may well be it
 
@PeeHaa Should be a chrome://settings/disable-tabbed-browsing chrome://settings/browse-like-its-1995
@derp It still is, it's just that nobody listens.
 
Well, it's not the outright wrong answer, anyway
 
1:22 PM
@derp I don't believe there every was such a time
 
I like Opera. Just, not enough to use it. Or recommend it.
 
I liked, used, and recommended it up until they decided to bake the email client into it
 
@Leigh Nope; haven't read a book on compilers yet.
 
around that time firefox beta became stable enough to use
 
@LeviMorrison Crenshaws is freely available, a walkthough of creating a compiler for a pascal-like language, pretty oldschool though
 
1:28 PM
@NikiC Er, that time was in the year 2000. What browser were you using then? ;)
 
I really need to figure out if the university course on compilers will help me at all.
 
@Danack None, presumably ^^
 
@LeviMorrison see if you can access the material for coursera.org/course/compilers - even though it's finished
 
@NikiC So far the bike shedding on 'type hints' has been tolerable.
Except I have no idea what Lester said >.<
 
@LeviMorrison That's one of my few regrets about not doing comp-sci. Compiler theory seems to be something that is better taught than picked up.
 
1:29 PM
type assertions?
 
@LeviMorrison That's a common problem...
 
@NikiC Usually I can understand what he's trying to say. This time... not so much.
 
Actually, looks like the preview contains the full course...class.coursera.org/compilers/lecture/preview
 
@Leigh Did you do that course?
 
@LeviMorrison I think he's suggesting that annotations and type hints slow down his code ... ?
 
1:32 PM
@NikiC I started it, but never finished. I started too many courses at once and burned out
 
@Leigh Did you do the crypto one?
 
I did
 
I did the first one there, but didn't follow up on the second (yet?)
 
the second one has been cancelled twice now
 
user1607528
Tool or program that you couldnt live without ?
 
1:34 PM
@Muhammet grep :D
 
@Muhammet git
 
I suspect that it's possible to survive without the use of programs
 
Good morning
 
@Muhammet a lighter ...
morning @ircmaxell
 
user1607528
Sometimes I find something on internet that I might need later. Or maybe a link, Or a quote, or some information., etc. how can i collect them any tools ?
 
1:39 PM
@Leigh Wow, that's an awesome resource.
 
@Muhammet bookmarks. evernote. etc.
 
user1607528
@derp no not just links or text, i might want to store there memes or pics i found cool.
 
@DanLugg :D
 
:-|
 
1:46 PM
@DanLugg It's not a standard until Apple launches it.
 
user1607528
what causes not being able to clearly express what you want to say, for example when i want to ask something here, i write then erase repeats couple of times even after that i cants tell what i had in my mind. maybe just me :-/
 
wut
 
definitely just you
 
@Muhammet When the thing you are going to say is stupid and/or wrong you may have this issue :-P
 
user1607528
@DaveRandom not really, could it be because english is my 2nd language, and i dont use it except here ?
 
1:56 PM
I know this was going to devolve into this crap argument.
 
@Muhammet Yeh that may also be an issue. Suggest writing it in your 1st language and throwing it into Google translate, that might give you a hint of how to write it how you want it
 
@Muhammet You ought to read more of the books :P
 
user1607528
@DaveRandom GTranslate doesnt have my language :-/
 
user895378
morning
 
Morning, Sunshine.
 
2:02 PM
@rdlowrey Needs more tan.
 
user895378
@SecondRikudo Workin on it. Sister's wedding is in Palm Springs next week :)
 
posted on September 17, 2014 by kbironneau

/* by Koen Verheyen */

 
@rdlowrey I have been meaning to ask you. You have a -beta release atm but through composer only -alpha can be grabbed.
 
user895378
@Fabien I have no idea how to fix this?
 
Oh the -beta tag is now showing. Weird. back on Friday late evening i couldn't see it.
Problemo solve-ed
 
user895378
2:09 PM
@Fabien probably because I failed to tag it until yesterday. Nothing changed in the code, I was just lazy and unmotivated in the interim :)
 
lol
 
user895378
You didn't do anything wrong.
 
@rdlowrey have to setup the packagist hook on gh, if you want it to show releases in a timely manner
 
Ah cool. Well it's flying by anyway
 
user895378
@Fabien Also, you shouldn't have to do anything special with your composer file to make it work anymore.
 
2:10 PM
ah that's cool. Badger thing sorted then
 
user895378
should just be able to include rdlowrey/artax as a dependency
 
user895378
yeah
 
The hardest thing about that previously was the amount of time I spent realising it wasn't spelt "badger"
 
@Muhammet Vim, ssh, git, grep... all very valuable to me.
 
find, awk, xargs, sed
 
2:13 PM
sudo
 
@Muhammet orly? What language is that?
 
