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1:00 PM
@AlmaDo Well, you can do whatever sh*t you want in Internet. What kind of restrictions are there now?
 
@Leri very bad situation, actually. Hard to describe what they've done in few words. But I think we'll end like China Great Firewall in 1-2 years
 
uggggh morning
 
morning @PeeHaa
 
@PeeHaa That's quite the late morning
Sup?
 
@Leri so that's why I'm in active search for new job for now (while it's not too late - because I see that they want to close borders for IT people as well)
 
1:02 PM
@SecondRikudo yeap. I think I have been wasted yesterday
 
@AlmaDo The west needs new Margaret Thatcher :(
Saint Margaret.
 
@AlulaErrorpone ?
 
@AlmaDo Someone who's not afraid to deal with Putin's bs.
 
@AlulaErrorpone oh that.. I don't see how that will help people here
 
Helped before. *shrugs*
 
1:04 PM
@AlmaDo Well, if you won't be able to find job in EU, you can find one in post-USSR, I think. Consider that as an option too. It might not look fancy, but still better than USSR.
 
and - no. It's not the case "you should go and protest". It will work in Europe (in civilized world), but not here. Here you're in the risk of getting real bullet from police forces
 
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@AlulaErrorpone FWIW, Putin isn't the only leader cracking down on internet freedom ... see ... well pretty much every western "democracy."
 
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#DRIP
 
@AlmaDo Not talking about protests, I'm talking about political pressure that actually works.
 
yep, they works
 
1:05 PM
@rdlowrey That's why I want to move to central America. Developing latin countries have the freest laws now.
(and the lowest taxes)
 
^ :D
 
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The best was when John Kerry was saying (in regards to Ukraine) that "you can't just invade whomever you want." And as an American I was like LOL ORLY?
 
lol John Kerry
How does he have any credibility?
 
I'm not under illusion that "in the west, life is just great". But with such terrible situation around laws for IT it has sense at least to search for a place where you can at least count on some protection & stability
 
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How does any politician? A full head of hair and Kennedy money is instant credibility.
 
1:09 PM
@AlmaDo What position do you apply? PHP dev?
 
yep
no success either..
I.e.: no relevant positions. It seems PHP isn't so popular :P
but, to be honest, I try to avoid "codeigniter" or "drupal" tags
 
Well, it's.. The thing is that it does not do all the things.
 
well, the thing is, that luckily for me, I know not only PHP .. (i.e. also some things around it's use-cases: SQL, DBMS like MySQL, fluent with *nix and it's administration etc)
 
@AlmaDo Here in amsterdam there's a lot of php jobs. But sometimes I'm a bit skeptical. I mean some of the positions expect that you have experience with 3 or more frameworks. Symphony 2 makes it interesting but then they throw some laravel/CI in...
 
1:13 PM
@HamZa I often see "PHP dev" position with requirement "Expert knowledge of CSS". Those I skip too. Well, PHP dev may know CSS (in an intermediate level), but if they require from developer to create their HTML + design.. then their understanding of what dev should do is wrong (for me) - so I don't want to apply such position
 
@HamZa Yeah, we want you to know ALL the frameworks ;p
 
@HamZa btw, could you recommend some direct web-resource (in English)? I tried monster, but for Netherlands they have no English version
 
@AlmaDo Yeah, good. Well, best of luck. Fortunately, there's not such awful situation in Georgia. Main reason I want to leave is that I am bored/not having enough fun. Oh, and salary, but salary won't be much problem with this new job.
 
I also saw many good feedback articles about Netherlands
 
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If a job requires familiarity with one framework I'm out :)
 
1:15 PM
I may say "I'm familiar with Zend", but that's all
 
@Jack Screw that. Also screw those positions that expect you to be at "master" level in everything (OOP, all frameworks, php, css, html, javascript, jquery, git and some other things)
@AlmaDo I use google most of the times
 
I know nothing of that, I'm not sure why anyone is paying me.
 
