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1:00 PM
@Jimbo you wouldn't believe it if I told you that it actually made the app much better in a single refactoring shot ;-)
With a static singleton service locator, my app now feels almost as good as Laravel
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lol
 
@Ocramius Did you have a StaticSingletonServiceLocatorFactoryBuilderProviderFactory
 
> Once it is in, we will be doomed
 
Holy crap O_o
 
Don't understate the situation or anything there, Pierre
 
1:04 PM
Always a sucker for the theatrics ;-)
 
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Q: What's the issue in accessing associative array element in smarty in following scenario?

user2839497I've following array title $value which I've assigned to smarty template. Array ( [id] => 175 [start_date] => 2014-07-01 [end_date] => 2014-07-31 [count] => 3 [rebate_type_id] => 2 [created_at] => 1406031299 ...

 
@Fred-ii- If .ca email addresses didn't validate any more, surely Rasmus would be the first to write a bug report ;-) — Jack 12 secs ago
 
@DaveRandom DOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMEEEEDDDDDD
 
@user2839497 Please wait another 18 minutes.
 
@salathe E_NOT_ENOUGH_DOOM
 
1:07 PM
@Jack:ok
 
@salathe Usually I would demand that a Scottish person said that, but since you are an honorary Scot I will allow it.
 
weird, ereg seems to still be around in phpng ... pui!
 
Ah I miss Dad's Army
 
@Jack suspicious link. Rejected.
 
1:10 PM
@DaveRandom :)
 
@AlmaDo it's not monty python, i swear.
 
@Jack Did you see the final show?
 
@Jack what does that mean "Futurama" ?
title?
 
@AlmaDo You know, sometimes I wonder if you're an alien or just trolling ;-)
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okay, I'll google that :\
 
1:12 PM
@DaveRandom I have not .. it apparently was hilarious though
@AlmaDo Yes, you should totally drop Bleach and watch all seasons of Futurama ... naoowww
 
@AlmaDo Ummm... wut??
 
@Jack I can't. I progress 250+ episodes.. now only 100 left. I wasted too much time not to see what is in the end
I thought "Futurama" was some comic name to some electronic company (since there are robots on the video). But.. it's cartoon name
 
@AlmaDo That is a sizable rock you seem to have been living under
 
@DaveRandom Hey, does FILTER_VALIDATE_EMAIL validate an email against any particular rfc?
 
1:18 PM
Someone claimed that @foo.c should be invalid.
 
My first love affair...
 
@Jack It uses a certain regex AFAIK
 
@Jack I'm pretty sure the empty string is not a valid local part
 
I'm arguing with Fred over here
 
1:21 PM
Would have to double check, but it doesn't make a bunch of sense, certainly
 
He seems to think that FILTER_VALIDATE_EMAIL leaves the door open to spammers ... that just went over my head ...
 
@Jack o.O that's... special
 
@tereško Good tune; was listening to yesterday I think :-)
I just trawl BandCamp for black-metal/post-rock fusion now.
 
@Jack : 18 minutes are over
 
1:24 PM
@Jack well, the url is valid according to the rfc. If he wants something "valid" according to his believes, then it's his problem
 
@Jack : Can you please help me in solving my issue?
 
> Reloading httpd: not reloading due to configuration syntax error
Isn't helpful :P
 
@Fabien you seem to always have such server problemz :P
 
@HamZa I deal with a lot of different and wanky servers these days.
I just wish it'd tell me where something was wrong. Not that something is wrong.
I mean the sites are up and running. So unsure how or why it's broke
 
@Fabien I guess it's checking the new config before stopping the existing servers.
Which is quite nice of it.
 
1:30 PM
yeah lol
 
@DaveRandom Y U NO MULTILINE?
 
I'm not sure what you're using to restart it, but there should be error output with either verbose, or running the config test command.
 
@Jack That discussion is pointless :)
 
I know ... it usually is with that guy.
 
haha
 
1:33 PM
eh.. answering long isn't a good idea :D
 
@Danack reloding from the init script
I tried a config test too
apachectl configtest
Syntax OK
 
@DanLugg C89, I imagine
 
@DaveRandom Yea, I saw that... but... y'know.
 