@Leigh A good chunk of that is its own course here at BYU. "Introduction to Computer Theory" and covers automata, NFA, DFA, etc and NP complete type stuff.
And the lexing/parsing stuff is part of the discrete mathematics class.
 
user895378
@Fabien I am agree with all. I did that several times even after I knew the correct spelling.
 
@JoeWatkins matches
 
user895378
2:17 PM
@Fabien I've run into some segfaults in the php-uv extension when working with non-blocking filesystem things so artax is not going to support non-blocking streaming of filesystem resources (either in or out) until a v1.1.0. This doesn't really affect anyone except me, but just FYI.
 
user895378
I've gotta troubleshoot the extension first.
 
@ircmaxell I really enjoyed the last one.
 
@LeviMorrison Yup :D
 
@rdlowrey @DaveRandom mentioned an async mailer would be pretty awesome -_- <hint>
 
user895378
@Fabien I really have zero interest in mail protocols at this time ... might do a massively concurrent WHOIS lib soon, though, as it's really simple.
 
2:19 PM
@Fabien You write a stateful SMTP client and MIME parser :-P
 
user895378
Yeah, MIME is enough fun for anyone. Throw SMTP into the mix and you've a recipe for suicide (suicide isn't funny, but still).
 
^ this
Although I have been kicking around a MIME parser (mostly in my brain)
 
user895378
This is probably why all mail things suck so badly.
 
@rdlowrey Yeh, although HTTP is fundamentally RFC#822 as well
 
@DaveRandom but but... :(
 
user895378
2:22 PM
yeah, building the basic request message for multipart form submissions was bad enough
 
@Fabien It will happen one day, but don't hold your breathe.
 
yup
 
user895378
@LeviMorrison this is fantastic.
 
It is on 'the list'.
 
mmhmm
 
2:24 PM
Unrelated but ElasticSearch is fun.
 
@rdlowrey can you reproduce them ? or got traces to look at ?
 
@rdlowrey You must be loving composer right now :D
 
@Fabien it's more like "SQL is really shit for search"
 
heh
@tereško Well we still use SQL for a lot of things but we don't 'have' to for future things.
 
... so .. guys & gals: then you have to estimate how long page login implement6ation will take, what number do you put down?
hour ? two ?
 
2:27 PM
"Need moar info!"
 
simple login with email and password and a remember me checkbox
then kind that you have made 20+ times already
what estimate do you give for that thing ?
 
@tereško I quote everything in multiples of ½ day, even 5 min jobs, because it's never 5 min.
 
Inc templates?
 
@tereško 1-2 days
 
I'd go with 1-2 as well. Including html.
Fancy half char Dave. Nice edit.
 
2:29 PM
if they want a password reset too then add another day
 
Yeh I thought I'd disambiguate from your 1-2
 
@tereško 5 days + 2 weekend days to let it soak
 
@Patrick lol
 
and then there is email verification and someone decided to add facebook
 
Email verification add another.
+1 day for bug fixing post live.
 
2:30 PM
make it a week :D
 
Facebook integration add 3 days.
All in all... about half a year.
 
honestly I'd rather over estimate.
 
welp
Integer Semantics RFC is doomed
I'd need 6 more Yes votes for it to pass. Six.
 
you got Stas to vote for it, so that's pretty impressive on its own :-)
 
@ircmaxell Hah
 
2:33 PM
I voted 2nd, can't cast more fake votes since that bug was patched :P
 
@Fabien lol
 
although to be completely honest, I find myself agreeing with him more and more. Not always, but he seems to be making a lot more sense lately. Or my view has shifted since I have less invested. Or I finally have stopped to listen to him...
 
@AndreaFaulds seriously, who the fuck are yumin and neeke
no list contribution from neeke, yumin is a new docs person
 
Yay! Just got a keybase invite :-)
 
why do they get to vote?
@DaveRandom I could have invited you
 
2:35 PM
@Leigh No clue, probably weird people who rely on 2 << -1
 
lol
 
I don't think docs-only people should be allowed to vote on language changes
 
why is it that people from docs can vote on language features ?!?
 
@AndreaFaulds 5 to go
 
@Leigh well .. ok, there would be few exceptions for people who actually have tons of docs contributions (basically, people who single-handedly have written most of the docs, should have some say in the language discussion THEY actually might see the bigger picture)
 
@Leigh We should make some kind of invite sharing thing, no-one ever knows what invites everyone else has because it never comes up
 
@NikiC Thank you :)
 
Also, I really, really, really hate the fact that "invite" has become an noun in common usage.
 
yea, invitation sounds nicer :)
 
It gets my unnecessary improper English outrage muscles going, which then gets me annoyed that I even have those.
 