@Leri well, for me it earlier was a way to find "just interesting" job. But now I think it's better to give more priority to relocation itself
 
@webarto You know much about DNS? :)
 
The thing is they expect you to be a junior/medior. I'm wondering what they are expecting.
 
1:17 PM
@webarto I'm not sure why they pay me now too. Well, I know few things, but I'm always doing nothing
 
@AlmaDo I'm great at CSS. Just not so great at making nicely looking webpages.
 
stackoverflow.com/questions/8789423/trigger-onchange-event <- this has to be the smartest way of making an question, LOOK AT DAT GIF!
 
@bwoebi Define "great"? Can you make a sticky footer from the tip of your head?
 
@AlmaDo Try London.
 
@bwoebi backend dev shouldn't be responsible for that. That's my point. He may know something so create basic skel or prototype (to maintain architecture goals) - but to demand from such dev to create design .. is..
 
1:18 PM
@HamZa yes
 
@AlmaDo London has a LOT of PHP jobs.
 
@HamZa I CAN I CAN: I have a file saved somewhere that says "usethisforstickyfooter.css" xD
 
@AlmaDo tried jobsearch.monster.com ?
 
@AlmaDo The reality for some businesses who can't afford to have a staff member for every different aspect of web development?
 
@AlulaErrorpone the only thing is that I'm doubt about London (and UK). Saw many, many sad feedbacks about it
 
1:19 PM
(I agree with you I'm just playing devil's advocate)
 
@AlmaDo I like London. I came back. :P
 
@HamZa position: absolute; bottom 0; :P
 
@HamZa But I don't like sticky footers. (if they're real footers, if it's for e.g. this chat, no problem)
 
That's how I do css :D
 
@PeeHaa hahaha that's fixed bro
 
1:20 PM
@AlulaErrorpone because you're a citizen?
 
@HamZa Does it stick or not?
:P
 
@AlmaDo Yeah, it's home to me. I mean there's always stuff to do
 
@PeeHaa lol
 
@AlmaDo I see. Maybe little bit personal question but how about family?
 
@PeeHaa 1 - 0 lol
 
1:20 PM
:D
 
@AlulaErrorpone that's why. It's unwelcome for foreign people (that's I've read in many articles)
 
Anyways, I find myself always fiddling around when I need to make something fancy with css
 
Guys, since you're speaking of London and PHP: How much of a awesome coder would I need to be to be able to match the devs at London?
 
There are bad devs all around the world, London shouldn't be an exception…
 
@AlmaDo Hmm, I don't think thats true of London, but definitely true of a lot of the UK.
 
1:22 PM
(It's a dream-job, for me, to some day dev at London - hence the curiosity)
 
@AlmaDo London is a very multicultural society.
 
Good morning
 
@MoshMage It seems you don't really need to be awesome such as some people here :)
 
@MoshMage Over 9000
 
@Leri well, I don't know what to say. I'm a geek (may be). I have no family, no friends here. I have only one fellow in this country: my computer. Not sure if it's good in general, but for relocation - it's good
 
1:22 PM
@MoshMage Like anywhere else London has devs from junior to incredibly skilled seniors/leads.
 
London, pffft...
 
@AlulaErrorpone I mean: laws. It'll be very hard to do my state more solid (I always be without any rights)
 
@webarto awesome shot
 
@HamZa nice thing. I was trying localized web-sites for monster
 
@webarto I'm from Portugal, I'm not choosing London the UK for its weather; I've chosen London for some reason unknown to me, It might be the Brits, it might be the Language, but certainly not weather :P
 
1:24 PM
@AlmaDo You should have pretty good rights in the UK, at least as I understand.
 
Joe can tell you that :D
 
@ircmaxell Thanks, I'm on "Bol, Brač, Croatia", left the dSLR in other car and want to shoot myself for it :)
 
:-)
 
English sucks today :P
 
btw, where is he? (I mean JoeWatkins)
 
1:25 PM
@webarto You know much about DNS coming from hosting?
@AlmaDo If all is well he's picking up his keys today!
 
oh. good.
 