OK so... The point of FILTER_VALIDATE_EMAIL (incidentally, not the subject of this question...) is to validate that an email address is syntactically valid. It doesn't validate the domain name in any way, except to verify that it's a syntactically valid FQ DN. This places no restrictions on the TLD outside those laid down in RFC1034/1035 (where c would be perfectly valid). The remaining rules are derived from RFC5321. The more important point, though, is that validating an email by any means other than sending a mail to it is a pointless exercise. Syntax is just an idiot check. — DaveRandom 2 mins ago
 
Saw that :)
Sometimes he's just too convinced of himself that others must necessarily be wrong .. or sth
 
1:39 PM
That fred guy is a dick vagina
 
Or some other reproductive organ.
 
lol
 
@Jimbo What a massive cloaca.
 
@Jimbo OT, but the corresponding female term you were looking for is 'cunt' ...
 
Well @Ocramius I got Vagrant running CentOS with docker on it so far.
 
1:46 PM
@Jimbo btw do you really have a cactus?
 
@HamZa No @DanLugg has a cactus
 
hehe ok
 
user895378
@bwoebi that's just autogenerated composer nonsense. The vendor/ directory is listed in the .gitignore and is no longer part of the repo.
 
Actually, I don't. I had a cactus, but I over-watered it and it fell over and burst like a mushy balloon.
 
@rdlowrey I just raged about it when I got some fatals in cryptic class names.
 
user895378
1:48 PM
@bwoebi yeah, makes debugging impossible.
 
@rdlowrey btw. you've already seen your first PR on your fresh refactor?^^
 
user895378
@DaveRandom It's not anything you did wrong. I just have very minor changes in the alert branch in master that aren't part of a tagged release yet. So when I used code depending on those changes in some of the artax example files there were errors. And when I updated the alert version in the artax composer.json to use the latest alert master composer borked because Addr's composer specifies the exact 0.8.1 version of alert
 
small, but it broke my code^^
 
1:49 PM
@DanLugg So your cactus went all mushy and fell out. Nice!
 
user895378
@bwoebi I haven't seen it yet. Just sitting down.
 
@Jimbo Seriously though, it fell over and leaked cactus goo all over my desk.
 
Over watering maybe? They're not really supposed to just fall over
 
@Jimbo Oh, I definitely over-watered it, contrary to my history with plants which turn into dust.
 
1:51 PM
Juice went everywhere? Sounds like @Lusitanian's mom
 
user895378
@DaveRandom All that is conjecture on my part because I have no idea how to use composer
 
@rdlowrey Ah shit, if you don't know, then all my libs are going to fail, because I was copying your composer.json
:D
 
@rdlowrey Nobody has any idea how to use Compower.
 
@Jimbo was it you who was hunting oop questions?
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Q: PHP OOP problems in an MVC setup

SubieI'm creating a really simple PHP MVC framework to get a better knowledge for OOP and I've run into a few problems. First I'll show how everything is setup... Dispatcher.php: function __autoload($class) { if(file_exists(CORE.$class.'.class.php')) { require_once(CORE.$class.'.class.ph...

 
user895378
I'm tempted to say that the composer documentation is suboptimal because I find it very difficult to find answers to my questions. And I'm generally capable of googling and problem solving most things.
 
1:52 PM
@MoshMage class model extends db -- classy.
 
user895378
@BenjaminGruenbaum nice!
 
The amount of effort I'd have to put into fixing that... I might have to wait until Friday morning comes around to muster the enthusiasm to fix that
 
that's not mine BUT! I also do it like that; what's the problem? ;o (honest abe is asking a honest question)
 
user895378
@BenjaminGruenbaum Also, your brother's name is URI. How fantastic!
 
@rdlowrey ty
 
1:53 PM
@rdlowrey yeah - it's unreadable. you may wish to review my slides....
But in particular:
to slip in an alternative version, do a require on:
"blah/blah": "dev-bugfix as 0.8.1"
or
"blah/blah": "dev-master#c7348ef2c84152eae4261236f371d0bc1a28ef7c as 0.8.1"
 
Ahoy hoy
 
user895378
@Danack yeah, I didn't see anything remotely like that documented anywhere
 
I think it may actually have been deleted recently - the page it was on doesn't appear to have it any more.
 
user895378
@ircmaxell hola, amigo
 
Yar.
 
