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3:00 PM
@LeviMorrison Well, that's far from the epic legend I imagined.
;-P I was hoping for a "Bobby Tables"-esque story.
 
@Fabien is this yours? cs.sensiolabs.org (I'm reading PHP: The rightway and you were mentioned :) )
 
Yup -_-
 
Some day I'll be website famous too, just you wait :x
 
I want to kill previous developer who was working for this company I do outsourcing now.
That guy was simply hiding bugs in WS by not reporting them.
Instead he was hardcoding data to make things work...
 
isn't that just awesome?
 
3:12 PM
@Leri don't we all? want to kill the previous coder who phucked up
but if he wasn't so shitty, you probably wouldn't be there; So: just thank him for being a shitty developer and be happy with it :P
(It's what I learnt to do. I still complain though)
 
@Prasanth No, it's not when something in WS is wrong you should report immediately. It's not like some others wrote api I just need to care my app. WS is also part of your app so you should care
 
@Leri surprise! It was @rdlowrey who made the first joke about his mom.
 
user895378
First rule of programming: the last guy was an idiot and it's a good thing I'm here to fix this mess.
13
 
user895378
@bwoebi it totally was.
 
May 6 '13 at 17:13, by rdlowrey
@Lusitanian Don't say @Lusitanian's mom. Don't say @Lusitanian's mom. Don't say @Lusitanian's mom.
 
3:15 PM
lol
 
guys anyone remember reading the book 'building scalable websites' by cal henderson(the guy from flickr) when in came out in 2006? i read it recently and it seemed very outdated but did contain some valuable insights.. i just want to hear opinions of any of you from back then
 
@MoshMage Fair enough.
 
@Leri (google was my friend ^^)
 
Oh, sometimes I almost forget that this chat is indexed.
 
user895378
That's the great thing about the internet: it never forgets.
 
3:19 PM
until the time it does forget
 
Jul 25 at 14:06, by Carrie Kendall
#neverforget
 
@Fabien 502@lamephp.com
 
user895378
#forgetImmediately
 
there should be a bot in this chat explaining the references people make.. #confused
 
Cheers @Prasanth I'll look in to it when I am home
 
user895378
3:21 PM
@DaveRandom Any idea what I should call this nb-tcp-socket-tools repo? I can't think of anything that starts with an "A" that would be appropriate.
 
Time for "B" maybe?
 
Never!
 
Assimilate. Or Die.
AssCactus?
 
@rdlowrey thinking
 
user895378
Anbsocktools
 
user895378
3:22 PM
I got nothin'
 
"Do you want to change the world? We do. We picked eCommerce as our market." via @lintzston
 
Ohh name idea time!
What's it do @rdlowrey?
 
Look what arrived right now :D
The #vrphant is here! #oculus #elephpant #php http://t.co/W5cb6PjPnG
 
Aperture? @rdlowrey
 
user895378
@Fabien gives you asynchronously connected sockets + TLS encrypted sockets securely (even in 5.4/5.5) without blocking
 
3:24 PM
Sort of very vaguely like "socket"
 
@rdlowrey Aftershave?
 
@rdlowrey ASTST: "A Suite of Tcp Socket Tools"
 
user895378
@DaveRandom this is a really good name. I might want to save it for something more important
 
@rdlowrey Native or libuv?
 
@rdlowrey Archangel?
 
user895378
3:24 PM
@Leri natively
 
lol thesaurus.com suggests "Armpit" as a synonym for socket
 
@rdlowrey Call it asini
It's latin for 'Ass'.
 
lol
 
user895378
@SecondRikudo seems way too grandiose for what this lib does
 
lol
@rdlowrey Angel? :D
 
3:25 PM
It also gives suggests Atrium which is pretty tenuously related but not a bad name for something
 
Has to be something clever to do with sockets
 
ACKsess
 
@rdlowrey dirty socks
 
user895378
@LeviMorrison E_ABSTRACT_SYNTAX_TREE
 
and Apse, which is not a word I've ever come across I don't think
 
3:26 PM
Auritulus. It's also Latin for Ass.
Powerful!
 
user895378
Fabien, I think you might have an ass fixation.
 
Peachy.
 