@Fabien Ah, sorry for not replying, not much, what's up? Probably @Dave is the meister there.
 
who said what about who now?
 
@AlmaDo Some websites I tend to see:
http://www.itjobboard.nl
http://www.monsterboard.nl
http://php-professionals.nl/php-vacatures/
http://www.studentenwerk.nl/vacatures/
http://www.youngcapital.nl/vacatures/
Probably some others but can't find them atm...
If you need some translation help just ping me
 
I abuse dave's brain enough with my problems :p
 
1:26 PM
What's up?
 
No worries, Dave likes it.
 
@Fabien I am failry certain @DaveRandom got his kid by making DNS queries
 
LOL
 
@HamZa thanks, I'll try (: If I'll relocate, that would be nice to meet you :p
 
I have a website whose DNS was changed in January. Outside our office we get the correct domain resolution. Inside 90% of our macs and some devices are going to the old IP.
Even machines that have never visited the site before.
 
1:27 PM
Internal dns
 
@AlmaDo ok. Good luck.
 
@HamZa Fairly low salaries I think :(
 
@PeeHaa That's how I named him. He's called Charlie CNAME 8.42.12.192 Wright
 
@DaveRandom :D
I can dig that :P
 
@webarto Dude if I can find a dev job for 10euro per hour that fits my school schedule I would be really happy :)
 
1:28 PM
Internal DNS? Would that be the router?
In which case how does it change from device?
 
@HamZa no English sites there :(
 
@bwoebi Applying a 'fix' for Countable this close to release is a bad idea.
 
@Fabien Maybe some people use a different DNS server?
 
@PeeHaa this
 
How does that work? Why wouldn't we all use the same DNS server?
 
1:29 PM
Or have hosts file entries for it
 
And how can we resolve it? I mean it's been a few months.
 
@LeviMorrison bad idea? why?
 
@AlmaDo Sometimes they post them in english instead of dutch...
 
:)
 
@Fabien You are all OSX, right?
 
1:30 PM
Nah. My machine has never visited the site before and I get the old one.
@DaveRandom Yeah but one persons Samsung tablet got the old site too
 
@AlmaDo Again, maybe it's easier to use google. Have you tried SO jobs thing?
 
@Fabien what IP does it resolve to for you?
 
My mobile on the network gets new site.
 
@HamZa yeah, I have Careers profile
 
@Fabien Some people seem to like giving google even moar info and use 8.8.8.8
 
1:31 PM
@HamZa Pardon me, salaries are good but without taxes, heh. I have the same stance related to remote working. Also I finished college while working full-time remotely.
 
Sent to you on g+ @DaveRandom
@PeeHaa 8.8.8.8?
 
@bwoebi I disagree with the parameter in the first place, and don't consider it a bug.
 
@Fabien public dns (google)
 
@Fabien cat /etc/resolv.conf
and/or cat /etc/hosts
 
Also I tend to use that when my provider DNS goes down
 
1:32 PM
@Fabien And 8.8.4.4
 
@HamZa I tend to switch providers when that ever happens to me :P
 
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@DaveRandom I've hacked it into working in userland, but it will only work if you use the TcpConnector to connect your socket (or manually set two context options before connecting to the tcp:// address) prior to using the CryptoBroker.
 
@webarto Security related positions are really good paid. I saw a position at a bank for +5000euro per month with some extra bonus...
 
@PeeHaa Nothing abnormal in those. Nothing I haven't added myself.
 
@rdlowrey Personally I think that's an acceptable stipulation
 
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1:34 PM
PHP's TLS functionality pre-5.6 makes me want to swear.
 
Anyway, it's not a big deal.
 