1:55 PM
@rdlowrey Yes, and it also has a composer.lock in there now, which I'm still not convinced about /cc @Danack (I'm aware that it wouldn't resolve this issue)
 
user895378
@DaveRandom just add composer.lock to your .gitignore
 
user895378
(but not until after you've run git rm composer.lock)
 
Well I know that :-P but @Danack is in the camp that it should be there and of the 3 of us, he is the one that knows the most about composer
 
user895378
1:57 PM
@Danack Also, the moment I decided to use composer I did what you suggested and added vendor/ to .gitignore. It's just too easy :)
 
$a = 1;if (isset($a) === 1) echo 'ye'; <- is this possible? (i know this doesnt work, but is there such a way that it does?)
@ircmaxell lol. My manager sent me that pic last week xD
 
@ircmaxell Why not have an E_NOTICE? Make sense to me
 
@MoshMage That does what exactly? That's syntactically valid but makes no sense...
 
@rdlowrey The composer lock file should be added. It allows Travis tests to run against the exact versions you're developing against. As well as allowing other people who are developing the project to be running with the exact same version of libraries.
 
@MoshMage isset($a) // returns boolean. You don't need to check the === 1
 
1:58 PM
Or do you mean if (isset($a) && $a === 1)
 
Composer update should NOT be run by anything automated.
 
@ircmaxell That... is so true :o
 
user895378
@Danack okay.
 
@DaveRandom I meant to do that, was only trying to avoid the && $a part
 
@ircmaxell rofl that's hilarious but I guess it's true
 
1:59 PM
@Danack Yeh but for things that follow semver that may be sub-optimal (free, zero-effort bugfixes)
@MoshMage Well then no, you can't without @ (and don't do that)
 
user895378
@DaveRandom and @DaveRandom I've ignored SSL/TLS in the artax dev branch so far and you'll get an exception if you try to request (or are redirected to) https:// with the code in that branch at this point. I hope to have finished restoring TLS support (taking advantage of new 5.6 features when available) today. Otherwise just look at examples/ and the CHANGELOG/TODO files to see notes about what's changed.
 
Is it just me, or do people who title themselves as "Internet Start-Up Tech Firm Analyst Media Bukkake HTML5 Funnel Cake Host" just come off as idiots?
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@DanLugg lol @ Bukkake
 
^^ :-P
 
@DaveRandom i was just being lazy ;P
 
2:02 PM
Seriously though; these people never seem to know what they're talking about, and I don't understand why anyone listens.
 
user895378
@BenjaminGruenbaum are you on the twitter?
 
It's just broad speculation, smoke-and-mirror trend-talking.
 
@DaveRandom No....any project that uses a library will be doing it's own composer update, and ignores the lock file of any library, so adding it will make no difference to them. So the only thing that is affected is the actual library itself and running the unit tests against it. And the unit tests run on a CI machine should always be run against the same version that you are developing against otherwise they're not reliable.
 
@Danack no. it's not automated. it's run upon git push. (post-update hook)
 
And doing composer update once every 3 months is not much work.
 
2:03 PM
So, twitter gives you more ability on mobile than on web, interesting
 
user895378
@ircmaxell s/interesting/annoying/
 
yeah
 
user895378
Lack of in-browser HTTP functionality vs. native apps drives me bonkers
 
@bwoebi Wat?
 
@rdlowrey is Artax like a curl on steroids?
 
user895378
2:04 PM
@MoshMage yes.
 
Particular what project are you talking about?
 
user895378
But don't try to use it yet. New version is almost finished.
 
@rdlowrey Proxy support?
 
user895378
@SecondRikudo Very soon. This week.
 
2:05 PM
@Danack something I'm working on. (not public)
 
okok, I might update one code of mine to use artax instead - I'm using a combination of curl and xml/html parser that HURTS just looking at it :x
 
user895378
@MoshMage Hurts to read about, too ;)
 
Ok then.
 
ahahaha :)
 
user895378
@MoshMage Also, if you're dealing with XML/HTML you should really consider using @ThW's FluentDOM lib
 
user895378
2:06 PM
It'll change your life.
 
@Danack expecting the dev to run composer update locally and having everything on the newest point when pushing.
 