:D
 
user895378
How about just plain "ATS: Async Tcp Sockets"
 
Avenue? @rdlowrey
 
3:27 PM
How on earth does Auritulus and Asini mean "Ass" when the equivalent in PT is "Cu" or "Rabo" [Spanish "Culo", don't know anyohter]
 
A Dirty Dns Resolver: "ADDR"
 
@rdlowrey It'd have to be Ats, which doesn't look as good
 
oh wait
 
user895378
@Jimbo yeah it doesn't :/
 
@LeviMorrison interestingly that's basically what it is and where it came from :-P
 
user895378
3:28 PM
@LeviMorrison nice! I never put that together
 
Absconditus to conceal.
 
user895378
AsyncSocks
 
What exactly does this "ATS" do?
Like, what features over TCP does it enable?
 
user895378
4 mins ago, by rdlowrey
@Fabien gives you asynchronously connected sockets + TLS encrypted sockets securely (even in 5.4/5.5) without blocking
 
3:29 PM
Assock
 
@rdlowrey Is there where you only put one sock on at once?
 
No, E_TOO_MUCH_ASS
 
I'm not sure if I can do both at once
@Jimbo That's an abbreviation of ass haddock
 
LOL
 
I would like there to be a project called Arse before A is out btw @rdlowrey
 
user895378
3:30 PM
I would call it Stockings (socks) but that doesn't start with "A" and people can't get over that, apparently.
 
@rdlowrey How about Atlas?
 
@rdlowrey So it gives async connections for sockets... and separately TLS encrypted sockets? Does it also give async TLS encrypted sockets.
 
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@LeviMorrison all of the above
 
@rdlowrey I'll rewrite whole php to be completely async rather than using the lib with that name. :Ь
 
@rdlowrey aStockings?
 
3:31 PM
Oh I know! We'll name it ASL: Async Socket Library!
Oh wait.
 
Adimpleo : to fulfill, perform.
 
user895378
Ace: Async Connections are Easy
 
Like @Lusitanian's mom
 
user895378
?
 
lol
 
user895378
3:31 PM
@Jimbo Exactly like that.
 
@rdlowrey www.phpace.com
 
Deleted, no one saw
 
;)
 
user895378
dangit.
 
Aboard?
 
3:32 PM
Acesync
 
Turns out thesaurus.com synonyms aren't that useful for naming projects
 
user895378
waohh
 
49 secs ago, by rdlowrey
I'm going with Ace.
 
user895378
Acesync
 
user895378
that's kind of awesome
 
3:33 PM
^ That's what he said.
 
I just trademarked it
 
And if it fails... Asunk
 
user895378
@Jimbo That's ... like the best name ever.
 
Acesync (tm) @Jimbo
 
It's sorted then! Acesync it is
 
user895378
3:33 PM
I'm stealing it. You can have a credit in the repo.
 
A google search for "php acesync" turns up unimportant results.
 
There's also that Alteryx
That was a cool name
 
A search for "acesync" itself is questionable.
 
Add it to your CV @Jimbo. "Lead creative on Acesync".
 
Haha
 
3:35 PM
@Jimbo I think "Alterhys" keeps what is cool but avoids the clash with Alteryx the company, which I've encountered in real life.
 
Closes 8 tabs ranging from dictionary.com to pdfs on socket programming with 'A' searches open in them
 
@rdlowrey You're a poker guy right?
 
Linux expert, I need your help
 
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@Fabien I played all the time when I was in school but it's been years now.
 
Earlier today, I ran sudo chmod -R 755 at the worst possible location
 
3:37 PM
@SecondRikudo Only if it's urgent!
 
Well interested poker people. Texas Hold'em - 2 pairs of Aces on the draw
 
Now I cannot SSH into the server, I am getting Connection closed by 81.4.127.186 as an error
 
@SecondRikudo :X
@SecondRikudo Can you login from the vps host site at all?
 
@Fabien Yes
 
Also are you using a key?
 
3:39 PM
No
 
nm. No issues logging in from site host?
 
I am using the emergency console session that SolusVM provides.
 
/var/log/secure.log <-- SSH logs. Might be under auth.log
tail -f it and try ssh'ing in
 
@Fabien Jul 30 11:41:18 liorgeva sshd[2766]: fatal: No supported key exchange algorithms
 
Gives you something to work with :P
That was a fresh ssh attempt aye?
So you saw it create the line.
 