@HamZa Hear ya, but that's not your "average" job, also I hear banks are slavery for devs.. I'm not saying anything against NL, like it very much, unfortunately I couldn't survive there being outsider with that amount :)
 
@webarto You mean 3K isn't enough for living with all the costs?
ok, gotta go. See you guys later :)
 
@HamZa 3K after taxes is mighty fine I think :)
Bye!
 
Yay, finally convinced that parsing soap xml would waste more time than updating wsdl.
 
1:41 PM
...
F SOAP
 
Home. Thanks #php :-D http://t.co/PhC2xO7KaW
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hmm :-)
 
Awesome
 
Yay!
 
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woooooooooooooot
 
helping a friend who dont have chat privilegies
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1:44 PM
CONGRATULATIONS @JOEWATKINS! May you create great memories (and code) in your new home!
 
[I'm missing the possibility to pin and unpin to star it myself ^^]
 
Someone just got message 18000000 (because @bwoebi got 18000012)
 
in JavaScript :: Happy Birthday Zirak, 3 mins ago, by Cereal
Troubleshooting in the js room?
 
^^
in JavaScript :: Happy Birthday Zirak, 33 secs ago, by Dan Lugg
*ahem*, in the spirit of 4chan (which I've likened this room to in the past) 18000000 GET!!!!!
 
Internal DNS guys thanks @all @DaveRandom
@PeeHaa Busy? :D
 
1:58 PM
About to go out for a drink
 
such a busy guy
 
@PeeHaa Drink pffrt. When you're free and sober let me know (small window of opportunity) :P
 
:P will do
 
You have a REST api. Someone sends through a valid request, but one of the id's they provide is invalid (they don't have access to the id they have provided in their json, for example). Would a HTTP 422 be appropriate?
> The 422 (Unprocessable Entity) status code means the server understands the content type of the request entity (hence a 415(Unsupported Media Type) status code is inappropriate), and the syntax of the request entity is correct (thus a 400 (Bad Request) status code is inappropriate) but was unable to process the contained instructions.
> For example, this error condition may occur if an XML request body contains well-formed (i.e., syntactically correct), but semantically erroneous, XML instructions.
 
I'll respond with 418
 
2:05 PM
@Jimbo 404?
 
You're a teapot
@ircmaxell But the endpoint exists, so it's not a 404 right
They hit the right url, with 99% correct data in the POST
 
my only thought would be don't overthink it
 
@Jimbo or better with 402 for them so I implement what they want
 
If I return a 404, they might think "oh, this url doesn't exist then". 422 makes sense I think, just wondering if anyone else had done that
 
"We" are using 422 for everything that breaks for some reason.
 
2:08 PM
@AlmaDo I like rfc 7168.
 
Where's the guy I used to discuss a Tea RFC with? Mr. Alien I believe
 
@bwoebi I think I shouldn't troll @Jimbo anymore, otherwise he may curse me (:
I think 422 is ok. Not is that it's "mandatory" - but applicable here
 
@AlmaDo hehe
 
What does 422 even mean?
 
422 = "your http request is well-formed in formal sense, but malformed in terms of application semantics"
like that
 
2:11 PM
@bwoebi This should be pinned
@ircmaxell please do the needful ^
@AlmaDo So, syntactically it was fine, but it made no sense?
 
So, you've hit the right endpoint and provided the right keys, but something you have in there doesn't work. Like, your json input data has an illegal key in or something
?
 
@SecondRikudo oh, it has 10 stars and increasing. That won't disappear so fast.
 
@SecondRikudo not "no sense". Better "invalid in terms of current application business-logic"
I dislike it by one reason: it "knows too much"
 
You guys see the digital short test footage for Deadpool?
Man I want that film to happen so much.
 
2:27 PM
@Fabien That's not HD you liar.
 
I'm not the liar here :P
 
LIES!
 
So, as an analogy to 422, if I had f(array $data) where $data was expected to be ['a' => (int), 'b' => (string)], and I got instead ['c' => (string), 'd' => (int)]. I got an array, but it wasn't at all the structure expected.
^^ Sound reasonable?
 