@rdlowrey no?
Why?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum he wanted to MULTI-ping you^^
 
user895378
@BenjaminGruenbaum Oh, I was just going to do a hey cool check this tipranks thing out tweet. Was going to @tag you but realized I couldn't find you on there.
 
@rdlowrey by the lords! That will indeed help me. SimpleDOM (or w/e the classes name is) isn't that simple and not enough power to properly parse google results [lol. I know, it's cheap and cheeky but there was no other data with what I wanted]
 
user895378
2:08 PM
@MoshMage F SimpleXML.
 
user895378
For that matter, F anything with the audacity to use "simple" in its name.
 
user895378
Also, putting unprovable opinion statements in a name is idiotic and reeks of marketing without substance.
 
^ I can feel the contempt you feel about 'simple' anything
 
@rdlowrey That message was targeted at both sides of my split personality? :-P
Also: no worries
 
user895378
@DaveRandom lol sorry, was trying to ping you + @Danack and not your alter-ego + @Danack
 
user895378
2:11 PM
ping fail
 
user895378
Or even your alter-ego + you.
 
user895378
I'm a hot chat mess.
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instastar
 
That moment when you enter chat room and that. ^^
 
oh! turns out I'm using Simple Dom Parser [I know 'cos there's a new question with that and it just triggered my bells] it sucks eitherway xD
 
2:13 PM
@Danack OK, I see where you are coming from, will have to let me brain digest it
 
@MoshMage Use regex then. :Ь
 
user895378
@Danack so I should remove composer.lock from my .gitignore and push it to remote repos, yea?
 
Not really. ^
 
@bwoebi That's probably not optimal. i) It means that any unit tests run by the dev may not have been run against the libraries installed. ii) It means that you would probably have to restrict the specification of what libraries to use to the bugfix version.
Otherwise you would be changing minor versions automatically, which is not a fantastic idea. Really needs a human to get involved to check the changes.
@rdlowrey Yes please. It makes no difference for people using your library, but makes developing the library be a lot saner.
 
@rdlowrey oh, thanks. I don't have twitter it's a time sucker
 
2:15 PM
@Leri I refuse to commit suicide ^^
 
user895378
@BenjaminGruenbaum It is a time sucker.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I have twitter but I'm not using it, I don't see the point.
 
Useful link?
 
@Danack no. It's assumed that the human will have done the update locally and fixed everything for it. And then push. The server then just does the update too, because, naturally, vendor is in .gitignore.
 
@SecondRikudo I read a lot of twitter links I get sent and I have stuff to say, I just don't :D
 
user895378
2:20 PM
I've actually found twitter to be a good way to network with other programmers. As long as you don't get drawn into pointless debates/arguments (like everything on the internet) it's a good tool.
 
@bwoebi Be prepared to be unpleasantly surprised: Doing composer update on separate machines doesn't guarantee anything about what versions are installed.
The lock file does guarantee that the same versions are installed.
 
everyone STAPH. my code is on the big screen, PM is testing it. I'm confident I left no bug ;D
 
@Danack even not with the same composer.json?
 
@SecondRikudo Not quite a dupe, but whatever. :-)
 
2:21 PM
Meh
It be closed. Mjolnir is faster.
 
@bwoebi Not really. It's not as bad as it used to be - before the replaces keyword made it so you couldn't even be sure you were getting the right package, as replaces operated across the whole of Packagist, so someone could do Symphony-1.2.3 replaces Symfony-1.2.3 and everyone trying to install Symfony got trojaned.
 
user895378
I'm not really familiar with SOCKS5 proxies. HTTP proxying is good enough for Artax, right? Anybody knowledgeable about SOCKS5?
 
But even now....it's just not guaranteed what the exact results are.
 