2:39 PM
I wish we could standardise the word despatch. Dispatch, despatch...
Not in my top 3 wishes but it's a wish.
 
never heard of despatch
 
Americanism? I always write it with an i but that doesn't mean a lot
 
@DaveRandom People getting mad at 'improper English' get my linguistic snobbery outrage muscles going
 
Sounds like a job for... PHP aliasing! despatch() -- This function is an alias for: dispatch().
 
@AndreaFaulds inorite, I hate myself for doing it
 
2:41 PM
@DanLugg Kinda weird we have class_alias yet not function_alias despite using function aliases everywhere in the core
 
@AndreaFaulds ...I just broke the joke cycle on the PR >.<
 
@AndreaFaulds On that note, we should have a global __call handler for undefined functions, so I can implement my levenshtein-approximation undefined-function handler.
 
@LeviMorrison C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-COMBO BREAKERRRR
@DanLugg Dear god no.
BUT
We have autoloaders, that's the same.
 
@AndreaFaulds I think you meant, "Dear god yes", because it's the "PHP way"!
:-P
 
Also, if we get @NikiC's Exceptions in the Engine revived, that'd be another way to handle it.
 
2:47 PM
currant()? Close enough. str_splot()? Why not? prog_motch()? Sure thing boss.
 
@DanLugg any(); // magically does what you were thinking when you wrote it
 
Fuck composer. wtf does:
- composer/satis dev-master requires twig/twig ~1.7 -> satisfiable by twig/twig[1.16.x-dev].
- composer/satis dev-master requires twig/twig ~1.7 -> satisfiable by twig/twig[1.16.x-dev].
- Removal request for twig/twig == 1.16.9999999.9999999-dev
- Installation request for composer/satis dev-master -> satisfiable by composer/satis[dev-master].
 
@DaveRandom Even if you spell it erny()
 
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A: Pointers in Threads don't work

Joe WatkinsAn array in PHP is not a thread safe structure, second to that, the memory model used is shared nothing; this means that while you can set a member as an array, references to it are severed by serialization. The reason you are not allowed to use references, even to types that do not require seri...

I did a thing ...
 
Your requirements could not be resolved to an installable set of packages.
 
2:48 PM
I can't hear it ... but I expect you are all applauding ...
 
@DanLugg how about array_pod()
 
@DanLugg with an alias of bert() presumably?
 
@LeviMorrison Thanks, heh. OS X does that...
 
ermagerd_jerst_werk();
 
@AndreaFaulds if you exclude docs, and non-contributors, the vote is at 7/3
 
2:49 PM
 
@Leigh This is why we need to exclude docs and non-contributors
 
You writing the mail or am I ? (mine will be blunt, you profess linguistic skills ;))
 
do_the_needful(); // bootstraps, runs, washes dishes, makes pancakes
 
@AndreaFaulds Where's the line though? @salathe falls into the docs category, but has done enough for the project as a whole that should be allowed to vote (IMO)
 
The phrase "do the needful" provokes a visceral reaction in me.
 
2:53 PM
@DaveRandom Had no idea salathe wasn't an internals person. Need to ask them why they voted againt.
 
@DaveRandom The line is whether or not they vote the way you want them to :p
 
I would not complain (much) if I lost voting privs on things I didn't author
 
@derp ...yep, I can't say I mind when docs people pass something internals voted against but I liked ;)
 
@AndreaFaulds didn't you get a vote at first for removing logos from info ?
I don't think it's as cut and dried as let's stop all docs contributors from voting ...
you shouldn't have to do much to get a vote ... some things should never be put to a vote, there should be a core decision making team that makes decisions, like there is for every other project any of us have ever worked on in the real world ... I don't think that's a lot to ask, but it's a bit much to say that anyone who doesn't commit to php-src can't vote ...
 
@Leigh NO!
 
2:58 PM
@JoeWatkins nope
 
We answer same question about variance at same time!
 
I got to vote from getting php-src commit access
 
@LeviMorrison Oh right, I thought you were saying no, don't mail the list about non-contributors swaying the state of the language
 
well whatever, the point is you hadn't done very much when you got a vote, none of us had ...
 
I think Internals could use a bit more external voting, personally.
 
2:59 PM
@JoeWatkins still, the guy helping with portugese translation shouldn't be allowed to say no to sane integer semantics
 
But you need to be picky because a lot of PHP users don't really know what they want or what is good for the language.
 

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