@DanLugg do you remember that famous last words: "You know too much" ?
 
@AlmaDo I'm just bridging the relation (for my own sake)
 
2:30 PM
@DanLugg right. And I'm about 422. It "knows too much"
 
Oh, I see. Well, what's the alternative? 401 doesn't sound entirely correct.
 
404
 
I would relate a 401 with an InvalidTypeException (I wanted an array, I got an int), I'd relate a 422 with an InvalidFormatException (I wanted a string and got one, but I can't do what is expected with it)
 
depends of the case, however
 
Yea, I hear ya.
 
2:32 PM
@ircmaxell have you made a decision yet on whether crypt should be enabled or the docs for password_* should be changed?
 
404 would be a BadMethodCallException ;-)
 
:p
 
@DanLugg Wait, you jest? That would be a 400
 
@ircmaxell that video i really awesome
 
@Jack I want to try to remove the dependency for crypt, and I think I can, I just haven't had time to do it
 
2:34 PM
@Jimbo Not necessarily, accessing an inaccessible resource, which is in fact an action, which is implemented as an instance method, could result in the dispatcher throwing a BadMethodCallException (or MissingMethod, or whatever) which is then caught and filters through to a resulting 404.
 
@ircmaxell if that's possible, i reckon that would be quite noice too :)
 
@DanLugg Would the bad method call be as a result of the user's input, or something on the server?
 
@Jimbo /resourceEntity/nonExistentResourceAction/resourceId, the dispatcher locates the resourceEntity, but can't dispatch to nonExistentResourceAction and throws a BMCE.
 
@DanLugg That makes sense because it's a URL that doesn't go anywhere though - so it's a 404
 
4 mins ago, by Dan Lugg
404 would be a BadMethodCallException ;-)
 
2:36 PM
(Invalid slugs from the framework /{slug}/ still mean a 404 as the link is then a broken one)
BUT, I'm talking about POST specifically :-)
So it's not an invalid url, and the endpoint does exist
 
Oh, well, I just jumped in here waiting for an install to complete ;-)
 
Sat on your cactus again?
 
glad someone was caught in my trap (:
 
2:43 PM
11 messages moved to Trash can
 
owned trolled :D
 
Can my messages be put in the Bin instead of Trash?
 
Trash is fine.
 
@Fabien Agreed. British ftw
 
why do we have /bin, but not /dev/null ?
what's about /sbin ?
 
^ crap. it's locked
 
Can we also rename Bin/Trash to Lusitanian's Mother
 
@Fabien Where is Lusitanian anyway? Haven't seen him in ages
 
Anyone try creating mysql tables in phpstorm and always get language errors
?
 
@SecondRikudo No idea. He doesn't pop in often. We lost a lot of good men/women.
 
2:50 PM
I've seen his mom
 
@Jimbo I tried to create MySQL tables with PhpStorm and I never had problems
Make sure your MySQL version is good?
 
Damn you, stupid squares!
 
@SecondRikudo Latest version of mysql, and I always get a java lang exception even though I'm not touching the auto-generated sql, just using the dropdowns and input boxes
 
@Jimbo Connection is okay? Maybe you need to download the jdbc?
 
@SecondRikudo Connection's fine, I can query and see all the other tables
I think it's something to do with not adding like int(20) at the end, there's no numbers
 
2:52 PM
@Jimbo Open a ticket? I've no idea what could be wrong
 
dat level 12 on gameaboutsquares is making me twitch
 
slams face into desk
That feeling when google and stackoverflow don't have the answer you're looking for.
 
@Mastrianni try yahoo =D
 
What is the origin of jokes about Lusitanian's mom?
 
2:57 PM
lol
 
@Leri good question.
 
@Leri Someone made a reference to his mother. Everyone else repeated it over time. The end.
 

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