@Danack well… I'm anyway just using sane deps… That means only repos from rdlowrey.
 
user895378
yeah I've never actually used composer to install anything that wasn't written by people in this chat
 
2:27 PM
hehe
 
It would be completely unethical, but I almost want to collect stats from password_hash about passwords passed in (length mainly). #wonttho
 
Why not make it opt in? And anonymous.
Oh password_hash() as whole not just your own site.
 
user895378
Would now be a bad time to tell you guys that Artax periodically funnels all downloaded data back to my covert servers? ;)
 
@rdlowrey I have been pumping the most illegal and filthy pr0n to your covert servers for a while now. So yeah
 
user895378
2:31 PM
@PeeHaa \o/
 
:)
 
:D
 
Good morning.
 
user895378
@LeviMorrison morning
 
maaaan i made an awesome progress window (that you guys helped me with the math) and the deploy fella didn't deploy it properly so that awesome piece of --cra--software doesn't pop-up x)
... can't never remember how to strikeout :(
 
@ircmaxell By using password_hash() you implicitly agree to the following spyware terms and conditions.
 
10:35 <dcousineau> I feel like I should seriously draft an RFC to make the dramallama the official php internals logo
10:35 <dcousineau> ircmaxell: on a scale of 1-core of the sun, how much would you hate me?
10:36 <ircmaxell> dcousineau: to make the dramallama the internals logo? I'd hate you negative ammounts
 
What I actually hate in this work I have: the ammount of time I spend without to-do lists :|
It's my 2nd hour on a PM meeting I have nothing to do with but they insist to have the meeting in the working room and insist on not giving me work to do.
 
@dr4goonis here’s a quick mockup of the internals new logo http://t.co/IyWStCAeF9
 
I have no problem with that becoming the main php logo, I'm tired of the smiling elephant. The facial emotion on that one just screams "siriuz buziness"
 
2:42 PM
@PeeHaa How many times do we have to go through this. Pictures of steak do not count as porn.
 
it's not for the main PHP logo, just for internals
 
user895378
@DaveRandom Speak for yourself.
 
@ircmaxell i know, I know, though I was saying that I didn't have a problem if that became the main logo [my engrish might have failed there]
 
Man, who wouldn't be a proud member of the drama llamas! Love it!
 
user895378
I prefer the Acrimonious Alpacas.
 
2:44 PM
(senseless numbers without any idea how to test and why do that)
 
@rdlowrey Oh sorry, I didn't realise you were Texan.
 
user895378
@DaveRandom Close! I was born 5 miles west of the Texas border in New Mexico :)
 
Ahh. So you're the one hosting all those Cocaine and Steak parties I keep hearing about.
 
user895378
God that does sound pornographic.
 
actually it didnt ....
 
2:50 PM
@Jack I'm thinking of joining the internals just so I can rightfully use the logo :P
 
@rdlowrey BangBros Presents: Cocaine and Steak Guzzlers 7
 
user895378
Very excess. Much USA. So Wolf of Wall Street. Wow.
 
... PM is discussing in which order the Options should come in. Whattafucking useless change :|
(well, the more changes the more I work, still ... )
 
Where are the ludes?
 
all the young ludes
 
3:06 PM
@Gordon there's a mini-shitstorm in the JS room / The sandbox
Specifically speaking about zigi and rlemon
Could you come and calm things down a bit?
 
09:53 <travis-ci> [travis-ci] hippyvm/hippyvm@master: The build passed. (travis-ci.org/hippyvm/hippyvm/builds/30455725)
10:30 <travis-ci> [travis-ci] hippyvm/hippyvm@pypy_bridge: The build is still failing. (travis-ci.org/hippyvm/hippyvm/builds/30458677)
12:35 <travis-ci> [travis-ci] hippyvm/hippyvm@pypy_bridge: The build has errored. (travis-ci.org/hippyvm/hippyvm/builds/30469856)
17:08 <travis-ci> [travis-ci] hippyvm/hippyvm@pypy_bridge: The build failed. (travis-ci.org/hippyvm/hippyvm/builds/30494143)
yeah... way to keep stability!
 
JavaScript sucks.
@SecondRikudo Right time for this then?
in JavaScript :: typeof NaN, 18 secs ago, by Jimbo
JavaScript sucks.
 
@Ocramius Silly question but when I add a folder or anything to home/ or anywhere and exit the docker container, if I go back in it's gone. :(
 
1 message moved from JavaScript :: typeof NaN
 
3:17 PM
@rlemon Get out of here you heathen!
 
@Fabien yep
@Fabien if you need persistent data, then you need to read up on data containers
 
@Ocramius What about if I want to install php manually?
 