3:42 PM
@Fabien Only learned asinus as the animal, never as ass ^^
 
@bwoebi I just googled for latin translate :-/
 
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@Fabien dang
 
@rdlowrey Savage aye.
 
@SecondRikudo /?
 
3:43 PM
@LeviMorrison Yup
 
chmod 700 ~/.ssh
chmod 600 ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
chmod go-wrx ~
 
I did a rm -rf /* the other day. I cancelled immediately and got lucky: no damage.
 
@LeviMorrison LOL. nice.
-rf is the most dangerous lazy habit.
 
@LeviMorrison No one lives on the same edge as you.
 
The only things it tried to delete it couldn't because they were devices files and the devices were busy.
@Fabien It's not lazy. On our filesystems if you don't provide -f it will ask you about every last file. I'm regularly deleting thousands of files. I'm not going to review them.
 
3:46 PM
Yeah but it's an autonomous action to write it. I do it too.
 
@Fabien Where go-wrx = my username
?
 
~ is home dir
 
@Fabien Yeah, I'm root now, so I'm guessing /home/myuser
 
Yeah
 
What's go-wrx?
 
3:46 PM
@SecondRikudo what?
 
9 mins ago, by Second Rikudo
Earlier today, I ran sudo chmod -R 755 at the worst possible location
 
chmod <-- Some decent explanations in there.
 
chmod go-wrx /home/dor/
chmod: invalid mode: `\327'
Try `chmod --help' for more information.
 
@LeviMorrison was it sudo?
and rm -rf /* is for babies. If you want real fun, dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=512k
 
^ this but if=/dev/urandom
Make SURE you flip everything :D
 
3:51 PM
^^ That's mandel() without the prints and flush() call...
 
@Fabien any idea?
 
@ircmaxell why that Phi? (or what does it mean?)
 
@SecondRikudo tried ssh'ing in again?
 
in SSA (Static Single Assignment), before unused variable optimizations
 
Yup, still the same
 
3:51 PM
while tail -f on the secure/auth log
 
@bwoebi that's SSA representation. Whereever a branch gets a variable from multiple inbound branches, it needs to resolve which to choose, so Phi is a function that "picks" the correct one based on the inbound branch direction
 
ah okay
 
@bwoebi it's because in SSA representation, there is no such thing as mutability, all variables are assigned exactly once. So you need Phi to create a "virtual" variable, which picks the correct one based on the inbound direction
 
Yup, still the same error
 
it was a PTIA to figure out how to implement, but now that it's implemented, it's actually quite simple
 
3:53 PM
@SecondRikudo Unfortunately not. My server knowledge is pretty lacking mostly.
 
Basically, the Phi node, at compile time, I just pick the same register for all the variables (the result, and each input)
well, as long as they all are the same type... Which they are today :-)
 
compiler fun? :)
 
the interesting thing, is that entire graph will disappear by the time I'm done implementing optimizations
 
tbh I am a little unsure of the security implications of a chmod -R 755 / too. Is it recoverable?
 
@AlulaErrorpone /dev/urandom is limited to about 12mbps. Whereas /dev/zero can fill the HDD as fast as the interface allows (100's of mbps)
 
user895378
3:56 PM
So I should be using /dev/zero to wipe my disk drives in paranoid mode, then?
 
@ircmaxell yeah, but it's random .. which means there's a slim chance it could be useful :D
 
@ircmaxell what's that?
 
@rdlowrey I do at least 3 passes. A /dev/zero pass, then a /dev/urandom pass, then a /dev/zero pass again
 
user895378
@ircmaxell I will adopt this.
 
@ircmaxell most hdds have 7 layers though, don't they?
 
3:58 PM
Then run it through a very strong magnet.
 
user895378
hehe
 
shred is pretty good anyway.
linux: small tools doing their thing very well.
 
huh? layers?
 
shred is nice, but what you want is burninate.
 
Hmm that water tasted a little furry.
 
3:59 PM
@FlorianMargaine it's a Control Flow Graph, in SSA (Static Single Assignment) representation
 
@ircmaxell It was a typo; I missed a keystroke and then tabbed, expecting tab completion. In this case it was meant to be /root/*
I was already root :D
(Not sudo)
 
@LeviMorrison oO
 
Fortunately no harm was done. Very lucky.
 

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