@Fabien use a dockerfile
so you have a snapshot of the container and you can deploy it in milliseconds :)
 
How does it not run this every time?
 
> So no, I'm not required to be able to lift objects weighing up to fifty pounds. I traded that for the opportunity to trim Satan's pubic hair while he dines out of my open skull so a few bits of the internet will continue to work for a few more days.
That rant is GENIUS
 
3:23 PM
Dear Travis: please stop emailing me when I have specifically told you not to. kthxbai
 
@Fabien containers are "committed" :)
@Fabien it's the amazeballs part of docker :D
 
@SecondRikudo I lol every time I read "Bro,1 you don't work hard. I just worked a 4700-hour week digging a tunnel under Mordor with a screwdriver."
 
@DanLugg :D
 
@Ocramius I don't get it yet :P that's my problem :P
 
@Fabien everything you installed and executed before runtime (including memory state) is diffed against the previous state and committed
it's like GIT, but against a VM :P
 
3:27 PM
@Danack I have finally found and fixed the issue with the hosts file - there were multiple logic errors, not just the ! issue
 
@DaveRandom yeah.....I have a spidey sense when it comes to bugs, that's why I didn't want to touch it.
 
user1642018
hi all, a quick question.
 
I have also added a few more test cases for it and the ANY_* convenience constants as mentioned last night. It's far from ideal but it will do for now
 
PHP.net user notes: Before and After
 
Morning
 
3:29 PM
Also I declared the constant vals as binary literals so it's easier to see what's going on
 
user1642018
do i have to use mysqli_real_escape_string and htmlentities just to display user searched query on html ? or just the htmlentities will work ? thanks
 
What would you do if you had pretty old computer (just 1 GB RAM, some pretty bad cpu)? Throwing one away is not an option, I have emotional feelings with it. :D
 
@LeviMorrison sorry to say, but IMHO it looks worse
are you designing it in bright sunlight ?
if ((int)method_exists($controller, $view)) { : stackoverflow.com/questions/24889212/…
 
@tereško A well-lit office.
 
3:32 PM
I'm actually with teresko, the older looked better
 
Eh, I agree that this section isn't as nice.
 
@ircmaxell kinda impressed by the auto-awesome stuff as well
@ircmaxell are you sure that it's not mechanical turk behind it? <_<
 
@Ocramius most of it is decent, but this I'm debating getting framed on canvas
 
This one is better though:
11 hours ago, by Levi Morrison
Here's where I'll end for tonight: PHP.net Before and After
 
Almost looks watercolour
 
3:34 PM
but being honest: As long as i can get my docs, even var_dumps are readable enough :)
 
Damnit why can't I moderate notes in the manual... again. I log in on master, it tells me I'm already logged in, and then it doesn't work. Every time.
 
@DaveRandom :(
Try incognito mode?
 
@LeviMorrison true dat
 
@LeviMorrison loving it
 
my "Team Leader" ('cos everyone seems to be a team leader at this project)
 
3:35 PM
@LeviMorrison any ideas what to do for the right list menu?
 
@LeviMorrison As usual, I refresh the page about 30 times and it suddenly works
 
just told me "but you can start desiging the table, right?" "yeah, which data will I recieve?! I can tots design a empty table -- you won't see nothing, but it'll be there" "Ok, do that" :|
 
I just had to delete edit that note you show in the screenies because it is complete bollocks
 
Google Auto-Awesomed a photo I took this weekend. And I am blown away by it: http://t.co/xxFml9P9JH
@ircmaxell how do you mean "auto-awesomed"? :o
 
@DaveRandom lol
@DaveRandom lol, I've done that a lot too.
 
3:38 PM
@bwoebi Google+ does image manipulation to improve all photos you upload by default.
It's called auto awesome
It also takes multiple sequential photos and aggregates them to a gif
 
@ircmaxell Move it to the left side and do something polymer-ish for it
 
@LeviMorrison lol
 
It's how I'm doing everything else, so... :D
 
@DaveRandom btw I noticed that there is currently some text output in the tests, which makes the little dots not look as good. Also you have a new PR adding a test to the response interpreter, I'm not 100% sure that it's actually using valid data, so apologies if it's not.
 
3:39 PM
@bwoebi basically, when you upload a photo to G+, Google will sometimes automatically try doing custom effects on it (all sorts of them).
 
@ircmaxell If you're going to start using processing on your photos, you should get lightroom and be able to do what is done.
 
@Danack which is why I didn't upload that to Flickr... And I have lightroom
and photoshop
and bridge
and the entire package
 
Oh, previously you said you were going to avoid processing photos.
 
@Danack I am
 
question:
Dear lazy web: would you use an ORM to manage a schema, even if the #ORM is not used at runtime? I would, but I’m lazy…
 
3:42 PM
what goes to flickr (and hence photos.ircmaxell.com) are completely unedited, and will be...
@Ocramius ORM? no. Schema builder (that may be used in an ORM), yes and have
 
@ircmaxell yeah, using the schema builder+mappings of an ORM because I can't be bothered in manually defining FKs/properties/associations
then acting on it with raw sql because of performance implications here
 
yeah, I do that mainly because I tend to version my schema, so raw SQL create/update can start to become a little bit of a PITA to generate...
 
liquibase handles it as well, but I'm not used to it >.<
 
sounds correct to me, but i'm not sure
awcrap I left javascript room :|
^^^^^ could a mod prune that? thanks.
 
@ircmaxell how did the original look like? Just to compare?
 
3:47 PM
@Ocramius Manage a schema as in migrations between schema versions?
 
@Charles no, just keep it in sync
the migrations are just a nice side-effects, but are not really needed
 
@Ocramius i use orm mappings to define and generate my schema so it gets silently versioned with the application
 
@ircmaxell could you prune that js mumbo jumbo? [its just 'cos its not even php-talk]
 
@SteveBuzonas yeah, that's what I'm getting too, it just seems that DDL became so irrelevant that I don't need committed SQL anymore :|
 
3:49 PM
@MoshMage what now?
 
right
 
@ircmaxell this, chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/17849119#17849119 - is it deletable from this chat?
('cos I can't anymore)
 
@ircmaxell I think the GA version is a bit too loose with the curves and color balances
 
@MoshMage it is, but it's not hurting anyone now, so I'm not too worried about it... not worth messing with IMHO
 
These changes need to be subtle, not overwhelmingly instagramish
 
3:51 PM
Working on a PHPRFC for a new internals logo, please check out my rough draft http://dcousineau.com/blog/2014/07/22/phprfc-internals-logo/ Comments will be ignored with prejudice
 
@ircmaxell marvelous! xSD
 
Not seen Joe today. Hopefully he's getting his house sorted :)
 
^^
 
@Danack Yeh CNAME is not something that can be specified there, which is another reason that enum needs a redesign. I was thinking about it last night, I can't figure out what the best approach is. CNAME is only used internally, it doesn't make sense (in the context of resolving names, at least) to say "give me a CNAME record", it's just that sometimes client says "give me an A/AAAA record" and the server says "oh hey! that's actually a CNAME, here's where you should go instead"
The reason it's there at all is to try and keep the libdns binding encapsulated, so that the RequestBuilder and the ResponseInterpreter are the only things tightly coupled to libdns
 
3:57 PM
Just committed code there's around 1k loc deleted. Results when Friday morning you are told that they want it to work differently
 
@DaveRandom Ok, so I think something weird is still happening. If you remove the cname block and do $interpreted = $responseInterpreter->interpret($response, AddressModes::INET6_ADDR);
 
Hence the lib needs a way to know that something is a CNAME without using the libdns const for it. I think I need to separate that enum out into at least 2, probably 3 things
 
in Sandbox, 2 hours ago, by zigi
@Jhawins if you talk to mod and they ban me, I will go to UN and tell them about this 1% discrimination you are applying to me as a citizen of EU!
 
Or maybe just create some regular constants
 
Doing list($type, $addr, $ttl) = $interpreted; gives:
.int(8)
string(18) "newswww.bbc.net.uk"
NULL
 
3:58 PM
@Danack lol yeh that's not right :-P
 
@DaveRandom It'd probably be worth doing a check of what the user has requested, and giving a clean exception if it's not acceptable.
 
@DanLugg Man, that's really something else.
 
which also works as 'code is the documentation'.
 
@Danack wut, that actually is the name in that packet
 

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